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Yurui Liu

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Mar 7, 2021, 4:52:03 AM3/7/21
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Hi,

I'm wondering if the addition of "together" can affect the choice of
the auxiliary verb in the following sentences in American and British
English:

a. My family always go/goes to church on Sunday.
b. My family always go/goes to church together on Sunday.

I'd appreciate your help.

Yurui Liu

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Mar 7, 2021, 4:53:15 AM3/7/21
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Yurui Liu 在 2021年3月7日 星期日下午5:52:03 [UTC+8] 的信中寫道:
> Hi,
>
> I'm wondering if the addition of "together" can affect the choice of
> the auxiliary verb in the following sentences in American and British
> English:

Oops, I shouldn't have used "auxiliary" in the above.

CDB

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Mar 7, 2021, 9:06:45 AM3/7/21
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The adverb "together" implies a plural subject, so I would say "go".
As you probably know, the use of a plural verb with a group noun is more
common in British English than in American.

--
CDB, speaking mostly Canadian English


Ken Blake

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Mar 7, 2021, 10:55:55 AM3/7/21
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On 3/7/2021 2:52 AM, Yurui Liu wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm wondering if the addition of "together" can affect the choice of
> the auxiliary verb in the following sentences in American and British
> English:



Not as far as I'm concerned. The subject of the sentence is "my family."
It's a singular subject and that requires "goes," not "go."


>
> a. My family always go/goes to church on Sunday.
> b. My family always go/goes to church together on Sunday.


If the sentence were ""All those in my family always...," it would have
a plural subject and the verb would be "go."

--
Ken

Yurui Liu

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Mar 7, 2021, 9:17:37 PM3/7/21
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Ken Blake 在 2021年3月7日 星期日下午11:55:55 [UTC+8] 的信中寫道:
> On 3/7/2021 2:52 AM, Yurui Liu wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm wondering if the addition of "together" can affect the choice of
> > the auxiliary verb in the following sentences in American and British
> > English:
> Not as far as I'm concerned. The subject of the sentence is "my family."
> It's a singular subject and that requires "goes," not "go."

Is the following okay then?

The army is returning to the base together.
(meaning: The members of the army are returning to the base together.)

Tony Cooper

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Mar 7, 2021, 11:22:11 PM3/7/21
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On Sun, 7 Mar 2021 18:17:35 -0800 (PST), Yurui Liu
<liuyur...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Ken Blake ? 2021?3?7? ?????11:55:55 [UTC+8] ??????
>> On 3/7/2021 2:52 AM, Yurui Liu wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I'm wondering if the addition of "together" can affect the choice of
>> > the auxiliary verb in the following sentences in American and British
>> > English:
>> Not as far as I'm concerned. The subject of the sentence is "my family."
>> It's a singular subject and that requires "goes," not "go."
>
>Is the following okay then?
>
>The army is returning to the base together.
>(meaning: The members of the army are returning to the base together.)
>
I understand that you are looking for gramatical structure, but your
sentence isn't believable as something anyone would say. An army
doesn't travel en masse.

Phrase it as: The family is returning to the hotel together.

That's a normal sentence describing that the entire family will be
traveling at the same time.
--

Tony Cooper Orlando Florida

Lewis

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Mar 8, 2021, 2:29:43 AM3/8/21
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I would say goes as family is a singular ("The family is well known," not
"the family are well know"; one family, two families).

OTOH, "The sisters go..."

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Lewis

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Mar 8, 2021, 2:32:53 AM3/8/21
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In message <a408cfb1-5ee7-4dbd...@googlegroups.com> Yurui Liu <liuyur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ken Blake 在 2021年3月7日 星期日下午11:55:55 [UTC+8] 的信中寫道:
>> On 3/7/2021 2:52 AM, Yurui Liu wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I'm wondering if the addition of "together" can affect the choice of
>> > the auxiliary verb in the following sentences in American and British
>> > English:
>> Not as far as I'm concerned. The subject of the sentence is "my family."
>> It's a singular subject and that requires "goes," not "go."

> Is the following okay then?

> The army is returning to the base together.

"together" is odd there, but not wrong. Standing alone with no
explanation (the Army was separated) it sounds odd, better is just "The
army is returning to base" and even better is "The 5th Army is returning
to base".

Armies are definitionally a unit unless it's quite clear they are not
for some reason. Similar, "The platoon is returning to base" and it
would be odd to add "together".

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Yurui Liu

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Mar 8, 2021, 3:07:31 AM3/8/21
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Lewis 在 2021年3月8日 星期一下午3:32:53 [UTC+8] 的信中寫道:
> In message <a408cfb1-5ee7-4dbd...@googlegroups.com> Yurui Liu <liuyur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Ken Blake 在 2021年3月7日 星期日下午11:55:55 [UTC+8] 的信中寫道:
> >> On 3/7/2021 2:52 AM, Yurui Liu wrote:
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > I'm wondering if the addition of "together" can affect the choice of
> >> > the auxiliary verb in the following sentences in American and British
> >> > English:
> >> Not as far as I'm concerned. The subject of the sentence is "my family."
> >> It's a singular subject and that requires "goes," not "go."
>
> > Is the following okay then?
>
> > The army is returning to the base together.
> "together" is odd there, but not wrong. Standing alone with no
> explanation (the Army was separated) it sounds odd, better is just "The
> army is returning to base" and even better is "The 5th Army is returning
> to base".
>
> Armies are definitionally a unit unless it's quite clear they are not
> for some reason. Similar, "The platoon is returning to base" and it
> would be odd to add "together".

Thank you.

Is "My family always goes to church together on Sunday" natural
to you, with "goes" and "together"?

Eric Walker

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Mar 8, 2021, 3:20:32 AM3/8/21
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On Mon, 08 Mar 2021 00:07:28 -0800, Yurui Liu wrote:

[...]

> Is "My family always goes to church together on Sunday" natural to you,
> with "goes" and "together"?

Yes. It is quite possible for all the members of your family to attend
church every Sunday without all of them going to the same service, so
"together" is not redundant.


--
Cordially,
Eric Walker

Ken Blake

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Mar 8, 2021, 9:52:40 AM3/8/21
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On 3/7/2021 7:17 PM, Yurui Liu wrote:
> Ken Blake 在 2021年3月7日 星期日下午11:55:55 [UTC+8] 的信中寫道:
>> On 3/7/2021 2:52 AM, Yurui Liu wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I'm wondering if the addition of "together" can affect the choice of
>> > the auxiliary verb in the following sentences in American and British
>> > English:
>> Not as far as I'm concerned. The subject of the sentence is "my family."
>> It's a singular subject and that requires "goes," not "go."
>
> Is the following okay then?
>
> The army is returning to the base together.

No. The singular verb "is returning" is fine, but not with the addition
of "together."


> (meaning: The members of the army are returning to the base together.)
>



That would be fine.


--
Ken

Lewis

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Mar 8, 2021, 1:17:20 PM3/8/21
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In message <d08fd0eb-6f7f-4a58...@googlegroups.com> Yurui Liu <liuyur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Lewis 在 2021年3月8日 星期一下午3:32:53 [UTC+8] 的信中寫道:
>> In message <a408cfb1-5ee7-4dbd...@googlegroups.com> Yurui Liu <liuyur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Ken Blake 在 2021年3月7日 星期日下午11:55:55 [UTC+8] 的信中寫道:
>> >> On 3/7/2021 2:52 AM, Yurui Liu wrote:
>> >> > Hi,
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm wondering if the addition of "together" can affect the choice of
>> >> > the auxiliary verb in the following sentences in American and British
>> >> > English:
>> >> Not as far as I'm concerned. The subject of the sentence is "my family."
>> >> It's a singular subject and that requires "goes," not "go."
>>
>> > Is the following okay then?
>>
>> > The army is returning to the base together.
>> "together" is odd there, but not wrong. Standing alone with no
>> explanation (the Army was separated) it sounds odd, better is just "The
>> army is returning to base" and even better is "The 5th Army is returning
>> to base".
>>
>> Armies are definitionally a unit unless it's quite clear they are not
>> for some reason. Similar, "The platoon is returning to base" and it
>> would be odd to add "together".

> Thank you.

> Is "My family always goes to church together on Sunday" natural
> to you, with "goes" and "together"?

I would only use "together" if there was a need to explicitly state that
we traveled and attended as a group.

I also would not say "Sunday" under normal circumstances.

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Snidely

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Mar 9, 2021, 2:00:43 AM3/9/21
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CDB explained :
FWIW
I stick with "goes", but I'd move "together" together with the verb.

B'. My family always goes together to church on Sunday.

/dps

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