Re: Paper Handkerchiefs

[Lewis]

In message <paper-2022...@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> Stefan Ram <r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
> I can't separate language and culture, because to name a thing, I need
> to first know what this thing is. So, please allow me to quote the
> World-Wide Web:

>|In America, facial tissues are mostly sold in boxes,
>|while the favorite form in Germany (and France) is in
>|pocket-sized packs with 10 folded tissues each.

I have no idea how many kleenex are in those packets, but they are very
common in the US.

> Eventually I might ask how the German tissues are called in English,
> but to be able to ask this question I need to get across what I am
> talking about. Therefore, let me ask this question first:

> When you in the US are going to the movies and might need one or two
> facial tissues on the road, do you take that large box with you? Or do
> you take individual tissues out of the box and carry them with you? Or
> what else do you do?

My wife takes a small pack of kleenex in her jacket pocket. If she
doesn't have one of the small packs, she will stuff a few individual
kleenex in her pocket instead.

I don't think I've ever heard a real person say "facial tissue" and
"tissue" is rare. They are called 'kleenex'.

Kleenex will argue that 'Kleenex" is not generic and is their trademark,
but that is certainly not how it is used by anyone I've run into.

--
"You can think and you can fight, but the world's always movin', and
if you wanna stay ahead you gotta dance."

[bil...@shaw.ca]

On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 12:20:23 AM UTC-7, Lewis wrote:
>
> My wife takes a small pack of kleenex in her jacket pocket. If she
> doesn't have one of the small packs, she will stuff a few individual
> kleenex in her pocket instead.
>
> I don't think I've ever heard a real person say "facial tissue" and
> "tissue" is rare. They are called 'kleenex'.
>
> Kleenex will argue that 'Kleenex" is not generic and is their trademark,
> but that is certainly not how it is used by anyone I've run into.
>

I use it as if it was the generic, and so do most people I know. The Kleenex
people may have some legal position to protect, but that's no concern of mine.

bill

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

On 2022-03-18 07:20:17 +0000, Lewis said:

> In message <paper-2022...@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> Stefan Ram
> <r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
>>

>> [ … ]

>>
>> Eventually I might ask how the German tissues are called in English,
>> but to be able to ask this question I need to get across what I am
>> talking about. Therefore, let me ask this question first:
>
>> When you in the US are going to the movies and might need one or two
>> facial tissues on the road, do you take that large box with you? Or do
>> you take individual tissues out of the box and carry them with you? Or
>> what else do you do?
>
> My wife takes a small pack of kleenex in her jacket pocket. If she
> doesn't have one of the small packs, she will stuff a few individual
> kleenex in her pocket instead.
>
> I don't think I've ever heard a real person say "facial tissue" and
> "tissue" is rare.

Me neither

> They are called 'kleenex'.

Yes

>
> Kleenex will argue that 'Kleenex" is not generic and is their trademark,
> but that is certainly not how it is used by anyone I've run into.

Likewise


--
Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.

[J. J. Lodder]

Lewis <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

> In message <paper-2022...@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> Stefan Ram:

> > I can't separate language and culture, because to name a thing, I need
> > to first know what this thing is. So, please allow me to quote the
> > World-Wide Web:
>
> >|In America, facial tissues are mostly sold in boxes,
> >|while the favorite form in Germany (and France) is in
> >|pocket-sized packs with 10 folded tissues each.
>
> I have no idea how many kleenex are in those packets, but they are very
> common in the US.
>
> > Eventually I might ask how the German tissues are called in English,
> > but to be able to ask this question I need to get across what I am
> > talking about. Therefore, let me ask this question first:
>
> > When you in the US are going to the movies and might need one or two
> > facial tissues on the road, do you take that large box with you? Or do
> > you take individual tissues out of the box and carry them with you? Or
> > what else do you do?
>
> My wife takes a small pack of kleenex in her jacket pocket. If she
> doesn't have one of the small packs, she will stuff a few individual
> kleenex in her pocket instead.
>
> I don't think I've ever heard a real person say "facial tissue" and
> "tissue" is rare. They are called 'kleenex'.
>
> Kleenex will argue that 'Kleenex" is not generic and is their trademark,
> but that is certainly not how it is used by anyone I've run into.

In these parts of the world that never happened.
Just 'tissue/tissues'.
The brand does exist, but it never gained enough market dominance,

Jan

[Quinn C]

* Lewis:

> I don't think I've ever heard a real person say "facial tissue" and
> "tissue" is rare. They are called 'kleenex'.

I don't want to pre-empt Stefan on that, but Germans also don't think of
them as "facial tissues", unless "facial" mainly refers to the nose.

--
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that
good men do nothing.
-- Edmund Burke

[Quinn C]

* J. J. Lodder:

> Lewis <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>> I don't think I've ever heard a real person say "facial tissue" and
>> "tissue" is rare. They are called 'kleenex'.
>>
>> Kleenex will argue that 'Kleenex" is not generic and is their trademark,
>> but that is certainly not how it is used by anyone I've run into.
>
> In these parts of the world that never happened.
> Just 'tissue/tissues'.
> The brand does exist, but it never gained enough market dominance,

In Germany, the "Tempo" brand name has a lot of currency as generic
term.

--
George: You don't know these people. They find emotions disgusting.
They just want to have a good time and make jokes.
Mae: Oh, so they're British?
-- Feel Good

[Quinn C]

* bil...@shaw.ca:

It has happened to me that I asked for a tissue, and wasn't understood,
so I had to add "Kleenex". This might be exacerbated by bilinguality,
with Kleenex being the easy bilingual word.

--
I don't see people ... as having a right to be idiots. It's
just impractical to try to stop them, unless they're hurting
somebody. -- Vicereine Cordelia
in L. McMaster Bujold, Gentleman Jole and the Red Queen

[CDB]

On 3/18/2022 1:16 AM, Stefan Ram wrote:

> I can't separate language and culture, because to name a thing, I
> need to first know what this thing is. So, please allow me to quote
> the World-Wide Web:

> |In America, facial tissues are mostly sold in boxes, |while the
> favorite form in Germany (and France) is in |pocket-sized packs with

> 10 folded tissues each. From the World-Wide Web.

> . Eventually I might ask how the German tissues are called in
> English, but to be able to ask this question I need to get across
> what I am talking about. Therefore, let me ask this question first:

> When you in the US are going to the movies and might need one or two
> facial tissues on the road, do you take that large box with you? Or
> do you take individual tissues out of the box and carry them with
> you? Or what else do you do?

I carry several paper towels, neatly folded, in my hip pocket. They are
more durable and versatile than (generic) kleenex.

At work, I usually had a pocket-pack of Kleenex (the branded product) in
my shirt pocket.

[Tony Cooper]

On 18 Mar 2022 05:16:49 GMT, r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)

wrote:

> I can't separate language and culture, because to name a
> thing, I need to first know what this thing is. So, please
> allow me to quote the World-Wide Web:
>
>|In America, facial tissues are mostly sold in boxes,
>|while the favorite form in Germany (and France) is in
>|pocket-sized packs with 10 folded tissues each.
>From the World-Wide Web.
>
> . Eventually I might ask how the German tissues are called
> in English, but to be able to ask this question I need to
> get across what I am talking about. Therefore, let me ask
> this question first:
>
> When you in the US are going to the movies and might need
> one or two facial tissues on the road, do you take that
> large box with you? Or do you take individual tissues out of
> the box and carry them with you? Or what else do you do?
>

Packages of facial tissues that are about the size of a deck of cards
are sold in any store that carries this type of product.

--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

[Peter T. Daniels]

> In message <paper-2022...@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> Stefan Ram <r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:

> >|In America, facial tissues are mostly sold in boxes,
> >|while the favorite form in Germany (and France) is in
> >|pocket-sized packs with 10 folded tissues each.

> > When you in the US are going to the movies and might need one or two
> > facial tissues on the road, do you take that large box with you? Or do
> > you take individual tissues out of the box and carry them with you? Or
> > what else do you do?

Where did you get the idea that such packs are not used in the US?

Do Germans really have to keep stacks of little packs in their bedroom,
bathroom, and other places where Kleenex are routinely used, often
needing more than one at a time?

[Jerry Friedman]

However, I hear "tissue" much more than "Kleenex" for these things, even,
I think, from people who aren't talking to me, so they aren't catering to any
reputation for pedantry that I might inexplicably have.

--
Jerry Friedman

[Quinn C]

* Peter T. Daniels:

I hinted at that in my former post, but Germans actually distinguish
between "paper handkerchiefs" on the one hand, which normally come in
those 10-packs, and whose main job is understood to be blowing your nose
into, and cosmetic tissues and (dry) baby wipes on the other, which come
in boxes like the American Kleenex.

After getting used to the boxes in Japan, back in Germany I took to
using the baby wipes at home (which we bought for the baby anyway); they
were a bit bigger and stronger than cosmetic tissue at the same price,
and quite adequate in 2-ply. Most of the "handkerchief" tissues in
Germany are 4-ply, which I now see as wasteful. My Japanese girlfriend
used to pull them apart to make two 2-ply ones.

--
CW: Historical misogyny
Jbzna vf n cnve bs binevrf jvgu n uhzna orvat nggnpurq, jurernf
zna vf n uhzna orvat sheavfurq jvgu n cnve bs grfgrf.
-- Rudolf Virchow

[Ken Blake]

On 18 Mar 2022 05:16:49 GMT, r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
wrote:

> I can't separate language and culture, because to name a
> thing, I need to first know what this thing is. So, please
> allow me to quote the World-Wide Web:
>

>|In America, facial tissues are mostly sold in boxes,
>|while the favorite form in Germany (and France) is in
>|pocket-sized packs with 10 folded tissues each.

>From the World-Wide Web.
>
> . Eventually I might ask how the German tissues are called

> in English, but to be able to ask this question I need to

They are usually called "kleenex". "Kleenex is a brand name, but it's
what most AmE speakers call it, regardless of what brand it is.

> get across what I am talking about. Therefore, let me ask
> this question first:
>

> When you in the US are going to the movies and might need
> one or two facial tissues on the road, do you take that
> large box with you? Or do you take individual tissues out of
> the box and carry them with you? Or what else do you do?

I usually put a few in my pocket, but my wife always has a box in the
car.

--
The real, original Ken Blake, not some other newcomer

[Jerry Friedman]

On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 11:43:55 AM UTC-6, Ken Blake wrote:
> On 18 Mar 2022 05:16:49 GMT, r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
> wrote:

...

> > When you in the US are going to the movies and might need
> > one or two facial tissues on the road, do you take that
> > large box with you? Or do you take individual tissues out of
> > the box and carry them with you? Or what else do you do?

> I usually put a few in my pocket, but my wife always has a box in the
> car.

So do I, in the console, in case anybody needs to be consoled.

--
Jerry Friedman

[Sam Plusnet]

Same here, but those are an expensive way of buying tissues - if the
portability factor isn't your prime consideration.

--
Sam Plusnet

[Mark Brader]

Stefan Ram:
> I have to admit that paper tissues in a cardboard box seem
> to be plastic free, which seems to be better for the environment!

Not so. These are the ones I buy:

http://www.kleenex.com/-/media/images/kleenex/flamingo--packaging-rollover/trustedcare/50091-02_kft_flamingo2_ml_flat_144ct_evans_1_365x424.png

Note the bit of clear plastic around the tissue. That enables it to
stand up so you can pull it out without touching any others in the box,
as you'd have to with some other brands -- a significant convenience
if your hands are unclean.

The tissues are folded so that pulling one out lifts the next one up.
Or as someone said: "If there is no God, who pulls up the next Kleenex?"
--
Mark Brader | I remember singing "God Save the Queen" every morning...
Toronto | "Long live our noble Queen!" ... I guess it worked.
m...@vex.net | She's still alive. --Rick Moranis, 2009

My text in this article is in the public domain.

[Peter Moylan]

I hear "tissue" most often, and "kleenex" rarely. I haven't checked
lately which brands are most represented on the shelves, so it's
possible that kleenices are no longer dominant on the market here.

I remember some radio advertising saying "Don't say a-tishoo, say a
Scotties". That seems to have backfired, though, because some people
started calling them Snotties.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

[Peter Moylan]

On 19/03/22 05:54, Stefan Ram wrote:

> BTW: Other things that I routinely buy or use which might
> not exist in all other countries are
>
> - "Frühstücksbeutel" - bags made of a thin plastic film
> with the dimensions of 18 × 28 cm, 120 pieces on a roll.
> Ostensibly for packing breakfast, I use them for all sorts
> of things,

I call those garbage bags, but the supermarket calls them kitchen tidy bags.

We also have food storage bags, not on a roll but in a box, in several
different sizes. They usually have some sort of zipper arrangement for
sealing them. Originally designed for sandwiches, but now people used
them for a whole variety of purposes.

> - Wholemeal bread the German style, and

The bread will change every time you change countries. Each country has
its own traditions and preferences, and bread-making is one area that's
managed to hold out against the uniformity of the supermarkets.

> - Terry cloth washcloths.

Still readily available here, I believe. (What's the alternative?) I use
a French-style gant de toilette, which once wasn't obtainable here but
has since become more common.

[CDB]

On 3/18/2022 5:35 PM, Mark Brader wrote:
> Stefan Ram:

>> I have to admit that paper tissues in a cardboard box seem to be
>> plastic free, which seems to be better for the environment!

> Not so. These are the ones I buy:

> http://www.kleenex.com/-/media/images/kleenex/flamingo--packaging-rollover/trustedcare/50091-02_kft_flamingo2_ml_flat_144ct_evans_1_365x424.png

>
>
Note the bit of clear plastic around the tissue. That enables it to
> stand up so you can pull it out without touching any others in the
> box, as you'd have to with some other brands -- a significant
> convenience if your hands are unclean.

I remember Kleenex boxes that performed the same way with cardboard
slots. No doubt the plastic liner is more durable, and well worth a few
dead sea turtles.

[CDB]

On 3/18/2022 11:50 AM, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:

It is often the word used in advertisements, except those for Kleenex;
monkey hear, monkey say.

There is a kind that comes on a roll, which I am not too proud to nose
into when in the room it inhabits.

--
Freshly peeled, of course.

[CDB]

On 3/18/2022 12:50 PM, Quinn C wrote:
> * Peter T. Daniels:

>>> Stefan Ram <r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:

>>>> |In America, facial tissues are mostly sold in boxes, |while
>>>> the favorite form in Germany (and France) is in |pocket-sized
>>>> packs with 10 folded tissues each. When you in the US are going
>>>> to the movies and might need one or two facial tissues on the
>>>> road, do you take that large box with you? Or do you take
>>>> individual tissues out of the box and carry them with you? Or
>>>> what else do you do?

>> Where did you get the idea that such packs are not used in the US?

>> Do Germans really have to keep stacks of little packs in their
>> bedroom, bathroom, and other places where Kleenex are routinely
>> used, often needing more than one at a time?

> I hinted at that in my former post, but Germans actually distinguish
> between "paper handkerchiefs" on the one hand, which normally come
> in those 10-packs, and whose main job is understood to be blowing
> your nose into, and cosmetic tissues and (dry) baby wipes on the
> other, which come in boxes like the American Kleenex.

> After getting used to the boxes in Japan, back in Germany I took to
> using the baby wipes at home (which we bought for the baby anyway);
> they were a bit bigger and stronger than cosmetic tissue at the same
> price, and quite adequate in 2-ply. Most of the "handkerchief"
> tissues in Germany are 4-ply, which I now see as wasteful. My
> Japanese girlfriend used to pull them apart to make two 2-ply ones.

They are a prime ingredient of fatbergs and other municipal
constipators. The city pleads with us here not to put those wipes down
the loo.

[Lewis]

My wife buys kleenex, but I don;t think she buys Kleenex. IIRC she buys
"Puffs" which I think is a separate brand.

--
'An appointment is an engagement to see someone, while a morningstar
is a large lump of metal used for viciously crushing skulls. It
is important not to confuse the two.'

[Jerry Friedman]

...

That last is also the explanation for why people call it Kleenex.

--
Jerry Friedman

[Quinn C]

* Peter Moylan:

> On 19/03/22 05:54, Stefan Ram wrote:
>
>> BTW: Other things that I routinely buy or use which might
>> not exist in all other countries are

>> [...]

>> - Terry cloth washcloths.
>
> Still readily available here, I believe. (What's the alternative?) I use
> a French-style gant de toilette, which once wasn't obtainable here but
> has since become more common.

I was taught almost 40 years ago that those are party spots for bacteria
and replaced them with - nothing. Hands.

--
Bring home one dismembered body part, once, mind you, once,
and people get twitchy about checking your luggage ever after.

[Peter Duncanson [BrE]]

On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 08:44:54 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
<acor...@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:

>On 2022-03-18 07:20:17 +0000, Lewis said:
>
>> In message <paper-2022...@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> Stefan Ram
>> <r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
>>>
>>> [ … ]
>
>>>
>>> Eventually I might ask how the German tissues are called in English,
>>> but to be able to ask this question I need to get across what I am
>>> talking about. Therefore, let me ask this question first:
>>
>>> When you in the US are going to the movies and might need one or two
>>> facial tissues on the road, do you take that large box with you? Or do
>>> you take individual tissues out of the box and carry them with you? Or
>>> what else do you do?
>>
>> My wife takes a small pack of kleenex in her jacket pocket. If she
>> doesn't have one of the small packs, she will stuff a few individual
>> kleenex in her pocket instead.
>>
>> I don't think I've ever heard a real person say "facial tissue" and
>> "tissue" is rare.
>
>Me neither

I would understand "facial tissue" to mean the substance of the face -
skin, etc.

>
>> They are called 'kleenex'.
>
>Yes
>>
>> Kleenex will argue that 'Kleenex" is not generic and is their trademark,
>> but that is certainly not how it is used by anyone I've run into.
>
>Likewise

--

Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)

[Quinn C]

* CDB:

I think you're talking about wet wipes. I didn't use wet wipes for
blowing my nose. And if we used those (dry) wipes for the baby's butt,
they went into the box with the diapers.

I never put anything down the loo other than toilet paper and liquids.
In Germany, I was instructed by the city not to flush food leftovers, so
I avoid that, too (for the solids), although it may not be a big issue
here, depending on the system.

--
... while there are people who are consecrated, chronic
assholes--like Donald Trump for example, or General Patton--
it's a condition that all of us are liable to.
-- Geoffrey Nunberg, 2012 interview

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

On the shopping list my wife prepared for the supermarket this
afternoon she called them "paper handkerchiefs" (without any prompting
from me).

The ones we buy are Lotus, not Kleenex, but I don't think anyone calls
them "Lotus".

[CDB]

On 3/19/2022 10:24 AM, Jerry Friedman wrote:

> That last is also the explanation for why people call it Kleenex.

Of course. It's a corollary to the Universal Rule of Human Behaviour.

[Ken Blake]

I'm not sure whether they are dominant on the market here in the US
either, but they are still very commonly that.

>I remember some radio advertising saying "Don't say a-tishoo,

That brings up a question. How is "tissue" pronounced in AusE? Do you
say TISH-oo? I say TISH-you.

> say a
>Scotties". That seems to have backfired, though, because some people
>started calling them Snotties.

--

[occam]

'Andrex' in the UK. Again, the influence of advertising is significant
here. Clearly a name chosen to sound like Kleenex.

[Ken Blake]

I buy Costco's brand. Kirkland? I'm not sure what it's called.

[Ken Blake]

On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 12:02:03 +1100, Peter Moylan
<pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:

>On 19/03/22 05:54, Stefan Ram wrote:
>
>> BTW: Other things that I routinely buy or use which might
>> not exist in all other countries are
>>
>> - "Frühstücksbeutel" - bags made of a thin plastic film
>> with the dimensions of 18 × 28 cm, 120 pieces on a roll.
>> Ostensibly for packing breakfast, I use them for all sorts
>> of things,
>
>I call those garbage bags, but the supermarket calls them kitchen tidy bags.
>
>We also have food storage bags, not on a roll but in a box, in several
>different sizes. They usually have some sort of zipper arrangement for
>sealing them. Originally designed for sandwiches, but now people used
>them for a whole variety of purposes.

We use those here too. Our main use for them is when I buy large
packages of meat: for example if I buy a package of four pork chops,
I'll cook two and freeze the other two in one of those bags.

[lar3ryca]

On 2022-03-19 09:13, Quinn C wrote:
> * CDB:
>> On 3/18/2022 12:50 PM, Quinn C wrote:
>>
>> They are a prime ingredient of fatbergs and other municipal
>> constipators. The city pleads with us here not to put those wipes down
>> the loo.
>
> I think you're talking about wet wipes. I didn't use wet wipes for
> blowing my nose. And if we used those (dry) wipes for the baby's butt,
> they went into the box with the diapers.

They are basically speaking of any 'wipes' other than toilet paper
Kleenex (regardless of brand), or wipes specifically labelled as
'flushable', do not have the same characteristics as toilet paper, and
have the unfortunate ability to last for a long time after being snagged
on something in the waste pipe.

[Ken Blake]

Really? What do you do with your shit?

>In Germany, I was instructed by the city not to flush food leftovers, so
>I avoid that, too (for the solids), although it may not be a big issue
>here, depending on the system.

--

[Quinn C]

* Ken Blake:

Unexpected! I'd expect either "Tiss-you" or "Tishoo", just as with the
rhyming word "issue".

--
The seeds of new thought, sown in a ground that isn't prepared
to receive them, don't bear fruit.
-- Hedwig Dohm (1874), my translation

[Quinn C]

* Ken Blake:

Touché! Or rather the opposite: I was only thinking about things I put
in the toilet using my hands.

--
Well, if that isn't the Quacta calling the Stifling slimy.
-- Boba Fett

[Ken Blake]

On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 13:06:00 -0400, Quinn C

Yes, I assumed that. I was just teasing you.

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 1:05:04 PM UTC-4, Quinn C wrote:
> * Ken Blake:

> > That brings up a question. How is "tissue" pronounced in AusE? Do you
> > say TISH-oo? I say TISH-you.
>
> Unexpected! I'd expect either "Tiss-you" or "Tishoo", just as with the
> rhyming word "issue".

Of course -- (T)ISH-you. (T)ISS-you is prissy/British.

[Quinn C]

Sure. But you caught me in an erroneous statement and made me think how
it came about.

I like precision.

--
Quinn C
My pronouns are they/them
(or other gender-neutral ones)

[Sam Plusnet]

??
If someone mentioned "Andrex", I would assume they were talking about
toilet paper - not paper handkerchiefs.

If someone asked for "a Kleenex" they would be understood, but "a
tissue" would be far more common (in my experience).


--
Sam Plusnet

[Quinn C]

* Peter T. Daniels:

But I've never noticed a glide after the [S] sound. I've always assumed
that s + glide is merged into [S].

AHD supports the existence of your and Ken's version, but M-W doesn't
(and neither do Collins or Oxford online.)

Not that that proves anything about English, but "syu" and "shu" are the
two common transcriptions for the same Japanese syllable, spoken [Su],
written SHIyu in Japanese. It feels natural to me that a glide would be
lost after [S]. Is there a language that regularly has that combination?

--
Democracy means government by the uneducated,
while aristocracy means government by the badly educated.
-- G. K. Chesterton

[Sam Plusnet]

On 19-Mar-22 15:06, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 08:44:54 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
> <acor...@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-03-18 07:20:17 +0000, Lewis said:
>>
>>> In message <paper-2022...@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> Stefan Ram
>>> <r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [ … ]
>>
>>>>
>>>> Eventually I might ask how the German tissues are called in English,
>>>> but to be able to ask this question I need to get across what I am
>>>> talking about. Therefore, let me ask this question first:
>>>
>>>> When you in the US are going to the movies and might need one or two
>>>> facial tissues on the road, do you take that large box with you? Or do
>>>> you take individual tissues out of the box and carry them with you? Or
>>>> what else do you do?
>>>
>>> My wife takes a small pack of kleenex in her jacket pocket. If she
>>> doesn't have one of the small packs, she will stuff a few individual
>>> kleenex in her pocket instead.
>>>
>>> I don't think I've ever heard a real person say "facial tissue" and
>>> "tissue" is rare.
>>
>> Me neither
>
> I would understand "facial tissue" to mean the substance of the face -
> skin, etc.

I think the use of "facial tissue" is intended to distinguish it from
"bum fodder".
As you know, paperwork was (and for all I know, still is) called "Bumf"
in the British Military.

--
Sam Plusnet

[Sam Plusnet]

On 19-Mar-22 12:25, CDB wrote:
> On 3/18/2022 5:35 PM, Mark Brader wrote:
>> Stefan Ram:
>
>>> I have to admit that paper tissues in a cardboard box seem to be
>>> plastic free, which seems to be better for the environment!
>
>> Not so.  These are the ones I buy:
>
>> http://www.kleenex.com/-/media/images/kleenex/flamingo--packaging-rollover/trustedcare/50091-02_kft_flamingo2_ml_flat_144ct_evans_1_365x424.png
>>
>
>>
>>
> Note the bit of clear plastic around the tissue.  That enables it to
>> stand up so you can pull it out without touching any others in the
>> box, as you'd have to with some other brands -- a significant
>> convenience if your hands are unclean.
>
> I remember Kleenex boxes that performed the same way with cardboard
> slots. No doubt the plastic liner is more durable, and well worth a few
> dead sea turtles.

There are turtles in the Dead Sea?


--
Sam Plusnet

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 3:26:52 PM UTC-4, Quinn C wrote:
> * Peter T. Daniels:
> > On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 1:05:04 PM UTC-4, Quinn C wrote:
> >> * Ken Blake:

> >>> That brings up a question. How is "tissue" pronounced in AusE? Do you
> >>> say TISH-oo? I say TISH-you.
> >> Unexpected! I'd expect either "Tiss-you" or "Tishoo", just as with the
> >> rhyming word "issue".
> >
> > Of course -- (T)ISH-you. (T)ISS-you is prissy/British.
>
> But I've never noticed a glide after the [S] sound. I've always assumed
> that s + glide is merged into [S].
>
> AHD supports the existence of your and Ken's version, but M-W doesn't
> (and neither do Collins or Oxford online.)

I wonder if it's a NY thing!

https://forvo.com/word/tissue/

Perhaps not. I hear [j] ("y") in every example, and the only one that's clearly
[s] and not [S] is hugor.

> Not that that proves anything about English, but "syu" and "shu" are the
> two common transcriptions for the same Japanese syllable, spoken [Su],
> written SHIyu in Japanese. It feels natural to me that a glide would be
> lost after [S]. Is there a language that regularly has that combination?

Yes. English.

[Peter Moylan]

Australians who are fussy about careful pronunciation might say tis-you,
but for most people the sy combination usually collapses to sh.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

[Peter Moylan]

On 19/03/22 23:32, CDB wrote:
> On 3/18/2022 11:50 AM, Jerry Friedman wrote:

>> However, I hear "tissue" much more than "Kleenex" for these
>> things, even, I think, from people who aren't talking to me, so
>> they aren't catering to any reputation for pedantry that I might
>> inexplicably have.
>

> It is often the word used in advertisements, except those for
> Kleenex; monkey hear, monkey say.
>

> There is a kind that comes on a roll, which I am not too proud to
> nose into when in the room it inhabits.

I recently heard a comedian talking of people who blow their noses on
toilet paper. He imagined the paper that was still on the roll
commenting on it. "Did you see that? He got off easy."

[Quinn C]

* Peter T. Daniels:

> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 3:26:52 PM UTC-4, Quinn C wrote:
>> * Peter T. Daniels:
>>> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 1:05:04 PM UTC-4, Quinn C wrote:
>>>> * Ken Blake:
>
>>>>> That brings up a question. How is "tissue" pronounced in AusE? Do you
>>>>> say TISH-oo? I say TISH-you.
>>>> Unexpected! I'd expect either "Tiss-you" or "Tishoo", just as with the
>>>> rhyming word "issue".
>>>
>>> Of course -- (T)ISH-you. (T)ISS-you is prissy/British.
>>
>> But I've never noticed a glide after the [S] sound. I've always assumed
>> that s + glide is merged into [S].
>>
>> AHD supports the existence of your and Ken's version, but M-W doesn't
>> (and neither do Collins or Oxford online.)
>
> I wonder if it's a NY thing!
>
> https://forvo.com/word/tissue/
>
> Perhaps not. I hear [j] ("y") in every example, and the only one that's clearly
> [s] and not [S] is hugor.

TopQuark, too. On my laptop speakers, it sounded a little hissy, so I
couldn't say for sure, but with headphones, a clear [s]. x_WoofyWoo_x
does a strange middle thing like tis-shoo.

mighthymouse, EricaHeath and Alyssandra have no glide for my ears, only
thenthattempt does. I suspect you hear it because you expect it, or
there is some border effect that you interpret as a glide and I don't.

>> Not that that proves anything about English, but "syu" and "shu" are the
>> two common transcriptions for the same Japanese syllable, spoken [Su],
>> written SHIyu in Japanese. It feels natural to me that a glide would be
>> lost after [S]. Is there a language that regularly has that combination?
>
> Yes. English.

[Peter Moylan]

On 20/03/22 02:35, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:

[tissues]

> On the shopping list my wife prepared for the supermarket this
> afternoon she called them "paper handkerchiefs" (without any
> prompting from me).

I sometimes use "paper handkerchiefs" for the ones that come in small
packs, because they're thicker and sturdier than the ones in a box.

[CDB]

On 3/19/2022 11:13 AM, Quinn C wrote:
> * CDB:

Good ma^W person!

I should probably explain that "Good man!" was an AUE trope back in the day.

[CDB]

On 3/19/2022 3:33 PM, Sam Plusnet wrote:

Dead ones, maybe. Well preserved. Vacationing kiddies could ride on them.

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 6:23:10 PM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 20/03/22 02:35, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>
> [tissues]
> > On the shopping list my wife prepared for the supermarket this
> > afternoon she called them "paper handkerchiefs" (without any
> > prompting from me).
>
> I sometimes use "paper handkerchiefs" for the ones that come in small
> packs, because they're thicker and sturdier than the ones in a box.

I wish. At some point between buying my last megapack of boxes
and the next one, the size and weight decreased. All brands are
now the same too-small size and may even be flushable, they're
so permeable by the "condensation" that occupies my nose when
I change from one environmental temperature to another.

[Quinn C]

* CDB:

And was it ever applied to Sara, Laura, Helen or one of the Katys?

[Jack]

On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 00:28:33 -0700 (PDT), "bil...@shaw.ca"
<bil...@shaw.ca> wrote:

>On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 12:20:23 AM UTC-7, Lewis wrote:
>>
>> My wife takes a small pack of kleenex in her jacket pocket. If she
>> doesn't have one of the small packs, she will stuff a few individual
>> kleenex in her pocket instead.
>>
>> I don't think I've ever heard a real person say "facial tissue" and

>> "tissue" is rare. They are called 'kleenex'.

>>
>> Kleenex will argue that 'Kleenex" is not generic and is their trademark,
>> but that is certainly not how it is used by anyone I've run into.
>>

>I use it as if it was the generic, and so do most people I know. The Kleenex
>people may have some legal position to protect, but that's no concern of mine.

If they can keep other sellers from using "kleenex", it sounds like an
advantage to them if it's used as a generic name.

--
Jack

[Tony Cooper]

It's a mixed bag for the brand-owners. The more their product's name
is used, the more their brand is considered to be the product of
choice. However, they don't want to lose control of their brand
identification and see buyers purchase other products thinking they
are buying the product of choice.

They don't want to see a person buy a box of "Puffs" thinking they
have bought a box of Kleenex.

--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

[charles]

In article <j9ug3hlp13tfftd2g...@4ax.com>,

> Similarly any roadworks will often mean a road closure though advertised
> beforehand though often using unrecognisble place names or a small
> trailer mounter VMS which has too much text to be able read without
> stopping but often placed where there is nowhere to stop.


In the UK, 'Hoover' has become genereic for Vaccuum clearer.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

[CDB]

I don't recall that it was, but that's not proof of anything.

[Ken Blake]

On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 09:29:06 -0400, Tony Cooper
<tonyco...@gmail.com> wrote:


>It's a mixed bag for the brand-owners. The more their product's name
>is used, the more their brand is considered to be the product of
>choice. However, they don't want to lose control of their brand
>identification and see buyers purchase other products thinking they
>are buying the product of choice.
>
>They don't want to see a person buy a box of "Puffs" thinking they
>have bought a box of Kleenex.

They also don't want anyone to buy a mixed bag that's half Kleenex and
half Puffs.

[Sam Plusnet]

On 21-Mar-22 13:29, Tony Cooper wrote:

> It's a mixed bag for the brand-owners. The more their product's name
> is used, the more their brand is considered to be the product of
> choice. However, they don't want to lose control of their brand
> identification and see buyers purchase other products thinking they
> are buying the product of choice.
>
> They don't want to see a person buy a box of "Puffs" thinking they
> have bought a box of Kleenex.

Which reminds me of asking for "Coke", and being given that rehearsed
spiel about them selling Pepsi.



--
Sam Plusnet

[Joy Beeson]

On 18 Mar 2022 05:16:49 GMT, r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
wrote:

> When you in the US are going to the movies and might need
> one or two facial tissues on the road, do you take that
> large box with you? Or do you take individual tissues out of
> the box and carry them with you? Or what else do you do?

There's a small packet of tissues in my go bag (attache' case kept
ready for medical appointments).

It's been the same packet for years; I carry folded half-size paper
towels in my pockets, and don't often forget.

I used to carry the cheapest table napkins, but one winter day I was
in a hurry and grabbed paper towels, and discovered that I can find a
paper towel with gloves on.

Since then, we've also switched to using paper towels at the table, so
I don't know what I'm going to do with the stack of napkins on the top
shelf of the pantry cupboard

Pre-Covid, I sometimes carried a full-size box of tissues to warn
people to keep their distance. (I also sat in the balcony instead of
the sanctuary.)

I left the awkward box in the ladies' room before I walked home.

--
Joy Beeson, U.S.A., mostly central Hoosier,
some Northern Indiana, Upstate New York, Florida, and Hawaii
joy beeson at centurylink dot net http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
The above message is a Usenet post.

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

On 2022-03-22 18:04:05 +0000, Joy Beeson said:

> On 18 Mar 2022 05:16:49 GMT, r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
> wrote:
>
>> When you in the US are going to the movies and might need
>> one or two facial tissues on the road, do you take that
>> large box with you? Or do you take individual tissues out of
>> the box and carry them with you? Or what else do you do?
>
> There's a small packet of tissues in my go bag (attache' case kept
> ready for medical appointments).
>
> It's been the same packet for years; I carry folded half-size paper
> towels in my pockets, and don't often forget.
>
> I used to carry the cheapest table napkins, but one winter day I was
> in a hurry and grabbed paper towels, and discovered that I can find a
> paper towel with gloves on.
>
> Since then, we've also switched to using paper towels at the table,

We do that.

> so
> I don't know what I'm going to do with the stack of napkins on the top
> shelf of the pantry cupboard

We use them when we have guests.

>
> Pre-Covid, I sometimes carried a full-size box of tissues to warn
> people to keep their distance. (I also sat in the balcony instead of
> the sanctuary.)
>
> I left the awkward box in the ladies' room before I walked home.


--

Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.

[Tony Cooper]

On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 19:12:09 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
<acor...@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:

>On 2022-03-22 18:04:05 +0000, Joy Beeson said:
>
>> On 18 Mar 2022 05:16:49 GMT, r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
>> wrote:
>>
>>> When you in the US are going to the movies and might need
>>> one or two facial tissues on the road, do you take that
>>> large box with you? Or do you take individual tissues out of
>>> the box and carry them with you? Or what else do you do?
>>
>> There's a small packet of tissues in my go bag (attache' case kept
>> ready for medical appointments).
>>
>> It's been the same packet for years; I carry folded half-size paper
>> towels in my pockets, and don't often forget.
>>
>> I used to carry the cheapest table napkins, but one winter day I was
>> in a hurry and grabbed paper towels, and discovered that I can find a
>> paper towel with gloves on.
>>
>> Since then, we've also switched to using paper towels at the table,
>
>We do that.
>

Some casual restaurants here have a roll of paper towels, placed
vertically on a post, on the table instead of paper napkins. BBQ
restaurants, particularly, where many napkins might be needed during a
meal.

Less waste because people tear off only what is needed.

[bruce bowser]

Soda may not be what the reference was.