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What's the difference between looting and finding?
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Dingbat
Jun 11, 2020, 9:18:09 PM6/11/20
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What's the difference between looting and finding?
In the wake of Hurricane Katrina, one news image, shared by the Associated
Press, was captioned as “A young man walks through chest deep flood water
after looting a grocery store.” But a similar photo, shared by AFP/Getty
Images, was captioned, “Two residents wade through chest-deep water after
finding bread and soda from a local grocery store.” After both were
published on Yahoo News, some readers demanded an apology after noticing
that the biggest difference between the photos was the race of the
subjects: the “looting” photograph was of a black man, and the “finding”
photograph was of white people.
https://time.com/5851111/protests-looting/
If the captions had been reversed with the black labelled as a finder
and the whites labelled as looters, would a different set of people
have objected? How about if they were both labelled as finders?
In the wake of Hurricane Katrina, one news image, shared by the Associated
Press, was captioned as “A young man walks through chest deep flood water
after looting a grocery store.” But a similar photo, shared by AFP/Getty
Images, was captioned, “Two residents wade through chest-deep water after
finding bread and soda from a local grocery store.” After both were
published on Yahoo News, some readers demanded an apology after noticing
that the biggest difference between the photos was the race of the
subjects: the “looting” photograph was of a black man, and the “finding”
photograph was of white people.
https://time.com/5851111/protests-looting/
If the captions had been reversed with the black labelled as a finder
and the whites labelled as looters, would a different set of people
have objected? How about if they were both labelled as finders?
Arindam Banerjee
Jun 11, 2020, 10:50:46 PM6/11/20
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Going by that, I don't think whites would have made much hulla about depictions of white looting, if non-whites were the lootees. They have been so good at it, historically. They never loot, they always find, unless the lootee is white in which case there is war.
Tony Cooper
Jun 12, 2020, 1:13:22 AM6/12/20
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did the photographs appear with the different captions?
Yahoo News is a news aggregator, not an original source of
publication. Whatever you see in Yahoo News is something picked up
from some other source.
The photo caption would have been written by the originating
publication. Any bias was on the part of the originating publication,
not Yahoo News.
We see the same thing in online reports today. Fox News tells us a 75
year-old ANTIFA provocateur tripped and banged his head. CNN tells us
a 75 year-old peaceful protestor was slammed to the ground by a
policeman.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Peter T. Daniels
Jun 12, 2020, 8:10:38 AM6/12/20
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Maybe this example can teach you about internalized, even unconscious
racism. You may recall my use of "internalized" in a different context
here. Same thing.
Tony Cooper
Jun 12, 2020, 8:37:44 AM6/12/20
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On Fri, 12 Jun 2020 05:10:36 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
<gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>Maybe this example can teach you about internalized, even unconscious
>racism. You may recall my use of "internalized" in a different context
>here. Same thing.
You have used "internalized" in the past to mean "something I would
<gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>Maybe this example can teach you about internalized, even unconscious
>racism. You may recall my use of "internalized" in a different context
>here. Same thing.
like to accuse you of, but there is absolutely no evidence that it is
true".
You don't seem to understand that someone can dislike you because of
who you are, not because of what you are.
Peter T. Daniels
Jun 12, 2020, 8:46:10 AM6/12/20
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On Friday, June 12, 2020 at 8:37:44 AM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Jun 2020 05:10:36 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >Maybe this example can teach you about internalized, even unconscious
> >racism. You may recall my use of "internalized" in a different context
> >here. Same thing.
>
> You have used "internalized" in the past to mean "something I would
> like to accuse you of, but there is absolutely no evidence that it is
> true".
Unfortunately, that is utterly false. The evidence is patent. "None
> On Fri, 12 Jun 2020 05:10:36 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >Maybe this example can teach you about internalized, even unconscious
> >racism. You may recall my use of "internalized" in a different context
> >here. Same thing.
>
> You have used "internalized" in the past to mean "something I would
> like to accuse you of, but there is absolutely no evidence that it is
> true".
is so blind as him who will not see."
> You don't seem to understand that someone can dislike you because of
> who you are, not because of what you are.
"What you are" is, in this case, a young black male.
The interchangeability of the pronouns goes exactly to the point.
If you can't put yourself into the mindset of the caption-writer, there's
something quite problematic about your understanding of human nature.
Dingbat
Jun 12, 2020, 8:58:18 AM6/12/20
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On Friday, June 12, 2020 at 5:10:38 AM UTC-7, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 9:18:09 PM UTC-4, Dingbat wrote:
> > What's the difference between looting and finding?
> >
> > In the wake of Hurricane Katrina, one news image, shared by the Associated
> > Press, was captioned as “A young man walks through chest deep flood water
> > after looting a grocery store.” But a similar photo, shared by AFP/Getty
> > Images, was captioned, “Two residents wade through chest-deep water after
> > finding bread and soda from a local grocery store.” After both were
> > published on Yahoo News, some readers demanded an apology after noticing
> > that the biggest difference between the photos was the race of the
> > subjects: the “looting” photograph was of a black man, and the “finding”
> > photograph was of white people.
> > https://time.com/5851111/protests-looting/
> >
> >
> > If the captions had been reversed with the black labelled as a finder
> > and the whites labelled as looters, would a different set of people
> > have objected? How about if they were both labelled as finders?
>
> Such a "reversal" would not have happened.
Indeed? I'll be blowed!
> On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 9:18:09 PM UTC-4, Dingbat wrote:
> > What's the difference between looting and finding?
> >
> > In the wake of Hurricane Katrina, one news image, shared by the Associated
> > Press, was captioned as “A young man walks through chest deep flood water
> > after looting a grocery store.” But a similar photo, shared by AFP/Getty
> > Images, was captioned, “Two residents wade through chest-deep water after
> > finding bread and soda from a local grocery store.” After both were
> > published on Yahoo News, some readers demanded an apology after noticing
> > that the biggest difference between the photos was the race of the
> > subjects: the “looting” photograph was of a black man, and the “finding”
> > photograph was of white people.
> > https://time.com/5851111/protests-looting/
> >
> >
> > If the captions had been reversed with the black labelled as a finder
> > and the whites labelled as looters, would a different set of people
> > have objected? How about if they were both labelled as finders?
>
> Such a "reversal" would not have happened.
Hypothetically, if both caption writers were black and the pictures were
published in a mag with a black readership, like Ebony, how would the
captions read?
Tony Cooper
Jun 12, 2020, 9:06:39 AM6/12/20
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On Fri, 12 Jun 2020 05:46:07 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
<gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>On Friday, June 12, 2020 at 8:37:44 AM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Jun 2020 05:10:36 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
>> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> >Maybe this example can teach you about internalized, even unconscious
>> >racism. You may recall my use of "internalized" in a different context
>> >here. Same thing.
>>
>> You have used "internalized" in the past to mean "something I would
>> like to accuse you of, but there is absolutely no evidence that it is
>> true".
>
>Unfortunately, that is utterly false. The evidence is patent. "None
>is so blind as him who will not see."
>
>> You don't seem to understand that someone can dislike you because of
>> who you are, not because of what you are.
>
>"Who you are" is, in this case, a young black male.
>
>"What you are" is, in this case, a young black male.
PTD is a young black male?
>On Friday, June 12, 2020 at 8:37:44 AM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Jun 2020 05:10:36 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
>> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> >Maybe this example can teach you about internalized, even unconscious
>> >racism. You may recall my use of "internalized" in a different context
>> >here. Same thing.
>>
>> You have used "internalized" in the past to mean "something I would
>> like to accuse you of, but there is absolutely no evidence that it is
>> true".
>
>Unfortunately, that is utterly false. The evidence is patent. "None
>is so blind as him who will not see."
>
>> You don't seem to understand that someone can dislike you because of
>> who you are, not because of what you are.
>
>"Who you are" is, in this case, a young black male.
>
>"What you are" is, in this case, a young black male.
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