Liz Truss --- analogy with US politician ?

[henh...@gmail.com]

44 days (6 weeks) ---


is she compared to US political figures in US news stories ?

How long was Nixon's 2nd term ?



>>> In July 1830, Louis-Antoine of France – the last “Dauphin”, or heir apparent – ascended the French throne as King Louis XIX, succeeding his father, Charles X, who had abdicated. Within 20 minutes, however, Louis-Antoine had also abdicated, making him the joint shortest reigning monarch in history.

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 2:51:18 PM UTC-4, henh...@gmail.com wrote:
> 44 days (6 weeks) ---
>
>
> is she compared to US political figures in US news stories ?

No.

> How long was Nixon's 2nd term ?

Year and a half. 20 Jan 73 - Aug 74.

[Blueshirt]

On 03/11/2022 19:34, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 2:51:18 PM UTC-4, henh...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 44 days (6 weeks) ---
>>
>>
>> is she compared to US political figures in US news stories ?
>
> No.

Her tenure was so short she's not even going to be compared to UK
political figures in time...

[occam]

To be fair, she has set a new, low benchmark. All future PMs will be
compared w.r.t. this new low. "At least he was not as bad as Liz..."
will be the consolation offered.

[Peter Moylan]

In the UK, yes. But US politics don't seem to work that way. When Biden
was first a presidential candidate, there were quite a few comments
along the lines of "he doesn't have much going for him, but he's not as
bad as Trump". Now that a midterm election is coming up, people only
remember the first part of that assessment. The fact that he's not as
bad as Trump seems to have been forgotten.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

[Peter T. Daniels]

It was longer than that of the first president to die in office, William
Henry Harrison, though.

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 9:35:38 AM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 04/11/22 23:28, occam wrote:
> > On 04/11/2022 11:12, Blueshirt wrote:
> >> On 03/11/2022 19:34, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 2:51:18 PM UTC-4,
> >>> henh...@gmail.com wrote:

> >>>> 44 days (6 weeks) ---
> >>>> is she compared to US political figures in US news stories ?
> >>> No.
> >> Her tenure was so short she's not even going to be compared to UK
> >> political figures in time...
> > To be fair, she has set a new, low benchmark. All future PMs will be
> > compared w.r.t. this new low. "At least he was not as bad as Liz..."
> > will be the consolation offered.
>
> In the UK, yes. But US politics don't seem to work that way. When Biden
> was first a presidential candidate, there were quite a few comments
> along the lines of "he doesn't have much going for him, but he's not as
> bad as Trump".

No, there were comments about him borrowing a few phrases from
a speech by some UK Labour candidate (Jeremy something, maybe?),
resulting in accusations of "plagiarism," and he soon withdrew from
the race.

> Now that a midterm election is coming up, people only
> remember the first part of that assessment. The fact that he's not as
> bad as Trump seems to have been forgotten.

Maybe by your Murdoch media. Not by us. T**** yesterday made the
clearest statement yet that he's running in '24.

But in a few days we shall see how badly his candidates get drubbed.
He won primaries, making it much more likely that Democrats will win
in the general.

[Tony Cooper]

This is going to be a problem for many American, and me in particular.

There will be a Democrat running for POTUS in 2024. There is not a
Democrat on the horizon, in my opinion, who I will say "I'd really
like to see him/her as President". Instead, I will be voting for
anyone who is not Trump or DeSantis or any of the other potential
Republican candidates.

--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

[Peter T. Daniels]

I suspect Mayor Pete is being groomed to replace Veep Kamala
on the '24 ticket.

[occam]

Britain does not do presidents. Chalk and cheese.

[Tony Cooper]

What? While the titles are different, and the process that puts them
in office is different, both a PM and a President are "political
figures".

[occam]

On 04/11/2022 16:31, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Nov 2022 16:20:50 +0100, occam <oc...@nowhere.nix> wrote:
>
>> On 04/11/2022 14:41, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>> On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 6:12:21 AM UTC-4, Blueshirt wrote:
>>>> On 03/11/2022 19:34, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 2:51:18 PM UTC-4, henh...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> 44 days (6 weeks) ---
>>>>>> is she compared to US political figures in US news stories ?
>>>>> No.
>>>>
>>>> Her tenure was so short she's not even going to be compared to UK
>>>> political figures in time...
>>>
>>> It was longer than that of the first president to die in office, William
>>> Henry Harrison, though.
>>
>> Britain does not do presidents. Chalk and cheese.
>
> What? While the titles are different, and the process that puts them
> in office is different, both a PM and a President are "political
> figures".
>
>

Read the remark by 'Blueshirt' again:

"Her tenure was so short she's not even going to be compared to UK
political figures in time..."

Since when was a US president 'a UK political figure'?

[Tony Cooper]

You might read the entire post. Right above that line is "...is she
compared to US political figures..."

[occam]

And the reply to that - given by PTD - was 'No'. End of comparisons.

[Peter T. Daniels]

Look at my first response, which you have quoted above: "No."

Look at what the hen person asked in their first message.

Then complain to the hen person, not to me.

[Peter T. Daniels]

Then what are you going on and on about?

Did you fail to notice the hen person's second question -- about
the length of Nixon's tenure? How are lengths of time not comparable?

[Sam Plusnet]

On 04-Nov-22 14:49, Tony Cooper wrote:

> Instead, I will be voting for
> anyone who is not Trump or DeSantis or any of the other potential
> Republican candidates.

Voting against X may be more common these days than voting for Y.

--
Sam Plusnet

[Tony Cooper]

You must be new here. There is no "end" of comparisons.

The rules here are very slack. We can respond to any part of the
message we choose to.

I could have trimmed what I was responding to to just the line I was
responding to, but trimming can result of claims of maliciousness and
misinforming the alledged stooges.

[Quinn C]

* occam:

New to this group? You expect people - and more so, Tony - to accept
PTD's answer as the end-all be-all?

--
No ... it's a good thing that one of the most famous bigots
in the country [now supports Bernie].
-- Page Kreisman, talking about Joe Rogan

[Quinn C]

* occam:

I read something along the lines of "Sunak's primary qualification is
not being Liz Truss. His second best quality is not being Boris
Johnson."

--
The bee must not pass judgment on the hive. (Voxish proverb)
-- Robert C. Wilson, Vortex (novel), p.125

[Peter Moylan]

I have always claimed that that is a major advantage of preferential
voting. When filling in the form, many of us begin by deciding who
should be numbered last, and then we work back from there.

With first-past-the-post voting, the most-liked candidate wins. With
preferential voting, the least-disliked candidate wins. The latter, I
submit, meshes better with the way we think about politicians.

[Mark Brader]

"Sam":

> > Voting against X may be more common these days than voting for Y.

When the NDP was elected to govern Ontario in 1990 and people were
talking in a newsgroup about what had happened, someone there posted
a comment like this: "When are people going to admit that people
voted for the NDP because they wanted an NDP government?"

I don't remember whether I actually posted it, but the response
I came up with was: "When they get elected twice in a row." So
that's my comment: when Y has consecutive wins, that's a sign
that people may actually like them.

(And in fact the NDP have not yet been elected again.)

Peter Moylan:

> I have always claimed that that is a major advantage of preferential
> voting.

I wish we had it.

> With first-past-the-post voting...

There is no post, dammit!
--
Mark Brader 1. remove ball from package. 2. place in hand.
m...@vex.net 3. call dog by name. 4. throw ball.
Toronto -- directions seen on rubber ball package

My text in this article is in the public domain.

[Kerr-Mudd, John]

On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 12:04:52 +0000
m...@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote:

> "Sam":
> > > Voting against X may be more common these days than voting for Y.
>
> When the NDP was elected to govern Ontario in 1990 and people were
> talking in a newsgroup about what had happened, someone there posted
> a comment like this: "When are people going to admit that people
> voted for the NDP because they wanted an NDP government?"
>
> I don't remember whether I actually posted it, but the response
> I came up with was: "When they get elected twice in a row." So
> that's my comment: when Y has consecutive wins, that's a sign
> that people may actually like them.
>
> (And in fact the NDP have not yet been elected again.)
>
> Peter Moylan:
> > I have always claimed that that is a major advantage of preferential
> > voting.
>
> I wish we had it.
>
> > With first-past-the-post voting...
>
> There is no post, dammit!

Another Entertaining Post!

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

[Arindam Banerjee]

The voter has the choice of doing ATL (first past the post) or BTL (preferential)
When he/she/it/them does both the BTL decision is taken.
So it isn't entirely preferential.

[Janet]

In article <p0damhlpqd3gtglc2...@4ax.com>,
tonyco...@gmail.com says...

>
> On Fri, 4 Nov 2022 16:35:27 +0100, occam <oc...@nowhere.nix> wrote:
>
> >On 04/11/2022 16:31, Tony Cooper wrote:
> >> On Fri, 4 Nov 2022 16:20:50 +0100, occam <oc...@nowhere.nix> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 04/11/2022 14:41, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >>>> On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 6:12:21 AM UTC-4, Blueshirt wrote:
> >>>>> On 03/11/2022 19:34, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >>>>>> On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 2:51:18 PM UTC-4, henh...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> 44 days (6 weeks) ---
> >>>>>>> is she compared to US political figures in US news stories ?
> >>>>>> No.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Her tenure was so short she's not even going to be compared to UK
> >>>>> political figures in time...
> >>>>
> >>>> It was longer than that of the first president to die in office, William
> >>>> Henry Harrison, though.
> >>>
> >>> Britain does not do presidents. Chalk and cheese.
> >>
> >> What? While the titles are different, and the process that puts them
> >> in office is different, both a PM and a President are "political
> >> figures".

Apples and oranges are both fruit.


Janet

[Peter T. Daniels]

Now, now, TC has been on praiseworthily good behavior for two days now.

Though a bit of backsliding can be detected in the message immediately
preceding yours.

[Tony Cooper]

Actually, you've set the tone. When your posts are absent of
asterisks and insults following my sig line, my replies follow suit.

>
>Though a bit of backsliding can be detected in the message immediately
>preceding yours.

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 11:18:58 PM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 05/11/22 05:30, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> > On 04-Nov-22 14:49, Tony Cooper wrote:

> >> Instead, I will be voting for anyone who is not Trump or DeSantis
> >> or any of the other potential Republican candidates.
> > Voting against X may be more common these days than voting for Y.
>
> I have always claimed that that is a major advantage of preferential
> voting. When filling in the form, many of us begin by deciding who
> should be numbered last, and then we work back from there.

NYC has been experimenting with preferential voting for two cycles
now. The first time it was only for local offices (City Council member,
for instance), but Eric Adams became mayor last time in the second
round (there were a lot of candidates on the ballot, a few of whom had
been deemed serious enough to be in the debates). I don't recall that
_anyone_ who had led after the first round got defeated when the
second round was calculated. (It would have been big news.)

> With first-past-the-post voting, the most-liked candidate wins. With
> preferential voting, the least-disliked candidate wins. The latter, I
> submit, meshes better with the way we think about politicians.

We do FPTP only in primary elections -- which in many districts
means that the winner, with maybe 25% of the few participating
voters' votes, becomes the officeholder, because opposition is
token or nonexistent in the general election. (Primary elections
are conducted only according to party rules, though they're
administered by the county Boards of Elections.)

[Peter T. Daniels]

No, those only appear when you provoke them.

[Hibou]

Le 03/11/2022 à 18:51, henh...@gmail.com a écrit :
>
> 44 days (6 weeks) ---
>
> is she compared to US political figures in US news stories ?
>

> How long was Nixon's 2nd term ?
>
> >>> In July 1830, Louis-Antoine of France – the last “Dauphin”, or heir apparent – ascended the French throne as King Louis XIX, succeeding his father, Charles X, who had abdicated. Within 20 minutes, however, Louis-Antoine had also abdicated, making him the joint shortest reigning monarch in history.

Makes our Queen Jane, who lasted nine days, look like a stayer.

In times like these, one just has to hope that no aliens will embarrass
us by landing and saying, "Take us to your leader!"

[Kerr-Mudd, John]

On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 09:54:42 -0400
Tony Cooper <tonyco...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 5 Nov 2022 06:50:12 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>

[]

> >Now, now, TC has been on praiseworthily good behavior for two days now.
>
> Actually, you've set the tone. When your posts are absent of
> asterisks and insults following my sig line, my replies follow suit.
> >
> >Though a bit of backsliding can be detected in the message immediately
> >preceding yours.

[]

I was hoping for peace to break out. But will it?

[Peter T. Daniels]

Then shut the fuck up. :-)

[Ken Blake]

On Sat, 5 Nov 2022 12:10:06 +0000, "Kerr-Mudd, John" <ad...@127.0.0.1>
wrote:

Post hoc ergo propter hoc

[Ken Blake]

Don't you mean "alleged stoodges"?

[Sam Plusnet]

On 05-Nov-22 12:04, Mark Brader wrote:

>> With first-past-the-post voting...
>
> There is no post, dammit!

Postal strike?

--
Sam Plusnet

[Sam Plusnet]

When assessing the mental capacity of elderly people, "Who's the Prime
Minister dear?" would be a common question.

I assume they opt for a different question these days.

--
Sam Plusnet

[Jerry Friedman]

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 1:07:05 PM UTC-6, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> On 05-Nov-22 13:59, Hibou wrote:

...

> > In times like these, one just has to hope that no aliens will embarrass
> > us by landing and saying, "Take us to your leader!"

> When assessing the mental capacity of elderly people, "Who's the Prime
> Minister dear?" would be a common question.
>
> I assume they opt for a different question these days.

"Who's the Monarch?"

--
Jerry Friedman

[Sam Plusnet]

"And monarchs to you young man!"

--
Sam Plusnet

[Quinn C]

* Mark Brader:

> "Sam":

>> With first-past-the-post voting...
>
> There is no post, dammit!

Someone moved it again.
Par for the course in politics (and aue).

--
Dottie: Maybe you can give him a pep talk.
Tunde: He is a white man with money. God already gave him a pep talk.
-- Bob hearts Abishola, S01E10

[CDB]

You should keep Boris around for that. He looks as if he would barbecue
well.

[bil...@shaw.ca]

Why wouldn't he? He's the very model of a modern long pig.

bill

[Quinn C]

* bil...@shaw.ca:

Whereas the Americans have to make do with an elongated muskrat as their
wannabe king.

--
The country has its quota of fools and windbags; such people are
most prominent in politics, where their inherent weaknesses seem
less glaring and attract less ridicule than they would in other
walks of life. -- Robert Bothwell et.al.: Canada since 1945