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Michael Uplawski
Mar 13, 2023, 4:56:10 AMMar 13
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Good morning.
I cannot contribute much to any discussion at this moment, but reading
alt.usage.english has become just as difficult:
My newsreader marks filtered postings but does not remove them from the
threads. With about 90% of the content being reduced to mere clutter,
this newsgroup has beaten all recoeds in a short time. This can be a
problem of my program, but I will stick to it for other reasons.
Can you recommed a different group, possibly outside the alt-hierachy
for English languge topics?
TIA.
Cheerio
--
Native German / Colloquial French
I cannot contribute much to any discussion at this moment, but reading
alt.usage.english has become just as difficult:
My newsreader marks filtered postings but does not remove them from the
threads. With about 90% of the content being reduced to mere clutter,
this newsgroup has beaten all recoeds in a short time. This can be a
problem of my program, but I will stick to it for other reasons.
Can you recommed a different group, possibly outside the alt-hierachy
for English languge topics?
TIA.
Cheerio
--
Native German / Colloquial French
Michael Uplawski
Mar 13, 2023, 5:02:11 AMMar 13
to
Good morning.
I cannot contribute much to any discussion at this moment, but reading
alt.usage.english has become just as difficult:
My newsreader marks filtered postings but does not remove them from the
threads. With about 90% of the content being reduced to mere clutter,
this newsgroup has beaten all records in a short time. This can be a
I cannot contribute much to any discussion at this moment, but reading
alt.usage.english has become just as difficult:
My newsreader marks filtered postings but does not remove them from the
threads. With about 90% of the content being reduced to mere clutter,
Michael Uplawski
Mar 13, 2023, 5:02:57 AMMar 13
to
Good morning.
I cannot contribute much to any discussion at this moment, but reading
alt.usage.english has become just as difficult:
My newsreader marks filtered postings but does not remove them from the
threads. With about 90% of the content being reduced to mere clutter,
this newsgroup has beaten all records in a short time. This can be a
problem of my program, but I will stick to it for other reasons.
Can you recommed a different group, possibly outside the alt-hierachy
for English language topics?
I cannot contribute much to any discussion at this moment, but reading
alt.usage.english has become just as difficult:
My newsreader marks filtered postings but does not remove them from the
threads. With about 90% of the content being reduced to mere clutter,
this newsgroup has beaten all records in a short time. This can be a
problem of my program, but I will stick to it for other reasons.
Can you recommed a different group, possibly outside the alt-hierachy
John Dunlop
Mar 13, 2023, 5:50:27 AMMar 13
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Michael Uplawski:
think either is very active, certainly a lot less than AUE.
English-language discussion would also be on-topic in sci.lang, but I
don't know how how active it is nowadays, either. If I were you, I'd try
to make reading AUE easier.
Some people use Google Groups, which might be an option for you while
you work out what's wrong with your newsreader. It seems unlikely that a
newsreader can mark filtered posts but not remove them. If you can't
figure it out, would it be an option to install another newsreader (in
addition to your current one)?
Even something as unsophisticated as Thunderbird could give you a more
pleasant reading experience. Its biggest downside, though, is that you
can't hide follow-ups to killfiled posts (AFAIK), and so you're still
left having to skip over RRs who insist on responding to trolls.
--
John
> I cannot contribute much to any discussion at this moment, but reading
> alt.usage.english has become just as difficult:
> My newsreader marks filtered postings but does not remove them from the
> threads. With about 90% of the content being reduced to mere clutter,
> this newsgroup has beaten all records in a short time. This can be a
> problem of my program, but I will stick to it for other reasons.
>
> Can you recommed a different group, possibly outside the alt-hierachy
> for English language topics?
There's alt.english.usage and uk.culture.language.english, but I don't
> alt.usage.english has become just as difficult:
> My newsreader marks filtered postings but does not remove them from the
> threads. With about 90% of the content being reduced to mere clutter,
> this newsgroup has beaten all records in a short time. This can be a
> problem of my program, but I will stick to it for other reasons.
>
> Can you recommed a different group, possibly outside the alt-hierachy
> for English language topics?
think either is very active, certainly a lot less than AUE.
English-language discussion would also be on-topic in sci.lang, but I
don't know how how active it is nowadays, either. If I were you, I'd try
to make reading AUE easier.
Some people use Google Groups, which might be an option for you while
you work out what's wrong with your newsreader. It seems unlikely that a
newsreader can mark filtered posts but not remove them. If you can't
figure it out, would it be an option to install another newsreader (in
addition to your current one)?
Even something as unsophisticated as Thunderbird could give you a more
pleasant reading experience. Its biggest downside, though, is that you
can't hide follow-ups to killfiled posts (AFAIK), and so you're still
left having to skip over RRs who insist on responding to trolls.
--
John
Bertel Lund Hansen
Mar 13, 2023, 7:34:34 AMMar 13
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Den 13.03.2023 kl. 10.50 skrev John Dunlop:
> Even something as unsophisticated as Thunderbird could give you a more
> pleasant reading experience. Its biggest downside, though, is that you
> can't hide follow-ups to killfiled posts (AFAIK),
Correct, but instead of removing the post you can choose to ignore
> Even something as unsophisticated as Thunderbird could give you a more
> pleasant reading experience. Its biggest downside, though, is that you
> can't hide follow-ups to killfiled posts (AFAIK),
subthreads starting with the post, and that kills it and every follow-up
but leaves the main thread undisturbed.
It works well.
--
Bertel, Denmark
John Dunlop
Mar 13, 2023, 8:02:17 AMMar 13
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Bertel Lund Hansen:
Thanks for confirming.
I'd be reluctant to ignore subthreads in their entirety, though, because
thread drift can lead to interesting discussions.
Changing the subject line to reflect the content of the subthread would
be helpful, but not many people do that.
--
John
I'd be reluctant to ignore subthreads in their entirety, though, because
thread drift can lead to interesting discussions.
Changing the subject line to reflect the content of the subthread would
be helpful, but not many people do that.
--
John
occam
Mar 13, 2023, 8:57:56 AMMar 13
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On 13/03/2023 13:02, John Dunlop wrote:
> Bertel Lund Hansen:
>> Den 13.03.2023 kl. 10.50 skrev John Dunlop:
>>
>>> Even something as unsophisticated as Thunderbird
<ahem> Why do you think of TB as 'unsophisticated'?
> Bertel Lund Hansen:
>> Den 13.03.2023 kl. 10.50 skrev John Dunlop:
>>
>>> Even something as unsophisticated as Thunderbird
could give you a more
>>> pleasant reading experience. Its biggest downside, though, is that you
>>> can't hide follow-ups to killfiled posts (AFAIK),
>>
>> Correct, but instead of removing the post you can choose to ignore
>> subthreads starting with the post, and that kills it and every follow-up
>> but leaves the main thread undisturbed.
>>
>> It works well.
>
> Thanks for confirming.
>
> I'd be reluctant to ignore subthreads in their entirety, though, because
> thread drift can lead to interesting discussions.
paint mine with a very faint shade of grey by 'tag'-ing the message with
'ignore'. (You can choose the colour of 'ignore' to be any shade of
grey.) All this is achieved by using my 'unsophisticated' Thunderbird.
John Dunlop
Mar 13, 2023, 9:42:40 AMMar 13
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occam:
example, in this group, muting quoted text prevents your space bar from
wearing out (and preserves your sanity). But you need an add-on for that
in Thunderbird. More sophisticated newsreaders (e.g., Pan) provide that
functionality out-of-the-box.
I don't think "unsophisticated" is particularly negative. I use
Thunderbird and am reasonably happy with it. But the newsreader is only
part of Thunderbird. I wouldn't expect it to be as feature-rich as a
stand-alone newsreader.
--
John
>>> Den 13.03.2023 kl. 10.50 skrev John Dunlop:
>>>
>>>> Even something as unsophisticated as Thunderbird
>
>
> <ahem> Why do you think of TB as 'unsophisticated'?
Because it lacks features that stand-alone newsreaders tend to have. For
>>>
>>>> Even something as unsophisticated as Thunderbird
>
>
> <ahem> Why do you think of TB as 'unsophisticated'?
example, in this group, muting quoted text prevents your space bar from
wearing out (and preserves your sanity). But you need an add-on for that
in Thunderbird. More sophisticated newsreaders (e.g., Pan) provide that
functionality out-of-the-box.
I don't think "unsophisticated" is particularly negative. I use
Thunderbird and am reasonably happy with it. But the newsreader is only
part of Thunderbird. I wouldn't expect it to be as feature-rich as a
stand-alone newsreader.
--
John
Bertel Lund Hansen
Mar 13, 2023, 10:20:29 AMMar 13
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Den 13.03.2023 kl. 13.02 skrev John Dunlop:
> Changing the subject line to reflect the content of the subthread would
> be helpful, but not many people do that.
It would make no difference for my view.
> Changing the subject line to reflect the content of the subthread would
> be helpful, but not many people do that.
--
Bertel, Denmark
Bertel Lund Hansen
Mar 13, 2023, 10:27:44 AMMar 13
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Den 13.03.2023 kl. 13.57 skrev occam:
> <ahem> Why do you think of TB as 'unsophisticated'?
It has quite strange function for going back and forth in the messages
> <ahem> Why do you think of TB as 'unsophisticated'?
in the sequence that I read them in. It works sometimes, and other times
not. There are messages that I could not read because they had
diappeared from my window, and the back-and-forth didn't find them.
I have learnt to live with Thunderbird, but I miss Agent - the best
newsreader I have tried. I have mentioned before the unique feature with
filters that can be set to disappear after a specific period, and better
still: after a specific period with no activity.
I don't understand that other newsreaders haven't copied it.
--
Bertel, Denmark
occam
Mar 13, 2023, 10:59:47 AMMar 13
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On 13/03/2023 15:27, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> Den 13.03.2023 kl. 13.57 skrev occam:
>
>> <ahem> Why do you think of TB as 'unsophisticated'?
>
> It has quite strange function for going back and forth in the messages
> in the sequence that I read them in.
Up arrow and down arrow work fine for me. What sequence do you read them?
> Den 13.03.2023 kl. 13.57 skrev occam:
>
>> <ahem> Why do you think of TB as 'unsophisticated'?
>
> It has quite strange function for going back and forth in the messages
> in the sequence that I read them in.
It works sometimes, and other times
> not. There are messages that I could not read because they had
> diappeared from my window, and the back-and-forth didn't find them.
silly, like inadvertently deleted the specific message. (Easily done.)
>
> I have learnt to live with Thunderbird, but I miss Agent - the best
> newsreader I have tried. I have mentioned before the unique feature with
> filters that can be set to disappear after a specific period, and better
> still: after a specific period with no activity.
>
> I don't understand that other newsreaders haven't copied it.
>
As for filter rules, I'd like to be in control when they are 'on' and
when 'off'. Nothing more annoying than seeing an old banished poster
reappearing in my mailbox, because some 'autopilot' scheme decided to
pardon him/her for past abuses. (Now, what was that clever rule I had
devised for him, which automatically got deleted?)
occam
Mar 13, 2023, 11:16:11 AMMar 13
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On 13/03/2023 14:42, John Dunlop wrote:
> occam:
>>>> Den 13.03.2023 kl. 10.50 skrev John Dunlop:
>>>>
>>>>> Even something as unsophisticated as Thunderbird
>>
>>
>> <ahem> Why do you think of TB as 'unsophisticated'?
>
> Because it lacks features that stand-alone newsreaders tend to have. For
> example, in this group, muting quoted text prevents your space bar from
> wearing out (and preserves your sanity). But you need an add-on for that
> in Thunderbird. More sophisticated newsreaders (e.g., Pan) provide that
> functionality out-of-the-box.
On the other hand, if you only use 20% of those 'out-of-the-box'
> occam:
>>>> Den 13.03.2023 kl. 10.50 skrev John Dunlop:
>>>>
>>>>> Even something as unsophisticated as Thunderbird
>>
>>
>> <ahem> Why do you think of TB as 'unsophisticated'?
>
> Because it lacks features that stand-alone newsreaders tend to have. For
> example, in this group, muting quoted text prevents your space bar from
> wearing out (and preserves your sanity). But you need an add-on for that
> in Thunderbird. More sophisticated newsreaders (e.g., Pan) provide that
> functionality out-of-the-box.
features (an overestimate), then - in my book - the remaining 80% of
features are called 'bloat'.
The out-of-the-box feature of TB I appreciate most is the ability to
read my emails in addition to newsgroups. The Swiss Army knife
principle to reading mail.
>
> I don't think "unsophisticated" is particularly negative.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/unsophisticated
'naive' 'lacking in worldly wisdom or informed judgment' and 'crude' are
quite negative and damning descriptions of most things.
Paul Carmichael
Mar 13, 2023, 11:19:20 AMMar 13
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El Mon, 13 Mar 2023 13:42:34 +0000, John Dunlop escribió:
> Because it lacks features that stand-alone newsreaders tend to have. For
> example, in this group, muting quoted text prevents your space bar from
> wearing out (and preserves your sanity). But you need an add-on for that
> in Thunderbird. More sophisticated newsreaders (e.g., Pan) provide that
> functionality out-of-the-box.
Pretty sure I've never heard Pan referred to before as sophisticated. I
> Because it lacks features that stand-alone newsreaders tend to have. For
> example, in this group, muting quoted text prevents your space bar from
> wearing out (and preserves your sanity). But you need an add-on for that
> in Thunderbird. More sophisticated newsreaders (e.g., Pan) provide that
> functionality out-of-the-box.
use it because TB kept losing the plot (maybe a linux issue).
--
Paul.
https://paulc.es/elpatio
Bertel Lund Hansen
Mar 13, 2023, 11:22:39 AMMar 13
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Den 13.03.2023 kl. 16.19 skrev Paul Carmichael:
> Pretty sure I've never heard Pan referred to before as sophisticated. I
> use it because TB kept losing the plot (maybe a linux issue).
Losing the plot? What do you mean?
> Pretty sure I've never heard Pan referred to before as sophisticated. I
> use it because TB kept losing the plot (maybe a linux issue).
My TB on Linux Mint doesn't lose anything.
--
Bertel, Denmark
Bertel Lund Hansen
Mar 13, 2023, 11:29:23 AMMar 13
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Den 13.03.2023 kl. 15.59 skrev occam:
>> It has quite strange function for going back and forth in the messages
>> in the sequence that I read them in.
> Up arrow and down arrow work fine for me. What sequence do you read them?
I read new messages. That means that I may read one from one thread, and
>> It has quite strange function for going back and forth in the messages
>> in the sequence that I read them in.
> Up arrow and down arrow work fine for me. What sequence do you read them?
them one from another thread. Going up doesn't display the previous one.
I have to use AltGr+'[', and sometimes it just has no effect.
> It works sometimes, and other times
>> not. There are messages that I could not read because they had
>> diappeared from my window, and the back-and-forth didn't find them.
>
> When this happens to me, it is usually because I have done something
> silly, like inadvertently deleted the specific message. (Easily done.)
> All of my old messages ('old' as defined by me) disappear automatically.
> As for filter rules, I'd like to be in control when they are 'on' and
> when 'off'. Nothing more annoying than seeing an old banished poster
> reappearing in my mailbox, because some 'autopilot' scheme decided to
> pardon him/her for past abuses. (Now, what was that clever rule I had
> devised for him, which automatically got deleted?)
disappeares when they haven't been active for x days. You can set 365
days if you like.
My filters are filled with rules that may or may not be neccessary.
--
Bertel, Denmark
John Dunlop
Mar 13, 2023, 11:29:29 AMMar 13
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occam:
>> I don't think "unsophisticated" is particularly negative.
>
> Well, actually it is.
Not in this context. It means "not complicated or highly developed; basic":
https://www.google.com/search?q=define+unsophisticated
The quotation given is "unsophisticated computer software". There is
nothing necessarily negative about that.
--
John
> On 13/03/2023 14:42, John Dunlop wrote:
(describing Thunderbird)
>> I don't think "unsophisticated" is particularly negative.
>
> Well, actually it is.
https://www.google.com/search?q=define+unsophisticated
The quotation given is "unsophisticated computer software". There is
nothing necessarily negative about that.
--
John
occam
Mar 13, 2023, 11:35:27 AMMar 13
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story, Bertel ;-)
Perhaps the 'back-and-forth issue with your TB is also Linux related.
Have you aired the issue on <alt.comp.software.thunderbird>?
John Dunlop
Mar 13, 2023, 11:56:25 AMMar 13
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Paul Carmichael:
I'm pretty sure I haven't. "More sophisticated" (i.e., less basic) is a
comparative form. "I'm taller than you" doesn't mean I'm tall.
--
John
> El Mon, 13 Mar 2023 13:42:34 +0000, John Dunlop escribió:
>
>> Because it lacks features that stand-alone newsreaders tend to have. For
>> example, in this group, muting quoted text prevents your space bar from
>> wearing out (and preserves your sanity). But you need an add-on for that
>> in Thunderbird. More sophisticated newsreaders (e.g., Pan) provide that
>> functionality out-of-the-box.
>
> Pretty sure I've never heard Pan referred to before as sophisticated. [...]
>
>> Because it lacks features that stand-alone newsreaders tend to have. For
>> example, in this group, muting quoted text prevents your space bar from
>> wearing out (and preserves your sanity). But you need an add-on for that
>> in Thunderbird. More sophisticated newsreaders (e.g., Pan) provide that
>> functionality out-of-the-box.
>
I'm pretty sure I haven't. "More sophisticated" (i.e., less basic) is a
comparative form. "I'm taller than you" doesn't mean I'm tall.
--
John
Paul Carmichael
Mar 13, 2023, 12:04:42 PMMar 13
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It has other little bugs such as every now and then it explodes all
folder views.
I still use it for email. I like to use different progs for different
stuff. That way I don't join the ranks of those that accidentally post a
private email to a newsgroup. I've seen that happen *often*.
--
Paul.
https://paulc.es/elpatio
Paul Carmichael
Mar 13, 2023, 12:05:58 PMMar 13
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El Mon, 13 Mar 2023 15:56:21 +0000, John Dunlop escribió:
> I'm pretty sure I haven't. "More sophisticated" (i.e., less basic) is a
> comparative form. "I'm taller than you" doesn't mean I'm tall.
Yes it does, because I'm quite tall.
> I'm pretty sure I haven't. "More sophisticated" (i.e., less basic) is a
> comparative form. "I'm taller than you" doesn't mean I'm tall.
--
Paul.
https://paulc.es/elpatio
John Dunlop
Mar 13, 2023, 12:08:02 PMMar 13
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Paul Carmichael:
--
John
> El Mon, 13 Mar 2023 15:56:21 +0000, John Dunlop escribió:
>
>> I'm pretty sure I haven't. "More sophisticated" (i.e., less basic) is a
>> comparative form. "I'm taller than you" doesn't mean I'm tall.
>
> Yes it does, because I'm quite tall.
I knew you were going to say that.
>
>> I'm pretty sure I haven't. "More sophisticated" (i.e., less basic) is a
>> comparative form. "I'm taller than you" doesn't mean I'm tall.
>
> Yes it does, because I'm quite tall.
--
John
Paul Carmichael
Mar 13, 2023, 12:54:14 PMMar 13
to
John Dunlop
Mar 13, 2023, 12:58:40 PMMar 13
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Paul Carmichael:
> El Mon, 13 Mar 2023 16:07:57 +0000, John Dunlop escribió:
>
>> Paul Carmichael:
>>> El Mon, 13 Mar 2023 15:56:21 +0000, John Dunlop escribió:
>>>
>>>> I'm pretty sure I haven't. "More sophisticated" (i.e., less basic) is
>>>> a comparative form. "I'm taller than you" doesn't mean I'm tall.
>>>
>>> Yes it does, because I'm quite tall.
>>
>> I knew you were going to say that.
>
> What do you think of the show so far?
Time ill spent.
> El Mon, 13 Mar 2023 16:07:57 +0000, John Dunlop escribió:
>
>> Paul Carmichael:
>>> El Mon, 13 Mar 2023 15:56:21 +0000, John Dunlop escribió:
>>>
>>>> I'm pretty sure I haven't. "More sophisticated" (i.e., less basic) is
>>>> a comparative form. "I'm taller than you" doesn't mean I'm tall.
>>>
>>> Yes it does, because I'm quite tall.
>>
>> I knew you were going to say that.
>
> What do you think of the show so far?
--
John
Tak To
Mar 13, 2023, 1:29:57 PMMar 13
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On 3/13/2023 10:27 AM, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> Den 13.03.2023 kl. 13.57 skrev occam:
>
>> <ahem> Why do you think of TB as 'unsophisticated'?
>
> It has quite strange function for going back and forth in the messages
> in the sequence that I read them in. It works sometimes, and other times
> not. There are messages that I could not read because they had
> diappeared from my window, and the back-and-forth didn't find them.
If a message disappears from the listing window, 9 times out
> Den 13.03.2023 kl. 13.57 skrev occam:
>
>> <ahem> Why do you think of TB as 'unsophisticated'?
>
> It has quite strange function for going back and forth in the messages
> in the sequence that I read them in. It works sometimes, and other times
> not. There are messages that I could not read because they had
> diappeared from my window, and the back-and-forth didn't find them.
of 10 it is because it has been marked as read. There are two
stages of filtering in TB, one is at the View-Threads-
{All,Unread...} level, the other at the Tag/Quick Filter
level. The confusing thing is that a read message won't
disappear immediately, but will after any event that updates
the display.
This brings me to my biggest gripe about TB -- there is no
"undo" for marking a message as read (either explicitly
or implicitly). Ideally there should be a separate undo-
stack that let the user "unread" the past N messages.
> I have learnt to live with Thunderbird, but I miss Agent - the best
> newsreader I have tried. I have mentioned before the unique feature with
> filters that can be set to disappear after a specific period, and better
> still: after a specific period with no activity.
>
> I don't understand that other newsreaders haven't copied it.
I never like any sort of automatic *filtering* schemes (including
"kill" features).
I am more in favor of *retaining* schemes. For example, I would
like to mark a subthread/set of messages as "retained" so that
they would be visible in the listing window by default regardless
of their "read" status, together with all never-read messages.
Currently I have to set individual messages as "unread" and
"starred" to approximate the effect, and that is far from ideal.
I prefer filtering capability on duration of inactivity, etc,
to expiration dates on retained subthread/messages.
----- -----
I have never used other newsreaders than TB extensively but I
have read the descriptions of many of them in the group.
Somehow, I rarely found those "advanced" features found outside
of TB useful.
Features in TB that I would like to see
(1) A sophisticated MBOX file repairing tool. There are a number
of garbled MBOX files on my disk. I don't know what went wrong,
and I could not see anything obvious in a text editor. However,
TB hangs while trying to create the index files for them.
(2) In the editor, the ability to make "hard" newlines and
chevrons distinguishable from "soft" ones.
(3) Ability to export subthreads/messages as .zip files.
(4) Ability to override tag precedence; or some way to do
global tag replacements.
Etc
--
Tak
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Tak To
Mar 13, 2023, 1:32:32 PMMar 13
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On 3/13/2023 9:42 AM, John Dunlop wrote:
> occam:
>>>> Den 13.03.2023 kl. 10.50 skrev John Dunlop:
>>>>
>>>>> Even something as unsophisticated as Thunderbird
>>
>>
>> <ahem> Why do you think of TB as 'unsophisticated'?
>
> Because it lacks features that stand-alone newsreaders tend to have. For
> example, in this group, muting quoted text prevents your space bar from
> wearing out (and preserves your sanity). But you need an add-on for that
> in Thunderbird. More sophisticated newsreaders (e.g., Pan) provide that
> functionality out-of-the-box.
Is "muting quoted text" same as greying it out? What does the
> occam:
>>>> Den 13.03.2023 kl. 10.50 skrev John Dunlop:
>>>>
>>>>> Even something as unsophisticated as Thunderbird
>>
>>
>> <ahem> Why do you think of TB as 'unsophisticated'?
>
> Because it lacks features that stand-alone newsreaders tend to have. For
> example, in this group, muting quoted text prevents your space bar from
> wearing out (and preserves your sanity). But you need an add-on for that
> in Thunderbird. More sophisticated newsreaders (e.g., Pan) provide that
> functionality out-of-the-box.
space bar do in this context in TB?
Tak To
Mar 13, 2023, 1:39:22 PMMar 13
to
and do make use of the fact.
At times I change the subject lines myself, but have no idea if the
changes make any difference to anyone.
Ken Blake
Mar 13, 2023, 1:47:48 PMMar 13
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On 13 Mar 2023 16:04:37 GMT, Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>El Mon, 13 Mar 2023 16:22:34 +0100, Bertel Lund Hansen escribió:
>
>> Den 13.03.2023 kl. 16.19 skrev Paul Carmichael:
>>
>>> Pretty sure I've never heard Pan referred to before as sophisticated. I
>>> use it because TB kept losing the plot (maybe a linux issue).
>>
>> Losing the plot? What do you mean?
>>
>> My TB on Linux Mint doesn't lose anything.
>
>
>Mine does. Now and again it unsubscribes from all groups.
That was the problem I had with Thunderbird under Windows 11, and it's
why I switched away from Thunderbird and went back to Agent 6.0.
>It has other little bugs such as every now and then it explodes all
>folder views.
>
>I still use it for email.
So do I.
> I like to use different progs for different
>stuff.
I generally do too, but not for your reason (see below).
>That way I don't join the ranks of those that accidentally post a
>private email to a newsgroup. I've seen that happen *often*.
I generally prefer different programs because it's rare that the same
program is what I consider to be the best in two different categories.
It's the same reason I dislike the idea of software suites; for
example I think Microsoft Excel is the best.spreadsheet program, but
Corel WordPerfect is the best word processor.
wrote:
>El Mon, 13 Mar 2023 16:22:34 +0100, Bertel Lund Hansen escribió:
>
>> Den 13.03.2023 kl. 16.19 skrev Paul Carmichael:
>>
>>> Pretty sure I've never heard Pan referred to before as sophisticated. I
>>> use it because TB kept losing the plot (maybe a linux issue).
>>
>> Losing the plot? What do you mean?
>>
>> My TB on Linux Mint doesn't lose anything.
>
>
>Mine does. Now and again it unsubscribes from all groups.
why I switched away from Thunderbird and went back to Agent 6.0.
>It has other little bugs such as every now and then it explodes all
>folder views.
>
>I still use it for email.
> I like to use different progs for different
>stuff.
>That way I don't join the ranks of those that accidentally post a
>private email to a newsgroup. I've seen that happen *often*.
program is what I consider to be the best in two different categories.
It's the same reason I dislike the idea of software suites; for
example I think Microsoft Excel is the best.spreadsheet program, but
Corel WordPerfect is the best word processor.
Ken Blake
Mar 13, 2023, 1:50:47 PMMar 13
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On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 15:27:40 +0100, Bertel Lund Hansen
<gade...@lundhansen.dk> wrote:
>Den 13.03.2023 kl. 13.57 skrev occam:
>
>> <ahem> Why do you think of TB as 'unsophisticated'?
>
>It has quite strange function for going back and forth in the messages
>in the sequence that I read them in. It works sometimes, and other times
>not. There are messages that I could not read because they had
>diappeared from my window, and the back-and-forth didn't find them.
>
>I have learnt to live with Thunderbird, but I miss Agent - the best
>newsreader I have tried.
I use and like Agent, but I liked Thunderbird at least as much.
<gade...@lundhansen.dk> wrote:
>Den 13.03.2023 kl. 13.57 skrev occam:
>
>> <ahem> Why do you think of TB as 'unsophisticated'?
>
>It has quite strange function for going back and forth in the messages
>in the sequence that I read them in. It works sometimes, and other times
>not. There are messages that I could not read because they had
>diappeared from my window, and the back-and-forth didn't find them.
>
>I have learnt to live with Thunderbird, but I miss Agent - the best
>newsreader I have tried.
Why do you miss it? Why not switch to it if you think it's the best.?
John Dunlop
Mar 13, 2023, 2:03:57 PMMar 13
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Tak To:
>> Because it lacks features that stand-alone newsreaders tend to have. For
>> example, in this group, muting quoted text prevents your space bar from
>> wearing out (and preserves your sanity). But you need an add-on for that
>> in Thunderbird. More sophisticated newsreaders (e.g., Pan) provide that
>> functionality out-of-the-box.
>
> Is "muting quoted text" same as greying it out?
The extension I use gives you the option of hiding ("collapsing") the
quoted text completely or leaving a few lines visible at the bottom. It
also allows you to collapse or expand individual levels of quotes.
> What does the space bar do in this context in TB?
Moves the text in the message pane up one ... eh, pane-ful. After you
reach the bottom, it moves you to the next unread message.
--
John
> On 3/13/2023 9:42 AM, John Dunlop wrote:
(Thunderbird)
>> Because it lacks features that stand-alone newsreaders tend to have. For
>> example, in this group, muting quoted text prevents your space bar from
>> wearing out (and preserves your sanity). But you need an add-on for that
>> in Thunderbird. More sophisticated newsreaders (e.g., Pan) provide that
>> functionality out-of-the-box.
>
> Is "muting quoted text" same as greying it out?
quoted text completely or leaving a few lines visible at the bottom. It
also allows you to collapse or expand individual levels of quotes.
> What does the space bar do in this context in TB?
reach the bottom, it moves you to the next unread message.
--
John
Kerr-Mudd, John
Mar 13, 2023, 4:01:29 PMMar 13
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On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 13:39:17 -0400
Tak To <ta...@alum.mit.eduxx> wrote:
> On 3/13/2023 10:20 AM, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> > Den 13.03.2023 kl. 13.02 skrev John Dunlop:
> >
> >> Changing the subject line to reflect the content of the subthread would
> >> be helpful, but not many people do that.
> >
> > It would make no difference for my view.
>
> I appreciate people changing the subject lines appropriately.
> and do make use of the fact.
>
> At times I change the subject lines myself, but have no idea if the
> changes make any difference to anyone.
>
I got told off for doing it in here, once upon a time.
Tak To <ta...@alum.mit.eduxx> wrote:
> On 3/13/2023 10:20 AM, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> > Den 13.03.2023 kl. 13.02 skrev John Dunlop:
> >
> >> Changing the subject line to reflect the content of the subthread would
> >> be helpful, but not many people do that.
> >
> > It would make no difference for my view.
>
> I appreciate people changing the subject lines appropriately.
> and do make use of the fact.
>
> At times I change the subject lines myself, but have no idea if the
> changes make any difference to anyone.
>
--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.
TonyCooper
Mar 13, 2023, 4:09:34 PMMar 13
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Tony Cooper - Orlando,Florida
Bertel Lund Hansen
Mar 13, 2023, 4:27:11 PMMar 13
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Den 13.03.2023 kl. 16.35 skrev occam:
>> My TB on Linux Mint doesn't lose anything.
>>
>
> ...other than the messages that go a-missing? (You need a consistent
> story, Bertel ;-)
The messages are still there. I just can't find them.
>> My TB on Linux Mint doesn't lose anything.
>>
>
> ...other than the messages that go a-missing? (You need a consistent
> story, Bertel ;-)
> Perhaps the 'back-and-forth issue with your TB is also Linux related.
> Have you aired the issue on <alt.comp.software.thunderbird>?
through a lot of work only to find that it didn't solve the problem.
--
Bertel, Denmark
Bertel Lund Hansen
Mar 13, 2023, 4:30:12 PMMar 13
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Den 13.03.2023 kl. 17.04 skrev Paul Carmichael:
> I still use it for email. I like to use different progs for different
> stuff. That way I don't join the ranks of those that accidentally post a
> private email to a newsgroup. I've seen that happen *often*.
It hasn't happened to me, neither in Agent nor in TB. I've more often
> I still use it for email. I like to use different progs for different
> stuff. That way I don't join the ranks of those that accidentally post a
> private email to a newsgroup. I've seen that happen *often*.
seen usenet messaghes be sent as private email. I haven't done that either.
I like to have both functions in one program because I may want to email
a person that has written something in a newsgroup. I did that maybe
twice a year but that is a long time ago.
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Bertel, Denmark
Bertel Lund Hansen
Mar 13, 2023, 4:31:30 PMMar 13