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Juan Pardillos

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May 12, 2003, 6:55:05 PM5/12/03
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Hi,

when somebody is gonna pay and you want to invite him/her, what do you say?
I'll pay myself?

Thanks in advance

my-wings

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May 12, 2003, 9:09:15 PM5/12/03
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"Juan Pardillos" <sic...@eresmas.com> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> when somebody is gonna pay and you want to invite him/her, what do you
say?
> I'll pay myself?
>

I think what you are describing is a situation where you want to invite
someone to an event, but you expect that person to pay his or her own cost.

Saying "I'll pay myself" indicates that you will be paying for everything.
"I'll pay *for* myself" is better, but it is probably best to be clear and
say, "everyone is paying for him-or herself." or "each person is paying his
or her own way." A very informal (and possibly politically incorrect) turn
of phrase is to indicate that "It's Dutch treat" or "We're going Dutch."

Alice


amaass

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May 12, 2003, 9:28:44 PM5/12/03
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"Juan Pardillos" <sic...@eresmas.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> when somebody is gonna pay and you want to invite him/her, what do you
say?
> I'll pay myself?
>

When the check (BrEn: bill?) arrives: snatch it and say "I'll get it."

-- Adam Maass


Robert Lieblich

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May 12, 2003, 9:35:09 PM5/12/03
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Standard English idiom is "My treat," which means "I will pay for
both of us." If you are speaking to someone whose English is shaky,
you can use the literal words: "I will pay for both of us."

--
Bob Lieblich
You're welcome in retrospect

Mark Brader

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May 12, 2003, 11:15:56 PM5/12/03
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Juan Pardillos asks:

> > when somebody is gonna pay and you want to invite him/her, what do you
> > say? I'll pay myself?

"Alice" writes:
> I think what you are describing is a situation where you want to invite
> someone to an event, but you expect that person to pay his or her own cost.

I think he means to say that he'll be paying for everything. The
confusion is because "invite" is the wrong word. If you're paying for
someone else's costs, what you're doing is treating him/her. Or we
might just say that you're paying (for him/her).

> Saying "I'll pay myself" indicates that you will be paying for everything.

Or you could just say "I'll pay", with a bit of emphasis on "I".
--
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m...@vex.net | Peter Seebach and Steve Summit!" -- Steve Summit

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my-wings

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May 12, 2003, 11:43:28 PM5/12/03
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"Mark Brader" <m...@vex.net> wrote in message
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> Juan Pardillos asks:
> > > when somebody is gonna pay and you want to invite him/her, what do you
> > > say? I'll pay myself?
>
> "Alice" writes:
> > I think what you are describing is a situation where you want to invite
> > someone to an event, but you expect that person to pay his or her own
cost.
>
> I think he means to say that he'll be paying for everything. The
> confusion is because "invite" is the wrong word. If you're paying for
> someone else's costs, what you're doing is treating him/her. Or we
> might just say that you're paying (for him/her).
>

I found the original post confusing, which is why I provided my
understanding of it. Most of the respondents agree with you, and quite
possibly you're all correct.

Note to the original poster: I would reword the question as either:
1. "When I want to invite someone and I want to pay for everything myself,
what should I say?" or
2. "When I want to invite someone but I want us each to pay our own way,
what should I say?"

Alice

Charles Riggs

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May 13, 2003, 2:51:55 AM5/13/03
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On Mon, 12 May 2003 21:35:09 -0400, Robert Lieblich
<Robert....@Verizon.net> wrote:

>Juan Pardillos wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> when somebody is gonna pay and you want to invite him/her, what do you say?
>> I'll pay myself?
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>
>Standard English idiom is "My treat," which means "I will pay for
>both of us." If you are speaking to someone whose English is shaky,
>you can use the literal words: "I will pay for both of us."

I say, "This is on me". I don't often take people with shaky English
to lunch, so there is rarely a misunderstanding.

Gio

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May 13, 2003, 4:41:57 AM5/13/03
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my-wings <night_...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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Excuse my second intrusion into your excellent newsgroup. The word "invite"
is a false friend here - in Spanish, the verb "invitar", as well as having
the obvious meaning, also signifies "to buy". So, "Hoy invito a café" means
"Today I'll buy the coffee" or "Today I'll stand the coffees all round".
So - "I'm paying", "This is on me", "My treat", "Let me take care of this
[the bill]" and many other expressions would convey what Juan Pardillos
probably wanted to say "Yo te invito."

Gio

Juan Pardillos

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May 13, 2003, 11:59:06 AM5/13/03
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I don't understand why "invite" is a false friend of the Spanish
language. You can say: "I invite you to dinner" in English, right? So
I think the meaning is the same... Am I wrong?

Thanks

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Gio

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May 13, 2003, 1:22:13 PM5/13/03
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Forgive me for not being clear. When I wrote '"invite" is a false friend
here', the word 'here' meant 'in this context'. Your use of 'invite' in "I
invite you to dinner" is perfect - although we'd probably say (Brit. Eng.)
"I'm inviting you to dinner" or "I'd like to invite you to dinner" - can't
comment on Am. Eng. However, in the sense of "Yo te invito" that was your
original question, any use of the English word "invite" is, I'm afraid,
incorrect, although heard a lot in Europe from Spanish, French and Italians
when speaking English - for obvious reasons.
"I'm paying" or "I'll pay" with the emphasis on "I'm" or "I'll" is probably
the most concise equivalent.

I hope this helps.

Regards.

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Ross Howard

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May 14, 2003, 5:39:55 AM5/14/03
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On 13 May 2003 08:59:06 -0700, sic...@eresmas.com (Juan Pardillos)
wrote:

>I don't understand why "invite" is a false friend of the Spanish
>language. You can say: "I invite you to dinner" in English, right? So
>I think the meaning is the same... Am I wrong?

I'm going to answer this in Spanish, so that Juan can understand it
easier [*sic*].

El uso de *invite* se limita a cuando invitamos a alguien de antemano
a una fiesta, inauguración, etc. Normalmente llamamos a los invitados
unos días antes, o bien enviamos invitaciones o dejan una lista de
invitados en la puerta. Se trata de un amigo falso porque no usamos
*invite* para pagar la parte de la cuenta que corresponde a otra
persona en un bar o restaurante; para eso usamos "my treat" o -- si
es, por ejemplo, una comida de negocios-- "I'll get/cover the bill".

Para *te invito a cenar* solemos decir algo así como "let's have
dinner -- my treat".

>Thanks

A mandá.

Ross Howard
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(Kick ass for e-mail)

Jerry Friedman

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May 14, 2003, 12:36:55 PM5/14/03
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"Gio" <G...@nipmac.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message news:<b9r9j6$o7s$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>...

> Forgive me for not being clear. When I wrote '"invite" is a false friend
> here', the word 'here' meant 'in this context'. Your use of 'invite' in "I
> invite you to dinner" is perfect - although we'd probably say (Brit. Eng.)
> "I'm inviting you to dinner" or "I'd like to invite you to dinner" - can't
> comment on Am. Eng.

Same in Am. Eng., although using "invite" is probably less common than
other forms such as "Let's have dinner" or "Do you want to have
dinner?"

> However, in the sense of "Yo te invito" that was your
> original question, any use of the English word "invite" is, I'm afraid,
> incorrect, although heard a lot in Europe from Spanish, French and Italians
> when speaking English - for obvious reasons.

I've also heard it from an Iranian. Could "invite" in this sense be
like the non-existent "substract"--a mistake that many non-native
speakers make although their origins are different?

> "I'm paying" or "I'll pay" with the emphasis on "I'm" or "I'll" is probably
> the most concise equivalent.
>
> I hope this helps.

...

> > Thanks
> >
> > "Gio" <G...@nipmac.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:<b9qb3m$70d$1...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>...

...

> > > Excuse my second intrusion into your excellent newsgroup.

...

It's impossible to intrude into a newsgroup, and not *too* many of us
will object to your posts' being helpful and on topic. Welcome! (Not
that it's my newsgroup, either.)

--
Jerry Friedman

Oliver Cromm

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May 14, 2003, 4:26:54 PM5/14/03
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Quoth Jerry Friedman:

>> However, in the sense of "Yo te invito" that was your
>> original question, any use of the English word "invite" is, I'm
>> afraid, incorrect, although heard a lot in Europe from Spanish,
>> French and Italians when speaking English - for obvious reasons.
>
> I've also heard it from an Iranian.

You can use the relevant verb ("einladen") in this sense in German,
too.

--
Oliver Cromm
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