Post Consumer...
marcka...@gmail.com
Would anybody be able to clarify the correct way to write 'Post
Consumer'?
According to The Association of Postconsumer Plastic Recyclers, it's
one word.
I've also seen it seperated with a hyphen, 'Post-Consumer'.
Then there is the two word option - 'Post Consumer'.
The context I'm using the word(s) in is: This letterhead is printed on
100% postconsumer waste, created with the use of wind power and an
environmentally friendly chlorine free process.
Would be great to hear/read your thoughts.
Thanks,
Marc
Oleg Lego
I am a post consumer. I use them when building fences.
HVS
It's a relatively new term, so it's up to you; but I'd go with the
Association's usage on the basis that they're at least an
acknowledged body.
FWIW, I'd put a comma after "environmentally friendly", and would
hypheneate "chlorine-free".
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Peter Moylan
> On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 06:27:20 -0700, marcka...@gmail.com posted:
>> The context I'm using the word(s) in is: This letterhead is printed
>> on 100% postconsumer waste, created with the use of wind power and
>> an environmentally friendly chlorine free process.
>>
>> Would be great to hear/read your thoughts.
>
> I am a post consumer. I use them when building fences.
Since it was about letterheads, I guessed that it might have something
to do with users of the postal system.
I was gobsmacked to discover that "postconsumer" really does occur in
two dictionaries known to OneLook. (My initial impulse was to tell the
OP "if you're going to make up words, you can spell them however you
like.") I had never heard of the word before, with or without hyphen,
and would have had trouble working out its meaning if I hadn't looked it
up. Apparently postconsumer waste is waste made from recycled materials.
By analogy, I guess that preconsumer waste is waste that has not yet
been sold in the retail market.
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HVS
> I was gobsmacked to discover that "postconsumer" really does
> occur in two dictionaries known to OneLook.
And to the OED, which dates it to 1971, as well as Collins -- both of
which hyphenate it.
> (My initial impulse
> was to tell the OP "if you're going to make up words, you can
> spell them however you like.") I had never heard of the word
> before, with or without hyphen, and would have had trouble
> working out its meaning if I hadn't looked it up. Apparently
> postconsumer waste is waste made from recycled materials.
Made "into", not "from", m'lud: once it's been recycled, it's no
longer waste.
-snip-
I realise that your initial impulse was in keeping with the geneeral
reaction in AUE against any and all functional neologisms, but
"postconsumer waste" strikes me as an entirely accurate term to
describe "stuff that's been discarded by consumers -- as opposed to
industrial/production waste -- after it's been collected but before
it's been recycled into something else".
Mike Lyle
I'm with Harvey (not quoted here) on this, but is it important to reveal
that it's "postconsumer" scrap? But the whole slogan needs rewriting,
and it isn't an easy job. For a start, the letterhead isn't printed on
waste; then, I personally dislike seeing "create" used instead of
"make"; and maybe "environmentally friendly chlorine free process" is
too heavy. Altogether, far too much information, perhaps?
"100% recycled paper, made using wind power and without chlorine."
Or, for a complete sentence,
"This is 100% recycled paper, made. . ."
I'm not perfectly happy with my suggestions, but they're the cleanest I
can produce at this speed.
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Peter Duncanson
<pe...@DIESPAMMERSDIEpmoylan.org> wrote:
>Oleg Lego wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 06:27:20 -0700, marcka...@gmail.com posted:
>
>>> The context I'm using the word(s) in is: This letterhead is printed
>>> on 100% postconsumer waste, created with the use of wind power and
>>> an environmentally friendly chlorine free process.
>>>
>>> Would be great to hear/read your thoughts.
>>
>> I am a post consumer. I use them when building fences.
>
>Since it was about letterheads, I guessed that it might have something
>to do with users of the postal system.
>
>I was gobsmacked to discover that "postconsumer" really does occur in
>two dictionaries known to OneLook. (My initial impulse was to tell the
>OP "if you're going to make up words, you can spell them however you
>like.") I had never heard of the word before, with or without hyphen,
>and would have had trouble working out its meaning if I hadn't looked it
>up. Apparently postconsumer waste is waste made from recycled materials.
<smile> Not quite.
>By analogy, I guess that preconsumer waste is waste that has not yet
>been sold in the retail market.
There are definitions at this DENIX[1] page:
https://www.denix.osd.mil/denix/Public/ES-Programs/Pollution/Procurement/GPP/menuitem8.html
Postconsumer Material - a material or finished product whose
life as a consumer item has concluded, after having served its
intended use and being discarded for disposal or recovery.
"Postconsumer material" is a part of the broader category of
"recovered materials."
Recovered Material - waste materials and by-products recovered
or diverted from solid waste, excluding those materials and
by-products generated from, and commonly reused within an
original manufacturing process.
Postconsumer Waste - a material or product discarded for
disposal after passing through the hands of a final user, having
served its intended purpose. Postconsumer waste is part of the
broader category "recycled material."
Recycled Material - a material utilized in place of raw or
virgin material in product manufacturing consisting of materials
derived from postconsumer waste, industrial scrap, material
derived from agricultural wastes, and other items, all of which
can be used in new product manufacture.
[1] "Defense Environmental Network & Information eXchange (DENIX), a
comprehensive resource for [US] Defense Installations and
Environmental Communities".
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
Garrett Wollman
Mike Lyle <mike_l...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>I'm with Harvey (not quoted here) on this, but is it important to reveal
>that it's "postconsumer" scrap?
Probably. (Although I would use the hyphenated form and not a
runtogetherword.)
"Post-consumer" means that it was diverted from the waste stream
(which would otherwise have gone into a landfill or incinerator).
"Pre-consumer" waste, if such a term can be used, is generally waste
in a manufacturing process that would have been recycled anyway, and
so has no warm fuzzies associated with it.
-GAWollman
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of MIT or CSAIL. | our history. - S.J. Gould, Ten Thousand Acts of Kindness
Mark Brader
> According to The Association of Postconsumer Plastic Recyclers, it's
> one word.
>
> I've also seen it seperated with a hyphen, 'Post-Consumer'.
I've only seen it used with the hyphen, but I don't see it very often.
The natural evolution of such expressions these days is for the hyphens
to disappear with time, so one cannot object to the Association's
version.
> Then there is the two word option - 'Post Consumer'.
No, there isn't. "Post" in this sense is a prefix, not a word.
> The context I'm using the word(s) in is: This letterhead is printed on
> 100% postconsumer waste, created with the use of wind power and an
> environmentally friendly chlorine free process.
This describes the step of turning the waste paper into new paper, but
neglects to actually mention it. So it sounds as if the consumers
created the waste paper using wind power and the chlorine-free process
and you just printed your letterhead onto the waste paper. Actually,
there's no reason to mention the letterhead at all. You want:
This paper was created from 100% postconsumer waste using wind power
and an environmentally friendly, chlorine-free process.
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Adrian Bailey
news:1182691640.3...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> Hello,
>
> Would anybody be able to clarify the correct way to write 'Post
> Consumer'?
>
> According to The Association of Postconsumer Plastic Recyclers, it's
> one word.
>
> I've also seen it seperated with a hyphen, 'Post-Consumer'.
>
> Then there is the two word option - 'Post Consumer'.
That's not an option, that's wrong.
> The context I'm using the word(s) in is: This letterhead is printed on
> 100% postconsumer waste, created with the use of wind power and an
> environmentally friendly chlorine free process.
>
> Would be great to hear/read your thoughts.
I think new terms are usually better hyphenated. Going straight to
agglutination courts confusion.
Adrian
Mark Brader
> I think new terms are usually better hyphenated. Going straight to
> agglutination courts confusion.
Can we at least appeal the decision to the agglutination court? :-)
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Toronto | means the individual referred to in paragraph (i)."
m...@vex.net | -- Income Tax Act of Canada (1972-94), 108(1)(h)
marcka...@gmail.com
Thank you all for your thoughts.
Much appreciated.
Marc
Jeff Chapman
> Would anybody be able to clarify the correct way to write 'Post
> Consumer'?
>
> According to The Association of Postconsumer Plastic Recyclers, it's
> one word.
> Would be great to hear/read your thoughts.
Post-consumer (along with Certified Pre-Owned) should be sent back to the
dustbins of the Marketing Department. "Used" is sufficient, and even allows
us to rename ourselves to the Association of Used-Plastic Recyclers. At
least for those of us that push shopping carts along in the wee hours of the
morning to pick plastic bottles out of the blue recycling bins....
Certified Pre-Owned,
Jeff
Peter Moylan
I'm still struggling to understand why it matters. Does a Postconsumer
Plastic Recycler employ an inspector who checks the incoming plastic and
rejects anything that turns out not to be used? If somebody discovers
that they're not rejecting the unused stuff, will they be expelled from
the Association? What's so special about "used"?
OK, I suppose it matters to somebody who is in the business of selling
rubbish. If the postconsumer waste is collected from the McRestrooms and
turned back into preconsumer waste, then of course the distinction
matters: you can ask customers to pay for preconsumer waste. With
plastics or paper, who cares?
On occasion I will throw a pile of A4 paper into the recycling bin, and
it might well happen that, because I haven't checked carefully enough,
one or more of the sheets will be blank. Does that blank page need
special treatment by the recyclers? If not, is there any point at all in
distinguishing between "paper recyclers" and "used-paper recyclers"?
Mark Brader
> > Post-consumer (along with Certified Pre-Owned) should be sent back to
Not the same thing. Seen below.
Peter Moylan:
> I'm still struggling to understand why it matters.
This was explained earlier in the thread. It matters if you believe
that recycling of what would otherwise become household garbage is a
good thing, because it contributes to that.
> Does a Postconsumer Plastic Recycler employ an inspector who checks
> the incoming plastic and rejects anything that turns out not to be used?
No, they employ someone who arranges to collect the incoming plastic
from the city's garbage department rather than from factories where
the plastic is used as a raw material and some of it is cut off and
discarded.
> On occasion I will throw a pile of A4 paper into the recycling bin, and
> it might well happen that, because I haven't checked carefully enough,
> one or more of the sheets will be blank.
And that's still post-consumer waste even though the paper hasn't
been used. See? Not the same thing.
> Does that blank page need special treatment by the recyclers?
What it needs is a different process to *get it to* the recyclers,
i.e. collection by the city's garbage department or whoever deals with
recycling bins where you live. If the paper-recyclers themselves produce
trimmings in the process of getting the finished paper to be exactly A4
size, those trimmings are already on the premises and they can just dump
them back into the input bin. That's sensible, but they'd do it anyway:
it doesn't contribute to garbage reduction.
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Mike Lyle
[...]
> On occasion I will throw a pile of A4 paper into the recycling bin,
> and it might well happen that, because I haven't checked carefully
> enough, one or more of the sheets will be blank. Does that blank page
> need special treatment by the recyclers? If not, is there any point
> at all in distinguishing between "paper recyclers" and "used-paper
> recyclers"?
The point is in the level of the cycle described. Somebody yesterday
mentioned that "pre-consumer" waste would generally be used as a matter
of course by the industry; this material appears in due course as a
newspaper, motor-car, or sausage. It's then that a "post-consumer" stage
offers the material the choice between becoming land-fill, eyesore, or
beach pollution on the one hand, and virtuous green reprocessing or
compost on the other. I can see why a material might want to boast about
how far down the process it came from.