aue dead?

[Steve Hayes]

For the first time in my memory, when I downloaded headers for newsgroups
after getting up this morning, there was nothing, absolutely nothing, in aue.

Plenty to read in other newsgroups (though nothing apparently worth
downloading bodies for), but nothing at all in aue, not even from Guy Barry.





--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

[Snidely]

Steve Hayes presented the following explanation :

> For the first time in my memory, when I downloaded headers for newsgroups
> after getting up this morning, there was nothing, absolutely nothing, in aue.
>
> Plenty to read in other newsgroups (though nothing apparently worth
> downloading bodies for), but nothing at all in aue, not even from Guy Barry.

You must have been off your feed today. There's plenty of fresh stuff
om my plate, including

From: "Guy Barry" <guy....@blueyonder.co.uk>
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
References: <ltd3h9$5oq$2...@news.albasani.net>
<gpklv9ln2qpa1qodj...@4ax.com>
In-Reply-To: <gpklv9ln2qpa1qodj...@4ax.com>
Subject: Re: 'symptom' vs. 'sign'
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reply-type=original
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X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 10:00:56 +0100

/dps

--
Killing a mouse was hardly a Nobel Prize-worthy exercise, and Lawrence
went apopleptic when he learned a lousy rodent had peed away all his
precious heavy water.
_The Disappearing Spoon_, Sam Kean

[Guy Barry]

"Steve Hayes" wrote in message
news:586ov9dhp9tbmdjio...@4ax.com...

>
>For the first time in my memory, when I downloaded headers for newsgroups
>after getting up this morning, there was nothing, absolutely nothing, in
>aue.
>
>Plenty to read in other newsgroups (though nothing apparently worth
>downloading bodies for), but nothing at all in aue, not even from Guy
>Barry.

Well I'm still here, and I downloaded 196 headers this morning. Must be a
fault at your end.

--
Guy Barry

[Steve Hayes]

On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 07:23:17 +0200, Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:

>For the first time in my memory, when I downloaded headers for newsgroups
>after getting up this morning, there was nothing, absolutely nothing, in aue.
>
>Plenty to read in other newsgroups (though nothing apparently worth
>downloading bodies for), but nothing at all in aue, not even from Guy Barry.

And half an hour later, the usual number of postings came through, so scratch
the question then.

[R H Draney]

Steve Hayes filted:

>
>On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 07:23:17 +0200, Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>
>>For the first time in my memory, when I downloaded headers for newsgroups
>>after getting up this morning, there was nothing, absolutely nothing, in aue.
>>
>>Plenty to read in other newsgroups (though nothing apparently worth
>>downloading bodies for), but nothing at all in aue, not even from Guy Barry.
>
>And half an hour later, the usual number of postings came through, so scratch
>the question then.

Whoever was standing on the hose earlier must've moved....r


--
Me? Sarcastic?
Yeah, right.

[Tony Cooper]

On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 09:31:54 +0200, Steve Hayes

<haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:

>On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 07:23:17 +0200, Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>
>>For the first time in my memory, when I downloaded headers for newsgroups
>>after getting up this morning, there was nothing, absolutely nothing, in aue.
>>
>>Plenty to read in other newsgroups (though nothing apparently worth
>>downloading bodies for), but nothing at all in aue, not even from Guy Barry.
>
>And half an hour later, the usual number of postings came through, so scratch
>the question then.

The Gods that control your newsgroup feed were off in the corner
having a laugh about Guy's series of posts about how stylish, witty,
and interesting the current crop of postings are in which he said -
repeatedly - nothing of interest in a manner devoid of wit.

Syntaxia - the Goddess of Order - and Contexium - the God of Content -
got into a brawl over the meaning of the word "ironic" as used
panpondially. Synonymia and Antonymia - the twin Goddesses of Jasonry
- tried to intervene, but they were ruled ineligible as mediators by
Linguistium, the God's God. Linguistium sent them all down to the
netherworld of Scilangia for a time-out and your feed was restored.




--
Tony Cooper - Orlando FL

[Steve Hayes]

On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:52:45 -0400, Tony Cooper <tonyco...@gmail.com>

If only they'd stayed there!

[Harrison Hill]

On Tuesday, 26 August 2014 06:23:17 UTC+1, Steve Hayes wrote:
> For the first time in my memory, when I downloaded headers for newsgroups
> after getting up this morning, there was nothing, absolutely nothing, in aue.
> Plenty to read in other newsgroups (though nothing apparently worth
> downloading bodies for), but nothing at all in aue, not even from Guy Barry.

At some stage this group will have to relocate from dead/dormant Usenet to Facebook, or wherever it is going next. A move for Donna to organise perhaps?

[Bertel Lund Hansen]

Harrison Hill skrev:

> At some stage this group will have to relocate from
> dead/dormant Usenet to Facebook, or wherever it is going next.

I am going nowhere where I have to give away so many rights as
you have to at Facebook.

--
bertel.lundhansen.dk fiduso.dk obese.dk

[Mike L]

On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 12:31:03 +0000 (UTC), Lewis
<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>Okay, so one time? In band camp? Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net> was all, like:
> --> Tue, 26 Aug 2014 07:23:17 +0200 <586ov9dhp9tbmdjio...@4ax.com>

>> For the first time in my memory, when I downloaded headers for newsgroups
>> after getting up this morning, there was nothing, absolutely nothing, in aue.
>
>> Plenty to read in other newsgroups (though nothing apparently worth
>> downloading bodies for), but nothing at all in aue, not even from Guy Barry.
>

>Clearly an indication that something is awry.

You've reminded me of a childhood misle: for some time I thought
"awry" rhymed with "glory".

--
Mike.

[Jennifer Murphy]

On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 00:32:52 +0200, Bertel Lund Hansen
<gade...@lundhansen.dk> wrote:

>Harrison Hill skrev:
>
>> At some stage this group will have to relocate from
>> dead/dormant Usenet to Facebook, or wherever it is going next.
>
>I am going nowhere where I have to give away so many rights as
>you have to at Facebook.

Or where they are so deceptive (dishonest, really) about what those
rights even are or when they mught change them.

[Robert Bannister]

On 27/08/2014 6:32 am, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> Harrison Hill skrev:
>
>> At some stage this group will have to relocate from
>> dead/dormant Usenet to Facebook, or wherever it is going next.
>
> I am going nowhere where I have to give away so many rights as
> you have to at Facebook.
>

Once Google's got your name, you are known to every spy agency in the
world, plus quite a few retailers. Facebook alone is relatively mild, so
long as you control who sees your page, which is not hard to do.

--
Robert Bannister - 1940-71 SE England
1972-now W Australia

[Guy Barry]

"Harrison Hill" wrote in message
news:e4881208-f9f9-420a...@googlegroups.com...

Donna hasn't posted here for some time. The intro documents are posted
automatically under her name.

Why do you think that Facebook would be appropriate for this group? I can't
see it fitting there at all. I sometimes think we might be better off on a
Web forum though.

--
Guy Barry

[Richard Yates]

My best friend at 10 years old thought the same thing and I was
pleased to be able to mock him for it.

[Steve Hayes]

Yeccccch!

Why move from a platform that works to one that is totally unsuited to the
purpose?

A lot of people moved from rec.arts.books to Facebook, which killed it in both
places. The only active one on Facebook is the one who suggested the move.

[Peter Moylan]

Didn't we all? I suspect that it's one of the more common misles.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org

[Peter Moylan]

If that ever happens, I'm out of here.

[Bertel Lund Hansen]

Peter Moylan skrev:

>> You've reminded me of a childhood misle: for some time I thought
>> "awry" rhymed with "glory".

> Didn't we all? I suspect that it's one of the more common misles.

I'm not trying to be a smartarse, and you will find many mistakes
that I have made while learning English, but it never occured to
me to try an ory-pronunciation of "awry". I don't know why,
because I can see that it is logical. I guess that I knew some
a-words before I met "awry" (amiss, aforementioned, anew ...)

--
bertel.lundhansen.dk fiduso.dk obese.dk

[Bertel Lund Hansen]

Robert Bannister skrev:

>> I am going nowhere where I have to give away so many rights as
>> you have to at Facebook.

> Once Google's got your name, you are known to every spy agency in the
> world, plus quite a few retailers.

I am aware of that.

> Facebook alone is relatively mild,

No, it's not. You think about what users have access to. I think
about what Facebook is allowed to do with whatever you submit to
your profile. Just an example: You may find that your picture is
used in Hongkong in a commercial promoting Viagra.

> so long as you control who sees your page, which is not hard to
> do.

You have no control whatsoever over what Facebook does with your
data - those entered by you and those derived from your use. Read
section 2.1 in their conditions. I cannot quote them because I am
forced to see the Danish version.

--
bertel.lundhansen.dk fiduso.dk obese.dk

[Bertel Lund Hansen]

Peter Moylan skrev:

>> At some stage this group will have to relocate from
>> dead/dormant Usenet to Facebook, or wherever it is going
>> next. A move for Donna to organise perhaps?

> If that ever happens, I'm out of here.

Hm ... if that ever happens, I'll stay here.

--
bertel.lundhansen.dk fiduso.dk obese.dk

[Peter Moylan]

On 27/08/14 18:45, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> Peter Moylan skrev:
>
>>> At some stage this group will have to relocate from
>>> dead/dormant Usenet to Facebook, or wherever it is going
>>> next. A move for Donna to organise perhaps?
>
>> If that ever happens, I'm out of here.
>
> Hm ... if that ever happens, I'll stay here.

Oh, well. I never expected to please everyone.

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

+1


--
athel

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

I did, certainly, and as with "misled" I knew both words, but made no
connection between the one I heard and the one I read.


--
athel

[Mike Barnes]

Harrison Hill wrote:
> At some stage this group will have to relocate from dead/dormant
> Usenet to Facebook, or wherever it is going next.

Nowhere, I suspect.

> A move for Donna to organise perhaps?

I think Donna has already jumped ship, unless someone knows otherwise.

--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England

[Steve Hayes]

<Applause>

[Anton Shepelev]

Harrison Hill:

> At some stage this group will have to relocate
> from dead/dormant Usenet to Facebook, or wherever
> it is going next.

Would that clever people from undead/bloated Fake-
book would migrate to thriving Usenet.

--
() ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail
/\ http://preview.tinyurl.com/qcy6mjc [archived]

[Oliver Cromm]

* Bertel Lund Hansen:

So did I, but I didn't know the suitable meaning of "wry".
Actually, until I looked it up right now, the "wry humor" meaning
was the only one I knew. I always assumed this meaning in "wry
smile" as well, but M-W disagrees, giving "wry smile" as example
for "bent or twisted shape". Is ist still used in this more
general sense, when no humor or irony is involved?

--
'Ah yes, we got that keyboard from Small Gods when they threw out
their organ. Unfortunately for complex theological reasons they
would only give us the white keys, so we can only program in C'.
Colin Fine in sci.lang

[Oliver Cromm]

* Peter Moylan:

Yes, here. And as a non-native, I kept it up for quite some time,
probably over a decade. Some of these are hard to get over.

--
Smith & Wesson--the original point and click interface

[John Varela]

On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 06:43:28 UTC, Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org>
wrote:

We in the USA pronounce glory with a long o (first syllable like
"glow"). It's hard to see how one could pronounce awry with a long o
sound.

Our eldest, as a teenager, reported that he had almost fallen into
an abbess. That was how he pronounced abyss.

--
John Varela

[John Varela]

On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 08:44:34 UTC, Bertel Lund Hansen
<gade...@lundhansen.dk> wrote:

> Robert Bannister skrev:
>
> >> I am going nowhere where I have to give away so many rights as
> >> you have to at Facebook.
>
> > Once Google's got your name, you are known to every spy agency in the
> > world, plus quite a few retailers.
>
> I am aware of that.
>
> > Facebook alone is relatively mild,
>
> No, it's not. You think about what users have access to. I think
> about what Facebook is allowed to do with whatever you submit to
> your profile. Just an example: You may find that your picture is
> used in Hongkong in a commercial promoting Viagra.

Everything you put on Usenet is similarly available to anyone to use
or abuse.

> > so long as you control who sees your page, which is not hard to
> > do.
>
> You have no control whatsoever over what Facebook does with your
> data - those entered by you and those derived from your use. Read
> section 2.1 in their conditions. I cannot quote them because I am
> forced to see the Danish version.
>


--

John Varela

[R H Draney]

Oliver Cromm filted:

>
>* Bertel Lund Hansen:
>
>> Peter Moylan skrev:
>>
>>>> You've reminded me of a childhood misle: for some time I thought
>>>> "awry" rhymed with "glory".
>>
>>> Didn't we all? I suspect that it's one of the more common misles.
>>
>> I'm not trying to be a smartarse, and you will find many mistakes
>> that I have made while learning English, but it never occured to
>> me to try an ory-pronunciation of "awry". I don't know why,
>> because I can see that it is logical. I guess that I knew some
>> a-words before I met "awry" (amiss, aforementioned, anew ...)

It was a plot point in an episode of "That Girl" that Ann's father thought the
word should rhyme with "glory", and her boyfriend struggled with the impulse to
correct him (he was a journalist and in that more innocent time would be
expected to know a thing or two about words, but he was after all dating the
man's innocent and virginal only daughter, so he was compelled to tread
lightly)....

>So did I, but I didn't know the suitable meaning of "wry".
>Actually, until I looked it up right now, the "wry humor" meaning
>was the only one I knew. I always assumed this meaning in "wry
>smile" as well, but M-W disagrees, giving "wry smile" as example
>for "bent or twisted shape". Is ist still used in this more
>general sense, when no humor or irony is involved?

I used to go to a chiropractor who treated one of his pet rabbits for "wry
neck"....r


--
Me? Sarcastic?
Yeah, right.

[Robert Bannister]

On 28/08/2014 5:17 am, Oliver Cromm wrote:
> * Peter Moylan:
>
>> On 27/08/14 08:34, Mike L wrote:
>>> On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 12:31:03 +0000 (UTC), Lewis
>>> <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Clearly an indication that something is awry.
>>>
>>> You've reminded me of a childhood misle: for some time I thought
>>> "awry" rhymed with "glory".
>>
>> Didn't we all? I suspect that it's one of the more common misles.
>
> Yes, here. And as a non-native, I kept it up for quite some time,
> probably over a decade. Some of these are hard to get over.
>

I suppose my one - the one I still have - is "analogous", which by
analogy with "analogy", I pronounce with a soft G, which in turn prompts
me to spell it "analogeous". Perhaps I am too anal, but the word doesn't
come up often enough to make me change.

[Robert Bannister]

You don't have to enter all those intimate secrets in your profile. Of
course, everyone can see your photo (if you submit one) and your address
(if correct), but once your name is known to the Internet, your age,
date of birth, address, etc. is probably known to the world very soon
afterwards anyway and Facebook is no way worse than the others. If you
only publish stuff to your friends or family or other stipulated group
on FB, then that is who sees it and nobody else. I have looked at a
number of people's Profiles where the only visible thing is a name and
an empty photo holder. Google is the biggest danger because of the way
it tries to link everything - your searches, your maps, any blogs you
have looked at and then there is Google+, which keeps trying to capture
me - it already appears to have a fairly complete profile of me even
though I have not joined.

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 5:26:51 PM UTC-4, John Varela wrote:

> We in the USA pronounce glory with a long o (first syllable like
> "glow"). It's hard to see how one could pronounce awry with a long o
> sound.

No, "We in the USA" don't. Maybe in your dialect or your idiolect you
do. Most of us use [O] as in "claw."

[John Dawkins]

In article <53fd99eb$0$303$1472...@news.sunsite.dk>,

Bertel Lund Hansen <gade...@lundhansen.dk> wrote:

> Robert Bannister skrev:
>
> >> I am going nowhere where I have to give away so many rights as
> >> you have to at Facebook.
>
> > Once Google's got your name, you are known to every spy agency in the
> > world, plus quite a few retailers.
>
> I am aware of that.
>
> > Facebook alone is relatively mild,
>
> No, it's not. You think about what users have access to. I think
> about what Facebook is allowed to do with whatever you submit to
> your profile. Just an example: You may find that your picture is
> used in Hongkong in a commercial promoting Viagra.

Did they use your good side?

> > so long as you control who sees your page, which is not hard to
> > do.
>
> You have no control whatsoever over what Facebook does with your
> data - those entered by you and those derived from your use. Read
> section 2.1 in their conditions. I cannot quote them because I am
> forced to see the Danish version.
--

J.

[Snidely]

On Wednesday or thereabouts, John Varela posited ...

> On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 06:43:28 UTC, Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org>
> wrote:
>> On 27/08/14 08:34, Mike L wrote:

>> You've reminded me of a childhood misle: for some time I thought
>>> "awry" rhymed with "glory".
>>
>> Didn't we all? I suspect that it's one of the more common misles.
>
> We in the USA pronounce glory with a long o (first syllable like
> "glow").

We do? My internal auditor says I use the 'o' in "ore" (or in "fore"
or "or"). I think that's more [A] than [aU], judging by Evan's
Appendix F.

> It's hard to see how one could pronounce awry with a long o
> sound.
>
> Our eldest, as a teenager, reported that he had almost fallen into
> an abbess. That was how he pronounced abyss.

Eppa Toam. (Actually, I had 2 words in my vocabulary that were similar
in meaning and shape but separate in sound. It's amazing what you then
discover when you read aloud.)

/dps

--
"I am not given to exaggeration, and when I say a thing I mean it"
_Roughing It_, Mark Twain

[Guy Barry]

"Oliver Cromm" wrote in message
news:w5j2e24q...@mid.crommatograph.info...
>
>* Bertel Lund Hansen:

>> I'm not trying to be a smartarse, and you will find many mistakes
>> that I have made while learning English, but it never occured to
>> me to try an ory-pronunciation of "awry". I don't know why,
>> because I can see that it is logical. I guess that I knew some
>> a-words before I met "awry" (amiss, aforementioned, anew ...)
>
>So did I, but I didn't know the suitable meaning of "wry".
>Actually, until I looked it up right now, the "wry humor" meaning
>was the only one I knew. I always assumed this meaning in "wry
>smile" as well, but M-W disagrees, giving "wry smile" as example
>for "bent or twisted shape". Is ist still used in this more
>general sense, when no humor or irony is involved?

I didn't know the "bent or twisted" meaning of "wry" either, and like you
I'd never understood the connection between "wry" and "awry". Did this
meaning in fact precede the meaning of "using dry humour"? I'm guessing
that "a wry smile" may first have referred to the shape of the mouth, and
the meaning was then transferred to the type of humour that might have
brought about the smile.

--
Guy Barry

[Guy Barry]

"John Varela" wrote in message
news:51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-OUT1u9Bysr9p@localhost...

>
>On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 06:43:28 UTC, Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org>
>wrote:
>
>> On 27/08/14 08:34, Mike L wrote:
>
>> You've reminded me of a childhood misle: for some time I thought
>> > "awry" rhymed with "glory".
>>
>> Didn't we all? I suspect that it's one of the more common misles.
>
>We in the USA pronounce glory with a long o (first syllable like
>"glow"). It's hard to see how one could pronounce awry with a long o
>sound.

Well I'm not going to contradict you, but I've often heard Americans singing
"The Battle Hymn of the Republic", and they always seem to give it the "aw"
vowel[*], as in this recording:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrG0AwUJQDQ

[*] As pronounced by those without the cot-caught merger, i.e. [O].

--
Guy Barry

[Guy Barry]

"Robert Bannister" wrote in message
news:c678f4...@mid.individual.net...

>I suppose my one - the one I still have - is "analogous", which by analogy
>with "analogy", I pronounce with a soft G, which in turn prompts me to
>spell it "analogeous". Perhaps I am too anal, but the word doesn't come up
>often enough to make me change.

I hear that error quite often. I suspect many speakers learned the word
"analogy" before "analogous".

--
Guy Barry

[John Dawkins]

In article <LlCLv.99939$_u1....@fx30.am4>,

Is the "aw" vowel what you hear in "sorry"? To my ear the "o" in the
"glory" in your youtube clip is the same as that in "Lord", "stored",
and "sword" but not the same as "sorry".
--
J.

[Guy Barry]

"John Dawkins" wrote in message
news:artfldodgr-7E499...@news.individual.net...

>
>In article <LlCLv.99939$_u1....@fx30.am4>,
> "Guy Barry" <guy....@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> "John Varela" wrote in message
>> news:51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-OUT1u9Bysr9p@localhost...

>> >We in the USA pronounce glory with a long o (first syllable like
>> >"glow"). It's hard to see how one could pronounce awry with a long o
>> >sound.
>>
>> Well I'm not going to contradict you, but I've often heard Americans
>> singing
>> "The Battle Hymn of the Republic", and they always seem to give it the
>> "aw"
>> vowel[*], as in this recording:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrG0AwUJQDQ
>>
>> [*] As pronounced by those without the cot-caught merger, i.e. [O].
>
>Is the "aw" vowel what you hear in "sorry"?

No, my "sorry" vowel is the British short "o" vowel that's been a bone of
contention on this group for longer than I care to remember, written as [A.]
in ASCII IPA. American speakers don't appear to have it.

>To my ear the "o" in the
>"glory" in your youtube clip is the same as that in "Lord", "stored",
>and "sword" but not the same as "sorry".

I agree with you - they're all [O] for me.

--
Guy Barry

[Oliver Cromm]

* Robert Bannister:

That sounds like me being angry at "ascertain" for denying its
relationship with "certain". Took me 20+ years to find out that
one.

--
Are you sure your sanity chip is fully screwed in?
-- Kryten to Rimmer (Red Dwarf)

[Robert Bannister]

On 28/08/2014 5:01 pm, Guy Barry wrote:

> I didn't know the "bent or twisted" meaning of "wry" either, and like
> you I'd never understood the connection between "wry" and "awry". Did
> this meaning in fact precede the meaning of "using dry humour"? I'm
> guessing that "a wry smile" may first have referred to the shape of the
> mouth, and the meaning was then transferred to the type of humour that
> might have brought about the smile.
>

I certainly don't see "wry humour" as being identical to "dry humour".
The twisted nature is because "wry humour" (for me, at least) is a
quirky kind of humour. Now, after a bit of googling, I find quite some
disagreement among dictionaries. They all agree on the distorted/twisted
part, but:

(from yourdictionary.com)
adjective

The definition of wry is a mocking, biting or sarcastic sort of
humor, or an unpleasant facial expression used to indicate displeasure.

An example of wry humor is a sarcastic joke.
An example of a wry expression is when you wrinkle up your face
when you taste something you dislike.

As far as I am concerned, the above is totally wrong.

One of the Collins dictionaries gives:
adjective wrier, wriest, wryer, wryest
1. twisted, contorted, or askew
2. (of a facial expression) produced or characterized by contorting of
the features, usually indicating dislike
3. drily humorous; sardonic

the last part of which agrees with your statement as does the Wikipedia
article on "deadpan":

Deadpan is a form of comic delivery in which humor is presented without
a change in emotion or body language. It is usually spoken in a casual,
monotone, or cantankerous voice, and expresses a calm, sincere, or grave
demeanor, often in spite of the ridiculousness of the subject matter.
This delivery is also called dry humor or dry wit, when the intent, but
not the presentation, is humorous, blunt, oblique, sarcastic, laconic,
or apparently unintentional.

As you can see from the spelling, this is an American view and I found a
number of American sites that equate wry humour with sarcasm. For
myself, I rather liked this one from vocabulary.com:

Wry is derived from the Old English wrigian, which means, "to turn or
bend." Think of twisted humor that is dry and sarcastic. A wry sense of
humor is one that is askew and completely different from a more
traditional sense of humor--a wry joke is one that finds a unique angle
of comedy.

I think it's a case of my taking "wry humour" as being something
delivered with a wry smile while others take it as deadpan.

[John Varela]

Are you asserting that the Mormon Tabernacle Choir sings
"Mine eyes have seen the glawry of the coming of the Lord"? Not on
the recording I have. Neither does Odetta. So counting all the choir
members that's about 100 of us anyway who pronounce glory as
glow-ree.

--
John Varela

[Robert Bannister]

I learnt the word "Outremer" a long time ago when reading stories about
the Crusades. When I learned French, I realised why it meant what it
does and also how it is pronounced. Nevertheless, when reading, my
mental pronunciation to myself is still "out" as in "outside" plus
"reamer" as in "dreamer".

[John Varela]

And if you use gmail they scan your emails.

--
John Varela

[Peter T. Daniels]

When did the Mormon Tabernacle Choir spin off a chamber group?
Have you never seen a photograph of it?

If that's an example of Varela's "good old days," the group is lucky
some "assholes" (whoever they may be) came along to deal with his,
er, lapses.

But Varela seems to be one of those anti-Cunninghamers laboring
under the bizarre belief that respellings, rather than phonetic
notation, indicate anything about the pronunciations he's so
exercised about.

Moreover, as has repeatedly been pointed out, pronunciations in
singing are mormally quite artificial and do not represent the
spoken dialect of the singers;

more further over, Salt Lake City is firmly in the cot/caught
merger region, and most of the members of the Mormon Tabernacle
Choir are local people, and in order not to sound like hicks to
the rest of the world, they have to be taught to sing [glOrij]
and not [glarij], and a way of doing that is to have them sing
[glowrij] (which is as close as they can get to Standard English
[glOrij]).

[Steve Hayes]

On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 08:51:19 +0800, Robert Bannister <rob...@clubtelco.com>
wrote:

I agree with you, and, like you, disagree totally with yourdictionary.com.

I certainly don't think of wry humor as mocking, biting or sarcastic.

And a wry smile I think of as a kind of half smile, or smiling with half your
mouth, which would make your mouth look crooked.

[Guy Barry]

"John Varela" wrote in message

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>
>On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 01:53:19 UTC, "Peter T. Daniels"
><gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 5:26:51 PM UTC-4, John Varela wrote:
>>
>> > We in the USA pronounce glory with a long o (first syllable like
>> > "glow"). It's hard to see how one could pronounce awry with a long o
>> > sound.
>>
>> No, "We in the USA" don't. Maybe in your dialect or your idiolect you
>> do. Most of us use [O] as in "claw."
>
>Are you asserting that the Mormon Tabernacle Choir sings
>"Mine eyes have seen the glawry of the coming of the Lord"?

Most definitely yes (where "aw" means the vowel as pronounced by those of us
without the cot-caught merger):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSiVjlknuSw

It's certainly not the same vowel as in "glow" to my ears. I appreciate
that cot-caught mergerers wouldn't spell it as "aw" but as far as I'm
concerned they're singing the same vowel in "glory" as in "Lord".

--
Guy Barry

[Guy Barry]

"Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message
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>more further over, Salt Lake City is firmly in the cot/caught
>merger region,

How does the cot/caught merger affect the pronunciation of "glory"? I
thought "glory" was in either the NORTH or the FORCE set, and that people
with the merger used [O] for those sets (though not for the THOUGHT set).

>and most of the members of the Mormon Tabernacle
>Choir are local people, and in order not to sound like hicks to
>the rest of the world, they have to be taught to sing [glOrij]
>and not [glarij], and a way of doing that is to have them sing
>[glowrij] (which is as close as they can get to Standard English
>[glOrij]).

I really wish you'd stick to the ASCII IPA conventions for these glides.
The usual symbol for the GenAm long "o" is [oU], not [ow].

Are you saying that there are dialects of AmE that don't have the [O] vowel
at all? In previous discussions on this group I was led to believe that "o"
was universally pronounced like that before an "r", except in a few words
like "sorry" and "tomorrow". Are there AmE speakers who would rhyme "glory"
with "sorry"?

--
Guy Barry

[Steve Hayes]

On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 10:02:09 +0100, "Guy Barry" <guy....@blueyonder.co.uk>
wrote:

It took about two minutes before I could hear any words at all, but then
definitely the "aw" vowel as in "claw" and not the "ow" vowel (as in "glow").

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Friday, August 29, 2014 5:16:58 AM UTC-4, Guy Barry wrote:
> "Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message
> news:76604e96-27c2-4fbb...@googlegroups.com...

> >more further over, Salt Lake City is firmly in the cot/caught
> >merger region,
>
> How does the cot/caught merger affect the pronunciation of "glory"? I
> thought "glory" was in either the NORTH or the FORCE set, and that people
> with the merger used [O] for those sets (though not for the THOUGHT set).

I am reminded of my Southern Idaho, "jack-Mormon" [equivalent to "lapsed
Catholic"], office-mate's account of her girlhood dialectal "Lard, I put
too much lord in the skillet!" (indicating not a merge but a swap), which
was apparently a marker phrase (like "Throw papa down the stairs his
suspenders!" for Pennsylvania Dutch English).

> >and most of the members of the Mormon Tabernacle
> >Choir are local people, and in order not to sound like hicks to
> >the rest of the world, they have to be taught to sing [glOrij]
> >and not [glarij], and a way of doing that is to have them sing
> >[glowrij] (which is as close as they can get to Standard English
> >[glOrij]).
>
> I really wish you'd stick to the ASCII IPA conventions for these glides.
> The usual symbol for the GenAm long "o" is [oU], not [ow].

"Usual" in Britain, maybe. Diphthongs close with glides, not with vowels.

> Are you saying that there are dialects of AmE that don't have the [O] vowel
> at all? In previous discussions on this group I was led to believe that "o"
> was universally pronounced like that before an "r", except in a few words
> like "sorry" and "tomorrow". Are there AmE speakers who would rhyme "glory"
> with "sorry"?

I think maybe in Philadelphia they have a really close [O] in "sorry,"
but usually "sorry" is ['sarij].

The point remains, however, that sung pronunciation cannot be used for
determining dialect characteristics. It is necessarily artificial and
frequently altered for any number of purposes.

[Guy Barry]

"Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message

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>
>On Friday, August 29, 2014 5:16:58 AM UTC-4, Guy Barry wrote:

>> I really wish you'd stick to the ASCII IPA conventions for these glides.
>> The usual symbol for the GenAm long "o" is [oU], not [ow].
>
>"Usual" in Britain, maybe. Diphthongs close with glides, not with vowels.

There's no usual representation in Britain for the GenAm long "o". The
recommended representation for the corresponding BrE vowel is [@U].

>The point remains, however, that sung pronunciation cannot be used for
>determining dialect characteristics. It is necessarily artificial and
>frequently altered for any number of purposes.

True. Although I still haven't heard anyone singing the long "o" vowel in
"glory" as JV has suggested; it sounds like [O] to me on both the American
recordings I've listened to. Pure vowels are generally easier to sing than
diphthongs.

--
Guy Barry

[Mike L]

Yes. But I think wry humour could be _harmlessly_ mocking etc. Happens
in a.u.e. quite a lot.

--
Mike.

[Robert Bannister]

I've just listened to the MTC on YouTube singing "Mine Eyes Have Seen
the Glory" and also singing Handel's "And the Glory". There is no doubt
in my mind that most of them are singing "glawry", although there might
a be few singing "glahry". No glow.

[Robert Bannister]

Try the YouTube Messiah one with "And the glory of the lord" - my
impression is that some of the choir are singing [glArI] even while the
majority are singing [glOrI].

My search was <Mormon Tabernacle Choir and the glory>.

[Steve Hayes]

Possibly, though I can't think of an example. But I definitely wouldn't
describe biting/sarcastic humour as "wry".

[R H Draney]

Robert Bannister filted:

>
>I've just listened to the MTC on YouTube singing "Mine Eyes Have Seen
>the Glory" and also singing Handel's "And the Glory". There is no doubt
>in my mind that most of them are singing "glawry", although there might
>a be few singing "glahry". No glow.

Earlier today I had the upsetting experience of hearing Walt Disney describe a
"Tawrannosahris", only a couple of minutes after he pointed out that all the
"dinosahrs" were "reptuls":

http://youtu.be/7_9wd_9mOVM

....r


--
Me? Sarcastic?
Yeah, right.

[Guy Barry]

"Robert Bannister" wrote in message

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I'm having difficulty in this discussion coming up with a respelling scheme
that will convey the vowel [O] to cot-caught mergerers. "Aw" is no good,
because (as far as I understand) it's the same as "ah" to them. "Or"
suffers from the usual problem of being misinterpreted by rhotic speakers
who would naturally sound the "r", although I think cot-caught mergerers
only use [O] before an "r" anyway. So maybe the best respelling of "glory"
is "glory".

--
Guy Barry

[Peter T. Daniels]

You're probably never going to convince the Luddite respellers of the
value of phonetic notation. If decades of browbeating from Cunningham
couldn't do it (no matter how badly he misunderstood what he was
advocating), nothing will.

[Robert Bannister]

On 30/08/2014 12:15 pm, R H Draney wrote:
> Robert Bannister filted:
>>
>> I've just listened to the MTC on YouTube singing "Mine Eyes Have Seen
>> the Glory" and also singing Handel's "And the Glory". There is no doubt
>> in my mind that most of them are singing "glawry", although there might
>> a be few singing "glahry". No glow.
>
> Earlier today I had the upsetting experience of hearing Walt Disney describe a
> "Tawrannosahris", only a couple of minutes after he pointed out that all the
> "dinosahrs" were "reptuls":

These are sounds I expect from American speakers, but all the same, I
think you would have been more shocked if an "oh/owe" sound had crept in.

[R H Draney]

Robert Bannister filted:

'twere always "dyna soar" WIWAL (there's even a Boeing airplane called that),
and the first syllable of "Tyrannosaurus" was a clear, bell-like "tie"....

The Hollywood Argyles sang, though, of Alley Oop's pet "dyna sour"...as for the
other shibboleth, we have from an independent source an unmistakeable
attestation for "she walks, she talks, she crawls on her belly like a rep-tyle":

http://youtu.be/BaiFg4ZqlT4