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Night23

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Apr 28, 2001, 9:46:29 PM4/28/01
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Hi,
had this argument with a guy some time back. He claimed there was no
such word as "paining" (from the root word pain). He said the only
correct word is hurting (i.e. "It is hurting me" and not "It is paining
me"). I always used to say to the doctor "My back is paining me".

Is there really no such word as "paining"?

If there is, how would it be correctly used in a sentence?

Skitt

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Apr 28, 2001, 10:17:02 PM4/28/01
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"Night23" <nig...@nightynight.com> wrote in message
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It pains me to have to tell you that you could have looked this up in a
dictionary.
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Skitt (in SF Bay Area) http://i.am/skitt/
I speak English well -- I learn it from a book!
-- Manuel of "Fawlty Towers" (he's from Barcelona).


Lars Eighner

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Apr 28, 2001, 11:09:32 PM4/28/01
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In our last episode, <3AEB72FB...@nightynight.com>,
the lovely and talented Night23
broadcast on alt.usage.english:

N> Hi, had this argument with a guy some time back. He claimed there
N> was no such word as "paining" (from the root word pain). He said
N> the only correct word is hurting (i.e. "It is hurting me" and not
N> "It is paining me"). I always used to say to the doctor "My back
N> is paining me".

N> Is there really no such word as "paining"?

N> If there is, how would it be correctly used in a sentence?

"Paining" is much less common than "hurting." "Paining" is a
real word. The transitive verb "pain" dates to the 14th century,
and like most other English verbs, it has an "-ing" form. "My
back is paining me" is perfectly grammatical, but as I have said,
is much less common than "hurting." "Pain" as a verb is more common
in expressions like "It pains me to say ...," although so far as I
know "pain" and "hurt" are interchangeable in all verb forms, except
that "hurt" can imply an injury, real or figurative, beyond merely
inflicting pain. "Hurt" in other words may include inflicting a
wound, but "pain" means only to cause pain.

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Steve Hayes

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Apr 29, 2001, 4:06:16 AM4/29/01
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On Sun, 29 Apr 2001 01:46:29 GMT, Night23 <nig...@nightynight.com> wrote:

>Hi,
> had this argument with a guy some time back. He claimed there was no
>such word as "paining" (from the root word pain). He said the only
>correct word is hurting (i.e. "It is hurting me" and not "It is paining
>me"). I always used to say to the doctor "My back is paining me".

I've seen "pains" used metaphorically, but not "paining".

Steve Hayes
http://www.suite101.com/myhome.cfm/methodius

GrapeApe

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Apr 29, 2001, 4:10:04 AM4/29/01
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>>Hi,
>> had this argument with a guy some time back. He claimed there was no
>>such word as "paining" (from the root word pain). He said the only
>>correct word is hurting (i.e. "It is hurting me" and not "It is paining
>>me"). I always used to say to the doctor "My back is paining me".
>
>I've seen "pains" used metaphorically, but not "paining".

I have been learned so much by this thread.

M.J.Powell

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Apr 29, 2001, 7:33:19 AM4/29/01
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In article <3AEB72FB...@nightynight.com>, Night23
<nig...@nightynight.com> writes

>Hi,
> had this argument with a guy some time back. He claimed there was no
>such word as "paining" (from the root word pain). He said the only
>correct word is hurting (i.e. "It is hurting me" and not "It is paining
>me"). I always used to say to the doctor "My back is paining me".
>
>Is there really no such word as "paining"?

Not on the RH side of the pond.


>
>If there is, how would it be correctly used in a sentence?

N/A

Nor do we say 'I'm hurting'.

Mike
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M.J.Powell

Night23

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Apr 29, 2001, 4:15:44 PM4/29/01
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I've checked up the dictionary and indeed there is a word "paining".
Whether the sentence "my back is paining me" as opposed to "my back
pains me" is valid is unclear. I believe both are correct however.

Therefore I was right.

Night23

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Apr 29, 2001, 4:20:38 PM4/29/01
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"M.J.Powell" wrote:
> >Is there really no such word as "paining"?
>
> Not on the RH side of the pond.


There is such a word. I check up www.dictionary.com
Put in a search for the word paining. It appears under the word pain.

"v. pained, pain·ing, pains."

So there definately is a word paining.

"My back pains me/My back is paining me". Both may be right I believe.

Harvey V

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Apr 29, 2001, 4:36:36 PM4/29/01
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On 29 Apr 2001, I take it that "M.J.Powell"
<mi...@pickmere.demon.co.uk> said:

<snip>

> Nor do we say 'I'm hurting'.

Except in when singin' the blues -- I'm hurtin'; whoa, I'm
hurtin'....... ;)

Charles Riggs

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Apr 29, 2001, 11:53:36 PM4/29/01
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On Sun, 29 Apr 2001 12:33:19 +0100, "M.J.Powell"
<mi...@pickmere.demon.co.uk> wrote:


>Nor do we say 'I'm hurting'.

But we (Americans) do say it.

Charles Riggs

Mike Lyle

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Apr 30, 2001, 8:25:16 AM4/30/01
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But it pains me to see that you let yourself get lbw for 4 against Derbyshire
this weekend. Never mind, Mike: I'm sure you'll be at pains to recapture last
season's form.

Hwyl,
Mike.


M.J.Powell

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Apr 30, 2001, 7:07:30 AM4/30/01
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In article <81opetsvs4hor7c47...@4ax.com>, Charles Riggs
<chr...@gofree.indigo.ie> writes

Yes, it sounds very odd to me because I'm waiting for the end of the
sentence, 'I'm hurting......(Yes, but who are you hurting?). There seems
to be no Object in the sentence.

Mike
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M.J.Powell

Jacqui

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Apr 30, 2001, 10:27:29 AM4/30/01
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"M.J.Powell" wrote:

> Yes, it sounds very odd to me because I'm waiting for the end of the
> sentence, 'I'm hurting......(Yes, but who are you hurting?). There seems
> to be no Object in the sentence.

Everybody Hurts. Sometimes.

Jac (yes, REM are on the radio as I type)

M.J.Powell

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Apr 30, 2001, 10:20:36 AM4/30/01
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In article <MQcH6.3851$SZ5.3...@www.newsranger.com>, Mike Lyle
<nos...@newsranger.com> writes

Was that the Captain of Warwickshire or the player for Glamorgan (which
I follow) who is going great guns? Both MJP!

Together with MJP the film producer it's quite a famous name!

Mike
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M.J.Powell

M.J.Powell

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Apr 30, 2001, 2:49:06 PM4/30/01
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In article <3AED7651...@mireille1.freeserve.co.uk>, Jacqui
<Jac...@mireille1.freeserve.co.uk> writes

???

Mike
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Night23

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Apr 30, 2001, 11:59:38 PM4/30/01
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Its a song.

"M.J.Powell" wrote:
> >Everybody Hurts. Sometimes.
>
> ???
>
> Mike

Mike Lyle

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May 1, 2001, 8:02:07 AM5/1/01
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:20:36 +0100, in <ryK4mJA0...@pickmere.demon.co.uk>,
M.J.Powell wrote:
>
>In article <MQcH6.3851$SZ5.3...@www.newsranger.com>, Mike Lyle
><nos...@newsranger.com> writes


>>>


>>But it pains me to see that you let yourself get lbw for 4 against Derbyshire
>>this weekend. Never mind, Mike: I'm sure you'll be at pains to recapture last
>>season's form.
>
>Was that the Captain of Warwickshire or the player for Glamorgan (which
>I follow) who is going great guns? Both MJP!
>
>Together with MJP the film producer it's quite a famous name!
>

Glamorgan, wrth gwrs!

A pressburger always struck me as the least appetising-sounding fast food
anybody could have thought up.

Mike.


Stephen Toogood

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May 1, 2001, 9:59:04 AM5/1/01
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>
>"M.J.Powell" wrote:
>> >Everybody Hurts. Sometimes.
>>
>> ???
In article <3AEE353D...@nightynight.com>, Night23
<nig...@nightynight.com> writes
>Its a song.

And this Rem chappie appears to be some kind of crooner, or so my
children tell me.

--
Stephen Toogood

Stephen Toogood

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May 1, 2001, 10:06:58 AM5/1/01
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In article <Xns9092DBCE987F5...@194.168.222.9>, Harvey V
<whhvs@*removethis*operamail.com> writes

My dear Harvey, I would have thought you'd have noticed by now that an
Englishman does not sing the blues. It is subsumed into grumbling about
the weather.

Well I woke up this morning; saw the rain slashing down.
And I knew that I'd be dampened on my way into Town.
Whereas that would be normal, I thought today I might drown.

The accompanying 12-bar is left as an exercise for the reader.
--
Stephen Toogood

R H Draney

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May 1, 2001, 11:00:26 AM5/1/01
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"Stephen Toogood" <ste...@stenches.nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:cMgrSrBC...@stenches.demon.co.uk...

>
> My dear Harvey, I would have thought you'd have noticed by now that an
> Englishman does not sing the blues. It is subsumed into grumbling about
> the weather.
>
> Well I woke up this morning; saw the rain slashing down.
> And I knew that I'd be dampened on my way into Town.
> Whereas that would be normal, I thought today I might drown.
>
> The accompanying 12-bar is left as an exercise for the reader.

Where's Long John Baldry these days?...his help is sorely needed
here...until he can be reached, two hints from a white Californian: (1)
"Well I woke up this morning" is the blues equivalent of "It was a dark and
stormy night" and therefore to be avoided at all costs, and (2) a *proper*
12-bar blues repeats the first line of the lyric as the second....r


Stephen Toogood

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May 1, 2001, 1:46:49 PM5/1/01
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In article <ecAH6.322$RK.3...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, R H
Draney <dado...@earthlink.net> writes

>
>Where's Long John Baldry these days?...his help is sorely needed
>here...until he can be reached, two hints from a white Californian: (1)
>"Well I woke up this morning" is the blues equivalent of "It was a dark and
>stormy night" and therefore to be avoided at all costs, and (2) a *proper*
>12-bar blues repeats the first line of the lyric as the second....r
>
Now come on. Everybody knows that All blues lyrics begin "well I woke up
this morning"; it's part of the genre. That's how you tell blues from
other sorts of song.

In any case I already told you: an Englishman does not sing the blues.
--
Stephen Toogood

Harvey V

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May 1, 2001, 3:15:52 PM5/1/01
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On 01 May 2001, I take it that Stephen Toogood
<ste...@stenches.nospam.demon.co.uk> said:

<snip>


>>
> Now come on. Everybody knows that All blues lyrics begin "well I
> woke up this morning"; it's part of the genre. That's how you tell
> blues from other sorts of song.

From a long-times blues listener: yup.


>
> In any case I already told you: an Englishman does not sing the
> blues.

Point well taken: it tends to be more whinging (AmerEng whining) than
true blues: the I'm-a-bit-peakish-and-slightly-off-colour-perhaps-
rather-mauves....

Harvey

R H Draney

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May 2, 2001, 12:18:03 AM5/2/01
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"Harvey V" <whhvs@*removethis*operamail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9094CE22BD786...@194.168.222.9...

> On 01 May 2001, I take it that Stephen Toogood
> <ste...@stenches.nospam.demon.co.uk> said:
>
> > Now come on. Everybody knows that All blues lyrics begin "well I
> > woke up this morning"; it's part of the genre. That's how you tell
> > blues from other sorts of song.
>
> From a long-times blues listener: yup.

Amateurs...I'm surrounded by amateurs....

> > In any case I already told you: an Englishman does not sing the
> > blues.
>
> Point well taken: it tends to be more whinging (AmerEng whining) than
> true blues: the I'm-a-bit-peakish-and-slightly-off-colour-perhaps-
> rather-mauves....

Okay then, what *is* the sound of slow-hand Clapton?...

ObGiggleworthyNote: IMDb lists Eric's filmed concert appearances (plus a
couple of appearances in dramatic stuff) and adds "Sometimes credited as:
Cream"...I know what they mean, but it's just so *silly*....r


M.J.Powell

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May 7, 2001, 6:29:20 AM5/7/01
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>Its a song.
>
>"M.J.Powell" wrote:
>> >Everybody Hurts. Sometimes.

Oh.
>>
>> ???
>>
>> Mike

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