Pronunciation of Origen (theologian)

tween...@mypacks.net

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Dec 7, 2012, 9:01:10 PM12/7/12

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Rhymes with origin? O -rye-jen? OH, I could guess forever. Please help.

CDB

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Dec 7, 2012, 9:45:47 PM12/7/12

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On 07/12/2012 9:01 PM, tween...@mypacks.net wrote:

> Rhymes with origin? O -rye-jen? OH, I could guess forever. Please help.

"Origin" is close enough. Before posting, I verified my answer by
searching on "Origen pronunciation". Good answers, no waiting.

Steve Hayes

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Dec 8, 2012, 4:01:10 AM12/8/12

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On Fri, 7 Dec 2012 18:01:10 -0800 (PST), tween...@mypacks.net wrote:

>Rhymes with origin? O -rye-jen? OH, I could guess forever. Please help.

Usually, yes.

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J. J. Lodder J. J. Lodder

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Dec 8, 2012, 6:47:38 AM12/8/12

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<tween...@mypacks.net> wrote:

> Rhymes with origin? O -rye-jen? OH, I could guess forever. Please help.

Far clarity Origenes is the prefered form.
You can pronounce it as rhyming with Diogenes,
whatever way you may have of pronouncing that,

Jan

tween...@mypacks.net

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Dec 8, 2012, 10:28:58 AM12/8/12

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On Saturday, December 8, 2012 6:47:38 AM UTC-5, J. J. Lodder J. J. Lodder wrote:

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> Far clarity Origenes is the prefered form.
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> You can pronounce it as rhyming with Diogenes,
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> whatever way you may have of pronouncing that,

OK - thanks. I'll pull this on my clergyman and see how it flies. Seems he is only referred to in print as Origen.

Percival P. Cassidy

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Dec 8, 2012, 10:41:20 AM12/8/12

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On 12/08/12 04:01 am, Steve Hayes wrote:

> On Fri, 7 Dec 2012 18:01:10 -0800 (PST), tween...@mypacks.net wrote:
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>> Rhymes with origin? O -rye-jen? OH, I could guess forever. Please help.
>
> Usually, yes.

I don't think I have ever heard that pronunciation -- hard "g" always,
in accord with both the Greek and the Latin pronunciation.

Perce

James Hogg

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Dec 8, 2012, 2:45:44 PM12/8/12

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But in English he's called Origen, and that is the preferred form, clear
enough for us.

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James

Steve Hayes

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Dec 8, 2012, 9:23:31 PM12/8/12

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Perhaps the ones whose pronunciation is governed by Greek and Latin are the
ones who also say "pnevmatology" rather than "newmatology".

Percival P. Cassidy

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Dec 8, 2012, 9:47:57 PM12/8/12

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On 12/08/12 09:23 pm, Steve Hayes wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Dec 2012 10:41:20 -0500, "Percival P. Cassidy"
> <Nob...@NotMyISP.net> wrote:
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>> On 12/08/12 04:01 am, Steve Hayes wrote:
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>>> On Fri, 7 Dec 2012 18:01:10 -0800 (PST), tween...@mypacks.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rhymes with origin? O -rye-jen? OH, I could guess forever. Please help.
>>>
>>> Usually, yes.
>>
>> I don't think I have ever heard that pronunciation -- hard "g" always,
>> in accord with both the Greek and the Latin pronunciation.
>
> Perhaps the ones whose pronunciation is governed by Greek and Latin are the
> ones who also say "pnevmatology" rather than "newmatology".

I would say "newmatic" when referring to tires/tyres, because the word
has been adopted into everyday English with this pronunciation. If I
were using the term "pneumatology", I would say "pnewmatology" because
the people to whom I was speaking would most likely have learned to
pronounce πνεύμα (pneuma) as "pnewma" (as Koine Greek is usually taught,
the "pnevma" pronunciation being modern Greek).

Perce

Steve Hayes

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Dec 9, 2012, 11:27:44 AM12/9/12

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On Sat, 08 Dec 2012 21:47:57 -0500, "Percival P. Cassidy"

<Nob...@NotMyISP.net> wrote:

>On 12/08/12 09:23 pm, Steve Hayes wrote:
>> On Sat, 08 Dec 2012 10:41:20 -0500, "Percival P. Cassidy"
>> <Nob...@NotMyISP.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/08/12 04:01 am, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 7 Dec 2012 18:01:10 -0800 (PST), tween...@mypacks.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Rhymes with origin? O -rye-jen? OH, I could guess forever. Please help.
>>>>
>>>> Usually, yes.
>>>
>>> I don't think I have ever heard that pronunciation -- hard "g" always,
>>> in accord with both the Greek and the Latin pronunciation.
>>
>> Perhaps the ones whose pronunciation is governed by Greek and Latin are the
>> ones who also say "pnevmatology" rather than "newmatology".
>
>I would say "newmatic" when referring to tires/tyres, because the word
>has been adopted into everyday English with this pronunciation. If I
>were using the term "pneumatology", I would say "pnewmatology" because
>the people to whom I was speaking would most likely have learned to

>pronounce ?????? (pneuma) as "pnewma" (as Koine Greek is usually taught,

>the "pnevma" pronunciation being modern Greek).

One could go through a long list of words and names like this:

Chrysostom, Chrysostomos
Augustine, Augustinus
Jerome, Hieronymus
Occam or Ockham's razor

but the best one I saw was an university study guide issued to a student I was
tutoring, which kept referring to the "Apostolicum". Neither he nor I had any
idea what it meant, and I said he should write to the lecturer and ask, and it
turned that it was referring to the statemnt of faith commonly referred to in
English as "The Apostles' Creed".

Peter Brooks

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Dec 9, 2012, 11:41:32 AM12/9/12

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On Dec 9, 6:27 pm, Steve Hayes <hayes...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Dec 2012 21:47:57 -0500, "Percival P. Cassidy"
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> <Nob...@NotMyISP.net> wrote:
> >On 12/08/12 09:23 pm, Steve Hayes wrote:
> >> On Sat, 08 Dec 2012 10:41:20 -0500, "Percival P. Cassidy"
> >> <Nob...@NotMyISP.net> wrote:
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> >>> On 12/08/12 04:01 am, Steve Hayes wrote:
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> >>>> On Fri, 7 Dec 2012 18:01:10 -0800 (PST), tweeny90...@mypacks.net wrote:
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> >>>>> Rhymes with origin? O -rye-jen? OH, I could guess forever. Please help.
>
> >>>> Usually, yes.
>
> >>> I don't think I have ever heard that pronunciation -- hard "g" always,
> >>> in accord with both the Greek and the Latin pronunciation.
>
> >> Perhaps the ones whose pronunciation is governed by Greek and Latin are the
> >> ones who also say "pnevmatology" rather than "newmatology".
>
> >I would say "newmatic" when referring to tires/tyres, because the word
> >has been adopted into everyday English with this pronunciation. If I
> >were using the term "pneumatology", I would say "pnewmatology" because
> >the people to whom I was speaking would most likely have learned to
> >pronounce ?????? (pneuma) as "pnewma" (as Koine Greek is usually taught,
> >the "pnevma" pronunciation being modern Greek).
>
> One could go through a long list of words and names like this:
>
> Chrysostom, Chrysostomos
> Augustine, Augustinus
> Jerome, Hieronymus
> Occam or Ockham's razor
>
> but the best one I saw was an university study guide issued to a student I was
> tutoring, which kept referring to the "Apostolicum". Neither he nor I had any
> idea what it meant, and I said he should write to the lecturer and ask, and it
> turned that it was referring to the statemnt of faith commonly referred to in
> English as "The Apostles' Creed".
>

I've never heard that either. The word exists only in the Latin; [OED]
"c 1400 Prymer in Maskell Mon. Rit. II. 103 That thou fouche saaf the
lord of apostaile, [ut dominum apostolicum‥conservare digneris]‥we
preien thee to heere us."

Mike L

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Dec 9, 2012, 5:46:38 PM12/9/12

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On Sat, 08 Dec 2012 21:47:57 -0500, "Percival P. Cassidy"
<Nob...@NotMyISP.net> wrote:

>On 12/08/12 09:23 pm, Steve Hayes wrote:

[...]

>> Perhaps the ones whose pronunciation is governed by Greek and Latin are the
>> ones who also say "pnevmatology" rather than "newmatology".
>
>I would say "newmatic" when referring to tires/tyres, because the word
>has been adopted into everyday English with this pronunciation. If I
>were using the term "pneumatology", I would say "pnewmatology" because
>the people to whom I was speaking would most likely have learned to

>pronounce ?????? (pneuma) as "pnewma" (as Koine Greek is usually taught,

>the "pnevma" pronunciation being modern Greek).
>

Welsh cuts the Gordian knot with the spelling "niwmonia".

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Mike.