King: Camel butt unraveling in the toilet bowl
Marius Hancu
"Camel butt unraveling in the toilet bowl"
what meaning of "unravel" is used here? "To decompose?"
Or does it suggest it _rotates_ in the bowl's water, left by the
previous user and it decomposes in the process?
I guess "Camel butt" is a butt/chunk of soap.
----
[Jack is afraid of unemployment]
If we go, how long will it be before you find the local [drinking]
hole in Sidewinder? a voice inside him asked. ... Where the piss in
the men's room smells two thousand years old and there's always a
sodden Camel butt unraveling in the toilet bowl?
Stephen King, The Shining
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--
Thanks.
Marius Hancu
Jerry Friedman
> Hello:
>
> "Camel butt unraveling in the toilet bowl"
> what meaning of "unravel" is used here? "To decompose?"
>
> Or does it suggest it _rotates_ in the bowl's water, left by the
> previous user and it decomposes in the process?
>
> I guess "Camel butt" is a butt/chunk of soap.
It's the butt of a Camel cigarette, and it's coming apart.
Watch out for voices in your head that use the word "sodden".
> ----
> [Jack is afraid of unemployment]
>
> If we go, how long will it be before you find the local [drinking]
> hole in Sidewinder? a voice inside him asked. ... Where the piss in
> the men's room smells two thousand years old and there's always a
> sodden Camel butt unraveling in the toilet bowl?
--
Jerry Friedman
the Omrud
Camel is a brand of cigarette. It's made of paper, so it unravels.
--
David
CDB
>
> "Camel butt unraveling in the toilet bowl"
> what meaning of "unravel" is used here? "To decompose?"
>
> Or does it suggest it _rotates_ in the bowl's water, left by the
> previous user and it decomposes in the process?
>
> I guess "Camel butt" is a butt/chunk of soap.
>
"Unraveling" is not so much "decomposing", in any organic or chemical
sense, as "gradually dissociating itself into its constituent parts",
mechanically speaking.
Marius Hancu
> > "Camel butt unraveling in the toilet bowl"
> > what meaning of "unravel" is used here? "To decompose?"
>
> > Or does it suggest it _rotates_ in the bowl's water, left by the
> > previous user and it decomposes in the process?
>
> > I guess "Camel butt" is a butt/chunk of soap.
>
> It's the butt of a cigarette of the kind Joe Camel used to shill for.
> "Unraveling" is not so much "decomposing", in any organic or chemical
> sense, as "gradually dissociating itself into its constituent parts",
> mechanically speaking.
Forgot about cigarette:-[
> > ----
> > [Jack is afraid of unemployment]
>
> > If we go, how long will it be before you find the local [drinking]
> > hole in Sidewinder? a voice inside him asked. ... Where the piss in
> > the men's room smells two thousand years old and there's always a
> > sodden Camel butt unraveling in the toilet bowl?
>
> > Stephen King, The Shining
> > ----
Thank you all.
Marius Hancu
tony cooper
wrote:
A cigarette is tobacco held together by a paper wrapping. It's the
tobacco bits that unravel when the paper starts to disintegrate. But
you knew that.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
<marius...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Hello:
>
>"Camel butt unraveling in the toilet bowl"
>what meaning of "unravel" is used here? "To decompose?"
>
>Or does it suggest it _rotates_ in the bowl's water, left by the
>previous user and it decomposes in the process?
>
>I guess "Camel butt" is a butt/chunk of soap.
It sounds to me like the butt of a Camel cigarette.
"Unravelling" would be its coming apart. The paper would become sodden
and collapse, and the tobacco strands would become free.
>----
>[Jack is afraid of unemployment]
>
>If we go, how long will it be before you find the local [drinking]
>hole in Sidewinder? a voice inside him asked. ... Where the piss in
>the men's room smells two thousand years old and there's always a
>sodden Camel butt unraveling in the toilet bowl?
>
>Stephen King, The Shining
>----
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
the Omrud
I probably didn't - I've never held a cigarette in my whole life.
However, I was referring to the butt which I think is made of paper and
some sort of cellulose packing which makes up the filter. Or are Camels
unfiltered?
--
David
Don Phillipson
news:54b88126-5819-41cf...@l6g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
Cap C camel indicates it is a proper name. English readers who
use "end" (cigarette end, dog-end) might be unfamiliar with the
standard American "butt" for the remains of a cigarette (of any
brand, not just Camel, still on the market but no longer a common
brand.)
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)
Peter Moylan
brand of cigarettes that have a picture of the factory on the packet".
In other words, they taste like camel shit. As a former smoker, I can
vouch for that. I've never tasted camel shit, but I can guess what it
tastes like.
And yes, I belonged to the subculture that experienced
two-thousand-year-old piss and butts in the toilet bowl. The cited
phrase is legitimate.
--
Peter Moylan, Newcastle, NSW, Australia. http://www.pmoylan.org
For an e-mail address, see my web page.
Leslie Danks
[...]
> And yes, I belonged to the subculture that experienced
> two-thousand-year-old piss and butts in the toilet bowl. The cited
> phrase is legitimate.
Hence the graffito:
Please do not throw cigarette ends into the urinals. It makes them damp and
difficult to light.
--
Les
tony cooper
wrote:
The filter tip doesn't come apart in water the way the cigarette
itself does. It might after a long period of time, but even in a hole
like the Sidewinder the toilet would be flushed before this happened.
Unfiltered Camels were once the norm. I don't know if they are still
available.
tony cooper
Camels are still a common brand in the US. They are the 3rd most
popular brand. I doubt if the unfiltered version accounts for a
significant amount of their sales, but their filtered versions are
popular.
R H Draney
>
>A cigarette is tobacco held together by a paper wrapping. It's the
>tobacco bits that unravel when the paper starts to disintegrate. But
>you knew that.
The disintegration of the paper and subsequent unraveling of the tobacco is
usually helped along in this setting by the tendency of many men to use the butt
for target practice....r
--
Me? Sarcastic?
Yeah, right.
Irwell
>
> Camels are still a common brand in the US. They are the 3rd most
> popular brand. I doubt if the unfiltered version accounts for a
> significant amount of their sales, but their filtered versions are
> popular.
Amended notice in the Men's Room.
"Please don't drop your cigarette butts ibn the urinal.
It amkes them soggy and hard to light."
Mike Lyle
I remember an issue of Mad mag in which somebody said, or (more likely)
something bore the legend, "New filter Camels". I understood the phrase,
but not why it was considered funny. Maybe it was just the idea of
filtering a real flesh mammal camel? In any case, it wasn't the central
bit of text.
--
Mike.
Peter Brooks
wrote:
> tony cooper wrote:
> > On Mon, 6 Sep 2010 11:59:41 -0400, "Don Phillipson"
>
> >> "Marius Hancu" <marius.ha...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Virginia Slims: "You've come a long way baby" was the standing joke.
Feminisas found their teeth one edge. Not just the overt claim to
feminist freedom, but also, the paternalistic 'baby', the hidden (to
the naive) reference to plenty of sex 'come a long way', but also the
suggestion that killing yourself with cigarettes was cool.
Brilliant advertising. Sublime.
The pictures were good too - not so much 'how would your feel as a
woman smoking these things', but more 'how could you ever manage to
trap a man if you didn't'.
I can't find the picture that was, to me, the icon of their
advertisements, but this is close:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/166/431990861_96d4d185dc_o.jpg
It's delightful, in a macabre, sort of way to have those iconic
pictures of 'freedom' allied with enslavement ( what else is drug
addiction? ) to nicotine - the ultimate slaver as redemption from
slavery.
One wonders just how many women were killed by the image. Not a Stalin
or George Bush level of murder perhaps, but still, for a marketeer, a
satisfying kill rate, one would think.
R H Draney
>
>Virginia Slims: "You've come a long way baby" was the standing joke.
>Feminisas found their teeth one edge. Not just the overt claim to
>feminist freedom, but also, the paternalistic 'baby', the hidden (to
>the naive) reference to plenty of sex 'come a long way', but also the
>suggestion that killing yourself with cigarettes was cool.
>
>Brilliant advertising. Sublime.
>
>The pictures were good too - not so much 'how would your feel as a
>woman smoking these things', but more 'how could you ever manage to
>trap a man if you didn't'.
>
>I can't find the picture that was, to me, the icon of their
>advertisements, but this is close:
>
>http://farm1.static.flickr.com/166/431990861_96d4d185dc_o.jpg
>
>It's delightful, in a macabre, sort of way to have those iconic
>pictures of 'freedom' allied with enslavement ( what else is drug
>addiction? ) to nicotine - the ultimate slaver as redemption from
>slavery.
More typical, as I remember them, were the ones that suggested that unliberated
women back in "the old days" were punished for daring to violate society's
norms...here's one such:
And here's another:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cv2Dv-LiiDA/Sb2EegXE6TI/AAAAAAAAAXc/0x0DOOa_me8/s1600-h/VirginiaSlims.jpg
Peter Brooks
> Peter Brooks filted:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >Virginia Slims: "You've come a long way baby" was the standing joke.
> >Feminisas found their teeth one edge. Not just the overt claim to
> >feminist freedom, but also, the paternalistic 'baby', the hidden (to
> >the naive) reference to plenty of sex 'come a long way', but also the
> >suggestion that killing yourself with cigarettes was cool.
>
> >Brilliant advertising. Sublime.
>
> >The pictures were good too - not so much 'how would your feel as a
> >woman smoking these things', but more 'how could you ever manage to
> >trap a man if you didn't'.
>
> >I can't find the picture that was, to me, the icon of their
> >advertisements, but this is close:
>
> >http://farm1.static.flickr.com/166/431990861_96d4d185dc_o.jpg
>
> >It's delightful, in a macabre, sort of way to have those iconic
> >pictures of 'freedom' allied with enslavement ( what else is drug
> >addiction? ) to nicotine - the ultimate slaver as redemption from
> >slavery.
>
> More typical, as I remember them, were the ones that suggested that unliberated
> women back in "the old days" were punished for daring to violate society's
> norms...here's one such:
>
>
> And here's another:
>
> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cv2Dv-LiiDA/Sb2EegXE6TI/AAAAAAAAAXc/0x0DOOa...
>
One can't deny, though, that they found nice chicks for their
photoshoots.
A bit slim - but that was, perhaps, part of the point.
Not, though, as slim as the wickedly anorexic skeletons that pass for
women in current advertisements.
Have we really come a long way, baby?
Gridley
I seem to be hypercritical of Stephen King's use of the American idiom
but I have to admit he is right on target this time.
As for Camels tasting like camel shit I will disagree. They tasted
great and the smoke smelled even better. Luckies were a close second
along with Pall Malls which were just king sized Luckies. I'm sure any
Camel made today would taste like camel shit compared to a Camel of
1960 because the grade of tobacco is disgusting compared to 50 years
ago. That's what makes it easier to mass produce them in the modern
cigarette plant. Now if you want a 1960 cigarette that tasted like
camel shit I would suggest a Chesterfield. Full disclosure: I smoked
for 25 years and went cold turkey in 1984.
R H Draney
>
>As for Camels tasting like camel shit I will disagree. They tasted
>great and the smoke smelled even better. Luckies were a close second
>along with Pall Malls which were just king sized Luckies. I'm sure any
>Camel made today would taste like camel shit compared to a Camel of
>1960 because the grade of tobacco is disgusting compared to 50 years
>ago. That's what makes it easier to mass produce them in the modern
>cigarette plant. Now if you want a 1960 cigarette that tasted like
>camel shit I would suggest a Chesterfield. Full disclosure: I smoked
>for 25 years and went cold turkey in 1984.
Never smoked, myself, but I had a great-aunt who was hooked on Raleighs or the
closely-related brand...if you pressed her on the point, she'd probably have
admitted that it wasn't the taste that mattered so much as the fact that they
came with coupons that could be redeemed for "gifts"....r
Peter Moylan
My mother, whose smoking took her to an early grave, used to like a
brand called "Craven A". I used to wonder how a cigarette company could
come up with a name like that, while at the same time denying that
smoking is addictive.
Peter Brooks
wrote:
>
>
> My mother, whose smoking took her to an early grave, used to like a
> brand called "Craven A". I used to wonder how a cigarette company could
> come up with a name like that, while at the same time denying that
> smoking is addictive.
>
why anybody would want to be seen with something that admitted itself
craven - yanks use the term 'loser' as a term of abuse.
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
According to Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craven_A
The cigarette was named after the third Earl of Craven in 1860.
Trivia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_of_Craven
William Craven, 6th Baron Craven built Craven Cottage in 1780, later
to become the home of Fulham F.C.
Anyone confused by baronies, earldoms and viscountcies is unlikely to
have their confusion reduced by reading the history of the titles in the
Craven family.