Sideburns and Sideboards
MC
sideburn
noun (usu. sideburns)
a strip of hair grown by a man down each side of the face in front of
his ears.
ORIGIN late 19th cent.: originally burnside, from the name of General
Burnside (1824-81), who affected this style.
+++
When I was a kid in Birmingham (UK) we called them "sideboards" not
"sideburns" but I haven't come across it in BrE any time since.
Anyone else call them "sideboards"?
--
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- Marybones
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
>NOAD:
>
>sideburn
>
>noun (usu. sideburns)
>a strip of hair grown by a man down each side of the face in front of
>his ears.
>
>ORIGIN late 19th cent.: originally burnside, from the name of General
>Burnside (1824-81), who affected this style.
>
>+++
>
>When I was a kid in Birmingham (UK) we called them "sideboards" not
>"sideburns" but I haven't come across it in BrE any time since.
>
>Anyone else call them "sideboards"?
I first heard of them as "sideboards" in the UK, probably in the
1950s-ish. It was a unknown, but not negligible, number of years before
I met "sideburns".
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
John Dean
> NOAD:
>
> sideburn
>
> noun (usu. sideburns)
> a strip of hair grown by a man down each side of the face in front of
> his ears.
>
> ORIGIN late 19th cent.: originally burnside, from the name of General
> Burnside (1824-81), who affected this style.
>
> +++
>
> When I was a kid in Birmingham (UK) we called them "sideboards" not
> "sideburns" but I haven't come across it in BrE any time since.
>
> Anyone else call them "sideboards"?
Ho Yus. That was always the usage in 50s & 60s Manchester. OED has it:
" b. Side-whiskers (Cent. Dict. 1891).
1907 Daily Chron. 7 Dec. 5/7 You have described the duke as having small
whiskers?-Yes, they were sideboards. Where did you get that name?-I have
been in America.+ You call them sideboards?-Yes, or sideburns. 1956 D. M.
Davin Sullen Bell ii. iv. 136 He was a miserable little sod, with sideboards
and an American tie. 1961 H. S. Turner Something Extraordinary i. 9 The
boys are dressed in the Teddy style, with tight trousers and sideboards.
1975 M. Bradbury History Man vi. 97 He takes his razor+clipping at the line
of the sideboards."
For 'Burnside' the OED has
" 'A style of beard such as that affected by General Burnside (1824-81),
consisting of a mustache, whiskers, and a clean-shaven chin' (Cent. Dict.
Suppl. 1909). Freq. pl. Also attrib. Cf. side-burn (side n.1 27).
1875 Cincinnati Enquirer 6 July 2/1 His whisker was of the Burnside type,
consisting of mustache and 'muttonchop', the chin being perfectly clean.
1881 I. M. Rittenhouse Jrnl. in Maud (1939) i. 36 The older one has lovely
burn-sides. 1907 Outing (U.S.) L. 279 Such various patterns of ornamental
whiskers as the 'Piccadilly Weeper' (No. 2), the 'Burnside', etc. 1930
Publishers' Weekly 8 Feb. 679 In the days of copper-toed boots and
burnsides+our grandfathers were buying this book. "
I believe we've discussed this here before but I don't think we ever
resolved when or why 'burnside' became 'sideburn'. But 'sideburn' has, I
think, always been regarded as the US usage where 'sideboard' is the BrE.
Ray O'Hara
"MC" <cope...@mapca.inter.net> wrote in message
news:copespaz-875A70...@reserved-multicast-range-not-delegated.example.com...
> NOAD:
>
> sideburn
>
> noun (usu. sideburns)
> a strip of hair grown by a man down each side of the face in front of
> his ears.
>
> ORIGIN late 19th cent.: originally burnside, from the name of General
> Burnside (1824-81), who affected this style.
>
http://www.civilwaracademy.com/ambrose-burnside.html
the above URL has a pic of Major General Ambrose Burnside asnd his famous
whiskers.
annily
> MC wrote:
>> NOAD:
>>
>> sideburn
>>
>> noun (usu. sideburns)
>> a strip of hair grown by a man down each side of the face in front of
>> his ears.
>>
>> ORIGIN late 19th cent.: originally burnside, from the name of General
>> Burnside (1824-81), who affected this style.
>>
>> +++
>>
>> When I was a kid in Birmingham (UK) we called them "sideboards" not
>> "sideburns" but I haven't come across it in BrE any time since.
>>
>> Anyone else call them "sideboards"?
>
>
> " b. Side-whiskers (Cent. Dict. 1891).
> 1907 Daily Chron. 7 Dec. 5/7 You have described the duke as having small
> whiskers?-Yes, they were sideboards. Where did you get that name?-I have
> been in America.+ You call them sideboards?-Yes, or sideburns. 1956 D. M.
> Davin Sullen Bell ii. iv. 136 He was a miserable little sod, with sideboards
> and an American tie. 1961 H. S. Turner Something Extraordinary i. 9 The
> boys are dressed in the Teddy style, with tight trousers and sideboards.
> 1975 M. Bradbury History Man vi. 97 He takes his razor+clipping at the line
> of the sideboards."
>
> For 'Burnside' the OED has
>
> " 'A style of beard such as that affected by General Burnside (1824-81),
> consisting of a mustache, whiskers, and a clean-shaven chin' (Cent. Dict.
> Suppl. 1909). Freq. pl. Also attrib. Cf. side-burn (side n.1 27).
> 1875 Cincinnati Enquirer 6 July 2/1 His whisker was of the Burnside type,
> consisting of mustache and 'muttonchop', the chin being perfectly clean.
> 1881 I. M. Rittenhouse Jrnl. in Maud (1939) i. 36 The older one has lovely
> burn-sides. 1907 Outing (U.S.) L. 279 Such various patterns of ornamental
> whiskers as the 'Piccadilly Weeper' (No. 2), the 'Burnside', etc. 1930
> Publishers' Weekly 8 Feb. 679 In the days of copper-toed boots and
> burnsides+our grandfathers were buying this book. "
>
> I believe we've discussed this here before but I don't think we ever
> resolved when or why 'burnside' became 'sideburn'. But 'sideburn' has, I
> think, always been regarded as the US usage where 'sideboard' is the BrE.
>
>
--
Long-time resident of Adelaide, South Australia,
which probably influences my opinions.
the Omrud
> NOAD:
>
> sideburn
>
> noun (usu. sideburns)
> a strip of hair grown by a man down each side of the face in front of
> his ears.
>
> ORIGIN late 19th cent.: originally burnside, from the name of General
> Burnside (1824-81), who affected this style.
>
> +++
>
> When I was a kid in Birmingham (UK) we called them "sideboards" not
> "sideburns" but I haven't come across it in BrE any time since.
>
> Anyone else call them "sideboards"?
Yes, unsurprisingly, since I grew up in the (England) West Midlands, not
far from you.
--
David
Mark Brader
> When I was a kid in Birmingham (UK) we called them "sideboards" not
> "sideburns" but I haven't come across it in BrE any time since.
>
> Anyone else call them "sideboards"?
I heard it from one or both parents, but I forget which. My father
was born in Nottingham in 1923 and mostly lived there until we moved
to Canada in 1957. My mother was born in south Wales in 1917 but
lived mostly in southeast England, with a few years in Nottingham,
before 1957.
--
Mark Brader "I used to own a mind like a steel trap.
Toronto Perhaps if I'd specified a brass one, it
m...@vex.net wouldn't have rusted like this." --Greg Goss
My text in this article is in the public domain.
Leslie Danks
AOL.
But I still prefer "bugger's grips".
--
Les
(BrE)
LFS
Indeed. They were "sideboards" in NW London in the 1950s, which always
puzzled me. When I first heard "sideburns" it was later and in a US context.
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Laura
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Steve Hayes
I learnt both terms about the same time, and was never sure which one to use.
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Nick Spalding
<4d677191$0$18699$91ce...@newsreader03.highway.telekom.at>
on Fri, 25 Feb 2011 10:08:18 +0100:
That is what I learnt from my pa.
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Nick Spalding
BrE/IrE
Don Phillipson
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>>sideburn
>>
>>noun (usu. sideburns)
>>a strip of hair grown by a man down each side of the face in front of
>>his ears.
>>
>>ORIGIN late 19th cent.: originally burnside, from the name of General
>>Burnside (1824-81), who affected this style.
. . .
> When I was a kid in Birmingham (UK) we called them "sideboards" not
> "sideburns" but I haven't come across it in BrE any time since.
This was standard English usage in the 1950s. At that date Burnside
was a known name in American history (from the Civil War) but not in
English history, which makes the evolution more interesting:
1. The American change from burnside to sideburn;
2. The pondian change from sideburn to sideboard.
Together these suggest some linguistics scholar has probably
already sought to document the change with dates.
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
OED:
sideboard, n.
3. slang. in pl.
a. A stand-up collar.
1857 'Ducange Anglicus' Vulgar Tongue 18.
1874 'Uncle Bob' Lett. to Children (1875) xiv. 87 Starting with
our standing collars on, we managed to get to the church... Some
mischievous boy would cry out, 'Come out of those sideboards.'
b. Side-whiskers ( Cent. Dict. 1891).
1907 Daily Chron. 7 Dec. 5/7 You have described the duke as
having small whiskers? — Yes, they were sideboards. Where did you
get that name? — I have been in America... You call them sideboards?
— Yes, or sideburns.
bob
>
> >>NOAD:
>
> >>sideburn
>
> >>noun (usu. sideburns)
> >>a strip of hair grown by a man down each side of the face in front of
> >>his ears.
>
> >>ORIGIN late 19th cent.: originally burnside, from the name of General
> >>Burnside (1824-81), who affected this style.
>
> >>+++
>
> >>When I was a kid in Birmingham (UK) we called them "sideboards" not
> >>"sideburns" but I haven't come across it in BrE any time since.
>
> >>Anyone else call them "sideboards"?
>
> > I first heard of them as "sideboards" in the UK, probably in the
> > 1950s-ish. It was a unknown, but not negligible, number of years before
> > I met "sideburns".
>
> AOL.
>
> But I still prefer "bugger's grips".
I have a friend from near Leeds who refers to "grips", generally in
the context of victorian gentlemen who grow them a bit longer, for
example http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/03/Stokes_George_G.jpg
I would use both sideburns and sideboards regularly.
Robin
Mike Page
teddy boy style, also involving drapes and DA haircuts.
--
MP
MC
Mike Page <mike...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
And of course, brothel-creepers.
Mike Page
WWII. Although OED only records it from 1954, I'm pretty sure I came
across a newsletter in my father's papers from the 1940s in N Africa
that used the term.
--
MP
LFS
And drainpipes. I was puzzled by those, too. I seem to have spent much
of my childhood being puzzled and I am very aware of my level of
bafflement with the world rising once again as I approach....late middle
age.
MC
Mike Page <mike...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > And of course, brothel-creepers.
> >
> A term which, I think, arose among servicemen in the Northern Desert in
> WWII. Although OED only records it from 1954, I'm pretty sure I came
> across a newsletter in my father's papers from the 1940s in N Africa
> that used the term.
That sounds right to me. Maybe it was the original (Clarks, I think?)
Desert Boots that gave birth to the term, which then expanded to include
any shoes with crepe rubber soles - after all the Teds didn't wear
Desert Boots.
Robin Bignall
>M. Cope:
>> When I was a kid in Birmingham (UK) we called them "sideboards" not
>> "sideburns" but I haven't come across it in BrE any time since.
>>
>> Anyone else call them "sideboards"?
>
>I heard it from one or both parents, but I forget which. My father
>was born in Nottingham in 1923 and mostly lived there until we moved
>to Canada in 1957. My mother was born in south Wales in 1917 but
>lived mostly in southeast England, with a few years in Nottingham,
>before 1957.
I'm from Nottingham and the whiskers were sideboards when I was young. It might
have been the rise to stardom of Elvis Presley that introduced the sideburns
term to us.
--
Robin Bignall
(BrE)
Herts, England
R H Draney
>
>I'm from Nottingham and the whiskers were sideboards when I was young. =
>It might
>have been the rise to stardom of Elvis Presley that introduced the =
>sideburns
>term to us.
I've got a pair these days, cut down to less than half their previous extent
while I'm looking for work...before I took that step, they were
Wolverine-length, and I can still remember how startling the added wind
resistance was the first time after they'd grown in that I went for a brisk
walk....
The original inspiration for growing them was twofold, from role models of the
late 1960s: Mike Nesmith of the Monkees, and Quentin Collins from "Dark
Shadows"....r
--
Me? Sarcastic?
Yeah, right.
Mike Page
buttocks revealing an extent of boxer shorts, I find most puzzling of all.
--
MP
tony cooper
<la...@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
>And drainpipes. I was puzzled by those, too. I seem to have spent much
>of my childhood being puzzled and I am very aware of my level of
>bafflement with the world rising once again as I approach....late middle
>age.
Orlando is home to many Cuban a Puerto Rican women. All of which go
out daily in skin-tight designer jeans and high heels.
What puzzles me is how 1) they get them on, and 2) if there are brands
designed specifically for women with small waists and generous rear
ends. When I say "skin-tight", I mean so close-fitting that body
paint would look less figure-formed.
I am also puzzled by the jewelry...rings on every finger, several
bracelets, and multiple necklaces. Pounds of bling. If they don't
wear that stuff to bed, it must take them an hour to de-accessorize
before bed and another hour to accessorize in the morning.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Steve Hayes
wrote:
>What puzzles me is how 1) they get them on, and 2) if there are brands
>designed specifically for women with small waists and generous rear
>ends. When I say "skin-tight", I mean so close-fitting that body
>paint would look less figure-formed.
As the late Roman Catholic Archbishop of Durban, Denis Hurley, was fond of
saying, "Does the end justify the jeans?"
Ian Noble
When I sported them (late '60s, Yorkshire) I only knew them as
"sideburns".
For what it's worth, "mutton chops" are, to me, longer than
"sideburns". Sideburns (always plural) were anything down beyond
about half-ear height; it could probably, in extremis, have
encompassed the mutton chop, but (in my part of the world at least)
that style wasn't popular. "Mutton chops" is a term that, to me, is
Victorian; they need to be low enough to include the start of the
beard proper, and turn visibly across the outside of the chin. And,
no, I wouldn't have recognised the above description of the "Burnside"
cut as sideburns (to the extent that, whilst I recognise the
similarity of name, a part of me questions whether the similarity is
coincidence).
Cheers - Ian
(BrE: Yorks., Hants.)
Duggy
> For what it's worth, "mutton chops" are, to me, longer than
> "sideburns".
My understanding is they have to curve and be wide on the cheek, like
a lamb or mutton chop.
> "Mutton chops" is a term that, to me, is Victorian; they need to be low enough to include the start of the
> beard proper, and turn visibly across the outside of the chin.
The style is mostly Victorian, when it does appear, the term is style
used.
> no, I wouldn't have recognised the above description of the "Burnside"
> cut as sideburns
I've seen them refered to as "Friendly Muttonchops", that is mutton
chops that join the mustache.
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= DUG.
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