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Peter Percival

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Nov 12, 2016, 7:20:34 AM11/12/16
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Posttraumatic or post traumatic, or maybe even hyphenated? PTSD seems
to be the accepted abbreviation for posttraumatic stress disorder, which
suggeststwo words, but often I see it written as one.
--
Do, as a concession to my poor wits, Lord Darlington, just explain
to me what you really mean.
I think I had better not, Duchess. Nowadays to be intelligible is
to be found out. -- Oscar Wilde, Lady Windermere's Fan

Horace LaBadie

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Nov 12, 2016, 7:54:12 AM11/12/16
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In article <o071eg$k6k$1...@news.albasani.net>,
Peter Percival <peterxp...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Posttraumatic or post traumatic, or maybe even hyphenated? PTSD seems
> to be the accepted abbreviation for posttraumatic stress disorder, which
> suggeststwo words, but often I see it written as one.

And ultraviolet is UV. What's the point?

Jerry Friedman

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Nov 12, 2016, 10:36:24 AM11/12/16
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On 11/12/16 5:20 AM, Peter Percival wrote:
> Posttraumatic or post traumatic, or maybe even hyphenated? PTSD seems
> to be the accepted abbreviation for posttraumatic stress disorder, which
> suggeststwo words, but often I see it written as one.

I like the hyphen, but solid seems to be winning, as you say.

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=post+traumatic%2Cpost-traumatic%2Cposttraumatic&year_start=1800&year_end=2008&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cpost%20traumatic%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cpost%20-%20traumatic%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cposttraumatic%3B%2Cc0

http://tinyurl.com/gtzlr2a

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Mark Brader

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Nov 12, 2016, 4:11:28 PM11/12/16
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Peter Percival:
> Posttraumatic or post traumatic, or maybe even hyphenated?

Hyphenated for me. I don't even remember seeing it any other way.

> PTSD seems to be the accepted abbreviation for posttraumatic
> stress disorder...

When I first heard that expression, I always assumed it meant
post-traumatic-stress disorder, i.e. a disorder that follows
traumatic stress. (And never mind that a lot of people wouldn't
hyphenate it that way.) But these days I often hear it without
the last word, suggesting that it is a disorder that consists
of stress and follows trauma. Is this actually the correct
meaning according to whoever invented the term?
--
Mark Brader, Toronto | "Bacterium is the term for a single bacteria."
m...@vex.net |

My text in this article is in the public domain.

Peter Duncanson [BrE]

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Nov 12, 2016, 6:06:36 PM11/12/16
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On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 15:11:22 -0600, m...@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote:

>Peter Percival:
>> Posttraumatic or post traumatic, or maybe even hyphenated?
>
>Hyphenated for me. I don't even remember seeing it any other way.
>
>> PTSD seems to be the accepted abbreviation for posttraumatic
>> stress disorder...
>
>When I first heard that expression, I always assumed it meant
>post-traumatic-stress disorder, i.e. a disorder that follows
>traumatic stress. (And never mind that a lot of people wouldn't
>hyphenate it that way.) But these days I often hear it without
>the last word, suggesting that it is a disorder that consists
>of stress and follows trauma. Is this actually the correct
>meaning according to whoever invented the term?

I had similar thoughts. Is it a "disorder that follows traumatic
stress", or is it "a stress disorder that follows trauma"?

It seems to be the latter.
If my understanding of what I've read and quoted below, PTSD might be
better worded as "Post-Trauma Stress Disorder".

There is a condition named "Acute Stress Disorder". According to this
description the diagnosis requires:
http://psychcentral.com/disorders/acute-stress-disorder-symptoms/

<severe anxiety and other symptoms>

In addition, at least one symptom from each of the symptom clusters
required for Posttraumatic Stress Disorder

As for the spelling this says:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posttraumatic_stress_disorder#History

Early in 1978, the term was used in a working group finding
presented to the Committee of Reactive Disorders.[180] The condition
was added to the DSM-III, which was being developed in the 1980s, as
posttraumatic stress disorder.[178][180] In the DSM-IV, the spelling
"posttraumatic stress disorder" is used, while in the ICD-10, the
spelling is "post-traumatic stress disorder".[181]

The following section:

Terminology

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders does not
hyphenate 'post' and 'traumatic', thus, the DSM-5 lists the disorder
as posttraumatic stress disorder. However, many scientific journal
articles and other scholarly publications do hyphenate the name of
the disorder, viz., post-traumatic stress disorder.[192]
Dictionaries also differ with regard to the preferred spelling of
the disorder with the Collins English Dictionary - Complete and
Unabridged using the hyphenated spelling, and the American Heritage
Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition and the Random
House Kernerman Webster's College Dictionary giving the
non-hyphenated spelling.[193]

This outline of PTSD for the general reader says:
http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Post-traumatic-stress-disorder/Pages/Introduction.aspx

Introduction

Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) is an anxiety disorder caused
by very stressful, frightening or distressing events.

Someone with PTSD often relives the traumatic event through
nightmares and flashbacks, and may experience feelings of isolation,
irritability and guilt.

http://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/types-of-mental-health-problems/post-traumatic-stress-disorder-ptsd/causes/


--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)

Don Phillipson

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Nov 15, 2016, 12:26:11 PM11/15/16
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"Peter Duncanson [BrE]" <ma...@peterduncanson.net> wrote in message
news:0k6f2c1ko31d64u4k...@4ax.com...

>>> . . . PTSD seems to be the accepted abbreviation for posttraumatic
>>> stress disorder...

> If my understanding of what I've read and quoted below, PTSD might be
> better worded as "Post-Trauma Stress Disorder". . . .
>
> As for the spelling this says:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posttraumatic_stress_disorder#History
>
> Early in 1978, the term was used in a working group finding
> presented to the Committee of Reactive Disorders.[180] The condition
> was added to the DSM-III, which was being developed in the 1980s, as
> posttraumatic stress disorder.[178][180] In the DSM-IV, the spelling
> "posttraumatic stress disorder" is used, while in the ICD-10, the
> spelling is "post-traumatic stress disorder".[181]

The political need in the USA in the 1970s was a medical reason
to treat (at public expense, through the Veterans' Administration)
wounded veterans of the Viet Nam war who remained incapacitated
after their physical wounds had healed. At this date trauma meant
a physical wound.

> This outline of PTSD for the general reader says:
> http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Post-traumatic-stress-disorder/Pages/Introduction.aspx
>
> Introduction
>
> Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) is an anxiety disorder caused
> by very stressful, frightening or distressing events.

This recent British specification is quite different. (But we should not
expect diagnoses to remain unchanged after 40 years.)
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)


charles

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Nov 15, 2016, 12:34:31 PM11/15/16
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In article <o0fgfg$81j$3...@news.albasani.net>,
There is a UK Charity called simply "Combat Stress". It was founded in the
aftermath of WW1, in 1919. One of my uncles suffered badly from being one
of a few survivors of a troop ship which was torpedoed in WW2. Of course,
officers were supposed to "pull themselves together".

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

Peter Duncanson [BrE]

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Nov 15, 2016, 5:17:15 PM11/15/16
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There was "shell shock":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_shock

Shell shock is term coined to describe the reaction of some soldiers
in World War I to the trauma of battle.
....
In World War II and thereafter, diagnosis of 'shell shock' was
replaced by that of combat stress reaction, a similar but not
identical response to the trauma of warfare and bombardment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_stress_reaction

Combat stress reaction (CSR) is a term used within the military to
describe acute behavioral disorganization seen by medical personnel
as a direct result of the trauma of war. Also known as "combat
fatigue" or "battle neurosis", it has some overlap with the
diagnosis of acute stress reaction used in civilian psychiatry. It
is historically linked to shell shock and can sometimes precurse
post-traumatic stress disorder.

occam

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Nov 16, 2016, 1:08:14 AM11/16/16
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I blame the lazy Twitterati for the unhyphenated 'post-traumatic' ;-)

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