I wouldn’t have got Elihu
Marius Hancu
Cloudy para:-))
Dick Divers seems to reminisce here about his college years and a
student election:
----
In some moods he griped at his own reasoning: Could I help it that Pete
Livingstone sat in the locker-room Tap Day when everybody looked all
over hell for him? And I got an election when otherwise I wouldn’t have
got Elihu, knowing so few men. He was good and right and I ought to have
sat in the locker-room instead. Maybe I would, if I’d thought I had a
chance at an election. But Mercer kept coming to my room all those
weeks. I guess I knew I had a chance all right, all right. But it would
have served me right if I’d swallowed my pin in the shower and set up a
conflict.
Tender is the Night, by F. Scott Fitzgerald (chapter26
http://etext.library.adelaide.edu.au/f/fitzgerald/f_scott//tender/chapter26.html
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I am not gettting the reference to Elihu. One thing I know is that:
The name of Yale College was adopted in honour of Elihu Yale who had
made large gifts to the school.
But what does it mean "otherwise I wouldn’t have got Elihu" (guess
nothing?)?
Also, what is Tap Day and the reference to swallowing his (college?)
pin? Avoid his pin in order to avoid being elected?
Is all this old college jargon?
Thank you,
Marius Hancu
Tony Cooper
wrote:
Tap Day is the day when senior students are invited to join a club.
They are literally tapped on the shoulder as the first step of the
invitation. Skull and Bones, if they are socially ultra-connected.
"Club" is a bit weak to describe a Yale social club, but that's what
they are called.
Not being an Ivy Leaguer, "swallowed my pin" is beyond me.
Elihu is a senior club for left-wing students. It's the least
prestigious and easiest to get in. The above reference is really "I
wouldn't have even made Elihu" You can bet your bones that Bush was
not in Elihu.
>Is all this old college jargon?
>
Not just college jargon, but Yale jargon.
I'm sure most of this can be Googled, but I've read some books about
Yale and remembered the above references.
Reinhold (Rey) Aman
> Dick Divers seems to reminisce here about his
> college years and a student election:
[...]
Dick Divers? Dick Divers? Do they bob for dicks?
--
Reinhold (Rey) Aman
Who prefers Muff Divers
Robert Lieblich
>
> Marius Hancu wrote:
>
> > Dick Divers seems to reminisce here about his
> > college years and a student election:
>
> [...]
>
> Dick Divers? Dick Divers? Do they bob for dicks?
Hey, Rey, leave me out of this. Okay?
--
Bob ("Dick") Lieblich
Charles Riggs
>Bob ("Dick") Lieblich
A Richard can be a Dick, but how can a Robert be one?
--
Charles Riggs
They are no accented letters in my email address
Marius Hancu
> Dick Divers? Dick Divers?
As a matter of fact it's Dick Diver in the novel. Sorry for misspelling.
Marius Hancu
Don Phillipson
news:Zb6xd.81159$3d2.2...@weber.videotron.net...
> Cloudy para:-))
>
> Dick Divers seems to reminisce here about his college years and a
> student election:
> ----
> In some moods he griped at his own reasoning: Could I help it that Pete
> Livingstone sat in the locker-room Tap Day when everybody looked all
> over hell for him? And I got an election when otherwise I wouldn’t have
This is just an instance of the author seeking to
replicate his character's special variety of spoken
English. Most novelists did this 1840-1940, e.g.
Dickens did it for his comic characters, Mark Twain
did it for Huckleberry Finn, Joel Chandler Harris did
it for his characters, John Dos Passos did it for
his postwar characters, and so on. In this instance,
the character Diver had been to Yale, thus spoke
(and thought in) the peculiar dialect of this college.
Fitzgerald's attempt to replicate this is just like
Kipling's presentation of British soldiers' speech
of 1890. Difficulties appear only in the minds of
readers who may not know the jargon, whether of
Mississippi steamboats or barrack rooms or
Old Eli.
The common element is that these authors
decided that unspoken thought should be represented
by the sounds people would have uttered if they
had spoken their thought. There is something quite
real here, because people do indeed both think and
speak in ways governed by their environment, and
major differences appear. (I first encountered this
when living at home with my mother after four years'
military service. It was as if we spoke different
languages. . . )
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)
CyberCypher
> On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 05:59:18 -0500, Robert Lieblich
> <Robert....@Verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>"Reinhold (Rey) Aman" wrote:
>>>
>>> Marius Hancu wrote:
>>>
>>> > Dick Divers seems to reminisce here about his
>>> > college years and a student election:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> Dick Divers? Dick Divers? Do they bob for dicks?
>>
>>Hey, Rey, leave me out of this. Okay?
>
>>Bob ("Dick") Lieblich
>
> A Richard can be a Dick, but how can a Robert be one?
When Bob's not your uncle?
--
Franke: EFL teacher & medical editor
For email, replace numbers with English alphabet.
CyberCypher
This changes nothing but the number. A dick diver is the counterpart of
a muff diver, you know.
Jim Ward
<cyber...@19-16-25-13-01-03.com> wrote:
>>>> Dick Divers? Dick Divers? Do they bob for dicks?
>>>
>>>Hey, Rey, leave me out of this. Okay?
>>
>>>Bob ("Dick") Lieblich
>>
>> A Richard can be a Dick, but how can a Robert be one?
>
>When Bob's not your uncle?
Is Bob a dickiedazzler?
Marius Hancu
> Elihu is a senior club for left-wing students. It's the least
> prestigious and easiest to get in. The above reference is really "I
> wouldn't have even made Elihu" You can bet your bones that Bush was
> not in Elihu.
> I'm sure most of this can be Googled, but I've read some books about
> Yale and remembered the above references.
Thank you.
Now that I know Elihu it's a club, I was able to more successfully
google for it and found:
http://www.elihu.org
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Tombs_and_Taps.htm
Marius Hancu
don groves
Riggs at chriggs@comcást.net hath writ:
> On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 05:59:18 -0500, Robert Lieblich
> <Robert....@Verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >"Reinhold (Rey) Aman" wrote:
> >>
> >> Marius Hancu wrote:
> >>
> >> > Dick Divers seems to reminisce here about his
> >> > college years and a student election:
> >>
> >> [...]
> >>
> >> Dick Divers? Dick Divers? Do they bob for dicks?
> >
> >Hey, Rey, leave me out of this. Okay?
>
> >Bob ("Dick") Lieblich
>
> A Richard can be a Dick, but how can a Robert be one?
Oh, I've known a couple who were. Present company excepted, of
course.
--
dg (domain=ccwebster)
don groves
at cyber...@19-16-25-13-01-03.com hath writ:
> Marius Hancu wrote on 19 Dec 2004:
>
> > Reinhold (Rey) Aman wrote:
> >
> >> Dick Divers? Dick Divers?
> >
> > As a matter of fact it's Dick Diver in the novel. Sorry for
> > misspelling.
>
> This changes nothing but the number. A dick diver is the counterpart of
> a muff diver, you know.
Now there's a term I've not heard in a long while. Reminds me of
the old strip joint joke: "Hey you boys, we've got an opening
backstage for a barber. The pay is $35 a week and all you can
eat."
--
dg (domain=ccwebster)
Maria Conlon
Is your middle name Richard? Or is it just that Rey calls you
Richard...?
Anyway, I don't believe I've ever known a "Bob Dick" or a "Dick Bob,"
even down south. "Dickie Bob"? Maybe.
--
Maria Conlon
Charles Riggs
wrote:
Perhaps the Liebs was admitting he's been acting like a dick lately by
not acknowledging me, not telling us it is one of his names. Or
perhaps not.
Robert Lieblich
[ ... ]
> Perhaps the Liebs was admitting he's been acting like a dick lately by
> not acknowledging me, not telling us it is one of his names. Or
> perhaps not.
My intent was neither to fail to acknowledge you, Charles, nor to
admit to that non-existent failure. As a renegade Californian of
sorts myself, I have followed your westward odyssey with concern and
admiration. May you grow and flourish.
Anyway, you are a force of nature and require no acknowledgment. I
do have a few commas for sale if you're still in the market.
--
The Liebs
"Dick" but not a dick (tell 'em, Rey)
Reinhold (Rey) Aman
[...]
> --
> The Liebs
> "Dick" but not a dick (tell 'em, Rey)
No need to, Richard, because you've already explained it many months
ago. Advice for alcohol-ravished brains and sub-Saharan morons:
http://www.sonic.net/maledicta/Google_Bart.jpg
--
Reinhold (Rey) Aman
Emeritus & Eremitus
Martin Ambuhl
> No need to, Richard, because you've already explained it many months
> ago. Advice for alcohol-ravished brains and sub-Saharan morons:
>
> http://www.sonic.net/maledicta/Google_Bart.jpg
Why is mrburns in the *.nl domain?
Reinhold (Rey) Aman
> Reinhold (Rey) Aman wrote:
[...]
> > http://www.sonic.net/maledicta/Google_Bart.jpg
> Why is mrburns in the *.nl domain?
Don't know. I got that pic from a friend in Colorado.
--
Reinhold (Rey) Aman
Charles Riggs
<Robert....@Verizon.net> wrote:
>Charles Riggs wrote:
>
>[ ... ]
>
>> Perhaps the Liebs was admitting he's been acting like a dick lately by
>> not acknowledging me, not telling us it is one of his names. Or
>> perhaps not.
>
>My intent was neither to fail to acknowledge you, Charles, nor to
>admit to that non-existent failure. As a renegade Californian of
>sorts myself, I have followed your westward odyssey with concern and
>admiration. May you grow and flourish.
I appreciate the good wishes, but didn't Mr Spock and his kind say
"prosper"? Even if not, I'd prefer that to growing, although with the
huge servings of food from the restaurants here, it may be
unavoidable.
>Anyway, you are a force of nature and require no acknowledgment. I
>do have a few commas for sale if you're still in the market.
If you wouldn't mind. Since the postage charge should be lower now
I'll be able to afford more of them. I need at least one in a hurry.