Computerese
Chuck Riggs
Can someone tell me what "If you want to use your Kindle and continue
charging, please eject your Kindle from your computer" means, the
message I receive when charging my Kindle from one of the USB ports on
my computer. "Eject" is the word that is tripping me up. The computer
in question uses the Linux operating system, BTW, if that makes a
difference.
--
Regards,
Chuck Riggs,
An American who lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE
Roland Hutchinson
> Chuck Riggs wrote:
>
>>Can someone tell me what "If you want to use your Kindle and continue
>>charging, please eject your Kindle from your computer" means, the
>>message I receive when charging my Kindle from one of the USB ports on
>>my computer. "Eject" is the word that is tripping me up. The computer in
>>question uses the Linux operating system, BTW, if that makes a
>>difference.
>
> My guess is "tell the computer that the Kindle is no longer to be
> considered 'attached', without physically unplugging it". Without
> knowing more about your environment I can't go into details; under Gnome
> you probably have a right-click menu option for "unmount", which ought
> to do the right thing. In a command-line system, pumount will be
> relevant.
Chuck,
Do you know what distribution/version of Linux and/or which desktop
envirionment or window manager it uses? The exact details of what to do
depend on what your desktop software is.
This is Linux running on an ordinary desktop or laptop computer, right?
(rather than some special-purpose device).
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... comparable to being ruler of an exceptionally small duchy.
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Roland Hutchinson
> Chuck Riggs wrote:
>
>>Can someone tell me what "If you want to use your Kindle and continue
>>charging, please eject your Kindle from your computer" means, the
>>message I receive when charging my Kindle from one of the USB ports on
>>my computer. "Eject" is the word that is tripping me up. The computer in
>>question uses the Linux operating system, BTW, if that makes a
>>difference.
>
> My guess is "tell the computer that the Kindle is no longer to be
> considered 'attached', without physically unplugging it". Without
> knowing more about your environment I can't go into details; under Gnome
> you probably have a right-click menu option for "unmount", which ought
> to do the right thing. In a command-line system, pumount will be
> relevant.
Chuck,
Do you know what distribution/version of Linux and/or which desktop
environment or window manager it uses? The exact details of what to do
Django Cat
>
> Can someone tell me what "If you want to use your Kindle and continue
> charging, please eject your Kindle from your computer" means, the
> message I receive when charging my Kindle from one of the USB ports on
> my computer. "Eject" is the word that is tripping me up. The computer
> in question uses the Linux operating system, BTW, if that makes a
> difference.
The same terminology is used with iPods, Charles. They actually mean
'disconnect'.
DC
--
Nick
I don't think they do, because you are using the USB connection for
charging it IIUC. So "unmount" is the real computerese. Eject is
clearly wrong - if it's "ejected" it's not connected at all so can't
continue charging.
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the Omrud
> "Django Cat" <nota...@address.co.uk> writes:
>
>> Chuck Riggs wrote:
>>
>>> Can someone tell me what "If you want to use your Kindle and continue
>>> charging, please eject your Kindle from your computer" means, the
>>> message I receive when charging my Kindle from one of the USB ports on
>>> my computer. "Eject" is the word that is tripping me up. The computer
>>> in question uses the Linux operating system, BTW, if that makes a
>>> difference.
>> The same terminology is used with iPods, Charles. They actually mean
>> 'disconnect'.
>
> I don't think they do, because you are using the USB connection for
> charging it IIUC. So "unmount" is the real computerese. Eject is
> clearly wrong - if it's "ejected" it's not connected at all so can't
> continue charging.
It is common for MP3 players to behave differently when connected to a
computer and to a simple USB power unit for charging. One of mine can
be used to play music while connected to a simple power supply (e.g. in
the car), but not while connected to the computer.
I think Roger was probably right - it means "tell the computer that the
device is no longer attached". It's never occurred to me to check, but
I wouldn't be surprised if this disconnects the USB/PC signal, but not
the power.
--
David
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
That's what happens with my USB sticks, USB disks and another USB device
when connected to MS Windows (Vista and 98SE). When told to "Safely
Remove" (Vista terminology) the OS checks that the device is not in use
by any process or program and, if necessary, writes cached data to the
USB storage and "disconnects" the device from the OS. The power to USB
devices is permanently on. It is not switched. This can be made use of
to charge a mobile phone using a suitable cable.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/LINDY-Mobile-Phone-Charger-Nokia/dp/B00008A94P
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
Evan Kirshenbaum
> That's what happens with my USB sticks, USB disks and another USB device
> when connected to MS Windows (Vista and 98SE). When told to "Safely
> Remove" (Vista terminology) the OS checks that the device is not in use
> by any process or program and, if necessary, writes cached data to the
> USB storage and "disconnects" the device from the OS. The power to USB
> devices is permanently on. It is not switched.
For some value of "not switched". When I got my iPod and realized
that it continued charging after (soft) ejecting it, I leapt to the
conclusion that I could probably suspend the laptop (which was plugged
in) and it would continue to do so. Turned out not to be the case.
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Peter Moylan
> That's what happens with my USB sticks, USB disks and another USB device
> when connected to MS Windows (Vista and 98SE). When told to "Safely
> Remove" (Vista terminology) the OS checks that the device is not in use
> by any process or program and, if necessary, writes cached data to the
> USB storage and "disconnects" the device from the OS. The power to USB
> devices is permanently on. It is not switched. This can be made use of
> to charge a mobile phone using a suitable cable.
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/LINDY-Mobile-Phone-Charger-Nokia/dp/B00008A94P
The first time I tried to charge my mobile phone at work, I discovered
that Windows would not let me do it until I tracked down and installed a
device driver for that particular phone. Without the device driver
installed, it refused to turn on the USB power.
--
Peter Moylan, Newcastle, NSW, Australia. http://www.pmoylan.org
For an e-mail address, see my web page.
John Varela
wrote:
>
> Can someone tell me what "If you want to use your Kindle and continue
> charging, please eject your Kindle from your computer" means, the
> message I receive when charging my Kindle from one of the USB ports on
> my computer. "Eject" is the word that is tripping me up. The computer
> in question uses the Linux operating system, BTW, if that makes a
> difference.
"Eject" is Applespeak for what Unix calls "unmount": ignore this
device even though it remains physically connected. (Apple has an
unfortunate predeliction for using non-standard terminology. In
this case, I believe Apple uses "eject" for historical reasons going
back to the first Macs, which had only a floppy for external
storage.)
Why Amazon would use Mac terminolgy in the Kindle I do not know.
Perhaps they believe their target customers are also iPod users and
have learned Apple usage by that path.
--
John Varela
Trade NEWlamps for OLDlamps for email
Skitt
> the Omrud wrote:
>> Nick wrote:
Add Windows XP to that list.
--
Skitt (AmE)
Skitt
> Chuck Riggs wrote:
>> Can someone tell me what "If you want to use your Kindle and continue
>> charging, please eject your Kindle from your computer" means, the
>> message I receive when charging my Kindle from one of the USB ports
>> on my computer. "Eject" is the word that is tripping me up. The
>> computer in question uses the Linux operating system, BTW, if that
>> makes a difference.
>
> "Eject" is Applespeak for what Unix calls "unmount": ignore this
> device even though it remains physically connected. (Apple has an
> unfortunate predeliction for using non-standard terminology. In
> this case, I believe Apple uses "eject" for historical reasons going
> back to the first Macs, which had only a floppy for external
> storage.)
>
> Why Amazon would use Mac terminolgy in the Kindle I do not know.
> Perhaps they believe their target customers are also iPod users and
> have learned Apple usage by that path.
"Eject" is also the terminology the U3 system on my PNY Attach� flash drive
uses. The 1G drive came pre-loaded with OpenOffice, Opera, Thunderbird, and
a registry cleaner program.
--
Skitt (AmE)
Nick
> John Varela wrote:
>> Chuck Riggs wrote:
>
>>> Can someone tell me what "If you want to use your Kindle and continue
>>> charging, please eject your Kindle from your computer" means, the
>>> message I receive when charging my Kindle from one of the USB ports
>>> on my computer. "Eject" is the word that is tripping me up. The
>>> computer in question uses the Linux operating system, BTW, if that
>>> makes a difference.
>>
>> "Eject" is Applespeak for what Unix calls "unmount": ignore this
>> device even though it remains physically connected. (Apple has an
>> unfortunate predeliction for using non-standard terminology. In
>> this case, I believe Apple uses "eject" for historical reasons going
>> back to the first Macs, which had only a floppy for external
>> storage.)
>>
>> Why Amazon would use Mac terminolgy in the Kindle I do not know.
>> Perhaps they believe their target customers are also iPod users and
>> have learned Apple usage by that path.
>
> "Eject" is also the terminology the U3 system on my PNY Attaché flash
> drive uses. The 1G drive came pre-loaded with OpenOffice, Opera,
> Thunderbird, and a registry cleaner program.
It's a shame, because on the things where "eject" came from - cassettes
of one sort of another - it was "stop" that was the closest analogy to
this. "Stop" would remove all interaction with the medium, eject would
physically remove it.
the Omrud
> "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <ma...@peterduncanson.net> writes:
>
>> That's what happens with my USB sticks, USB disks and another USB device
>> when connected to MS Windows (Vista and 98SE). When told to "Safely
>> Remove" (Vista terminology) the OS checks that the device is not in use
>> by any process or program and, if necessary, writes cached data to the
>> USB storage and "disconnects" the device from the OS. The power to USB
>> devices is permanently on. It is not switched.
>
> For some value of "not switched". When I got my iPod and realized
> that it continued charging after (soft) ejecting it, I leapt to the
> conclusion that I could probably suspend the laptop (which was plugged
> in) and it would continue to do so. Turned out not to be the case.
Not laptops, indeed, but my desktops' USB power remains on when the
computers themselves are switched off, but still connected to the mains.
--
David
Chuck Riggs
<roger+a...@nospam.firedrake.org> wrote:
>Chuck Riggs wrote:
>
>>Can someone tell me what "If you want to use your Kindle and continue
>>charging, please eject your Kindle from your computer" means, the
>>message I receive when charging my Kindle from one of the USB ports on
>>my computer. "Eject" is the word that is tripping me up. The computer
>>in question uses the Linux operating system, BTW, if that makes a
>>difference.
>
>My guess is "tell the computer that the Kindle is no longer to be
>considered 'attached', without physically unplugging it". Without
>knowing more about your environment I can't go into details; under Gnome
>you probably have a right-click menu option for "unmount", which ought
>to do the right thing. In a command-line system, pumount will be
>relevant.
I looked for such a command, with no luck.
Chuck Riggs
<my.sp...@verizon.net> wrote:
>On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:05:14 +0000, Roger Burton West wrote:
>
>> Chuck Riggs wrote:
>>
>>>Can someone tell me what "If you want to use your Kindle and continue
>>>charging, please eject your Kindle from your computer" means, the
>>>message I receive when charging my Kindle from one of the USB ports on
>>>my computer. "Eject" is the word that is tripping me up. The computer in
>>>question uses the Linux operating system, BTW, if that makes a
>>>difference.
>>
>> My guess is "tell the computer that the Kindle is no longer to be
>> considered 'attached', without physically unplugging it". Without
>> knowing more about your environment I can't go into details; under Gnome
>> you probably have a right-click menu option for "unmount", which ought
>> to do the right thing. In a command-line system, pumount will be
>> relevant.
>
>Chuck,
>
>Do you know what distribution/version of Linux and/or which desktop
>envirionment or window manager it uses? The exact details of what to do
>depend on what your desktop software is.
>
>This is Linux running on an ordinary desktop or laptop computer, right?
>(rather than some special-purpose device).
It is running on a cheapie laptop, an ASUS.
Chuck Riggs
Charles will probably relay that information to Chuck.
Chuck Riggs
My hunch at this point is that I simply need to put up with the
inconvenience and not use my Kindle while it is charging.
Chuck Riggs
<pe...@pmoylan.org.not.china> wrote:
>Peter Duncanson (BrE) wrote:
>
>> That's what happens with my USB sticks, USB disks and another USB device
>> when connected to MS Windows (Vista and 98SE). When told to "Safely
>> Remove" (Vista terminology) the OS checks that the device is not in use
>> by any process or program and, if necessary, writes cached data to the
>> USB storage and "disconnects" the device from the OS. The power to USB
>> devices is permanently on. It is not switched. This can be made use of
>> to charge a mobile phone using a suitable cable.
>> http://www.amazon.co.uk/LINDY-Mobile-Phone-Charger-Nokia/dp/B00008A94P
>
>The first time I tried to charge my mobile phone at work, I discovered
>that Windows would not let me do it until I tracked down and installed a
>device driver for that particular phone. Without the device driver
>installed, it refused to turn on the USB power.
My USB power is on, at least.
Chuck Riggs
wrote:
The Kindle refuses to work while it is being charged.
Peter Moylan
Some operating systems use the commands "eject" or "safely remove" or
"detach" for this operation.
Lars Eighner
talented John Varela broadcast on alt.usage.english:
> "Eject" is Applespeak for what Unix calls "unmount":
the command for which is "umount." I often wonder whether more time is
saved by not having to type the "n" than is lost by carelessly forgetting to
omit it.
--
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Christian Weisgerber
> Can someone tell me what "If you want to use your Kindle and continue
> charging, please eject your Kindle from your computer" means, the
> message I receive when charging my Kindle from one of the USB ports on
> my computer. "Eject" is the word that is tripping me up.
As silly as it sounds, you need to eject it. That means you need
to send it the same command for USB mass storage devices that is
also used to eject removable media, i.e., CDs or tapes, from their
respective drives.
> The computer in question uses the Linux operating system, BTW,
> if that makes a difference.
Use whatever you use to eject a CD or DVD.
I'd try the eject subcommand of mt(1), but for all I know you may
have no idea what I am talking about and are staring at GNOME or
KDE menus.
--
Christian "naddy" Weisgerber na...@mips.inka.de
Mark Brader
> > "Eject" is Applespeak for what Unix calls "unmount":
> the command for which is "umount." I often wonder whether more time is
> saved by not having to type the "n" than is lost by carelessly forgetting
> to omit it.
There is a story to the effect that Ken Thompson was asked what he would
have done differently if UNIX was being redesigned from scratch. And
that he answered: "I'd spell creat() with an E."
--
Mark Brader, Toronto, m...@vex.net
In the absence of the ability to redirect output and input, a still
clumsier method would have been to require the "ls" command to accept user
requests to paginate its output, to print in multi-column format, and
to arrange that its output be delivered off-line. Actually it would be
surprising, and in fact unwise for efficiency reasons, to expect authors
of commands such as "ls" to provide such a wide variety of output options.
-- Ritchie & Thompson
Christian Weisgerber
> "Eject" is Applespeak for what Unix calls "unmount":
Actually, I think Apple's "eject" combines the actions of unmounting
and ejecting, although the latter has only meaning for removable
media devices.
> ignore this device even though it remains physically connected.
That is somewhat misleading. To quote Wikipedia, "Mounting, in
computing, is the process of making a file system ready for use by
the operating system, typically by reading certain index data
structures from storage into memory ahead of time." Unmounting
refers to the operating system relinquishing the file system.
Before you use a file system, it needs to be mounted, and if you
want to remove it, it needs to be unmounted. If a mounted file
system just goes away, some data may have not yet been written, and
you risk file system corruption, data loss, and possibly a system
crash.
Amazon's solution makes eminent sense. Since being "mounted" is a
state on the host computer, not on the device, it is hard for the
Kindle to tell if it has been mounted and impossible to tell if it
has been unmounted. If both the Kindle and the host computer were
to write on the Kindle's file system in parallel, corruption would
result, so the Kindle requires to be "ejected" first, which an
operating system either won't let you do unless you unmount the
file system first or it automatically unmounts it. Cleverly, the
Kindle waits for a USB mass storage EJECT command, which is otherwise
used to eject removable media (CD/DVD, tape), as a signal that it
is in fact not mounted.
Evan Kirshenbaum
> Chuck Riggs wrote:
>> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 13:05:14 +0000 (UTC), Roger Burton West
>> <roger+a...@nospam.firedrake.org> wrote:
>
>>> My guess is "tell the computer that the Kindle is no longer to be
>>> considered 'attached', without physically unplugging it". Without
>>> knowing more about your environment I can't go into details; under
>>> Gnome you probably have a right-click menu option for "unmount",
>>> which ought to do the right thing. In a command-line system,
>>> pumount will be relevant.
>> I looked for such a command, with no luck.
>
> Some operating systems use the commands "eject" or "safely remove"
> or "detach" for this operation.
Who uses "detach"? Under TOPS-20, "detatch" meant "detatch this job
(i.e., user session) from this terminal" in a way that you could
"attach" to it again later from somewhere else.
Unix uses "unmount".
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Evan Kirshenbaum
> Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org.not.china> writes:
>
>> Some operating systems use the commands "eject" or "safely remove"
>> or "detach" for this operation.
>
> Who uses "detach"? Under TOPS-20, "detatch" meant "detatch this job
or "detach" if you're picky about spelling.
> (i.e., user session) from this terminal" in a way that you could
> "attach" to it again later from somewhere else.
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Evan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------
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|That we couldn't.
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Roland Hutchinson
Try this:
Assuming that your distro uses the Gnome desktop environment, go to the
"Places" menu (in the panel at the top or bottom of your screen, wherever
they've put the top-level menus) > select "Computer" and up pops a
window showing all the mounted drives > right-click on the the icon for
the Kindle that you will (hopefully) find there, and select "Unmount
Volume".
If your distro uses KDE, let us know.
Evan Kirshenbaum
> Assuming that your distro uses the Gnome desktop environment, go to the
> "Places" menu (in the panel at the top or bottom of your screen, wherever
> they've put the top-level menus)
I have to say that anybody who uses a system in which the "top-level
menus" are at the bottom of the screen has no standing to ridicule a
system that has users shut down the system by using a "start menu".
--
Evan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------
HP Laboratories |The look on our faces isn't confusion.
1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |It's disbelief.
Palo Alto, CA 94304 |
| Jon Stewart
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(650)857-7572
Roland Hutchinson
> Roland Hutchinson <my.sp...@verizon.net> writes:
>
>> Assuming that your distro uses the Gnome desktop environment, go to the
>> "Places" menu (in the panel at the top or bottom of your screen,
>> wherever they've put the top-level menus)
>
> I have to say that anybody who uses a system in which the "top-level
> menus" are at the bottom of the screen has no standing to ridicule a
> system that has users shut down the system by using a "start menu".
Which is why most sensible distros put them at the top. But there's no
accounting for taste. Some like to imitate as closely as possible the
look and feel of the world's most popular virus-hosting software.
Roland Hutchinson
> Roland Hutchinson <my.sp...@verizon.net> writes:
>
>> Assuming that your distro uses the Gnome desktop environment, go to the
>> "Places" menu (in the panel at the top or bottom of your screen,
>> wherever they've put the top-level menus)
>
> I have to say that anybody who uses a system in which the "top-level
> menus" are at the bottom of the screen has no standing to ridicule a
> system that has users shut down the system by using a "start menu".
Which is why most sensible distros put them at the top. But there's no
accounting for taste. Some like to imitate as closely as possible the
look and feel of the world's most popular virus-hosting software.
--
Nick
Is that an Eee? If so, there's a little USB icon down in the bottom
right near the battery/power indicator. Right-click on that.
Mark Brader
> I have to say that anybody who uses a system in which the "top-level
I have to say that anybody who works with computers and thinks that
"top-level" refers to physical position ... aaaah, never mind.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto | "Anyone who can handle a needle convincingly can make
m...@vex.net | us see a thread which is not there." --E.H. Gombrich
Evan Kirshenbaum
> Evan Kirshenbaum:
>> I have to say that anybody who uses a system in which the "top-level
>> menus" are at the bottom of the screen ...
>
> I have to say that anybody who works with computers and thinks that
> "top-level" refers to physical position ... aaaah, never mind.
Of course. The "top-level" refers to the root, and everybody knows
that a tree's roots are at the top and its leaves are at the bottom.
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
<kirsh...@hpl.hp.com> wrote:
>m...@vex.net (Mark Brader) writes:
>
>> Evan Kirshenbaum:
>>> I have to say that anybody who uses a system in which the "top-level
>>> menus" are at the bottom of the screen ...
>>
>> I have to say that anybody who works with computers and thinks that
>> "top-level" refers to physical position ... aaaah, never mind.
>
>Of course. The "top-level" refers to the root, and everybody knows
>that a tree's roots are at the top and its leaves are at the bottom.
Everybody - once they've twigged.
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
Mark Brader
> Of course. The "top-level" refers to the root, and everybody knows
> that a tree's roots are at the top and its leaves are at the bottom.
LOL! Nice comeback.
--
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m...@vex.net the square root of all evil.
Robin Bignall
Yes indeed. I usually bring my computer from hibernation by pressing
the space bar or moving the mouse, both USB. It won't work if the
machine has been shut down, though.
--
Robin
(BrE)
Herts, England
Skitt
> the Omrud wrote:
>> Evan Kirshenbaum wrote:
>>>> That's what happens with my USB sticks, USB disks and another USB
>>>> device when connected to MS Windows (Vista and 98SE). When told to
>>>> "Safely Remove" (Vista terminology) the OS checks that the device
>>>> is not in use by any process or program and, if necessary, writes
>>>> cached data to the USB storage and "disconnects" the device from
>>>> the OS. The power to USB devices is permanently on. It is not
>>>> switched.
>>>
>>> For some value of "not switched". When I got my iPod and realized
>>> that it continued charging after (soft) ejecting it, I leapt to the
>>> conclusion that I could probably suspend the laptop (which was
>>> plugged in) and it would continue to do so. Turned out not to be
>>> the case.
>>
>> Not laptops, indeed, but my desktops' USB power remains on when the
>> computers themselves are switched off, but still connected to the
>> mains.
>
> Yes indeed. I usually bring my computer from hibernation by pressing
> the space bar or moving the mouse, both USB. It won't work if the
> machine has been shut down, though.
That's bringing it back from Stand By. Coming back from Hibernation
requires pushing the computer's On button.
--
Skitt (AmE)
R H Draney
>
>Evan Kirshenbaum:
>> Of course. The "top-level" refers to the root, and everybody knows
>> that a tree's roots are at the top and its leaves are at the bottom.
>
>LOL! Nice comeback.
Have I already told about the editor that let you scroll "down" to the "top" of
a file, or "up" to the "bottom"?...two development teams, two paradigms, zero
communication....r
--
A pessimist sees the glass as half empty.
An optometrist asks whether you see the glass
more full like this?...or like this?
Steve Hayes
>Mark Brader filted:
>>
>>Evan Kirshenbaum:
>>> Of course. The "top-level" refers to the root, and everybody knows
>>> that a tree's roots are at the top and its leaves are at the bottom.
>>
>>LOL! Nice comeback.
>
>Have I already told about the editor that let you scroll "down" to the "top" of
>a file, or "up" to the "bottom"?...two development teams, two paradigms, zero
>communication....r
Don't they meet in the middle somewhere?
--
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Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Roland Hutchinson
> Mark Brader filted:
>>
>>Evan Kirshenbaum:
>>> Of course. The "top-level" refers to the root, and everybody knows
>>> that a tree's roots are at the top and its leaves are at the bottom.
>>
>>LOL! Nice comeback.
>
> Have I already told about the editor that let you scroll "down" to the
> "top" of a file, or "up" to the "bottom"?...two development teams, two
> paradigms, zero communication....r
No, perfectly logical:
Your editor window (or terminal) stays put, and the text scrolls downward
behind it until you are looking at the text that is at the top of the
imaginary vertical scroll that holds the text, the beginning of the
file. (Imagine two rollers at top and bottom behind your screen--say, I
had the home version of TV's "Concentration" when I was a kid, and it
worked just like that!).
Same deal, mutatis mutandis, for scrolling up to the bottom of the file.
Of course NOW we are used to the metaphor that the window moves and the
text stands still -- but that's just a convention, and one settled well
within living memory.
Nick
> Mark Brader filted:
>>
>>Evan Kirshenbaum:
>>> Of course. The "top-level" refers to the root, and everybody knows
>>> that a tree's roots are at the top and its leaves are at the bottom.
>>
>>LOL! Nice comeback.
>
> Have I already told about the editor that let you scroll "down" to the "top" of
> a file, or "up" to the "bottom"?...two development teams, two paradigms, zero
> communication....r
My PVR has a pair of arrow shaped buttons on the remote control. The
top one is Ch+ and increases the channel number, the bottom one is Ch-
and decreases it.
As an additional feature, when it is displaying a block of programme
info then Ch- scrolls down the block and Ch+ up it.
But when it's displaying the list of channels, Ch+ increases the channel
number highlighted, so moves down the page, and Ch- does the opposite.
Steve Hayes
<my.sp...@verizon.net> wrote:
>On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:02:07 -0800, R H Draney wrote:
>
>> Mark Brader filted:
>>>
>>>Evan Kirshenbaum:
>>>> Of course. The "top-level" refers to the root, and everybody knows
>>>> that a tree's roots are at the top and its leaves are at the bottom.
>>>
>>>LOL! Nice comeback.
>>
>> Have I already told about the editor that let you scroll "down" to the
>> "top" of a file, or "up" to the "bottom"?...two development teams, two
>> paradigms, zero communication....r
>
>No, perfectly logical:
>
>Your editor window (or terminal) stays put, and the text scrolls downward
>behind it until you are looking at the text that is at the top of the
>imaginary vertical scroll that holds the text, the beginning of the
>file. (Imagine two rollers at top and bottom behind your screen--say, I
>had the home version of TV's "Concentration" when I was a kid, and it
>worked just like that!).
Actually I was thinking of the development teams meeting in the middle
somewhere and agreeing to something.
On my Yahoo mail they suddenly decided to put my signature at the top of the
message instead of at the bottom, so now I have a bit of boilerplate text to
say "Yahoo in their wisdom have decided to put my signature at the top of the
message, so this is the end of the message, please scroll down to see the
beginning."
Mark Brader
> Of course NOW we are used to the metaphor that the window moves and the
> text stands still -- but that's just a convention, and one settled well
> within living memory.
It is? When did that happen? I always speak of scrolling forward and
back, because I never expect to know which way the other person will
interpret "up" and "down".
--
Mark Brader "One might as well complain about the Sun
Toronto rising in the daytime instead of at night,
m...@vex.net when we need it more." -- John Lawler
R H Draney
>
>R H Draney <dado...@spamcop.net> writes:
>
>> Mark Brader filted:
>>>
>>>Evan Kirshenbaum:
>>>> Of course. The "top-level" refers to the root, and everybody knows
>>>> that a tree's roots are at the top and its leaves are at the bottom.
>>>
>>>LOL! Nice comeback.
>>
>>Have I already told about the editor that let you scroll "down" to the "top" of
>> a file, or "up" to the "bottom"?...two development teams, two paradigms, zero
>> communication....r
>
>My PVR has a pair of arrow shaped buttons on the remote control. The
>top one is Ch+ and increases the channel number, the bottom one is Ch-
>and decreases it.
>
>As an additional feature, when it is displaying a block of programme
>info then Ch- scrolls down the block and Ch+ up it.
>
>But when it's displaying the list of channels, Ch+ increases the channel
>number highlighted, so moves down the page, and Ch- does the opposite.
My television set does the same thing!...r
Django Cat
> On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:35:39 GMT, "Django Cat"
> <nota...@address.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Chuck Riggs wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Can someone tell me what "If you want to use your Kindle and
> continue >> charging, please eject your Kindle from your computer"
> means, the >> message I receive when charging my Kindle from one of
> the USB ports on >> my computer. "Eject" is the word that is tripping
> me up. The computer >> in question uses the Linux operating system,
> BTW, if that makes a >> difference.
> >
> > The same terminology is used with iPods, Charles. They actually
> > mean 'disconnect'.
>
> Charles will probably relay that information to Chuck.
Sorry about that, I must stop multi-tasking...
CD
--
Chuck Riggs
Yes.
>If so, there's a little USB icon down in the bottom
>right near the battery/power indicator. Right-click on that.
I've made a note of that, Nick, and will try it tonight. If I remember
right, I charged the Kindle with my ASUS not powered on last night,
which seemed to work all right. I'm still experimenting, as you can
see.
--
Regards,
Chuck Riggs,
An American who lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE
Chuck Riggs
<pe...@pmoylan.org.not.china> wrote:
>Chuck Riggs wrote:
>> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 13:05:14 +0000 (UTC), Roger Burton West
>> <roger+a...@nospam.firedrake.org> wrote:
>
>>> My guess is "tell the computer that the Kindle is no longer to be
>>> considered 'attached', without physically unplugging it". Without
>>> knowing more about your environment I can't go into details; under Gnome
>>> you probably have a right-click menu option for "unmount", which ought
>>> to do the right thing. In a command-line system, pumount will be
>>> relevant.
>>
>> I looked for such a command, with no luck.
>
>Some operating systems use the commands "eject" or "safely remove" or
>"detach" for this operation.
The ASUS uses Linux.
Chuck Riggs
<my.sp...@verizon.net> wrote:
>On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:05:14 +0000, Roger Burton West wrote:
>
>> Chuck Riggs wrote:
>>
>>>Can someone tell me what "If you want to use your Kindle and continue
>>>charging, please eject your Kindle from your computer" means, the
>>>message I receive when charging my Kindle from one of the USB ports on
>>>my computer. "Eject" is the word that is tripping me up. The computer in
>>>question uses the Linux operating system, BTW, if that makes a
>>>difference.
>>
>> My guess is "tell the computer that the Kindle is no longer to be
>> considered 'attached', without physically unplugging it". Without
>> knowing more about your environment I can't go into details; under Gnome
>> you probably have a right-click menu option for "unmount", which ought
>> to do the right thing. In a command-line system, pumount will be
>> relevant.
>
>Chuck,
>
>Do you know what distribution/version of Linux and/or which desktop
>envirionment or window manager it uses? The exact details of what to do
>depend on what your desktop software is.
>
>This is Linux running on an ordinary desktop or laptop computer, right?
>(rather than some special-purpose device).
Linux on the ASUS IEEE.
Robin Bignall
wrote:
Nope. Hibernation. I don't do standby, which leaves stuff in memory.
Skitt
True, but Hibernate shuts down your machine. Anyway, that's how my Win XP
machine works.
=============
From
http://www.timeatlas.com/term_to_learn/general/understanding_differences_between_hibernate_and_stand_by
An option with a longer perspective is hibernate. Like Stand By, you can
recover your place. The big difference is that your PC has shut down and is
not pulling power. Another difference is that your data is saved to your
hard disk and not RAM. This makes it a safer, but slower option for shut
down and resume.
Hibernate will save your desktop and open files to a special Windows file
called hiberfil.sys. This large file usually resides in your root folder
(c:\hiberfil.sys). The file size closely matches how much RAM your PC has
installed. If you have 2 gigs of RAM on your notebook, you're going to have
to give up 2 gigs of hard disk space. Note: You can delete the hiberfil.sys
file only if you disable hibernate.
When you press your power button, Windows will start and open the files you
were using. The process is not instantaneous as with Stand By, but gets you
to the same place. You may find this option is faster than rebooting, as
Windows doesn't have to do things such as detecting your hardware.
=========
--
Skitt (AmE)
Robin Bignall
wrote:
Yep, that's exactly what it does. Mine will come back from
hibernation with a touch of the power button, and also with any
interrupt from a USB-connected device. Since I have masked off all
such interrupts in BIOS I suspect it's a BIOS bug, but I find it
handy.
Skitt
I see. I had a problem when I had a phone line connected to my computer
modem. Whenever the phone rang, the computer would come to life from a full
shutdown. I'm pretty sure it was a wrong default setting somewhere that I
had not corrected, but I just disconnected the phone line from the modem to
take care of it.
--
Skitt (AmE)
Peter Moylan
> Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org.not.china> writes:
>
>> Chuck Riggs wrote:
>>> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 13:05:14 +0000 (UTC), Roger Burton West
>>> <roger+a...@nospam.firedrake.org> wrote:
>>>> considered 'attached', without physically unplugging it". Without
>>>> knowing more about your environment I can't go into details; under
>>>> Gnome you probably have a right-click menu option for "unmount",
>>>> which ought to do the right thing. In a command-line system,
>>>> pumount will be relevant.
>> Some operating systems use the commands "eject" or "safely remove"
>> or "detach" for this operation.
>
> (i.e., user session) from this terminal" in a way that you could
> "attach" to it again later from somewhere else.
Now that I think of it, "detach" has this meaning, or similar, in every
operating system I know about, so I was probably misremembering.
--
Peter Moylan, Newcastle, NSW, Australia. http://www.pmoylan.org
For an e-mail address, see my web page.
Roland Hutchinson
> Roland Hutchinson:
>> Of course NOW we are used to the metaphor that the window moves and the
>> text stands still -- but that's just a convention, and one settled well
>> within living memory.
>
> It is? When did that happen?
When IBM put PageUp and PageDown keys on the IBM-PC keyboard, maybe.
> I always speak of scrolling forward and
> back, because I never expect to know which way the other person will
> interpret "up" and "down".
Very sensible, but surely the standard web-page instruction to "scroll
down" is unambiguous, at least to the computer-savvy. I mean, the
"thumb" in the scroll bar moves downward (in the direction that gravity
pulls) and everything.
Chuck Riggs
Robin Bignall
wrote:
>Robin Bignall wrote:
>> "Skitt" wrote:
[PC hibernation]
>>> When you press your power button, Windows will start and open the
>>> files you were using. The process is not instantaneous as with Stand
>>> By, but gets you to the same place. You may find this option is
>>> faster than rebooting, as Windows doesn't have to do things such as
>>> detecting your hardware.
>>>
>> Yep, that's exactly what it does. Mine will come back from
>> hibernation with a touch of the power button, and also with any
>> interrupt from a USB-connected device. Since I have masked off all
>> such interrupts in BIOS I suspect it's a BIOS bug, but I find it
>> handy.
>
>I see. I had a problem when I had a phone line connected to my computer
>modem. Whenever the phone rang, the computer would come to life from a full
>shutdown. I'm pretty sure it was a wrong default setting somewhere that I
>had not corrected, but I just disconnected the phone line from the modem to
>take care of it.
Now that one can definitely be disabled in my BIOS, as can powering up
from PCI, PCIE or PS/2 keyboard devices, or RTC alarms, whatever they
are. But USB devices are undefined.