Skipping?

[J. J. Lodder]

Question from a friend, about a sentence from a book, about an older
woman, described as 'an unreedeemed hippy'.
=====
In her day, she had been very pretty, too – one of those flower children
who had skipped bare-breasted at Woodstock.
=====

What does 'skipped' mean, in this context?
Is it just the ordinary meaning of passing over?

And another one, from myself:
How to interpret 'We skipped the light fandango'
Is it the same?

Jan
(not cartwheeling)

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

On 2022-02-11 09:29:00 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:

> Question from a friend, about a sentence from a book, about an older
> woman, described as 'an unreedeemed hippy'.
> =====
> In her day, she had been very pretty, too – one of those flower children
> who had skipped bare-breasted at Woodstock.
> =====
>
> What does 'skipped' mean, in this context?

Leaping up and down, like a child playing.

> Is it just the ordinary meaning of passing over?
>
> And another one, from myself:
> How to interpret 'We skipped the light fandango'
> Is it the same?
>
> Jan
> (not cartwheeling)

--
Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.

[Richard Heathfield]

On 11/02/2022 9:37 am, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2022-02-11 09:29:00 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
>
>> Question from a friend, about a sentence from a book, about an older
>> woman, described as 'an unreedeemed hippy'.
>> =====
>> In her day, she had been very pretty, too – one of those flower children
>> who had skipped bare-breasted at Woodstock.
>> =====
>>
>> What does 'skipped' mean, in this context?
>
> Leaping up and down, like a child playing.

Well, "skipping" is a specific gait, common in but not limited to
children, in which one bounces each step to take a second short step
with the same foot before swapping feet. (Yes, I know it sounds
ridiculous, but it works if you have momentum, and if there's one thing
a typical five-year-old has in abundance, it's momentum.)

--
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

[occam]

On 11/02/2022 10:29, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Question from a friend, about a sentence from a book, about an older
> woman, described as 'an unreedeemed hippy'.
> =====
> In her day, she had been very pretty, too – one of those flower children
> who had skipped bare-breasted at Woodstock.
> =====
>
> What does 'skipped' mean, in this context?

"Jumped around"

> Is it just the ordinary meaning of passing over?
>
> And another one, from myself:
> How to interpret 'We skipped the light fandango'
> Is it the same?

To skip something could mean to forgo the opportunity ("I skipped the
Maths lesson yesterday to go to the museum").

However the light fandango (dance?) suggests 'danced lightly"


>
> Jan
> (not cartwheeling)
>
>
>
>

[occam]

On 11/02/2022 10:48, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 11/02/2022 9:37 am, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>> On 2022-02-11 09:29:00 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
>>
>>> Question from a friend, about a sentence from a book, about an older
>>> woman, described as 'an unreedeemed hippy'.
>>> =====
>>> In her day, she had been very pretty, too – one of those flower children
>>> who had skipped bare-breasted at Woodstock.
>>> =====
>>>
>>> What does 'skipped' mean, in this context?
>>
>> Leaping up and down, like a child playing.
>
> Well, "skipping" is a specific gait, common in but not limited to
> children, in which one bounces each step to take a second short step
> with the same foot before swapping feet. (Yes, I know it sounds
> ridiculous, but it works if you have momentum, and if there's one thing
> a typical five-year-old has in abundance, it's momentum.)
>

That's 'skip' as in "...hop, skip and jump". However you can also
"skip rope" (as boxers do in training).

[Richard Heathfield]

Probably not much skipping rope at Woodstock.

Maybe some, I'll grant you.

But bare-breasted? Sounds unlikely. And uncomfortable.

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

On 2022-02-11 09:48:12 +0000, Richard Heathfield said:

> On 11/02/2022 9:37 am, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>> On 2022-02-11 09:29:00 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
>>
>>> Question from a friend, about a sentence from a book, about an older
>>> woman, described as 'an unreedeemed hippy'.
>>> =====
>>> In her day, she had been very pretty, too – one of those flower children
>>> who had skipped bare-breasted at Woodstock.
>>> =====
>>>
>>> What does 'skipped' mean, in this context?
>>
>> Leaping up and down, like a child playing.
>
> Well, "skipping" is a specific gait, common in but not limited to
> children, in which one bounces each step to take a second short step
> with the same foot before swapping feet.

OK, but I'm not sure that that's what the young women at Woodstock were
doing. (No, I wasn't there.)

> (Yes, I know it sounds ridiculous, but it works if you have momentum,
> and if there's one thing a typical five-year-old has in abundance, it's
> momentum.)


--

[Richard Heathfield]

On 11/02/2022 10:44 am, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2022-02-11 09:48:12 +0000, Richard Heathfield said:
>
>> On 11/02/2022 9:37 am, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>> On 2022-02-11 09:29:00 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
>>>
>>>> Question from a friend, about a sentence from a book, about an older
>>>> woman, described as 'an unreedeemed hippy'.
>>>> =====
>>>> In her day, she had been very pretty, too – one of those flower
>>>> children
>>>> who had skipped bare-breasted at Woodstock.
>>>> =====
>>>>
>>>> What does 'skipped' mean, in this context?
>>>
>>> Leaping up and down, like a child playing.
>>
>> Well, "skipping" is a specific gait, common in but not limited to
>> children, in which one bounces each step to take a second short step
>> with the same foot before swapping feet.
>
> OK, but I'm not sure that that's what the young women at Woodstock were
> doing.

OK, but I'd be very surprised if it weren't.

> (No, I wasn't there.)

Neither was I, but it fits in with the spirit of Woodstock as it has
been remembered in popular culture. Skipping is a carefree, uninhibited
gait, and it seems to come naturally to the carefree and uninhibited in
carefree, uninhibited environments such as parks, beaches, or... well...
Woodstock.

[occam]

On 11/02/2022 10:58, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 11/02/2022 9:52 am, occam wrote:
>> On 11/02/2022 10:48, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>> On 11/02/2022 9:37 am, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>>> On 2022-02-11 09:29:00 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
>>>>
>>>>> Question from a friend, about a sentence from a book, about an older
>>>>> woman, described as 'an unreedeemed hippy'.
>>>>> =====
>>>>> In her day, she had been very pretty, too – one of those flower
>>>>> children
>>>>> who had skipped bare-breasted at Woodstock.
>>>>> =====
>>>>>
>>>>> What does 'skipped' mean, in this context?
>>>>
>>>> Leaping up and down, like a child playing.
>>>
>>> Well, "skipping" is a specific gait, common in but not limited to
>>> children, in which one bounces each step to take a second short step
>>> with the same foot before swapping feet. (Yes, I know it sounds
>>> ridiculous, but it works if you have momentum, and if there's one thing
>>> a typical five-year-old has in abundance, it's momentum.)
>>>
>>
>>
>> That's 'skip' as in  "...hop, skip and jump".  However you can also
>> "skip rope" (as boxers do in training).
>
> Probably not much skipping rope at Woodstock.
>
> Maybe some, I'll grant you.
>
> But bare-breasted? Sounds unlikely. And uncomfortable.

Have you heard of nudist volleyball? Available at most reputable nudist
camps. Yes, bare-breasted. Yes, perhaps uncomfortable. But not unlikely.

The term I would use for Woodstock attendees would have been
'frolicking' rather than 'skipping'.
>

[J. J. Lodder]

occam <nob...@nowhere.nix> wrote:

> On 11/02/2022 10:48, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> > On 11/02/2022 9:37 am, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> >> On 2022-02-11 09:29:00 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
> >>
> >>> Question from a friend, about a sentence from a book, about an older
> >>> woman, described as 'an unreedeemed hippy'.
> >>> =====
> >>> In her day, she had been very pretty, too – one of those flower children
> >>> who had skipped bare-breasted at Woodstock.
> >>> =====
> >>>
> >>> What does 'skipped' mean, in this context?
> >>
> >> Leaping up and down, like a child playing.
> >
> > Well, "skipping" is a specific gait, common in but not limited to
> > children, in which one bounces each step to take a second short step
> > with the same foot before swapping feet. (Yes, I know it sounds
> > ridiculous, but it works if you have momentum, and if there's one thing
> > a typical five-year-old has in abundance, it's momentum.)

OK, so that's it, thanks.

> That's 'skip' as in "...hop, skip and jump". However you can also
> "skip rope" (as boxers do in training).

Ah yes, that rings a bell.
There is 'double bounce' or 'slow' rope skipping.
(two jumps for one passage of the rope, the second possibly smaller)
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao_vP1nYqPo>

There is also the opposite, passing the rope twice for one jump,
but I don't know what that is called.
It is a vigorous excercise, beyond me.

There are rope jump songs for that,
also for one in four jumps being double,

Jan

[J. J. Lodder]

Athel Cornish-Bowden <acor...@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:

> On 2022-02-11 09:29:00 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
>
> > Question from a friend, about a sentence from a book, about an older
> > woman, described as 'an unreedeemed hippy'.
> > =====
> > In her day, she had been very pretty, too – one of those flower children
> > who had skipped bare-breasted at Woodstock.
> > =====
> >
> > What does 'skipped' mean, in this context?
>
> Leaping up and down, like a child playing.

So she was a happy hippy.
Perhaps jumping to the beat,
three small hops and one big one, for 4/4,
or alternating small and big,

Jan

[J. J. Lodder]

Sorry, should have given more context,

Jan

--

We skipped the light fandango

Turned cartwheels 'cross the floor
I was feeling kinda seasick
The crowd called out for more
The room was humming harder
As the ceiling flew away
When we called out for another drink
The waiter brought a tray
And so it was that later
As the miller told his tale
That her face, at first just ghostly
Turned a whiter shade of pale

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Woodstock was a bit far away for me, but Altamont was within reach.
It's more or less close to Tracy, where one of my daughters lives. I
didn't go there in 1969, however, so I missed all the violence.

[Janet]

In article <1pn7j83.2hmgd1156sbhtN%nos...@de-ster.demon.nl>, nospam@de-
ster.demon.nl says...

>
> Question from a friend, about a sentence from a book, about an older
> woman, described as 'an unreedeemed hippy'.
> =====

> In her day, she had been very pretty, too ? one of those flower children

> who had skipped bare-breasted at Woodstock.
> =====
>
> What does 'skipped' mean, in this context?
> Is it just the ordinary meaning of passing over?

No, skipped meaning gambolled, cavorted, capered, danced.

>
> And another one, from myself:
> How to interpret 'We skipped the light fandango'
> Is it the same?

See above.

Janet

[Richard Heathfield]

Such places are not my cup of tea. I grant the point, of course, but
although I would estimate that unbound rope-skipping would be far more
painful than unbound volleyball, I suspect that a vicarious discussion
of the relative levels of discomfort produced by assorted variations of
feminine bouncing au naturelle is unlikely to be productive.

> The term I would use for Woodstock attendees would have been
> 'frolicking' rather than 'skipping'.

Unless, of course, you were specifically referring to the skipping gait,
in which case might you not risk a "skipping"? Do you think that might
be why the original author selected the word "skipped" in the book
mentioned above? I mean /maybe/?

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 4:48:18 AM UTC-5, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 11/02/2022 9:37 am, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> > On 2022-02-11 09:29:00 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:

> >> Question from a friend, about a sentence from a book, about an older
> >> woman, described as 'an unreedeemed hippy'.
> >> =====
> >> In her day, she had been very pretty, too – one of those flower children
> >> who had skipped bare-breasted at Woodstock.
> >> =====
> >> What does 'skipped' mean, in this context?
> > Leaping up and down, like a child playing.
>
> Well, "skipping" is a specific gait, common in but not limited to
> children, in which one bounces each step to take a second short step
> with the same foot before swapping feet. (Yes, I know it sounds
> ridiculous, but it works if you have momentum, and if there's one thing
> a typical five-year-old has in abundance, it's momentum.)

RH has it right.

Athel, occam, and Janet all have it wrong.

[Jerry Friedman]

On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 5:42:00 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> occam <nob...@nowhere.nix> wrote:
>
> > On 11/02/2022 10:29, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > Question from a friend, about a sentence from a book, about an older
> > > woman, described as 'an unreedeemed hippy'.
> > > =====
> > > In her day, she had been very pretty, too – one of those flower children
> > > who had skipped bare-breasted at Woodstock.
> > > =====
> > >
> > > What does 'skipped' mean, in this context?
> >
> > "Jumped around"
> >
> > > Is it just the ordinary meaning of passing over?
> > >
> > > And another one, from myself:
> > > How to interpret 'We skipped the light fandango'
> > > Is it the same?
> >
> > To skip something could mean to forgo the opportunity ("I skipped the
> > Maths lesson yesterday to go to the museum").
> >
> > However the light fandango (dance?) suggests 'danced lightly"

> Sorry, should have given more context,

I recognized it at least.

> Jan
>
> --
> We skipped the light fandango
> Turned cartwheels 'cross the floor
> I was feeling kinda seasick
> The crowd called out for more
> The room was humming harder
> As the ceiling flew away
> When we called out for another drink
> The waiter brought a tray
> And so it was that later
> As the miller told his tale
> That her face, at first just ghostly
> Turned a whiter shade of pale

An alteration of "tripped the light fantastic", meaning "danced",
from Milton's poem "L'Allegro":

Come, and trip it as ye go
On the light fantastick toe.

It means just as much as the rest of the lyrics. I like the song,
but that line does to Milton what the music does to Bach.

Fighting STS with STS: Some posters here may at some time have
tripped the light fantastic on the sidewalks of New York.

--
Jerry Friedman

[Quinn C]

* Peter T. Daniels:

It's what I thought, too, but isn't it unusual to appear so nakedly, no
pun intended? I'd expect "skipped around", "skipped in the mud" or
something like that.

It's different when the activity is one that's scheduled at the event:
"She ran at the Tokyo Olympics", but if Woodstock held skipping
competitions, that's news to me.

--
Jesus is like Elvis - I love the guy, but the fan club scares me.
-- John Fugelsang

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 10:31:49 AM UTC-5, Quinn C wrote:
> * Peter T. Daniels:
> > On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 4:48:18 AM UTC-5, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> >> On 11/02/2022 9:37 am, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> >>> On 2022-02-11 09:29:00 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:

> >>>> Question from a friend, about a sentence from a book, about an older
> >>>> woman, described as 'an unreedeemed hippy'.
> >>>> =====
> >>>> In her day, she had been very pretty, too – one of those flower children
> >>>> who had skipped bare-breasted at Woodstock.
> >>>> =====
> >>>> What does 'skipped' mean, in this context?
> >>> Leaping up and down, like a child playing.
> >> Well, "skipping" is a specific gait, common in but not limited to
> >> children, in which one bounces each step to take a second short step
> >> with the same foot before swapping feet. (Yes, I know it sounds
> >> ridiculous, but it works if you have momentum, and if there's one thing
> >> a typical five-year-old has in abundance, it's momentum.)
> >
> > RH has it right.
>
> It's what I thought, too, but isn't it unusual to appear so nakedly, no
> pun intended? I'd expect "skipped around", "skipped in the mud" or

I don't see how. "Skip" really doesn't have those generalized Brit
meanings without the extra words.

> It's different when the activity is one that's scheduled at the event:
> "She ran at the Tokyo Olympics", but if Woodstock held skipping
> competitions, that's news to me.

"She ran at her attacker and intimidated him into fleeing."

[Mack A. Damia]

Moving right along with racial stereotyping, I have noticed that
Blacks seem to be portrayed in commercials as silly people. Same with
"men" in general, but on a lesser scale.

Check out Skippy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_tbCBlNSLw

[Tony Cooper]

On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 10:31:41 -0500, Quinn C
<lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:

>* Peter T. Daniels:
>
>> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 4:48:18 AM UTC-5, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>> On 11/02/2022 9:37 am, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>>> On 2022-02-11 09:29:00 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
>>
>>>>> Question from a friend, about a sentence from a book, about an older
>>>>> woman, described as 'an unreedeemed hippy'.
>>>>> =====
>>>>> In her day, she had been very pretty, too – one of those flower children
>>>>> who had skipped bare-breasted at Woodstock.
>>>>> =====
>>>>> What does 'skipped' mean, in this context?
>>>> Leaping up and down, like a child playing.
>>>
>>> Well, "skipping" is a specific gait, common in but not limited to
>>> children, in which one bounces each step to take a second short step
>>> with the same foot before swapping feet. (Yes, I know it sounds
>>> ridiculous, but it works if you have momentum, and if there's one thing
>>> a typical five-year-old has in abundance, it's momentum.)
>>
>> RH has it right.
>
>It's what I thought, too, but isn't it unusual to appear so nakedly, no
>pun intended? I'd expect "skipped around", "skipped in the mud" or
>something like that.
>

It's imagery in description and, as such, need not be further
delineated. It's sufficient as written to present the intended image.

>It's different when the activity is one that's scheduled at the event:
>"She ran at the Tokyo Olympics", but if Woodstock held skipping
>competitions, that's news to me.
--

Tony Cooper Orlando Florida

[Pamela]

On 09:37 11 Feb 2022, Athel Cornish-Bowden said:

> On 2022-02-11 09:29:00 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
>
>> Question from a friend, about a sentence from a book, about an older
>> woman, described as 'an unreedeemed hippy'. ===== In her day, she
>> had been very pretty, too – one of those flower children who had
>> skipped bare-breasted at Woodstock. =====
>>
>> What does 'skipped' mean, in this context?
>
> Leaping up and down, like a child playing.

The way I tend to see it, skipping with a rope involves repeated
leaping up and down done rapidly.

Whereas without a rope, I see skipping is a few steps of hopping while
walking.

That's only a personal impression based on usage I've encountered.

[Sam Plusnet]

In the context of your original post I would describe it as:

"a light step, close to (but not quite) dancing"


--
Sam Plusnet

[Tony Cooper]

"Double Dutch" rope skipping is using two ropes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhhAkXF0aXM

[Jack]

On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 10:29:00 +0100, nos...@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
Lodder) wrote:

Skpping gait:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hoz2m7gvroo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfmOhx1VxcU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucvifij6ZHA



Skipped the light fandango:
https://ell.stackexchange.com/questions/33486/meaning-of-we-skipped-the-light-fandango#39017

--
Jack

[Rich Ulrich]

On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 11:44:16 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
<acor...@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:

>On 2022-02-11 09:48:12 +0000, Richard Heathfield said:
>
>> On 11/02/2022 9:37 am, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>> On 2022-02-11 09:29:00 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
>>>
>>>> Question from a friend, about a sentence from a book, about an older
>>>> woman, described as 'an unreedeemed hippy'.
>>>> =====
>>>> In her day, she had been very pretty, too – one of those flower children
>>>> who had skipped bare-breasted at Woodstock.
>>>> =====
>>>>
>>>> What does 'skipped' mean, in this context?
>>>
>>> Leaping up and down, like a child playing.
>>
>> Well, "skipping" is a specific gait, common in but not limited to
>> children, in which one bounces each step to take a second short step
>> with the same foot before swapping feet.
>
>OK, but I'm not sure that that's what the young women at Woodstock were
>doing. (No, I wasn't there.)

"iconic scene"

It has been a long time since I watched the DVD of
Woodstock, but IIRC, there is at least one shot of the
audience, not very crowded, people standing and dancing,
where one lovely, young, bare-breasted woman skips from
the right to the left of the screen in the course of three or
four seconds - twenty feet or so, neither closeup nor far.

Might happen more than once.

>
>> (Yes, I know it sounds ridiculous, but it works if you have momentum,
>> and if there's one thing a typical five-year-old has in abundance, it's
>> momentum.)

--

Rich Ulrich

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 3:00:06 PM UTC-5, Tony Cooper wrote:
> >On 11-Feb-22 12:41, J. J. Lodder wrote:

[stuff]

> "Double Dutch" rope skipping is using two ropes.

I guess the Dutchies invented it.

[Tony Cooper]

My guess would be that it stems from the expression "In Dutch" which
was used to mean "In trouble". Adding the second rope doubles the
trouble for the skipper.

Restoring the rudely deleted video that show what Double Dutch
skipping looks like:

[J. J. Lodder]

Jack <quia...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 10:29:00 +0100, nos...@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
> Lodder) wrote:
>
> >Question from a friend, about a sentence from a book, about an older
> >woman, described as 'an unreedeemed hippy'.
> >=====

> >In her day, she had been very pretty, too ˆ one of those flower children

> >who had skipped bare-breasted at Woodstock.
> >=====
> >
> >What does 'skipped' mean, in this context?
> >Is it just the ordinary meaning of passing over?
> >
> >And another one, from myself:
> >How to interpret 'We skipped the light fandango'
> >Is it the same?
> >
> >Jan
> >(not cartwheeling)
>
>
> Skpping gait:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hoz2m7gvroo
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfmOhx1VxcU
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucvifij6ZHA

Ah, very good, that's it, thanks.
It is called 'huppelen' in Dutch.
Fits perfectly with the example given.
Also 'rondhuppelen', skipping around.

Recent Dutch has 'huppelkut' 'huppelkutje', very denigrating,
(might translate it literally as skip-cunt, or skipping-cunt,
or perhaps more fancifully as skipple-cunt for quasi-Dutch effect)
for a dumb, silly, gullible, empty-headed, wide-eyed, frivolous women.
(no need to add more descriptions, I guess)

Of course using 'kut' for a woman
is already denigrating and insulting by itself,
just like using E. 'cunt' in that way.

An angry ex might use 'huppelkutje' for the much younger girls
that her ex is picking up, if he is that kind of an ex,

Jan

[J. J. Lodder]

Tony Cooper <tonyco...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 19:47:06 +0000, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:
>
> >On 11-Feb-22 12:41, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >> occam <nob...@nowhere.nix> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 11/02/2022 10:48, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> >>>> On 11/02/2022 9:37 am, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> >>>>> On 2022-02-11 09:29:00 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Question from a friend, about a sentence from a book, about an older
> >>>>>> woman, described as 'an unreedeemed hippy'.
> >>>>>> =====

> >>>>>> In her day, she had been very pretty, too ˆ one of those flower

> >>>>>> children who had skipped bare-breasted at Woodstock.
> >>>>>> =====
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> What does 'skipped' mean, in this context?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Leaping up and down, like a child playing.
> >>>>
> >>>> Well, "skipping" is a specific gait, common in but not limited to
> >>>> children, in which one bounces each step to take a second short step
> >>>> with the same foot before swapping feet. (Yes, I know it sounds
> >>>> ridiculous, but it works if you have momentum, and if there's one thing
> >>>> a typical five-year-old has in abundance, it's momentum.)
> >>
> >> OK, so that's it, thanks.
> >>
> >>> That's 'skip' as in "...hop, skip and jump". However you can also
> >>> "skip rope" (as boxers do in training).
> >>
> >> Ah yes, that rings a bell.
> >> There is 'double bounce' or 'slow' rope skipping.
> >> (two jumps for one passage of the rope, the second possibly smaller)
> >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao_vP1nYqPo>
> >>
> >> There is also the opposite, passing the rope twice for one jump,
> >> but I don't know what that is called.
> >> It is a vigorous excercise, beyond me.
> >>
> >> There are rope jump songs for that,
> >> also for one in four jumps being double,
>
> "Double Dutch" rope skipping is using two ropes.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhhAkXF0aXM

Yes, believed to have been brought by Dutch immigrants,
perhaps already in New Amsterdam.
Here are some 17th century Delft Blue tiles.
<https://www.spijkertegels.nl/kinderspel/touwtje-springen>

Making it a competitive sport is a recent American invention,

Jan

[J. J. Lodder]

Peter T. Daniels <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:

As a childrens game, but Americans made a sport out of it.

Jan

[J. J. Lodder]

Tony Cooper <tonyco...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 13:25:37 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"
> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 3:00:06 PM UTC-5, Tony Cooper wrote:
> >> >On 11-Feb-22 12:41, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >
> >[stuff]
> >> "Double Dutch" rope skipping is using two ropes.
> >
> >I guess the Dutchies invented it.
>
> My guess would be that it stems from the expression "In Dutch" which
> was used to mean "In trouble". Adding the second rope doubles the
> trouble for the skipper.

Perhaps, but it is much older in the Netherlands.
Usually played in the running form,
with children going through the ropes,
running in from one side and out on the other side.
There are traditional songs that go with it,

Jan

[Tony Cooper]

On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 22:39:03 +0100, nos...@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
Lodder) wrote:

>Tony Cooper <tonyco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 19:47:06 +0000, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On 11-Feb-22 12:41, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>> >> occam <nob...@nowhere.nix> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On 11/02/2022 10:48, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>> >>>> On 11/02/2022 9:37 am, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>> >>>>> On 2022-02-11 09:29:00 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Question from a friend, about a sentence from a book, about an older
>> >>>>>> woman, described as 'an unreedeemed hippy'.
>> >>>>>> =====

>> >>>>>> In her day, she had been very pretty, too à one of those flower

>> >>>>>> children who had skipped bare-breasted at Woodstock.
>> >>>>>> =====
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> What does 'skipped' mean, in this context?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Leaping up and down, like a child playing.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Well, "skipping" is a specific gait, common in but not limited to
>> >>>> children, in which one bounces each step to take a second short step
>> >>>> with the same foot before swapping feet. (Yes, I know it sounds
>> >>>> ridiculous, but it works if you have momentum, and if there's one thing
>> >>>> a typical five-year-old has in abundance, it's momentum.)
>> >>
>> >> OK, so that's it, thanks.
>> >>
>> >>> That's 'skip' as in "...hop, skip and jump". However you can also
>> >>> "skip rope" (as boxers do in training).
>> >>
>> >> Ah yes, that rings a bell.
>> >> There is 'double bounce' or 'slow' rope skipping.
>> >> (two jumps for one passage of the rope, the second possibly smaller)
>> >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao_vP1nYqPo>
>> >>
>> >> There is also the opposite, passing the rope twice for one jump,
>> >> but I don't know what that is called.
>> >> It is a vigorous excercise, beyond me.
>> >>
>> >> There are rope jump songs for that,
>> >> also for one in four jumps being double,
>>
>> "Double Dutch" rope skipping is using two ropes.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhhAkXF0aXM
>
>Yes, believed to have been brought by Dutch immigrants,

An "immigrant" is a person who relocates to a county in order to live
a better life, yes?

>perhaps already in New Amsterdam.
>Here are some 17th century Delft Blue tiles.
><https://www.spijkertegels.nl/kinderspel/touwtje-springen>
>
>Making it a competitive sport is a recent American invention,

[Quinn C]

* Tony Cooper:

I think what feels strange to me is that the sentence would apply if she
had skipped at Woodstock exactly once - compare "she sang at Woodstock",
which could be one song.

An expression that makes it clear it was a repeated action would be much
clearer, more lively imagery to me.

--
I'm a character actor - which they call actors who are not gorgeous,
or young.
-- Saul Rubinek

[Sam Plusnet]

On 11-Feb-22 20:04, Jack wrote:

> Skipped the light fandango:


"Could I interest you in a light fandango?"

"I'm too tired. Let's skip it."

--
Sam Plusnet

[Tony Cooper]

On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 18:53:13 -0500, Quinn C

The author has used "very pretty", "bare-breasted", flower children",
"skipped", and "Woodstock", and you want him to expand on "skipped" to
complete the imagery?

The image isn't of her movement; it's of her general presence.

How about: "You're a low-down, dirty, thieving louse that would steal
the coins from your dead grandpappy's eyes."

You want "dirty" made more clear by explicating if it was his
clothing, boots, or body that was soiled?

[J. J. Lodder]

Tony Cooper <tonyco...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 22:39:03 +0100, nos...@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
> Lodder) wrote:
>
> >Tony Cooper <tonyco...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 19:47:06 +0000, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On 11-Feb-22 12:41, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >> >> occam <nob...@nowhere.nix> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> On 11/02/2022 10:48, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> >> >>>> On 11/02/2022 9:37 am, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> >> >>>>> On 2022-02-11 09:29:00 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Question from a friend, about a sentence from a book, about an older
> >> >>>>>> woman, described as 'an unreedeemed hippy'.
> >> >>>>>> =====

> >> >>>>>> In her day, she had been very pretty, too √ one of those flower

That is a definition.
For the rope skipping:
it may have been brought by Dutch settlers, in New Amsterdam,
or it may have been brought by Dutch immigrants to the USA,
like the 19th century wave that ended up around Holland, Michigan.

Jan

[bruce bowser]

On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 4:29:07 AM UTC-5, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Question from a friend, about a sentence from a book, about an older
> woman, described as 'an unreedeemed hippy'.
> =====
> In her day, she had been very pretty, too – one of those flower children
> who had skipped bare-breasted at Woodstock.
> =====
>
> What does 'skipped' mean, in this context?

> Is it just the ordinary meaning of passing over?
>
> And another one, from myself:
> How to interpret 'We skipped the light fandango'
> Is it the same?

Skipped can also mean to avoid. Like avoiding school.

[Kerr-Mudd, John]

On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 22:56:28 +0100

nos...@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) wrote:

And there was I thinking Malcolm McLaren invented it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ4jMSCBswY


--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

[Kerr-Mudd, John]

On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 00:40:32 +0000
Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:

> On 11-Feb-22 20:04, Jack wrote:
>
> > Skipped the light fandango:
>
>
> "Could I interest you in a light fandango?"

No thank you, I've just put one out.

>
> "I'm too tired. Let's skip it."
>

Isn't that the gait of a kangaroo?
(What's that? 2 children stuck down the mine?)

[Peter T. Daniels]

Then that's not "double dutch" rope-jumping.

[Transition Zone]

Women at Woodstock skipping bare breasted. Vrouwen op de Woodstock springen met blote borst? Springen is skipping? Today in Amsterdam, women do the same thing, except its online. (Tegenwoordig doen vrouwen in Amsterdam hetzelfde, behalve online).

[Bill Day]

On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 15:06:14 -0500, Rich Ulrich
<rich....@comcast.net> wrote:

>On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 11:44:16 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
><acor...@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:
>
>>On 2022-02-11 09:48:12 +0000, Richard Heathfield said:
>>
>>> On 11/02/2022 9:37 am, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>>> On 2022-02-11 09:29:00 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
>>>>
>It has been a long time since I watched the DVD of
>Woodstock, but IIRC, there is at least one shot of the
>audience, not very crowded, people standing and dancing,
>where one lovely, young, bare-breasted woman skips from
>the right to the left of the screen in the course of three or
>four seconds - twenty feet or so, neither closeup nor far.
>

Several weeks ago some late-night movie channel ran something called
"Woodstock-Director's Cut" in which there was not only nude bathing
with men and women in waist deep water, but also one scene of a young
woman totally nude who seemed to be heading to a car in a parking area
stopping to catch a Frisbee and throw it back at someone. It was 4-5
seconds of total frontal nudity. I'm guessing that there was much
nudity that was never photographed, and probably some that was just
not published. Thousands of young people in that setting.. with some
drugs and alcohol..... of course there was much going on away from the
stage.

[Quinn C]

Yup. Pretty and bare-breasted may be quite enough for you, but I'm a
demanding girl.

--
Quinn C
My pronouns are they/them
(or other gender-neutral ones)

[Tony Cooper]

On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 16:10:31 -0500, Quinn C

The author avoided a flap by not expanding the skipping description if
the girl was full-breasted and not just bare-breasted.

[Sam Plusnet]

I know you were just poking fun, but you omitted "Woodstock" and "Flower
children" - which are the most evocative elements of the description.


--
Sam Plusnet

[bil...@shaw.ca]

On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 1:58:15 AM UTC-8, Richard Heathfield wrote:

> Probably not much skipping rope at Woodstock.
>
> Maybe some, I'll grant you.
>
> But bare-breasted? Sounds unlikely. And uncomfortable.

Might it be that you not only were not at Woodstock, but you also don't know
anything about it? It was the first very large outdoor music festival held in
the U.S., attended by several hundred thousand mostly-young people, some
of whom could be accurately described as hippies, dope-smokers and free-love
advocates. In the summer of 1969, it was one of the more likely places
in the U.S. to spot a bare-breasted young woman. There were even a few
in the documentary about the festival, as I recall. As a male person in his early
20s in 1969, I would notice that sort of thing, and it was more common
then than it was several years earlier or several years later.

bill

[bil...@shaw.ca]

On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 4:42:00 AM UTC-8, J. J. Lodder wrote:

> Athel Cornish-Bowden <acor...@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:
>
> > On 2022-02-11 09:29:00 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
> >
> > > Question from a friend, about a sentence from a book, about an older
> > > woman, described as 'an unreedeemed hippy'.
> > > =====
> > > In her day, she had been very pretty, too – one of those flower children
> > > who had skipped bare-breasted at Woodstock.
> > > =====
> > >
> > > What does 'skipped' mean, in this context?
> >
> > Leaping up and down, like a child playing.

> So she was a happy hippy.
> Perhaps jumping to the beat,
> three small hops and one big one, for 4/4,
> or alternating small and big,
>
A friendly correction: hippie is spelled with an ie, not a y.
Hippy is what you might call a person with wide hips.
It's a surprisingly common spelling error.

bill

[Richard Heathfield]

On 13/02/2022 12:00 am, bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 1:58:15 AM UTC-8, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>
>> Probably not much skipping rope at Woodstock.
>>
>> Maybe some, I'll grant you.
>>
>> But bare-breasted? Sounds unlikely. And uncomfortable.
>
> Might it be that you not only were not at Woodstock, but you also don't know
> anything about it?

Might it be that you interpreted my reply incorrectly? I think you did.
And you bein' so wise n' clever, too. Before you reply, find a skipping
rope. Grow two breasts. Remove your bra. Now skip with the rope for a
few minutes with your breasts waving in the wind and bouncing up and
down and report back on how comfortable an experience it was, and
whether it's an experience you'd choose to repeat.

And when you've done that, consider taking up a course on reading for
comprehension.

Did I say "sheesh" yet? No?

SHEESH!

--
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

[Richard Heathfield]

Have you told Wiktionary yet?

Etymology 1
Noun

hippy (plural hippies)

Alternative spelling of hippie

[bil...@shaw.ca]

"hip and "hep" originated in the early part of the 20th century
and eventually -- 1940s, probably -- gave rise to "hippie" which
some people later spelled "hippy". It was part of the spoken
language, and people who wrote the word down had to decide how to
spell it. My sense is that "hippie" was the usual form, and that
Wiktionary is probably right to identify "hippy" as the variation.

bill

[Madhu]

* Transition Zone <211dd772-59dc-4777-9baf-cacc6541becdn @googlegroups.com> :
Wrote on Sat, 12 Feb 2022 07:55:46 -0800 (PST):

> Women at Woodstock skipping bare breasted. Vrouwen op de Woodstock
> springen met blote borst? Springen is skipping? Today in Amsterdam,
> women do the same thing, except its online. (Tegenwoordig doen vrouwen
> in Amsterdam hetzelfde, behalve online).

That outs you as a bowser sock.

There used to be a show I think with I think Adam Carolla which would
end (or begin) with girls bouncing on trampolines. I just mention this
because I thought I spotted some comment on comfort

[occam]

You mean a bit like rope twirling by 8 year-old girls ('rhythmic
gymnastics') that was introduced to the Olympics?

Perhaps there still hope for double Dutch rope skipping.

[Lewis]

In message <2a5defe4-8d10-4fa8...@googlegroups.com> bil...@shaw.ca <bil...@shaw.ca> wrote:

> A friendly correction: hippie is spelled with an ie, not a y.
> Hippy is what you might call a person with wide hips.
> It's a surprisingly common spelling error.

It is not an error.

ODE

hippy1 | ˈhɪpi | (also hippie)
noun (plural hippies)
(especially in the 1960s) a person of unconventional appearance,
typically having long hair, associated with a subculture involving a
rejection of conventional values and the taking of hallucinogenic
drugs: hippies and spiritual seekers made their way to India in the
sixties in search of enlightenment | she joined a band of hippies in
the West Country and helped to set up the Glastonbury festival.

In addition, while I agree that 'hippie' is more common on its own,
hippy-dippy seems to always be 'y'.

--
AUDITORS OF REALITY. THEY THINK OF LIFE AS A STAIN ON THE UNIVERSE. A
PESTILENCE. MESSY. GETTING IN THE WAY. 'In the way of what?' THE
EFFICIENT RUNNING OF THE UNIVERSE.

[J. J. Lodder]

Perhaps, but I quoted from the original.
I don't think it is right to correct an author's spelling
while quoting him.

BTW, he is British. Perhaps a pondian thing?

Jan

[Janet]

In article <2a5defe4-8d10-4fa8...@googlegroups.com>,
bil...@shaw.ca says...

>
> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 4:42:00 AM UTC-8, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Athel Cornish-Bowden <acor...@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:
> >
> > > On 2022-02-11 09:29:00 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
> > >
> > > > Question from a friend, about a sentence from a book, about an older
> > > > woman, described as 'an unreedeemed hippy'.
> > > > =====

> > > > In her day, she had been very pretty, too ? one of those flower children

> > > > who had skipped bare-breasted at Woodstock.
> > > > =====
> > > >
> > > > What does 'skipped' mean, in this context?
> > >
> > > Leaping up and down, like a child playing.
> > So she was a happy hippy.
> > Perhaps jumping to the beat,
> > three small hops and one big one, for 4/4,
> > or alternating small and big,
> >
> A friendly correction: hippie is spelled with an ie, not a y.
> Hippy is what you might call a person with wide hips.
> It's a surprisingly common spelling error.

In Br E, the correct spelling is hippy (singular 1960's flower child)
not hippie.

YMMV

Janet

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 7:19:29 PM UTC-5, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 13/02/2022 12:00 am, bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
> > On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 1:58:15 AM UTC-8, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> >
> >> Probably not much skipping rope at Woodstock.
> >>
> >> Maybe some, I'll grant you.
> >>
> >> But bare-breasted? Sounds unlikely. And uncomfortable.
> >
> > Might it be that you not only were not at Woodstock, but you also don't know
> > anything about it?
> Might it be that you interpreted my reply incorrectly? I think you did.
> And you bein' so wise n' clever, too. Before you reply, find a skipping
> rope. Grow two breasts. Remove your bra. Now skip with the rope for a
> few minutes with your breasts waving in the wind and bouncing up and
> down and report back on how comfortable an experience it was, and
> whether it's an experience you'd choose to repeat.
>
> And when you've done that, consider taking up a course on reading for
> comprehension.
>
> Did I say "sheesh" yet? No?
>
> SHEESH!

Wow. Let's hope RH never finds out about nude volleyball.

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 7:21:24 PM UTC-5, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 13/02/2022 12:03 am, bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
> > On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 4:42:00 AM UTC-8, J. J. Lodder wrote:

> >> So she was a happy hippy.

> > A friendly correction: hippie is spelled with an ie, not a y.
> > Hippy is what you might call a person with wide hips.
> > It's a surprisingly common spelling error.
>
> Have you told Wiktionary yet?
>
> Etymology 1
> Noun
>
> hippy (plural hippies)
>
> Alternative spelling of hippie

Yet again, dictionaries (even that one) do not PREscribe, they DEscribe.

All that means is that "hippie" gets misspelled in print.

[Mark Brader]

William Boei:

>> A friendly correction: hippie is spelled with an ie, not a y.

>> ...It's a surprisingly common spelling error.

"Janet":

> In Br E, the correct spelling is hippy (singular 1960's flower child)
> not hippie.

Cross-thread alert!
--
Mark Brader | "Do UNIX users ever think about the fact that most of
Toronto | their financial dealings are processed in languages that
m...@vex.net | they wouldn't be caught dead in?" -- Carol Osterbrock

[lar3ryca]

On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 6:19:29 PM UTC-6, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 13/02/2022 12:00 am, bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
> > On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 1:58:15 AM UTC-8, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> >
> >> Probably not much skipping rope at Woodstock.
> >>
> >> Maybe some, I'll grant you.
> >>
> >> But bare-breasted? Sounds unlikely. And uncomfortable.
> >
> > Might it be that you not only were not at Woodstock, but you also don't know
> > anything about it?
> Might it be that you interpreted my reply incorrectly? I think you did.
> And you bein' so wise n' clever, too. Before you reply, find a skipping
> rope. Grow two breasts. Remove your bra. Now skip with the rope for a
> few minutes with your breasts waving in the wind and bouncing up and
> down and report back on how comfortable an experience it was, and
> whether it's an experience you'd choose to repeat.

I think it depends entirely on the breasts in question; small, medium,
large, density, perky, droopy, whatever.

[bruce bowser]

Its helps when Madhu can't explain in English.

[Quinn C]

* Janet:

Collins, Cambridge and Oxford's mileage varies from yours; they all put
"hippy" in the "also" category.

--
If someone has a penis (or we think they have a penis) we use
he/him/his pronouns and treat them like a boy/man. If someone
has a vagina (or we think they have a vagina) we use she/her/
hers pronouns and treat them like a girl/woman.
See what I did there? -- Kyl Myers

[occam]

He is spot on when it comes to spotting clones, though.

[Steve Hayes]

On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 09:58:09 +0000, Richard Heathfield wrote:

> Probably not much skipping rope at Woodstock.
>
> Maybe some, I'll grant you.

And then there's French skipping, which I've heard Americans call
"Japanese jumprope".


--
Steve Hayes http://khanya.wordpress.com

[J. J. Lodder]

J. J. Lodder <nos...@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:

> Question from a friend, about a sentence from a book, about an older
> woman, described as 'an unreedeemed hippy'.
> =====

> In her day, she had been very pretty, too – one of those flower children

> who had skipped bare-breasted at Woodstock.
> =====

[continued, with thanks for the explanations]
Verdict from my friend who reads detective and mystery things:
not recommended.
The 'unredeemed hippy' is Sissy Sawyer,
from a series of books by Graham Masterton. [1]
Reason: She doesn't like psychic elements like card reading
to be an inherent part of the storyline.

Jan

[1] Best known as a prolific author of horror and sex education books,
but he is trying to diversify his output into other fields.