What kind of rhyme is 'orange door hinge?'
aruzinsky
rhyme" but what kind of general rhyme?
John O'Flaherty
A blend of half-rhyme and assonance rhyme. Do I have to spell it out?
--
John
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
<aruz...@general-cathexis.com> wrote:
It depends on how "orange" and "hinge" are pronounced.
In BrE many people pronounce "orange" as "oringe".
That makes it a perfect rhyme with "hinge".
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Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
Arcadian Rises
wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 14:43:52 -0800 (PST), aruzinsky
>
> >Fromhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhyme, I am going to guess "general
> >rhyme" but what kind of general rhyme?
>
> It depends on how "orange" and "hinge" are pronounced.
>
> In BrE many people pronounce "orange" as "oringe".
>
> That makes it a perfect rhyme with "hinge".
>
> --
> Peter Duncanson, UK
> (in alt.usage.english)
What's so perfect about it? Is the stress in "orange" on the last
syllable?
aruzinsky
On Dec 3, 4:57 pm, John O'Flaherty <quias...@yeeha.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 14:43:52 -0800 (PST), aruzinsky
>
> <aruzin...@general-cathexis.com> wrote:
> >Fromhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhyme, I am going to guess "general
James Hogg
Do you stress "door hinge" on the last syllable?
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James
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
Yes, it can be. The "o" is short as in "on" or "off".
abzorba
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I suppose it could be added, for the benefit of those who have not
heard of it yet, that "orange" is widely regarded as the only common
word which does not have another to rhyme with it.
Myles (Orange you glad I posted that in?) Paulsen
R H Draney
>
>I suppose it could be added, for the benefit of those who have not
>heard of it yet, that "orange" is widely regarded as the only common
>word which does not have another to rhyme with it.
Silver, purple, month, ninth, pint, wolf, opus, dangerous, marathon,
discombobulate....r
--
Me? Sarcastic?
Yeah, right.
annily
--
Long-time resident of Adelaide, South Australia,
which probably influences my opinions.
R H Draney
>
>On 2010-12-04 16:25, R H Draney wrote:
>> abzorba filted:
>>>
>>> I suppose it could be added, for the benefit of those who have not
>>> heard of it yet, that "orange" is widely regarded as the only common
>>> word which does not have another to rhyme with it.
>>
>> Silver, purple, month, ninth, pint, wolf, opus, dangerous, marathon,
>> discombobulate....r
>>
>>
>I loved that country song that rhymed "purple" with "maple surple" :)
Don't even have to look it up; that's "Dang Me" by the brilliant Roger
Miller....r
annily
Ah yes, I should have remembered that too :)
Nick
> I suppose it could be added, for the benefit of those who have not
> heard of it yet, that "orange" is widely regarded as the only common
> word which does not have another to rhyme with it.
You can see the Blorenge from the hills round here.
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Peter Moylan
>
> I suppose it could be added, for the benefit of those who have not
> heard of it yet, that "orange" is widely regarded as the only common
> word which does not have another to rhyme with it.
Oranges, poranges, there ain't no rhyme for oranges,
So stick that in your porringers
and screw it to your door hinges
There ain't no rhyme for oranges.
--
Peter Moylan, Newcastle, NSW, Australia. http://www.pmoylan.org
For an e-mail address, see my web page.
Peter Moylan
Get up, get out, prepare the car
There's not a minute to lose.
I've seen them charging from afar
A thousand dangerous.
Jerry Friedman
> abzorba filted:
> >I suppose it could be added, for the benefit of those who have not
> >heard of it yet, that "orange" is widely regarded as the only common
> >word which does not have another to rhyme with it.
>
> Silver, purple, month, ninth, pint, wolf, opus, dangerous, marathon,
Truth-loving Persians do not dwell upon
The trivial skirmish fought near Marathon....
Robert Graves, "The Persian Version"
http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/the-persian-version/
> discombobulate....r
But see Chapter 26 of /The Sot-Weed Factor/, by John Barth.
--
Jerry Friedman
Athel Cornish-Bowden
<ma...@peterduncanson.net> said:
> On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 14:43:52 -0800 (PST), aruzinsky
> <aruz...@general-cathexis.com> wrote:
>
>> From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhyme, I am going to guess "general
>> rhyme" but what kind of general rhyme?
>
> It depends on how "orange" and "hinge" are pronounced.
>
> In BrE many people pronounce "orange" as "oringe".
Just about everyone, in my experience. I can only remember one person
in my lifetime who had a clear schwa for the second vowel.
>
> That makes it a perfect rhyme with "hinge".
--
athel
alan
"Athel Cornish-Bowden" <acor...@ifr88.cnrs-mrs.fr> wrote in message
news:8lvedn...@mid.individual.net...
Second vowel? In my experience around here (USA, SF Bay Area), most folks
pronounce it as if it were one syllable --- ornj.
Mike Barnes
I believe I say "ORinj" but "ORuhnj JOOSE".
--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England
Athel Cornish-Bowden
Yes, but Peter's comment was about how it's pronounced in BrE, and my
reply was related to that.
Pronouncing it as one syllable is more difficult if you're non-rhotic
(though no impossible: we can say "haunch", so why not "aunge"). I
believe r is regarded as a vowel in Croat (in place names like Krk, not
to mention Hrvatska itself), and it's pretty vowel-like in rhotic AmE.
--
athel
aruzinsky
R H Draney
>>
>> Don't even have to look it up; that's "Dang Me" by the brilliant Roger
>> Miller....r
>
Better still was "My Uncle Used To Love Me But She Died"....r
abzorba
DING!!! DING!!! DIING!!!
You've both passed another of abzorba's "little tests", and both of
you will have tickets to the inaugural ball for "Abzorbas Abzorbing
Fanzine". Well done, fellow froupers!
Of course, there are DOZENS of common words with no rhymes! And notice
I said: "is widely regarded". HAH! What do the hoi polloi concerning
these sublme matters of literature?
Myles (can be testing, very testing) Paulsen
rwalker
>> On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 14:43:52 -0800 (PST), aruzinsky
>> <aruz...@general-cathexis.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhyme, I am going to guess "general
>>> rhyme" but what kind of general rhyme?
>>
>> It depends on how "orange" and "hinge" are pronounced.
>>
>> In BrE many people pronounce "orange" as "oringe".
In my own dialect of AmE, I'd say that "orange" and "hinge" nearly
rhyme. But then, I speak a mixture of eastern West Virginian,
Arkansan, Ohioan, and upstate New York-ese.
abzorba
> On Dec 3, 10:55 pm, R H Draney <dadoc...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>
> > abzorba filted:
> > >I suppose it could be added, for the benefit of those who have not
> > >heard of it yet, that "orange" is widely regarded as the only common
> > >word which does not have another to rhyme with it.
>
> > Silver, purple, month, ninth, pint, wolf, opus, dangerous, marathon,
>
> Truth-loving Persians do not dwell upon
> The trivial skirmish fought near Marathon....
>
I don't use a rhyming dictionary, for I found the endeavour to convert
my posts into rhyming couplets took longer than I could allow.
Recently, on a whim, I wanted a rhyme for "vernacular", and, looking
up this rhyming dictionary:
http://www.rhymezone.com/?loc=top
was offered but one word: "spectacular", with a link to another
page which had many more, including the entirely plausible
"binocular". I gather "binocular" was not included in the primary list
because it is more often found as "binoculars", although "binocular"
is a perfectly sound and readily understood term.
My point is that such on-line dictionaries are very rigid and
unimaginative, as they cannot COMBINE words together to create a rhyme
as Graves does here with Marathon and "dwell upon". Bob Dylan is
famous for, among other things, yoking the most unpromising words to
form successful rhymes. In his "Hurricane":
"We want to put his ass in stir
We want to pin this triple murder on him
He ain't no Gentlemen Jim"
he rhymes "murder" with "ass in stir", and you won't find THAT in no
rhyming dictionary.
>
> > discombobulate....r
>
The airports have invented a "recombobulate chamber". It's on Youtube
somewhere, so it's "GOTTA be true" (Frank Zappa reprise, although he
was pointing at the Rolling Stone mag.).
> But see Chapter 26 of /The Sot-Weed Factor/, by John Barth.
>
Wot? Right now? I'm flat out at the moment, and my wombat has eaten
my last copy.
Myles (I have Myles to go before I sleep) Paulsen
abzorba
wrote:
>
> Just about everyone, in my experience. I can only remember one person
> in my lifetime who had a clear schwa for the second vowel.
>
abzorba
>
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Very engaging, but I'm sure the author of this thread would prefer it
if you kept ON TOPIC.
Myles (bashing his new hat so it can be an old one) Paulsen
R H Draney
>
>On Dec 5, 10:46=A0am, aruzinsky <aruzin...@general-cathexis.com> wrote:
>> "Do wacka do" for "do like I do" was more brilliant by Roger Miller.
>
>if you kept ON TOPIC.
But how can you know if a fish is happy?...
Chuang Tzu aside, the OT post you're complaining about was itself made by the
"author of this thread"....r
abzorba
Oh...Really?
You should have left off while you were ahead with your happy fish....
Myles (has Myles to go afore he can bed) Paulsen
R H Draney
>:
>> >> "Do wacka do" for "do like I do" was more brilliant by Roger Miller.
>>
>> >Very engaging, but I'm sure the author of this thread would prefer it
>> >if you kept ON TOPIC.
>>
>> But how can you know if a fish is happy?...
>>
> the
>> "author of this thread"....r
>
>
>You should have left off while you were ahead with your happy fish....
Okay, the claim has been made that "abzorba" and "aruzinsky" are not the same
person, and while no proof has been given, I'm willing to accept that for the
sake of argument....
But now you're claiming that "aruzinsky" and "aruzinsky" are two different
people...again, no proof has been given one way or the other, but that assertion
seems considerably less likely....r
abzorba
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Please, someone else explain this to him....
Myles (bored now...) Paulsen
Peter Moylan
> Recently, on a whim, I wanted a rhyme for "vernacular", and, looking
> up this rhyming dictionary:
> http://www.rhymezone.com/?loc=top
> was offered but one word: "spectacular", with a link to another
> page which had many more, including the entirely plausible
> "binocular". I gather "binocular" was not included in the primary list
> because it is more often found as "binoculars", although "binocular"
> is a perfectly sound and readily understood term.
The stressed syllable of "binocular" does not rhyme with the stressed
syllable of "vernacular". That's disqualification enough.
Near rhymes are sometimes acceptable, it's true, but if a rhyming
dictionary tried to include near rhymes the good rhymes would be hidden
in the rubbish.
aruzinsky
are adequately answered, as was the case in John O'Flaherty's first
post in this thread, does the OP welcome tangential conversation.
> Myles (bashing his new hat so it can be an old one) Paulsen- Hide quoted text -
abzorba
wrote:
I don't get it. When I pronounce the two words, they mesh precisely.
verNACular, biNOCular, cf. specTACular. All the same.
I was taught that exact rhymes were masculine, and that close rhymes
were feminine, although those terms seem to have different meanings
now. Feminine rhymes were once regarded as inferior to masculine
rhymes. But the constant use of masculine rhymes can give verse the
sound of chanted doggerel. The softer feminine rhymes speak to the
mind, which notices BOTH the similarities AND the differences between
the rhymed words, enhancing the poetic effect. Feminine nouns now are
not just "acceptable", they are full equals.
Another point for feminine rhymes lies in the fact that English is not
a very good rhyming language. Italian (and then French) is probably
the foremost, with so many words ending in o or a, but English is much
less musical. I wonder which language provides the most rhymes, and
which the most?
Myles (...and Myles to go when I get up) Paulsen
abzorba
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Oh please don't say "You're projecting"! That implies that I AM you.
I notice you haven't denied it. Look, you've had your 15 minutes,
'fess up and tell them we are not sock puppets.
Myles (I am my own sock puppet) Paulsen
R H Draney
>
>Another point for feminine rhymes lies in the fact that English is not
>a very good rhyming language. Italian (and then French) is probably
>the foremost, with so many words ending in o or a, but English is much
>less musical. I wonder which language provides the most rhymes, and
>which the most?
Something syllabic, I should think...Japanese would be excellent, Sanskrit even
better....
Then again, the fewer sounds a language has, the greater the chance that two
words chosen at random will rhyme...so maybe Hawai'ian?...r
Jerry Friedman
This page mentions Aymara, Haida, and Cherokee as having only three
vowels.
Apparently some languages have only two.
But I'd think your suggestion of Japanese may be the winner. As I
understand, there would be only 20 classes of rhyming words, or 10 if
long vowels are considered to rhyme with short vowels. Sanskrit would
have more, because there are more consonants a word can end in, as
well as more vowels.
--
Jerry Friedman
aruzinsky
> Myles (I am my own sock puppet) Paulsen- Hide quoted text -
abzorba
> You are projecting. I am not a sock puppet.
> > Oh please don't say "You're projecting"! That implies that I AM you.
> > I notice you haven't denied it. Look, you've had your 15 minutes,
> > 'fess up and tell them we are not sock puppets.
>
> > Myles (I am my own sock puppet) Paulsen-
Well, of course, I would say that...
It's only a matter of time, before someone notes that we have never
been seen together in the same place.
Myles (Is this projection correct? - great Simpsons' line) Paulsen
abzorba
Back live. I remember talking to a lady once who got an apricot
colonel stuck in her throat at just the wrong time.
She went "apri schwa..schwa...schwa..cot", and yes, she swallowed it.
Myles (Others waiting in line) Paulsen
R H Draney
>
>Back live. I remember talking to a lady once who got an apricot
>colonel stuck in her throat at just the wrong time.
That must've been really rank....r
tony cooper
>abzorba filted:
>>
>>Back live. I remember talking to a lady once who got an apricot
>>colonel stuck in her throat at just the wrong time.
>
>That must've been really rank....r
Are you giving him the bird?
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida