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Marius Hancu

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Apr 17, 2011, 8:03:20 AM4/17/11
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Hello:

"To simper" vs. "to smirk"
When would you use which?

The definitions I've found don't help me very much, and this is the
best synonym separation sources I know:
http://tinyurl.com/3vl8ffl

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Thanks,
Marius Hancu

Mark Brader

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Apr 17, 2011, 8:19:10 AM4/17/11
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Marius Hancu:

> "To simper" vs. "to smirk"
> When would you use which?

To me, "smirk" implies an expression that indicates an attitude of
gloating at one's own perceived success or superiority in comparison
to the person being smirked at. Anyone who smirks a lot is not a
nice person.

"Simper" is not a word I use myself. The first online dictionary
I checked describes it in part as a coquettish smile, and that
agrees with my understanding. It may still be a self-interested
sort of smile, but it's not as much so as a smirk.
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Stephen

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Apr 17, 2011, 8:26:26 AM4/17/11
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To me, "simper", a word I don't hear much these days, has not much of a
smile in it and more a connotation of childishness, while "smirk" has
connotations of smiling with smugness or a nasty (distasteful) kind of
cruel or salacious humour.


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Stephen
Ballina, NSW

Horace LaBadie

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Apr 17, 2011, 9:00:02 AM4/17/11
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In article
<b8570ea7-ebc8-4d2e...@t16g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
Marius Hancu <marius...@gmail.com> wrote:

There is an implication of falsity and pouting to a simper. Smirk is an
offensively self-satisfied, smug or condescending smile. Simper is more
often applied to females than males.

bert

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Apr 17, 2011, 9:06:37 AM4/17/11
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On Sunday, April 17, 2011 1:03:20 PM UTC+1, Marius Hancu wrote:
> Hello:
>
> "To simper" vs. "to smirk"
> When would you use which?

A simperer, although acting falsely,
is trying to please somebody else.

A smirker is pleased with himself, and
expects this to displease somebody else.
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Marius Hancu

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Apr 17, 2011, 9:17:40 AM4/17/11
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On Apr 17, 9:06 am, bert <bert.hutchi...@btinternet.com> wrote:

> > "To simper" vs. "to smirk"
> > When would you use which?
>
> A simperer, although acting falsely,
> is trying to please somebody else.
>
> A smirker is pleased with himself, and
> expects this to displease somebody else.

This resonates strongest with me.

Thank you all.
Marius Hancu

Peter Duncanson (BrE)

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Apr 17, 2011, 9:26:10 AM4/17/11
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I agree.

OED is of limited help. The usages of the words have changed with time.
The definition of simper includes smirk, and the definition of smirk
includes simper.

smirk, v.

1.a. intr. To smile; in later use, to smile in an affected,
self-satisfied, or silly manner; to simper.

simper, v.2

1.a. intr. To smile in a silly, self-conscious, or affected manner;
to smirk.


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Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)

musika

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Apr 17, 2011, 9:44:43 AM4/17/11
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In news:ucqlq6d6i86jfrt0f...@4ax.com,
Peter Duncanson (BrE) <ma...@peterduncanson.net> typed:

Was it Cuthbert Cringeworthy who used to simper?

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Ray
UK

tony cooper

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Apr 17, 2011, 9:53:41 AM4/17/11
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I agree with this distinction although I see "smirk" as a facial
expression and "simper" as more than just a facial expression.

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Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

Marius Hancu

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Apr 17, 2011, 9:55:49 AM4/17/11
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On Apr 17, 9:53 am, tony cooper <tony_cooper...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 06:06:37 -0700 (PDT), bert
>
> <bert.hutchi...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >On Sunday, April 17, 2011 1:03:20 PM UTC+1, Marius Hancu wrote:
> >> Hello:
>
> >> "To simper" vs. "to smirk"
> >> When would you use which?
>
> >A simperer, although acting falsely,
> >is trying to please somebody else.
>
> >A smirker is pleased with himself, and
> >expects this to displease somebody else.
>
> I agree with this distinction although I see "smirk" as a facial
> expression and "simper" as more than just a facial expression.

Such as?

Thanks.
Marius Hancu

Ian Jackson

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Apr 17, 2011, 10:21:29 AM4/17/11
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In message
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Marius Hancu <marius...@gmail.com> writes
"I'm wild again, beguiled again
A whimpering, simpering child again
Bewitched, bothered and bewildered - am I."
<http://lyricsplayground.com/alpha/songs/b/bewitchedbotheredandbewildered
.shtml>
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CDB

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Apr 17, 2011, 11:52:22 AM4/17/11
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Peter Duncanson (BrE) wrote:
> Horace LaBadie <hwlab...@nospam.highstream.net> wrote:

>> Marius Hancu <marius...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> "To simper" vs. "to smirk"
>>> When would you use which?
>>>
>>> The definitions I've found don't help me very much, and this is
>>> the best synonym separation sources I know:
>>> http://tinyurl.com/3vl8ffl
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thanks,
>>> Marius Hancu
>>
>> There is an implication of falsity and pouting to a simper. Smirk
>> is an offensively self-satisfied, smug or condescending smile.
>> Simper is more often applied to females than males.
>
> I agree.
>
> OED is of limited help. The usages of the words have changed with
> time. The definition of simper includes smirk, and the definition
> of smirk includes simper.
>
> smirk, v.
>
> 1.a. intr. To smile; in later use, to smile in an affected,
> self-satisfied, or silly manner; to simper.
>
> simper, v.2
>
> 1.a. intr. To smile in a silly, self-conscious, or affected
> manner; to smirk.
>>
I associate simpering with little whispered laughy exhalations through
the nostrils -- purse-mouthed, sotto-voce giggling. A smirk can be
wry, even sinister, and it is smirked in mocking or menacing silence.


Steve Hayes

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Apr 17, 2011, 1:41:33 PM4/17/11
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On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 05:03:20 -0700 (PDT), Marius Hancu
<marius...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Hello:
>
>"To simper" vs. "to smirk"
>When would you use which?

To simper is to be weakly and slickly ingratiating.

Smirking is when one is pleased about something, including another's
discomfiture.


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tony cooper

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Apr 17, 2011, 1:41:40 PM4/17/11
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A facial expression is pretty much static. A simper can involve a
facial expression that is dynamic - movement of the mouth, head,
eyebrows - and can involve other body movements (hands).

I think you can capture a smirk in a photograph. It would take a
series of photographs to capture a simper.

A simper can also be accompanied by sounds of agreement or sympathy to
a position. A smirk is silent.

Steve Hayes

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Apr 17, 2011, 1:42:38 PM4/17/11
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On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 06:06:37 -0700 (PDT), bert <bert.hu...@btinternet.com>
wrote:

Good summary.

Marius Hancu

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Apr 17, 2011, 2:58:20 PM4/17/11
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Thanks.

Is there any simpering here (please indicate the exact time on the
recording, if so)?
Sean Sanczel's Take 5 Commercial "Simpering Idiots"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l77jWsokNjw

Marius Hancu

Robin Bignall

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Apr 17, 2011, 4:06:08 PM4/17/11
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On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 11:52:22 -0400, "CDB" <belle...@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

That's getting closer. COD seems quite good with simper:
simper
· v. smile in an affectedly coquettish, coy, or ingratiating manner.

To me, it's the false coyness or ingratiation that makes a simper.
It appears less clear with smirk:
smirk
· v. smile in an irritatingly smug or silly way.

The main characteristic of people who smirk is that they think they've
been very clever and got away with something quite petty and nasty.
--
Robin Bignall
(BrE)
Herts, England

tony cooper

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Apr 17, 2011, 4:07:05 PM4/17/11
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Not that I see. Expressions, but not simpering.

This is closer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjSqBiHaMuk

I have *no* idea what this guy's talking about, but if you turn off
the volume and watch his face you'll see some simpering going on.

The language is a bit raw, but nothing too strong for this group. You
might not want the volume on if you are in the office.

Irwell

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Apr 17, 2011, 7:10:09 PM4/17/11
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Why did an image of Bush just flash by?

Robin Bignall

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Apr 18, 2011, 4:15:07 PM4/18/11
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Interesting you should say that. The other day, David Cameron was
telling us that we should be interested in GWB as well as GDP. Thank
goodness he was talking about 'general wellbeing'.

Stephanie Mitchell

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Apr 18, 2011, 4:25:35 PM4/18/11
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On Apr 18, 1:10 am, Irwell <h...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 21:06:08 +0100, Robin Bignall wrote:
> > On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 11:52:22 -0400, "CDB" <bellema...@sympatico.ca>

> > wrote:
>
> >>Peter Duncanson (BrE) wrote:
> >>> Horace LaBadie <hwlabadi...@nospam.highstream.net> wrote:
> Why did an image of Bush just flash by?- Hide quoted text -

And for me it's usually Renee Zellweger who simpers. I don't think
she has another expression.

R H Draney

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Apr 18, 2011, 4:33:46 PM4/18/11
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Robin Bignall filted:

Which I agree is more important than Ground Delay Program....r


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Me? Sarcastic?
Yeah, right.

John Varela

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Apr 18, 2011, 5:41:30 PM4/18/11
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On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 12:03:20 UTC, Marius Hancu
<marius...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello:
>
> "To simper" vs. "to smirk"
> When would you use which?
>
> The definitions I've found don't help me very much, and this is the
> best synonym separation sources I know:
> http://tinyurl.com/3vl8ffl

A villain smirks; a lackey simpers.

Also, the facial expression of someone who forces a smile for the
camera can appear to be a smirk but never a simper.

--
John Varela

Marius Hancu

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Apr 19, 2011, 9:45:09 PM4/19/11
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Gotcha:-)

Thanks.
Marius hancu

Marius Hancu

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Apr 19, 2011, 9:45:57 PM4/19/11
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On Apr 18, 5:41 pm, "John Varela" <newla...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 12:03:20 UTC, Marius Hancu
>
> <marius.ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello:
>
> > "To simper" vs. "to smirk"
> > When would you use which?
>
> > The definitions I've found don't help me very much, and this is the
> > best synonym separation sources I know:
> >http://tinyurl.com/3vl8ffl
>
> A villain smirks; a lackey simpers.

Significant.

> Also, the facial expression of someone who forces a smile for the
> camera can appear to be a smirk but never a simper.

Thanks.
Marius Hancu

Vinny Burgoo

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Apr 20, 2011, 7:38:16 AM4/20/11
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In alt.usage.english, Stephanie Mitchell wrote:
>On Apr 18, 1:10 am, Irwell <h...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 21:06:08 +0100, Robin Bignall wrote:
>> > On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 11:52:22 -0400, "CDB" <bellema...@sympatico.ca>

>> >>I associate simpering with little whispered laughy exhalations through


>> >>the nostrils -- purse-mouthed, sotto-voce giggling.  A smirk can be
>> >>wry, even sinister, and it is smirked in mocking or menacing silence.
>>
>> > That's getting closer.  COD seems quite good with simper:
>> > simper
>> > · v. smile in an affectedly coquettish, coy, or ingratiating manner.
>>
>> > To me, it's the false coyness or ingratiation that makes a simper.
>> > It appears less clear with smirk:
>> > smirk
>> > · v. smile in an irritatingly smug or silly way.
>>
>> > The main characteristic of people who smirk is that they think they've
>> > been very clever and got away with something quite petty and nasty.
>>
>> Why did an image of Bush just flash by?- Hide quoted text -
>
>And for me it's usually Renee Zellweger who simpers. I don't think
>she has another expression.

Someone once said that Renee Zellweger always looks like a hamster
squinting at the sun.

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VB
Which made me smirk

John Holmes

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Apr 27, 2011, 8:05:29 AM4/27/11
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Steve Hayes wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 05:03:20 -0700 (PDT), Marius Hancu
> <marius...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello:
>>
>> "To simper" vs. "to smirk"
>> When would you use which?
>
> To simper is to be weakly and slickly ingratiating.
>
> Smirking is when one is pleased about something, including another's
> discomfiture.

Yes, smirking doesn't have to be completely evil. You could smirk at
seeing the pompous heavy slip on a banana peel in an old Mack Sennett
film, for example.

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John
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