Four-eyes principle or four-eye principle?
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There is a controlling principle in various fields of finance it is
called the four eyes (or four-eye?) principle.
What I was taught at school is a fourteen-year-old boy, etc. but maybe
it is a different construction.
Should it be called four-eyes principle or four-eye principle?
Mark Brader
> called the four eyes (or four-eye?) principle.
of it before.
> What I was taught at school is a fourteen-year-old boy, etc. but maybe
> it is a different construction.
considered as measurements. A 10-minute break, a 2-car train, a 2-car
garage.
> Should it be called four-eyes principle or four-eye principle?
a measurement and using the singular. And in fact a Google search
shows that both the singular and the plural seem to be commonly used.
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CDB
>> There is a controlling principle in various fields of finance it is
>> called the four eyes (or four-eye?) principle.
>
> Meaning that things have to be approved by two people. I hadn't
> heard of it before.
>>
impression of its meaning.
>> What I was taught at school is a fourteen-year-old boy, etc. but
>> maybe it is a different construction.
>
> The construction with the singular only applies to things that may
> be considered as measurements. A 10-minute break, a 2-car train, a
> 2-car garage.
>
>> Should it be called four-eyes principle or four-eye principle?
>
> The plural makes more sense to me, but I can see people viewing it
> as a measurement and using the singular. And in fact a Google
> search shows that both the singular and the plural seem to be
> commonly used.
>>
Leslie Danks
refers to something discussed by two people privately. Typically, it might
apply to the leaders of two different factions sorting out their differences
in private before re-emerging to try and convince their followers that the
compromise reached is the best possible solution to the problem under
discussion.
I now see in Wikipedia that the "vier-Augen-Prinzip" also exists, is not the
same as the above, and has the meaning Mark gives. However, the translation
given is the "two-man rule".
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Les
(BrE)
Mark Brader
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Skitt
> Les Danks:
>> The German expression "unter view Augen" (literally "between four eyes")
>
> Your typos are becoming bilingual!
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James Hogg
> Les Danks:
>> The German expression "unter view Augen" (literally "between four
>> eyes")
>
> Your typos are becoming bilingual!
fingers, taking over the spelling of similar-looking words in foreign
languages. Lots of Danes typing in English just can't help writing "og"
(Danish for "and") when they mean "of". And when I type the Swedish
"som" I have to delete the "e" that I always put on the end.
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Leslie Danks
> Les Danks:
>> The German expression "unter view Augen" (literally "between four eyes")
>
> Your typos are becoming bilingual!
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Les
(BrE)
Leslie Danks
> Mark Brader wrote:
>> Les Danks:
>
>>> The German expression "unter view Augen" (literally "between four eyes")
>>
>> Your typos are becoming bilingual!
>
> Yeah, and *literally* it is "under four eyes".
>
preposition:
among
amongst
beneath
between
in
'tween
underneath
ICBW, but just because "unter" is similar to "under" doesn't automatically
make that the literal translation. Perhaps there's an expert opinion
circling out there waiting to pounce.
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Les
(BrE)
Skitt
Hmm. Not being an expert, all I can do is offer the following:
Under
Middle English, adverb & preposition, from Old English; akin to Old High
German untar under, Latin inferus situated beneath, lower, infra below,
Sanskrit adha
First Known Use: before 12th century
Ref.: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/under
I realize that it does not apply directly to the modern German word
"unter", nor does it contradict LEO. I still think that literally it is
a closer fit than "between", although its usage meaning can also be
correctly described as "between".
Jerry Friedman
> > There is a controlling principle in various fields of finance it is
> > called the four eyes (or four-eye?) principle.
>
> Meaning that things have to be approved by two people. I hadn't heard
> of it before.
>
> > What I was taught at school is a fourteen-year-old boy, etc. but maybe
> > it is a different construction.
>
> The construction with the singular only applies to things that may be
> considered as measurements. A 10-minute break, a 2-car train, a 2-car
> garage.
instance, I doubt anyone would use "measure" in discussing "two-star
general" or "six-man football".
And of course other nouns take singular form when used attributively
even if the sense might call for a plural--"toothbrush", "car dealer",
"weed killer", "prize fund", etc.
> > Should it be called four-eyes principle or four-eye principle?
>
> The plural makes more sense to me, but I can see people viewing it as
> a measurement and using the singular. And in fact a Google search
> shows that both the singular and the plural seem to be commonly used.
sort of a mention, not a use. Maybe.
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Jerry Friedman
Leslie Danks
by "literally" in cases like this.
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Les
(BrE)
Mark Brader
> > considered as measurements. A 10-minute break, a 2-car train, a 2-car
> > garage.
> instance, I doubt anyone would use "measure" in discussing "two-star
> general" or "six-man football".
> And of course other nouns take singular form when used attributively
> even if the sense might call for a plural--"toothbrush", "car dealer",
> "weed killer", "prize fund", etc.
between singular and plural.
> > > Should it be called four-eyes principle or four-eye principle?
> >
> > The plural makes more sense to me, but I can see people viewing it as
> > a measurement and using the singular. And in fact a Google search
> > shows that both the singular and the plural seem to be commonly used.
>
> I like CDB's suggestion of "'four eyes' principle". I think this is
> sort of a mention, not a use. Maybe.
which Google finds lots of examples of, but I accidentally deleted that
bit. I think both versions are acceptable, but I like the hyphenated one
better.
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Mike Lyle
>Mark Brader:
>> > The construction with the singular only applies to things that may be
>> > considered as measurements. A 10-minute break, a 2-car train, a 2-car
>> > garage.
>
>Jerry Friedman:
>> For a very general meaning of "considered as measurements". For
>> instance, I doubt anyone would use "measure" in discussing "two-star
>> general" or "six-man football".
>
>I agree. I should have added something like "in a generalized sense".
>
>> And of course other nouns take singular form when used attributively
>> even if the sense might call for a plural--"toothbrush", "car dealer",
>> "weed killer", "prize fund", etc.
>
>Also true, and it's worth nothing that some of these constructions vary
>between singular and plural.
>
think of off-hand is the "Teeth whitening programme" available from
Boots. I find it alien and ugly. (ObOtherThing: "Boots" doesn't have
an apostrophe, though the founder's name was "Jesse Boot".)
[...]
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CDB
Mike Lyle
There is, of course, my own intuitive preference for "two-times
champion" over "two-time champion"; but a.u.e. has almost cured me of
that.
Britain has the absurd "Trades Union Congress", which I'm convinced
started life as a slip on the mistaken analogy of "courts martial" and
got into print before anybody could stop it.
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Mike.
tsuidf
We're taught it in our internal financial management courses here and
it's referred to as
the 'four-eyes principle'. I always assumed it was a rather literal
translation from the French.
And yet whenever it's mentioned, I always hark back to my days as an
unhappy 12-year-old being
called 'four eyes' on the school bus.
I survived the bus rides, I only hope I survive the financial
management too.
cheers,
Stephanie in Brussels
franzi
>
> Britain has the absurd "Trades Union Congress", which I'm convinced
> started life as a slip on the mistaken analogy of "courts martial" and
> got into print before anybody could stop it.
>
justify having formed a trades union when they grew large enough to
include the rivet-holders trade as well as the rivet-heaters trade,
the rivet-tossers trade, the rivet-backers trade AND the rivet-
upsetters trade. (Add apostrophes, ad lib.)
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franzi
I'm not the rivet-tosser, I'm the rivet-tosser's son.
I'm only tossing rivets till the rivet-tosser comes.
Dr Nick
I think you'd be better using the idiomatic English phrase is "a second
pair of eyes" or perhaps "two pairs of eyes" (depending on whether it's
checking things (the first) or sharing the work equally (the second)).
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Mike Lyle
<et.in.arca...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>On Oct 8, 9:19�pm, Mike Lyle <mike_lyle...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Britain has the absurd "Trades Union Congress", which I'm convinced
>> started life as a slip on the mistaken analogy of "courts martial" and
>> got into print before anybody could stop it.
>>
>There are enough unions of the form "this, that and allied trades" to
>justify having formed a trades union when they grew large enough to
>include the rivet-holders trade as well as the rivet-heaters trade,
>the rivet-tossers trade, the rivet-backers trade AND the rivet-
>upsetters trade. (Add apostrophes, ad lib.)
Yes, but the TUC is a congress of separate trade unions, not one of a
union of trades. I stick with the perpetuated-error theory: it's a
legally incorporated organisation (if that's correct terminology), so
changing the name might have presented difficulties.
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Mike.
Andrew B
If you look at the original circular from 1868 which led to the
formation of the TUC, it refers throughout to "Trades Unions" (and
"Trades Societies" and "Trades Councils"). It seems reasonable to me to
call a congress of trades unions a "trades union congress".