=SDC= Q16: From the other place to the other place
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Jerry Friedman
Sep 1, 2012, 12:59:44 PM9/1/12
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Find two points on the same land mass in one of the industrialized
English-speaking countries, at least five miles (8 km) apart as the
crow flies, for which the length of the route recommended by Google
Maps exceeds that of the crow's route by the greatest ratio. The
sheep will go to the person who has found the points with the greatest
ratio when the competition ends.
There must be a route recommended by Google Maps; the absence of a
route does not count as infinite distance.
The Totally Official industrialized English-speaking countries are
Australia, Canada, Ireland, New Zealand, South Africa, the UK, and the
US.
--
Jerry Friedman, T. O. Panelist
English-speaking countries, at least five miles (8 km) apart as the
crow flies, for which the length of the route recommended by Google
Maps exceeds that of the crow's route by the greatest ratio. The
sheep will go to the person who has found the points with the greatest
ratio when the competition ends.
There must be a route recommended by Google Maps; the absence of a
route does not count as infinite distance.
The Totally Official industrialized English-speaking countries are
Australia, Canada, Ireland, New Zealand, South Africa, the UK, and the
US.
--
Jerry Friedman, T. O. Panelist
Vinny Burgoo
Sep 1, 2012, 3:14:55 PM9/1/12
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Google Maps offers two routes for Lenie to Abersky, settlements on
opposite sides of Loch Ness that are 5.2 miles apart as the crow flies.
The first (the recommended route?) is 33.1 miles; the second is 38.8
miles. So I claim 6.4:1 (6.365:1) or, if allowed, 7.5:1 (7.462:1).
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VB
Curlytop
Sep 1, 2012, 3:40:57 PM9/1/12
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Jerry Friedman set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time
continuum:
Cardiff to Weston-super-Mare: 12 miles as the seagull flies across the
Bristol Channel, 54.3 miles by the recommended road route (M4, M49, M5,
A370)
So let's try a route further down the Bristol Channel e.g. Barry to Watchet,
the most southerly point of the Welsh mainland to the most southerly point
of Bridgwater Bay. 15 miles in a straight line across the sea, 98.8 miles
by road (A4232, M4, M49, M5, A39).
BTW on a recent visit to the island of Steep Holm, the speedboat I was on
did the 12-mile sea crossing from Weston to Cardiff in a very respectable
14 minutes.
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continuum:
Bristol Channel, 54.3 miles by the recommended road route (M4, M49, M5,
A370)
So let's try a route further down the Bristol Channel e.g. Barry to Watchet,
the most southerly point of the Welsh mainland to the most southerly point
of Bridgwater Bay. 15 miles in a straight line across the sea, 98.8 miles
by road (A4232, M4, M49, M5, A39).
BTW on a recent visit to the island of Steep Holm, the speedboat I was on
did the 12-mile sea crossing from Weston to Cardiff in a very respectable
14 minutes.
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Vinny Burgoo
Sep 1, 2012, 4:02:27 PM9/1/12
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buildings?) 5.0 miles away on a peninsula across Lake Oahe: 81.9 miles.
Which gives 16.4:1.
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VB
Vinny Burgoo
Sep 1, 2012, 4:26:03 PM9/1/12
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In alt.usage.english, Vinny Burgoo wrote:
>In alt.usage.english, Vinny Burgoo wrote:
>>Ooh, I could happily waste hours on this.
>>
>>Google Maps offers two routes for Lenie to Abersky, settlements on
>>opposite sides of Loch Ness that are 5.2 miles apart as the crow
>>flies. The first (the recommended route?) is 33.1 miles; the second is
>>38.8 miles. So I claim 6.4:1 (6.365:1) or, if allowed, 7.5:1 (7.462:1).
>
>Bend Recreation Area, South Dakota, to some unnamed place (farm
>buildings?) 5.0 miles away on a peninsula across Lake Oahe: 81.9 miles.
>Which gives 16.4:1.
Cove Point in Chesapeake Bay to an unnamed cape due east of it: 24.3:1.
>>Ooh, I could happily waste hours on this.
>>
>>Google Maps offers two routes for Lenie to Abersky, settlements on
>>opposite sides of Loch Ness that are 5.2 miles apart as the crow
>>flies. The first (the recommended route?) is 33.1 miles; the second is
>>38.8 miles. So I claim 6.4:1 (6.365:1) or, if allowed, 7.5:1 (7.462:1).
>
>Bend Recreation Area, South Dakota, to some unnamed place (farm
>buildings?) 5.0 miles away on a peninsula across Lake Oahe: 81.9 miles.
>Which gives 16.4:1.
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VB
Help! How do I get off this thing?
Cédric Menge
Sep 1, 2012, 4:34:45 PM9/1/12
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<http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=NB-320+E&daddr=QC-132+E&hl=en&sll=47.928766,-64.982758&sspn=0.429262,1.056747&geocode=FdrG2QIdIJMe_A%3BFYgz3QIdRMod_A&mra=dme&mrsp=0&sz=11&t=m&z=11>
I've managed just short of 14:1 as well, but that was in Norway (fjords
are useful for this kind of thing).
Also, 26.5:1 in New Zealand around Wellington Harbour, but with an
endpoint separation of only 2.25km.
The "ratio" part of the rules is an interesting twist. I looked at
large-scale structures at first, but didn't make it past roughly 8:1.
It really only depends on the shape of the route, and smaller-scale
geography in low-population areas seems to be at an advantage here:
Nobody builds a bridge or runs a ferry so five cars a week can save 2km.
C�dric
Jerry Friedman
Sep 1, 2012, 4:45:13 PM9/1/12
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On Sep 1, 1:15 pm, Vinny Burgoo <hlu...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> In alt.usage.english, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>
> >Find two points on the same land mass in one of the industrialized
> >English-speaking countries, at least five miles (8 km) apart as the
> >crow flies, for which the length of the route recommended by Google
> >Maps exceeds that of the crow's route by the greatest ratio. The
> >sheep will go to the person who has found the points with the greatest
> >ratio when the competition ends.
>
> >There must be a route recommended by Google Maps; the absence of a
> >route does not count as infinite distance.
>
> >The Totally Official industrialized English-speaking countries are
> >Australia, Canada, Ireland, New Zealand, South Africa, the UK, and the
> >US.
>
> Ooh, I could happily waste hours on this.
Careful!
> In alt.usage.english, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>
> >Find two points on the same land mass in one of the industrialized
> >English-speaking countries, at least five miles (8 km) apart as the
> >crow flies, for which the length of the route recommended by Google
> >Maps exceeds that of the crow's route by the greatest ratio. The
> >sheep will go to the person who has found the points with the greatest
> >ratio when the competition ends.
>
> >There must be a route recommended by Google Maps; the absence of a
> >route does not count as infinite distance.
>
> >The Totally Official industrialized English-speaking countries are
> >Australia, Canada, Ireland, New Zealand, South Africa, the UK, and the
> >US.
>
> Ooh, I could happily waste hours on this.
> Google Maps offers two routes for Lenie to Abersky, settlements on
> opposite sides of Loch Ness that are 5.2 miles apart as the crow flies.
> The first (the recommended route?) is 33.1 miles
Yes, by "recommended route" I meant the first one (which is estimated
to take the least time in the ones I've looked at).
Mark Brader
Sep 1, 2012, 5:28:10 PM9/1/12
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C�dric Menge:
near Haines, Alaska, for which the road distance to Skagway Seaplane
Base is 585 km because you have to go via Haines, Haines Jct., and
Whitehorse, and the two points are about 18 km apart, giving a ratio of
32.5. But *nooooo*, Google Maps just routes you via the Skagway-Haines
ferry and calls it 33.7 km total distance -- to get the road route
you have to select both Haines Jct. and Whitehorse as intermediate
destinations. Phooey!
--
Mark Brader, Toronto | "Bacterium is the term for a single bacteria."
m...@vex.net |
My text in this article is in the public domain.
> The "ratio" part of the rules is an interesting twist. I looked at
> large-scale structures at first, but didn't make it past roughly 8:1.
>
> It really only depends on the shape of the route, and smaller-scale
> geography in low-population areas seems to be at an advantage here:
> Nobody builds a bridge or runs a ferry so five cars a week can save 2km.
Ferries, don't talk to me about ferries. I found a spot on Lutak Rd.
> large-scale structures at first, but didn't make it past roughly 8:1.
>
> It really only depends on the shape of the route, and smaller-scale
> geography in low-population areas seems to be at an advantage here:
> Nobody builds a bridge or runs a ferry so five cars a week can save 2km.
near Haines, Alaska, for which the road distance to Skagway Seaplane
Base is 585 km because you have to go via Haines, Haines Jct., and
Whitehorse, and the two points are about 18 km apart, giving a ratio of
32.5. But *nooooo*, Google Maps just routes you via the Skagway-Haines
ferry and calls it 33.7 km total distance -- to get the road route
you have to select both Haines Jct. and Whitehorse as intermediate
destinations. Phooey!
--
Mark Brader, Toronto | "Bacterium is the term for a single bacteria."
m...@vex.net |
My text in this article is in the public domain.
Mark Brader
Sep 1, 2012, 5:54:41 PM9/1/12
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Mark Brader:
From 36.07481,-112.15567 (a viewpoint on West Rim Drive on the
South Rim) to 36.18061,-112.12801 (Tiyo Point, or more precisely
the end of the Tiyo Point Road, on the North Rim). Google Maps
gives a route of 359 km; my program makes the straight distance
between those coordinates 12.024 km; that gives a ratio of 29.86.
(I'm using km because this gives the finest gradations on the Google
Maps route lengths, by the way -- it shows them in whole miles or
whole kilometers.)
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Toronto | hundreds of points of view. It was not called the
m...@vex.net | Net of a Million Lies for nothing." --Vernor Vinge
> Ferries, don't talk to me about ferries.
No ferries across the Grand Canyon, though.
From 36.07481,-112.15567 (a viewpoint on West Rim Drive on the
South Rim) to 36.18061,-112.12801 (Tiyo Point, or more precisely
the end of the Tiyo Point Road, on the North Rim). Google Maps
gives a route of 359 km; my program makes the straight distance
between those coordinates 12.024 km; that gives a ratio of 29.86.
(I'm using km because this gives the finest gradations on the Google
Maps route lengths, by the way -- it shows them in whole miles or
whole kilometers.)
--
Mark Brader | "And so it went. Tens of thousands of messages,
Toronto | hundreds of points of view. It was not called the
m...@vex.net | Net of a Million Lies for nothing." --Vernor Vinge
Vinny Burgoo
Sep 1, 2012, 5:59:55 PM9/1/12
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In alt.usage.english, Mark Brader wrote:
>Mark Brader:
>> Ferries, don't talk to me about ferries.
>
>No ferries across the Grand Canyon, though.
>
>From 36.07481,-112.15567 (a viewpoint on West Rim Drive on the
>South Rim) to 36.18061,-112.12801 (Tiyo Point, or more precisely
>the end of the Tiyo Point Road, on the North Rim). Google Maps
>gives a route of 359 km; my program makes the straight distance
>between those coordinates 12.024 km; that gives a ratio of 29.86.
>
>(I'm using km because this gives the finest gradations on the Google
>Maps route lengths, by the way -- it shows them in whole miles or
>whole kilometers.)
Or across Babine Lake, it seems:
>Mark Brader:
>> Ferries, don't talk to me about ferries.
>
>No ferries across the Grand Canyon, though.
>
>From 36.07481,-112.15567 (a viewpoint on West Rim Drive on the
>South Rim) to 36.18061,-112.12801 (Tiyo Point, or more precisely
>the end of the Tiyo Point Road, on the North Rim). Google Maps
>gives a route of 359 km; my program makes the straight distance
>between those coordinates 12.024 km; that gives a ratio of 29.86.
>
>(I'm using km because this gives the finest gradations on the Google
>Maps route lengths, by the way -- it shows them in whole miles or
>whole kilometers.)
<http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?saddr=Unknown+road&daddr=Unknown+road&hl=e
n&geocode=FZ7QQwMduvl7-A%3BFcWzRAMd_hx9-A&doflg=ptk&mra=ls&t=m&z=9>
59.3:1.
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VB
James Hogg
Sep 1, 2012, 6:09:57 PM9/1/12
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Mark Brader wrote:
> C�dric Menge:
>> The "ratio" part of the rules is an interesting twist. I looked at
>> large-scale structures at first, but didn't make it past roughly 8:1.
>>
>> It really only depends on the shape of the route, and smaller-scale
>> geography in low-population areas seems to be at an advantage here:
>> Nobody builds a bridge or runs a ferry so five cars a week can save 2km.
>
> Ferries, don't talk to me about ferries. I found a spot on Lutak Rd.
> near Haines, Alaska, for which the road distance to Skagway Seaplane
> Base is 585 km because you have to go via Haines, Haines Jct., and
> Whitehorse, and the two points are about 18 km apart, giving a ratio of
> 32.5. But *nooooo*, Google Maps just routes you via the Skagway-Haines
> ferry and calls it 33.7 km total distance -- to get the road route
> you have to select both Haines Jct. and Whitehorse as intermediate
> destinations. Phooey!
I thought I had a good one here:
> C�dric Menge:
>> The "ratio" part of the rules is an interesting twist. I looked at
>> large-scale structures at first, but didn't make it past roughly 8:1.
>>
>> It really only depends on the shape of the route, and smaller-scale
>> geography in low-population areas seems to be at an advantage here:
>> Nobody builds a bridge or runs a ferry so five cars a week can save 2km.
>
> Ferries, don't talk to me about ferries. I found a spot on Lutak Rd.
> near Haines, Alaska, for which the road distance to Skagway Seaplane
> Base is 585 km because you have to go via Haines, Haines Jct., and
> Whitehorse, and the two points are about 18 km apart, giving a ratio of
> 32.5. But *nooooo*, Google Maps just routes you via the Skagway-Haines
> ferry and calls it 33.7 km total distance -- to get the road route
> you have to select both Haines Jct. and Whitehorse as intermediate
> destinations. Phooey!
From Pasp�biac, QC, Canada
to Caraquet, NB, Canada
until I realized the Google distance was in km and I was estimating the
crow's flight in miles (by the way, where can you get an exact figure
for that?). The respective distances are 195 and 21 miles, a ratio of 1:9.3.
--
James
Vinny Burgoo
Sep 1, 2012, 6:14:47 PM9/1/12
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screen and enable 'Distance Measurement Tool' then click the ruler (it
turns blue) and click on two points.
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VB
PAUL {HAMILTON ROONEY}
Sep 1, 2012, 6:17:42 PM9/1/12
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James Hogg
Sep 1, 2012, 6:32:53 PM9/1/12
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James
Jerry Friedman
Sep 1, 2012, 6:36:47 PM9/1/12
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On Sep 1, 4:17 pm, PAUL {HAMILTON ROONEY} <PAULVLOO...@SNOTMAIL.COM>
wrote:
behind their house, or from a highway to a frontage road, or for that
matter from the eastbound lanes of a highway to the westbound (if you
can make Google Maps show you a distance for that). We didn't think
things like that would be fun to look for.
If you asked that because you have an interesting example with a
direct distance less than five miles (I realize you didn't say that),
people might like to see it.
wrote:
> Why 'at least 5 miles apart'?
Because we didn't want it to be from somebody's street to the alley
behind their house, or from a highway to a frontage road, or for that
matter from the eastbound lanes of a highway to the westbound (if you
can make Google Maps show you a distance for that). We didn't think
things like that would be fun to look for.
If you asked that because you have an interesting example with a
direct distance less than five miles (I realize you didn't say that),
people might like to see it.
Reinhold {Rey} Aman
Sep 1, 2012, 7:07:06 PM9/1/12
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Vinny Burgoo wrote:
>
> Help! How do I get off this thing?
>
You can't. SDC is a tar baby.
>
> Help! How do I get off this thing?
>
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~~~ Reinhold {Rey} Aman ~~~
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Mark Brader
Sep 1, 2012, 10:50:38 PM9/1/12
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> Or across Babine Lake, it seems:
>
> <http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?saddr=Unknown+road&daddr=Unknown+road&hl=e
> n&geocode=FZ7QQwMduvl7-A%3BFcWzRAMd_hx9-A&doflg=ptk&mra=ls&t=m&z=9>
>
> 59.3:1.
I make the coordinates 54.77594,-126.09283 and 54.83412,-126.01831,
>
> <http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?saddr=Unknown+road&daddr=Unknown+road&hl=e
> n&geocode=FZ7QQwMduvl7-A%3BFcWzRAMd_hx9-A&doflg=ptk&mra=ls&t=m&z=9>
>
> 59.3:1.
which are 4.9912 miles or 8.0325 km apart. The GM route is 474 km,
and 474/8.0325 = 59.01.
To reach the required 5 miles, let's move the second point east a bit
to 54.83406,-126.01779. Now the ratio is 474/8.047 = 58.90, but it's
contest-legal.
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Toronto | influences, others define their identity by resisting.
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PAUL {HAMILTON ROONEY}
Sep 2, 2012, 1:04:57 AM9/2/12
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> If you asked that because you have an interesting example with a
> direct distance less than five miles (I realize you didn't say that),
> people might like to see it.
aware of.
Athel Cornish-Bowden
Sep 2, 2012, 1:35:03 AM9/2/12
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On 2012-09-02 00:24:10 +0000, Lewis said:
> In message <080db78a-94c2-4d42...@z17g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>
>
> http://goo.gl/maps/Q1Sri
>
> If it did I could get two points over the Golden Gate that were 5km
> apart and took well over 250km.
>
> Cheating?
Maybe, but it brings back a memory. Once we were somewhere in Marin
County and needed to get back to Berkeley when we realized we hadn't
brought enough money for the tolls (OK, I know it wasn't much, but we
had been careless, and spent almost every cent). So we drove back
around by Vallejo -- a very long way! In those days there were tolls in
both directions on the Bay Bridge -- jokes about having to pay to go to
San Francisco but going to Oakland was free came later.
--
athel
> In message <080db78a-94c2-4d42...@z17g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>
> Jerry Friedman <je...@totally-official.com> wrote:
>> Find two points on the same land mass in one of the industrialized
>> English-speaking countries, at least five miles (8 km) apart as the
>> crow flies, for which the length of the route recommended by Google
>> Maps exceeds that of the crow's route by the greatest ratio. The
>> sheep will go to the person who has found the points with the greatest
>> ratio when the competition ends.
>
> Sadly, Google maps "avoid tolls" does not, in fact, avoid tolls.
>> Find two points on the same land mass in one of the industrialized
>> English-speaking countries, at least five miles (8 km) apart as the
>> crow flies, for which the length of the route recommended by Google
>> Maps exceeds that of the crow's route by the greatest ratio. The
>> sheep will go to the person who has found the points with the greatest
>> ratio when the competition ends.
>
>
> http://goo.gl/maps/Q1Sri
>
> If it did I could get two points over the Golden Gate that were 5km
> apart and took well over 250km.
>
> Cheating?
Maybe, but it brings back a memory. Once we were somewhere in Marin
County and needed to get back to Berkeley when we realized we hadn't
brought enough money for the tolls (OK, I know it wasn't much, but we
had been careless, and spent almost every cent). So we drove back
around by Vallejo -- a very long way! In those days there were tolls in
both directions on the Bay Bridge -- jokes about having to pay to go to
San Francisco but going to Oakland was free came later.
--
athel
Alan Curry
Sep 2, 2012, 2:03:15 AM9/2/12
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In article <DvWdnd6dhOC8Gd_N...@vex.net>,
-113.101963, straight line distance 5 miles (well, 5.027 but it's just a
matter of fiddling with the endpoints; you can get under 3.5 miles just
by following the roads to their ends), driving distance 439 miles, ratio
439/5 = 87.8
Starting and ending in Arizona, goes through Las Vegas and part of Utah.
--
Alan Curry
Mark Brader <m...@vex.net> wrote:
>Mark Brader:
>> Ferries, don't talk to me about ferries.
>
>No ferries across the Grand Canyon, though.
>
>From 36.07481,-112.15567 (a viewpoint on West Rim Drive on the
>South Rim) to 36.18061,-112.12801 (Tiyo Point, or more precisely
>the end of the Tiyo Point Road, on the North Rim). Google Maps
>gives a route of 359 km; my program makes the straight distance
>between those coordinates 12.024 km; that gives a ratio of 29.86.
In the same part of the world, 36.222134, -113.144522 to 36.157896,
>Mark Brader:
>> Ferries, don't talk to me about ferries.
>
>No ferries across the Grand Canyon, though.
>
>From 36.07481,-112.15567 (a viewpoint on West Rim Drive on the
>South Rim) to 36.18061,-112.12801 (Tiyo Point, or more precisely
>the end of the Tiyo Point Road, on the North Rim). Google Maps
>gives a route of 359 km; my program makes the straight distance
>between those coordinates 12.024 km; that gives a ratio of 29.86.
-113.101963, straight line distance 5 miles (well, 5.027 but it's just a
matter of fiddling with the endpoints; you can get under 3.5 miles just
by following the roads to their ends), driving distance 439 miles, ratio
439/5 = 87.8
Starting and ending in Arizona, goes through Las Vegas and part of Utah.
--
Alan Curry
Vinny Burgoo
Sep 2, 2012, 7:07:20 AM9/2/12
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In alt.usage.english, Mark Brader wrote:
>> Or across Babine Lake, it seems:
>>
>> <http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?saddr=Unknown+road&daddr=Unknown+road&hl=e
>> n&geocode=FZ7QQwMduvl7-A%3BFcWzRAMd_hx9-A&doflg=ptk&mra=ls&t=m&z=9>
>>
>> 59.3:1.
>
>I make the coordinates 54.77594,-126.09283 and 54.83412,-126.01831,
>which are 4.9912 miles or 8.0325 km apart. The GM route is 474 km,
>and 474/8.0325 = 59.01.
>
>To reach the required 5 miles, let's move the second point east a bit
>to 54.83406,-126.01779. Now the ratio is 474/8.047 = 58.90, but it's
>contest-legal.
But not contest-winning.
>>
>> <http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?saddr=Unknown+road&daddr=Unknown+road&hl=e
>> n&geocode=FZ7QQwMduvl7-A%3BFcWzRAMd_hx9-A&doflg=ptk&mra=ls&t=m&z=9>
>>
>> 59.3:1.
>
>I make the coordinates 54.77594,-126.09283 and 54.83412,-126.01831,
>which are 4.9912 miles or 8.0325 km apart. The GM route is 474 km,
>and 474/8.0325 = 59.01.
>
>To reach the required 5 miles, let's move the second point east a bit
>to 54.83406,-126.01779. Now the ratio is 474/8.047 = 58.90, but it's
>contest-legal.
Nor is this. Two points in Egypt separated by 25 m and 10,662 km:
<http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?saddr=Halaieb+We+Shalatein&daddr=Unknown+r
oad&hl=en&ll=22.005951,36.72512&spn=0.00192,0.00268&sll=22.005866,36.7254
33&sspn=0.00384,0.006968&geocode=FXDITwEdBmAwAg%3BFY3HTwEdJGAwAg&mra=dme&
mrsp=1&sz=18&t=m&z=19>
426,480:1 - and it includes a ferry! (Dunno where.)
If you drag either of the markers slightly closer to each other the
recommended route becomes a bit more sensible.
This is odd, too:
<http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ll=24.634535,94.336853&spn=0.963679,
1.783905&t=m&z=10>
Someone testing the 'city' brush before inking Imphal, then forgetting
to delete?
--
VB
Vinny Burgoo
Sep 2, 2012, 7:10:01 AM9/2/12
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In alt.usage.english, Reinhold {Rey} Aman wrote:
>Vinny Burgoo wrote:
>> Help! How do I get off this thing?
>>
>You can't. SDC is a tar baby.
You're not wrong. But at least I now know that you can't get from Typo
>Vinny Burgoo wrote:
>> Help! How do I get off this thing?
>>
>You can't. SDC is a tar baby.
to Spello by road.
--
VB
Mark Brader
Sep 2, 2012, 1:58:47 PM9/2/12
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> Nor is this. Two points in Egypt separated by 25 m and 10,662 km:
>
> <http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?saddr=Halaieb+We+Shalatein&daddr=Unknown+r
> oad&hl=en&ll=22.005951,36.72512&spn=0.00192,0.00268&sll=22.005866,36.7254
> 33&sspn=0.00384,0.006968&geocode=FXDITwEdBmAwAg%3BFY3HTwEdJGAwAg&mra=dme&
> mrsp=1&sz=18&t=m&z=19>
When I originally read the question I assumed it was asking for this sort
>
> <http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?saddr=Halaieb+We+Shalatein&daddr=Unknown+r
> oad&hl=en&ll=22.005951,36.72512&spn=0.00192,0.00268&sll=22.005866,36.7254
> 33&sspn=0.00384,0.006968&geocode=FXDITwEdBmAwAg%3BFY3HTwEdJGAwAg&mra=dme&
> mrsp=1&sz=18&t=m&z=19>
of anomaly. How'd you find this one? Maybe you could find a context-legal
one by the same method.
> 426,480:1 - and it includes a ferry! (Dunno where.)
El Beid or Ebeji River, forming the Nigeria-Cameroon border.
> If you drag either of the markers slightly closer to each other the
> recommended route becomes a bit more sensible.
shorter route crossing the river by bridge at Gambaru. You can
see by experiment that Google Maps knows the bridge route is there
but, again, tries not to send you that way unless you put the start
and end points close enough together (within about 10 miles).
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Toronto | not realizing that if C were what they thought they wanted
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Vinny Burgoo
Sep 2, 2012, 3:07:19 PM9/2/12
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In alt.usage.english, Mark Brader wrote:
>> Nor is this. Two points in Egypt separated by 25 m and 10,662 km:
>>
>> <http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?saddr=Halaieb+We+Shalatein&daddr=Unknown+r
>> oad&hl=en&ll=22.005951,36.72512&spn=0.00192,0.00268&sll=22.005866,36.7254
>> 33&sspn=0.00384,0.006968&geocode=FXDITwEdBmAwAg%3BFY3HTwEdJGAwAg&mra=dme&
>> mrsp=1&sz=18&t=m&z=19>
>
>When I originally read the question I assumed it was asking for this sort
>of anomaly. How'd you find this one?
I was up very late with a mountain of Guinness.
>>
>> <http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?saddr=Halaieb+We+Shalatein&daddr=Unknown+r
>> oad&hl=en&ll=22.005951,36.72512&spn=0.00192,0.00268&sll=22.005866,36.7254
>> 33&sspn=0.00384,0.006968&geocode=FXDITwEdBmAwAg%3BFY3HTwEdJGAwAg&mra=dme&
>> mrsp=1&sz=18&t=m&z=19>
>
>When I originally read the question I assumed it was asking for this sort
>of anomaly. How'd you find this one?
>Maybe you could find a context-legal one by the same method.
But I did have a quick and sober look at US and South African border
crossings. No luck. They all behave logically.
It's a shame that the US and Canada get on so well. With a less porous,
more militarised border, there'd be all sorts of opportunities for daft
detours.
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VB
R H Draney
Sep 2, 2012, 5:05:55 PM9/2/12
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Vinny Burgoo filted:
"face-to-face" portion of qualifying as a contestant for "Jeopardy!"...got off
the highway in Yuma to have lunch, and when I tried to get back underway, my GPS
insisted that I would have to drive to Parker before crossing the Colorado
River....
117 miles out of my way....
Turns out I had forgotten to change the setting from "avoid freeways" to either
"shortest route" or "fastest route"...crossing *at* Yuma would require me using
I-8 all the way to the coast, while the next likely crossing at Blythe would
have involved I-10....
There are few places to cross the Colorado, spaced a considerable distance
apart, and potential answers to this SDC question could be drawn from paired
points anywhere other than those crossings; the Grand Canyon examples already
posted may be among the more extreme cases...I found a useful Wiki page at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_crossings_of_the_Rio_Grande
but nothing similar for the Colorado....r
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Me? Sarcastic?
Yeah, right.
>
>But I did have a quick and sober look at US and South African border
>crossings. No luck. They all behave logically.
>
>It's a shame that the US and Canada get on so well. With a less porous,
>more militarised border, there'd be all sorts of opportunities for daft
>detours.
Four years ago this week, I drove from Phoenix to San Diego to do the
>But I did have a quick and sober look at US and South African border
>crossings. No luck. They all behave logically.
>
>It's a shame that the US and Canada get on so well. With a less porous,
>more militarised border, there'd be all sorts of opportunities for daft
>detours.
"face-to-face" portion of qualifying as a contestant for "Jeopardy!"...got off
the highway in Yuma to have lunch, and when I tried to get back underway, my GPS
insisted that I would have to drive to Parker before crossing the Colorado
River....
117 miles out of my way....
Turns out I had forgotten to change the setting from "avoid freeways" to either
"shortest route" or "fastest route"...crossing *at* Yuma would require me using
I-8 all the way to the coast, while the next likely crossing at Blythe would
have involved I-10....
There are few places to cross the Colorado, spaced a considerable distance
apart, and potential answers to this SDC question could be drawn from paired
points anywhere other than those crossings; the Grand Canyon examples already
posted may be among the more extreme cases...I found a useful Wiki page at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_crossings_of_the_Rio_Grande
but nothing similar for the Colorado....r
--
Me? Sarcastic?
Yeah, right.
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Charles Bishop
Sep 3, 2012, 12:32:36 AM9/3/12
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In article <k1tocd$o1i$1...@dont-email.me>, Curlytop
Can't look myself, but maybe something in Alaska? I wonder if theres
something along a river.
Oh, wait, At the Grand Canyon, there is a route from the south rim to the
north rim where a road trip is something like 40 miles.
--
charles
something along a river.
Oh, wait, At the Grand Canyon, there is a route from the south rim to the
north rim where a road trip is something like 40 miles.
--
charles
Charles Bishop
Sep 3, 2012, 12:39:06 AM9/3/12
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In article <aag9g2...@mid.individual.net>, Athel Cornish-Bowden
There is a bridge from San Rafael to Richmond(?) on the Berkeley side of
the bay where you don't pay a toll going from Marin to Richmond. Was that
not there when you needed to travel?
--
charles
the bay where you don't pay a toll going from Marin to Richmond. Was that
not there when you needed to travel?
--
charles
Adam Funk
Sep 3, 2012, 8:00:23 AM9/3/12
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On 2012-09-01, Vinny Burgoo wrote:
> In alt.usage.english, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>
>>Find two points on the same land mass in one of the industrialized
>>English-speaking countries, at least five miles (8 km) apart as the
>>crow flies, for which the length of the route recommended by Google
>>Maps exceeds that of the crow's route by the greatest ratio. The
>>sheep will go to the person who has found the points with the greatest
>>ratio when the competition ends.
>>
http://www.zefrank.com/sandwich/tool.html
--
War is God's way of teaching Americans geography.
[Ambrose Bierce]
> In alt.usage.english, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>
>>Find two points on the same land mass in one of the industrialized
>>English-speaking countries, at least five miles (8 km) apart as the
>>crow flies, for which the length of the route recommended by Google
>>Maps exceeds that of the crow's route by the greatest ratio. The
>>sheep will go to the person who has found the points with the greatest
>>ratio when the competition ends.
>>
>>There must be a route recommended by Google Maps; the absence of a
>>route does not count as infinite distance.
>>
>>The Totally Official industrialized English-speaking countries are
>>Australia, Canada, Ireland, New Zealand, South Africa, the UK, and the
>>US.
>
>>route does not count as infinite distance.
>>
>>The Totally Official industrialized English-speaking countries are
>>Australia, Canada, Ireland, New Zealand, South Africa, the UK, and the
>>US.
>
> Ooh, I could happily waste hours on this.
You might find the "Earth Sandwich" concept interesting too.
http://www.zefrank.com/sandwich/tool.html
--
War is God's way of teaching Americans geography.
[Ambrose Bierce]
bs
Sep 3, 2012, 12:41:38 PM9/3/12
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On Saturday, September 1, 2012 9:59:44 AM UTC-7, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> Find two points on the same land mass....
<snip>
From Kanawyers, California (on the South Fork of the Kings River), to the top of the Onion Valley Road west of Independence, California (near Mount Whitney), I get 353 mi./14 mi. (25:1).
Point A - http://goo.gl/maps/lzixG
(36.795278,-118.584722)
Point B - http://goo.gl/maps/gxzzz
(36.771978,-118.341168)
--
Bob Stahl
> Find two points on the same land mass....
<snip>
From Kanawyers, California (on the South Fork of the Kings River), to the top of the Onion Valley Road west of Independence, California (near Mount Whitney), I get 353 mi./14 mi. (25:1).
Point A - http://goo.gl/maps/lzixG
(36.795278,-118.584722)
Point B - http://goo.gl/maps/gxzzz
(36.771978,-118.341168)
--
Bob Stahl
Mark Brader
Sep 4, 2012, 1:57:26 AM9/4/12
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Charles Bishop:
--
Mark Brader, Toronto "Unjutsly malinged? I think not."
m...@vex.net -- Ross Howard
> Oh, wait, At the Grand Canyon, there is a route from the south rim to the
> north rim where a road trip is something like 40 miles.
Ahem!
> north rim where a road trip is something like 40 miles.
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Mark Brader, Toronto "Unjutsly malinged? I think not."
m...@vex.net -- Ross Howard
Mark Brader
Sep 4, 2012, 2:03:49 AM9/4/12
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"Lewis":
> I have this one which is a nice long route without anomalies.
>
> [Key West to Cancun]
>
> How do I get the crow distance? I am guessing it's about 400 miles? SO
> that's only about 8:1, but it's a very long 8:1.
Also, they aren't on the same land mass and they aren't both in
English-speaking countries. But yes, it is a very long 8:1.
(I make it 8.1:1, actually.)
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Mark Brader, Toronto | "We don't use clubs; they weren't invented here.
m...@vex.net | We use rocks." -- David Keldsen
> I have this one which is a nice long route without anomalies.
>
> [Key West to Cancun]
>
> How do I get the crow distance? I am guessing it's about 400 miles? SO
> that's only about 8:1, but it's a very long 8:1.
Also, they aren't on the same land mass and they aren't both in
English-speaking countries. But yes, it is a very long 8:1.
(I make it 8.1:1, actually.)
--
Mark Brader, Toronto | "We don't use clubs; they weren't invented here.
m...@vex.net | We use rocks." -- David Keldsen
Athel Cornish-Bowden
Sep 4, 2012, 2:59:47 AM9/4/12
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It was the most expensive bridge in the Bay Area (75c at a time when
the others were 25c).
--
athel
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Alan Curry
Sep 4, 2012, 5:28:20 AM9/4/12
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In article <slrnk4bfhg....@mbp55.local>,
Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>In message <e5idnX1vE5hYBNjN...@vex.net>
But you started on an island.
>
>> and they aren't both in
>> English-speaking countries.
>
>You've obviously never been to Cancun.
By a literal reading of the question, the chosen points are required to be in
*one* English-speaking country.
--
Alan Curry
Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>In message <e5idnX1vE5hYBNjN...@vex.net>
> Mark Brader <m...@vex.net> wrote:
>> "Lewis":
>>> I have this one which is a nice long route without anomalies.
>>>
>>> [Key West to Cancun]
>>>
>>> How do I get the crow distance? I am guessing it's about 400 miles? SO
>>> that's only about 8:1, but it's a very long 8:1.
>
>> Also, they aren't on the same land mass
>
>North America is a land mass!
>> "Lewis":
>>> I have this one which is a nice long route without anomalies.
>>>
>>> [Key West to Cancun]
>>>
>>> How do I get the crow distance? I am guessing it's about 400 miles? SO
>>> that's only about 8:1, but it's a very long 8:1.
>
>> Also, they aren't on the same land mass
>
But you started on an island.
>
>> and they aren't both in
>> English-speaking countries.
>
By a literal reading of the question, the chosen points are required to be in
*one* English-speaking country.
--
Alan Curry
Jerry Friedman
Sep 4, 2012, 9:53:25 AM9/4/12
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On Sep 4, 3:28 am, pac...@kosh.dhis.org (Alan Curry) wrote:
> In article <slrnk4bfhg.aga.g.kr...@mbp55.local>,
>
> Lewis <g.kr...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> >In message <e5idnX1vE5hYBNjNnZ2dnUVZ_tWdn...@vex.net>
of course, it's the White-crowned Pigeon distance.
> >>> I am guessing it's about 400 miles? SO
> >>> that's only about 8:1, but it's a very long 8:1.
>
> >> Also, they aren't on the same land mass
>
> >North America is a land mass!
>
> But you started on an island.
>
> >> and they aren't both in
> >> English-speaking countries.
>
> >You've obviously never been to Cancun.
>
> By a literal reading of the question, the chosen points are required to be in
> *one* English-speaking country.
I hereby waive any such requirement. However, the points are required
to be in the countries I named.
> In article <slrnk4bfhg.aga.g.kr...@mbp55.local>,
>
> Lewis <g.kr...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> >In message <e5idnX1vE5hYBNjNnZ2dnUVZ_tWdn...@vex.net>
> > Mark Brader <m...@vex.net> wrote:
> >> "Lewis":
> >>> I have this one which is a nice long route without anomalies.
>
> >>> [Key West to Cancun]
>
> >>> How do I get the crow distance?
Vinny explained it. You click on the "map labs" thing. In this case,
> >> "Lewis":
> >>> I have this one which is a nice long route without anomalies.
>
> >>> [Key West to Cancun]
>
> >>> How do I get the crow distance?
of course, it's the White-crowned Pigeon distance.
> >>> I am guessing it's about 400 miles? SO
> >>> that's only about 8:1, but it's a very long 8:1.
>
> >> Also, they aren't on the same land mass
>
> >North America is a land mass!
>
> But you started on an island.
>
> >> and they aren't both in
> >> English-speaking countries.
>
> >You've obviously never been to Cancun.
>
> By a literal reading of the question, the chosen points are required to be in
> *one* English-speaking country.
to be in the countries I named.
Skitt
Sep 4, 2012, 1:38:17 PM9/4/12
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Lewis wrote:
> I have this one which is a nice long route without anomalies.
>
> <http://goo.gl/maps/dL5ED>
> I have this one which is a nice long route without anomalies.
>
>
> How do I get the crow distance? I am guessing it's about 400 miles? SO
> that's only about 8:1, but it's a very long 8:1.
See:
http://www.freemaptools.com/how-far-is-it-between.htm
for crow-fly distances.
[For Key West to Cancun]
Your estimate is pretty good, though. The distance is listed as being
396.621 miles.
--
Skitt (SF Bay Area)
http://come.to/skitt
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Jerry Friedman
Sep 4, 2012, 2:35:50 PM9/4/12