Schooner
the Omrud
"schooner". I see from today's news that there is a move to introduce a
2/3 pint (Imperial) measure for beer in pubs. The article mentions that
this measure is "known as a schooner in Australia".
I don't remember any Aus members saying anything about the volume of the
glass; we seemed to be discussing the shape.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/article5003717.ece
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David
John Holmes
The subject header was Re:Pay Grade????. On 17 Sept in reply to John
Varela, I wrote:
[quote]
John Varela wrote:
>
> It is, however, somewhat to my surprise, clear that there are other
> forms of drinking vessels that are called schooners.
In the parts of Australia where the term schooner is used it indicates a
size rather than a shape.
[end]
In NSW a schooner meant 15 fl. oz. (3/4 pint) in pre-metric times. I'm
not sure what the metric equivalent is now.
The glasses are usually shaped similarly to those shown at:
http://www.australianbeers.com/pubs/ordering/ordering.htm
(but the information about sizes there is a bit confused).
I haven't seen a schooner glass with a stem like the American ones
mentioned in the earlier thread. Glasses like that certainly exist, but
I would call them goblets or rummers. I haven't seen them used for beer.
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Will
> There was recently a discussion here about the beer glass called a
> "schooner". I see from today's news that there is a move to introduce a
> 2/3 pint (Imperial) measure for beer in pubs. The article mentions that
> this measure is "known as a schooner in Australia".
Apparently this will result in the promulgation of the neologism "a
twother".
Will.
the Omrud
> the Omrud wrote:
>> There was recently a discussion here about the beer glass called a
>> "schooner". I see from today's news that there is a move to
>> introduce a 2/3 pint (Imperial) measure for beer in pubs. The
>> article mentions that this measure is "known as a schooner in
>> Australia".
>> I don't remember any Aus members saying anything about the volume of
>> the glass; we seemed to be discussing the shape.
>>
>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/article5003717.ece
>
> The subject header was Re:Pay Grade????. On 17 Sept in reply to John
> Varela, I wrote:
> [quote]
> John Varela wrote:
>>
>> It is, however, somewhat to my surprise, clear that there are other
>> forms of drinking vessels that are called schooners.
>
> In the parts of Australia where the term schooner is used it indicates a
> size rather than a shape.
> [end]
Right, thanks; I must have missed that one.
The proposed UK measure is being reported as having the bizarre name
"twother".
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David
HVS
Not that bizarre, really -- portmanteau-ish for "two-thirder".
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Cheers, Harvey
CanEng and BrEng, indiscriminately mixed
John Holmes
>
> I haven't seen a schooner glass with a stem like the American ones
> mentioned in the earlier thread. Glasses like that certainly exist,
> but I would call them goblets or rummers. I haven't seen them used
> for beer.
And here are some pictures of rummers:
http://www.antique-glass.co.uk/Rummers.htm
the Omrud
tinwhistler
>
> --
> David
Last year I posted on a new Oz word, SCHMIDDIE, a beer glass at the
mid-point in size between a MIDDIE and a SCHOONER; see http://tinyurl.com/5ngcz3
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Mark Brader
>> There was recently a discussion here about the beer glass called
>> a "schooner". I see from today's news that there is a move to
>> introduce a 2/3 pint (Imperial) measure for beer in pubs. The
>> article mentions that this measure is "known as a schooner in
>> Australia".
John Holmes:
> In NSW a schooner meant 15 fl. oz. (3/4 pint) in pre-metric times.
> I'm not sure what the metric equivalent is now.
Russ Rowlett's site has:
schooner
an informal unit of liquid volume. A schooner is a large
tumbler or drinking glass holding about 400 milliliters or 13.5
U.S. fluid ounces. Similarly, in Queensland, New South Wales,
and the Northern Territory (Australia) a schooner of beer holds
425 milliliters. In South Australia, however, a schooner is
only 285 milliliters.
The 15-ounce schooner mentioned by John conforms closely to this:
a more exact metric equivalent would be 426.20 ml. But the 2/3 pint
size mentioned by John would be 378.84 ml. I'll forward this thread
to Russ.
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Toronto in the States, unless you count the increasing
m...@vex.net popularity of the 9 mm bullet." -- Dave Barry
My text in this article is in the public domain.
tinwhistler
When I clicked on my link I got the intended thread, but I was
embarrassed to read that it had to do with the new Oz word SCHMIDDY.
Oops, sorry!
John Dean
> "David":
>>> There was recently a discussion here about the beer glass called
>>> a "schooner". I see from today's news that there is a move to
>>> introduce a 2/3 pint (Imperial) measure for beer in pubs. The
>>> article mentions that this measure is "known as a schooner in
>>> Australia".
>
> John Holmes:
>> In NSW a schooner meant 15 fl. oz. (3/4 pint) in pre-metric times.
>> I'm not sure what the metric equivalent is now.
>
> Russ Rowlett's site has:
>
> schooner
> an informal unit of liquid volume. A schooner is a large
> tumbler or drinking glass holding about 400 milliliters or 13.5
> U.S. fluid ounces. Similarly, in Queensland, New South Wales,
> and the Northern Territory (Australia) a schooner of beer holds
> 425 milliliters. In South Australia, however, a schooner is
> only 285 milliliters.
>
> The 15-ounce schooner mentioned by John conforms closely to this:
> a more exact metric equivalent would be 426.20 ml. But the 2/3 pint
> size mentioned by John would be 378.84 ml. I'll forward this thread
> to Russ.
Don't forget to remind him (I'm sure we raised this here) that a UK schooner
may also be a large sherry glass or the measure of the contents thereof -
around 3 1/2 fl.oz per an OED cite from Habitat, around 6-8 fl.oz. per
Dent's Dic of Measurement. I remember them being available in the pubs of
Bristol back in the 60s and I'm sure they still are. From memory, I'd say
OED was nearer the mark.
--
John Dean
Oxford
Stupot
beer is commonly purchased in Schooners or Middies, in other states
there are Pots and Pints (which aren't actually pints, I believe).
In NSW a schooner glass contains 425 ml, and from memory, a middie glass
contains 285 ml. Both roughly resemble the glasses found in UK pubs, but
lack the small bulge near the rim. (The thing that's meant to prevent
cross-glass spittle transfer).
Here's a schooner glass (hard to see size without a scale, and they
normally lack any label on them).
http://winegifts.china-supplier.net/winegiftssmallimages/winegifts_200771113271.jpg
Old timers in NSW would have purchased 'ponies' that are smaller again
than middies - but I have never actually heard a pony being ordered -
perhaps the practice is dead.
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Stupot
served in pretentious venues where they are sold for at least than the
price of a schooner in more downmarket establishments.
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grusl
"Stupot" <ten.no.e...@nampahc.trauts> wrote in message
news:0112ca9c$0$20638$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
> the Omrud wrote:
>> There was recently a discussion here about the beer glass called a
>> "schooner". I see from today's news that there is a move to introduce a
>> 2/3 pint (Imperial) measure for beer in pubs. The article mentions that
>> this measure is "known as a schooner in Australia".
>>
>> I don't remember any Aus members saying anything about the volume of the
>> glass; we seemed to be discussing the shape.
>>
>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/article5003717.ece
> This is an Australian state thing. For example in NSW (where I live), beer
> is commonly purchased in Schooners or Middies, in other states there are
> Pots and Pints (which aren't actually pints, I believe).
>
Glasses and pots, when I lived in Victoria (up to 1987). A glass was 7 fl.
oz. and a pot 10 fl. oz.
Cheers,
George W Russell
Bangalore
Mike Lyle
When they were talking about it on telly, I thought they were saying
"twoser" or "twozer", rhyming with "boozer". Was I mishearing? Or is
there already lexical variation?
--
Mike.
John Varela
(in article <4901b155$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>):
> The subject header was Re:Pay Grade????. On 17 Sept in reply to John
> Varela, I wrote:
> [quote]
> John Varela wrote:
>>
>> It is, however, somewhat to my surprise, clear that there are other
>> forms of drinking vessels that are called schooners.
>
> In the parts of Australia where the term schooner is used it indicates a
> size rather than a shape.
> [end]
I encountered the term "schooner" in the late 1950s in Dallas, Texas,
where it was the common beer glass. I took "schooner" to refer to the
style of glass when it may well have meant the capacity. That shape of
glass is the only kind of schooner I have ever encountered, but that
thread made clear that there are other glasses that go by that name.
--
John Varela
Trade NEW lamps for OLD for email.
John Varela
(in article <aMWdnWDbMsGCtZ_U...@vex.net>):
> The 15-ounce schooner mentioned by John conforms closely to this:
Actually, my schooners hold 16 fluid ounces with meniscus. When beer
is poured with a head the glass comfortably holds 12 ounces, which is
the standard bottle of beer in the US.
Richard Bollard
I'm sure I commented on the volume. There is some variation between
states but most of the time, a schooner holds roughly the same amount
as a stubbie or can, 375 ml or 15floz. You cannot get this measure in
Victoria, they default to the "pot", which is smaller (10floz or half
a pint). This measure is called a "middy" in NSW/ACT.
South Oz is a whole nuther place. They call a middy a "pint". Weird
mob.
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Richard Bollard
Canberra Australia
To email, I'm at AMT not spAMT.
Richard Bollard
wrote:
>the Omrud wrote:
>> There was recently a discussion here about the beer glass called a
>> "schooner". I see from today's news that there is a move to
>> introduce a 2/3 pint (Imperial) measure for beer in pubs. The
>> article mentions that this measure is "known as a schooner in
>> Australia".
>> I don't remember any Aus members saying anything about the volume of
>> the glass; we seemed to be discussing the shape.
>>
>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/article5003717.ece
>
>The subject header was Re:Pay Grade????. On 17 Sept in reply to John
>Varela, I wrote:
>[quote]
>John Varela wrote:
>>
>> It is, however, somewhat to my surprise, clear that there are other
>> forms of drinking vessels that are called schooners.
>
>In the parts of Australia where the term schooner is used it indicates a
>size rather than a shape.
>[end]
>
>In NSW a schooner meant 15 fl. oz. (3/4 pint) in pre-metric times. I'm
>not sure what the metric equivalent is now.
>The glasses are usually shaped similarly to those shown at:
>http://www.australianbeers.com/pubs/ordering/ordering.htm
>(but the information about sizes there is a bit confused).
>
A pretty good summary actually, particularly the comments and the
table. The information seems accurate to me and the confusion reflects
reality.
I also note that the real measure of a schooner is 425ml not 375ml,
but given the extra head you usually get from a tap, you probably get
the same amount of actual drinking out of a schooner and stubbie.
Richard Bollard
A word that seems to have sunk without trace. The smaller glasses (and
smaller stubbies) are around but the terminology didn't catch.
Richard Bollard
I have heard someone order a "seven" in the ACT (a long time ago and
he was an old timer then). This may have been NSW usage for "glass",
which I have also heard used in Victoria.
(The ACT, where I live and grew up, is a bit of a usage melting pot as
it is geographically in NSW but a significant number of its formative
population came from Victoria. So Victorian and NSW terms can be found
in common use here along with a smattering of terms from other
states.)
John Holmes
The size didn't catch on either in some places, at least for the
stubbies. Cascade was forced to go back to 375 ml after their sales
plummeted 50% when they changed to 330 ml.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/10/28/2403849.htm
John Holmes
>
> Old timers in NSW would have purchased 'ponies' that are smaller again
> than middies - but I have never actually heard a pony being ordered -
> perhaps the practice is dead.
A pony was 5 fl oz, and I think the term was the same in most states.
But they were always rare, the typical pony drinker being an elderly
pensioner who could make one last for hours while he sat in the pub
studying the form guide.
I'm told that in Glasgow a pony meant a small beer served as a
complimentary chaser with a whisky, so perhaps that's the origin of our
term.
Robert Bannister
> A pony was 5 fl oz, and I think the term was the same in most states.
> But they were always rare, the typical pony drinker being an elderly
> pensioner who could make one last for hours while he sat in the pub
> studying the form guide.
When I first came to Australia (early 1972), the pony appeared to be the
glass of choice in Western Australia. It was explained to me that
anything larger would get too hot before it was finished. This remained
the case up to at least the 90s when the middy took over among younger
people and serious drinkers. At that time, the 10, 15 and 20 oz glasses
were never popular and few pubs stocks all sizes. Today, the "pint" (400
ml) glass seems to have won out.
--
Rob Bannister
John Varela
(in article <4908...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>):
> Stupot wrote:
>>
>> Old timers in NSW would have purchased 'ponies' that are smaller again
>> than middies - but I have never actually heard a pony being ordered -
>> perhaps the practice is dead.
>
> A pony was 5 fl oz, and I think the term was the same in most states.
> But they were always rare, the typical pony drinker being an elderly
> pensioner who could make one last for hours while he sat in the pub
> studying the form guide.
Over here a pony is usually 7 ounces.
musika
Over here it's 25 quid.
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Ray
UK
John Varela
(in article <QU7Ok.79615$E41....@text.news.virginmedia.com>):
OK, if I'm not mistaken, a quid is a pound sterling, or maybe
(according to the OED) a sovereign or a quinea, whatever those are. In
any case, 25 of them are more money than one would pay for a glass of
beer, but less than one would pay for a small horse, so all I can reply
to you is that you've whooshed me.
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
A "pony" (BrE) is a sum of money: 25 pounds sterling.
The word is used in the context of betting, particularly on horse races.
A "monkey" is 500 pounds sterling.
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
John Varela
(in article <a13kg4hole9kitqo8...@4ax.com>):
Thank you. Who'd've guessed? Do enough people over there so routinely
bet 500 pounds on a horse that a special name is needed?
ObAUE: Parse that last sentence. Did I need the "so"?
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
Apparently.
>ObAUE: Parse that last sentence. Did I need the "so"?
You so do! "so routinely" means something like "sufficiently often".
"routinely" on its own would not mean the same.
CDB
> On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:19:21 -0400, John Varela
> <OLDl...@verizon.net> wrote:
[500-pound monkeys]
>> Thank you. Who'd've guessed? Do enough people over there so
>> routinely bet 500 pounds on a horse that a special name is needed?
> Apparently.
>> ObAUE: Parse that last sentence. Did I need the "so"?
> You so do! "so routinely" means something like "sufficiently often".
> "routinely" on its own would not mean the same.
Yes, or you can look at it in terms of the pair "so...that".