[ The Opening of Misty Beethoven ] --- meaning of the title

[Hen Hanna]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Opening_of_Misty_Beethoven

The Opening of Misty Beethoven is an American adult pornographic film released in 1976. It was produced with a relatively high budget and filmed on elaborate locations in Paris, New York City and Rome with a musical score, and owes much to its fastidious director Radley Metzger (directing this film as "Henry Paris").


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075018/trivia

> Among the earlier titles for this film were
"The Tales of Misty Beethoven" and
"The Coming of Misty Beethoven."

> Shot and edited under the title "Society."



I've been wondering about the title for a long time.

[ The Opening of (a person) ]
-- does this mean [Coming of age of ...], etc ?

Is there an allusion to a Brit. classic novel,
or something like that? HH

_______________________

p.s.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/roll_over
I can't find the right meaning here
for [Roll over Beethoven]

ok, I guess it just means
[get out of the way]

I'm gonna write a little letter,
Gonna mail it to my local DJ
It's a rockin' rhythm record
I want my jockey to play
Roll over Beethoven, I gotta hear it again today

[Pavel Svinchnik]

When rock and roll was new, many people were very critical. A typical remark was, "If Beethoven could hear that stuff, he'd roll over in his grave." I've heard similar remarks where a long-dead author, painter, etc., would roll over in his grave if he saw the stuff they were writing, painting, etc., today.


Paul

[Jerry Friedman]

On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 8:35:55 PM UTC-5, Hen Hanna wrote:

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Opening_of_Misty_Beethoven
>
> The Opening of Misty Beethoven is an American adult pornographic film released in 1976. It was produced with a relatively high budget and filmed on elaborate locations in Paris, New York City and Rome with a musical score, and owes much to its fastidious director Radley Metzger (directing this film as "Henry Paris").
>
>
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075018/trivia
>
> > Among the earlier titles for this film were
> "The Tales of Misty Beethoven" and
> "The Coming of Misty Beethoven."
>
> > Shot and edited under the title "Society."
>
>
>
> I've been wondering about the title for a long time.
>
> [ The Opening of (a person) ]
> -- does this mean [Coming of age of ...], etc ?
>
> Is there an allusion to a Brit. classic novel,
> or something like that? HH

It's a porn movie, which I saw at a bachelor party, really, Your
Honor. The opening is Misty's becoming emotionally open to sex,
with a suggestion of becoming physically open to it.

> _______________________
>
> p.s.
> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/roll_over
> I can't find the right meaning here
> for [Roll over Beethoven]
>
> ok, I guess it just means
> [get out of the way]
>
> I'm gonna write a little letter,
> Gonna mail it to my local DJ
> It's a rockin' rhythm record
> I want my jockey to play
> Roll over Beethoven, I gotta hear it again today

Though Beethoven might have hated rockin' rhythm records, as Pavel
Svinchnik explained, Chuck Berry defiantly suggested they were better
and he didn't care how Beethoven would have felt.

A lot of jazz and rock musicians have expressed respect for classical
music, sometimes in the sincerest way, by stealing it. The late Mr.
Berry's feelings seem to have been different. See also "Rock and
Roll Music".

--
Jerry Friedman

[Rich Ulrich]

On Wed, 3 Jan 2018 19:52:42 -0800 (PST), Jerry Friedman
<jerry_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 8:35:55 PM UTC-5, Hen Hanna wrote:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Opening_of_Misty_Beethoven
>>
>> The Opening of Misty Beethoven is an American adult pornographic film released in 1976. It was produced with a relatively high budget and filmed on elaborate locations in Paris, New York City and Rome with a musical score, and owes much to its fastidious director Radley Metzger (directing this film as "Henry Paris").
>>
>>
>> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075018/trivia
>>
>> > Among the earlier titles for this film were
>> "The Tales of Misty Beethoven" and
>> "The Coming of Misty Beethoven."
>>
>> > Shot and edited under the title "Society."
>>
>>
>>
>> I've been wondering about the title for a long time.
>>
>> [ The Opening of (a person) ]
>> -- does this mean [Coming of age of ...], etc ?
>>
>> Is there an allusion to a Brit. classic novel,
>> or something like that? HH
>
>It's a porn movie, which I saw at a bachelor party, really, Your
>Honor. The opening is Misty's becoming emotionally open to sex,
>with a suggestion of becoming physically open to it.

The suggestion of becoming physically open is for the viewer
has not seen the movie. Misty is a beautiful but frigid prostitute
at the start.

--
Rich Ulrich

[Jerry Friedman]

That sounds right.

--
Jerry Friedman

[Don P]

On 03/01/2018 8:35 PM, Hen Hanna wrote:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Opening_of_Misty_Beethoven
>
> The Opening of Misty Beethoven is an American adult pornographic film released in 1976.

> . . .
> I've been wondering about the title for a long time. . . .

> Is there an allusion to a Brit. classic novel,
> or something like that? HH

No: nothing in classic literature suggests this title.
In any case, like personal names, titles of books and movies have no
necessary meanings, and no rules or guidelines govern them: people can
name movies or other creations anything they like.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

On 2018-01-04 16:08:07 +0000, Jerry Friedman said:

> On Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 3:12:44 AM UTC-5, Rich Ulrich wrote:
>> On Wed, 3 Jan 2018 19:52:42 -0800 (PST), Jerry Friedman

[ ... ]

>>>
>>> It's a porn movie, which I saw at a bachelor party, really, Your
>>> Honor. The opening is Misty's becoming emotionally open to sex,
>>> with a suggestion of becoming physically open to it.
>>
>> The suggestion of becoming physically open is for the viewer
>> has not seen the movie. Misty is a beautiful but frigid prostitute
>> at the start.
> That sounds right.

Crossthread alert! I'd not heard of this film before, but the Wikipedia
article about it shows that "whom" abnd "he" as predicate after "is"
are still alive: "While he tries to prepare her to seduce a gay male
artist (Casey Donovan), it is he for whom she develops feelings."


--
athel

[Madrigal Gurneyhalt]

Sorry, but is this supposed to be news? It was stated in the thread
in question (the second post if I recall correctly) that the use of
'whom' after a preposition was still general usage. The use of 'he'
here may be 'correct' (although even that is questionable) but it is
decidedly inelegant. For whom does she develop feelings? He?
Really?

[RH Draney]

On 1/4/2018 9:20 AM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>
> Crossthread alert! I'd not heard of this film before, but the Wikipedia
> article about it shows that "whom" abnd "he" as predicate after "is" are
> still alive: "While he tries to prepare her to seduce a gay male artist
> (Casey Donovan), it is he for whom she develops feelings."

Here's my clairvoyant interpretation: the original said "it is him who
she develops feelings for", and someone with a hatred of prepositions to
end sentences felt compelled to "correct" it....

(BTW, the plot of TOOMB is nothing more or less than "Pygmalion" or
"Gigi" with nekkid bits)....r

[Mack A. Damia]

Musical version includes "I could have hummed all night".

[Peter T. Daniels]

"It is he" is correct. The case of a pronoun is determined by the clause it's
in: "it is he" ("predicate nominative" after copula"); "she develops feelings
for him" (object of preposition, replaced by relative pronoun when fronted).

[Will Parsons]

On Thursday, 4 Jan 2018 12:21 PM -0500, RH Draney wrote:
> On 1/4/2018 9:20 AM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>
>> Crossthread alert! I'd not heard of this film before, but the Wikipedia
>> article about it shows that "whom" abnd "he" as predicate after "is" are
>> still alive: "While he tries to prepare her to seduce a gay male artist
>> (Casey Donovan), it is he for whom she develops feelings."
>
> Here's my clairvoyant interpretation: the original said "it is him who
> she develops feelings for", and someone with a hatred of prepositions to
> end sentences felt compelled to "correct" it....

Surely it doesn't matter either way, "he" is correct according to

traditional English grammar rules whether one says:

"it is he for whom she develops feelings"

or
"it is he who she develops feelings for"

"He" serves as the complement to "is" in both cases.

--
Will

[Peter T. Daniels]

"It is he that ..." feels better when the preposition didn't tag along with
the relative pronoun.

[Hen Hanna]

Typical bad style of WP. the S is better written as:

"After he schemes to prepare her to seduce
a gay male artist (Casey Donovan), it is she ...



I thought [abnd] was an AUE-jargon or something.
but [abnd] must be a typo for [and]

Athel's S is better written as:

... shows that the "is he for whom" combination is still alive:

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thanks for the comments, esp. the relevant and interesting ones.

> Musical version includes "I could have hummed all night".

that's good.

[... and stays remains mainly on the groin.]

HH

[Hen Hanna]

On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 7:33:16 PM UTC-8, Pavel Svinchnik wrote:

> >
> > p.s.
> > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/roll_over
> > I can't find the right meaning here
> > for [Roll over Beethoven]
> >
> > ok, I guess it just means
> > [get out of the way]
> >
> > I'm gonna write a little letter,
> > Gonna mail it to my local DJ
> > It's a rockin' rhythm record
> > I want my jockey to play
> > Roll over Beethoven, I gotta hear it again today
>

> When rock and roll was new, many people were very critical. A typical remark was, "If Beethoven could hear that stuff, he'd roll over in his grave." I've heard similar remarks where a long-dead author, painter, etc., would roll over in his grave if he saw the stuff they were writing, painting, etc., today.
>
>
> Paul

thanks so much.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roll_Over_Beethoven

in the Beatles ver.,
I think it's mostly Lennon who's doing the singing.


Do I assume correctly that he's (they're) pronouncing
"Beethoven"
in a special way, imitating German pronunciation ?

(whch gives it additional cheeky-ness) HH

[Pavel Svinchnik]

I think that if Beethoven were alive today, he'd say, "Get me out of this box! Hey! Somebody! Get a shovel or something!"

Paul

[RH Draney]

ObYouKnewThisWasComing:

Q: What's Beethoven doing right now?
A: Decomposing.

....r

[musika]

On 06/01/2018 00:52, RH Draney wrote:
> ObYouKnewThisWasComing:
>
>   Q:  What's Beethoven doing right now?
>   A:  Decomposing.
>

As is his last movement.


--
Ray
UK

[Pavel Svinchnik]

When I used to drive from Baltimore to Cleveland, the trip took just long enough to play all nine Beethoven symphonies. I'd play them in order, 1 through 9, on the drive to Cleveland, then "decompose" on the way home, playing in reverse order from 9 through 1.

Paul