On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 9:13:11 AM UTC-6, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
> Jerry Friedman <
jerry_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > When using a name like "Max", does the possessive get an "s" or not in
> > > American English?
>
> > Not not not not not.
I meant "Yes yes yes yes yes." Oops.
> > Okay, I'm calmer now. Actually, some people do it. There's a much
> > wider range of practices (and range of things people are taught in
> > school) on this point than on any other aspect of spelling. You could
> > also have asked about "Chris", "Jones", "Martinez", and "children".
> > I've even seen "Bush" with the plain apostrophe.
>
> > I use the plain apostrophe only for plural nouns ending in "s" and, in
> > deference to tradition, for ancient names of Greek or Latin form
> > (Socrates', Marius', Jesus'). I don't know what the style guides say.
>
> I'm confused now. Are we talking morphology or spelling?
Spelling, as PTD said.
> Is it
> (1) /'m&ks@z dAg/ or
> (2) /m&ks dAg/
> ?
>
> I would think it obvious that the corresponding spellings are
> (1') Max's dog
> (2') Max' dog
>
> If you add an extra sound (/z/, /s/, /@z/) to the pronunciation,
> you add "'s" to the spelling. Otherwise it's just an apostrophe.
>
> Are people trying to make this more complicated?
No, there's a difference between pronunciation and spelling. Plenty of
people pronounce "going" as something like /'goU@n/, and the spelling
that goes with that is well known to be "goin'", but in formal
contexts they still write "going". Likewise people who have beliefs
about the correct spelling of the possessive of "Max" will spell it that
way regardless of how they pronounce it.
On the other hand, there are probably people whose beliefs about the
correct pronunciation come from the rule they've adopted about the
spelling. I'm pretty close to that. However, I say /'dZiz@s@z/ but
write "Jesus'".
> (I don't think (2) is acceptable, so the spelling comes out as (1'),
> but I'm prepared to be surprised.)
Some people do say (2). I suspect there are far more people who pronounce
the genitive (equal time) the same as the plain case when it ends in /z/.
> PS: Please, let's not fight over /dAg/ vs. /dOg/ and /@z/ vs. /Iz/
> now.
OK.
--
Jerry Friedman