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Charles Bishop
Mar 27, 2015, 8:35:31 PM3/27/15
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In another newsfroup, I used "hie", as in:
> Sis has hied off for warmer (and that's saying something) climes.
>
> Obaue "hared off" or "hied ______?"
I asked the question above there, and didn't receive much in the way of
responses, except for one.
So, is "hied off" acceptable? It looks (sounds) odd, but I cannot put my
finger on why.
"hared off" I'd accept, and the one response I got mentioned that there
is an element of speed for this, whereas "hied, or hie" can be slower.
Thoughts?
--
charles
> Sis has hied off for warmer (and that's saying something) climes.
>
> Obaue "hared off" or "hied ______?"
I asked the question above there, and didn't receive much in the way of
responses, except for one.
So, is "hied off" acceptable? It looks (sounds) odd, but I cannot put my
finger on why.
"hared off" I'd accept, and the one response I got mentioned that there
is an element of speed for this, whereas "hied, or hie" can be slower.
Thoughts?
--
charles
Tony Cooper
Mar 27, 2015, 9:02:12 PM3/27/15
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because he wanted to. "Hared off" means he took off for some reason
as a form of escape from something.
"The cold was getting to him in the Midwest, so he hied off to a
warmer clime.
His creditors were closing in, so he hared off to Mexico.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando FL
Richard Tobin
Mar 27, 2015, 10:00:04 PM3/27/15
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In article <ctbishop-7C5A75...@news.individual.net>,
archaic or odd? I think it's just odd because it appears in an
obviously modern context. It's like using "wend".
>"hared off" I'd accept, and the one response I got mentioned that there
>is an element of speed for this, whereas "hied, or hie" can be slower.
According to the OED, speed or exertion was an implication of "hie"
from the start.
-- Richard
Charles Bishop <ctbi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Sis has hied off for warmer (and that's saying something) climes.
>> Sis has hied off for warmer (and that's saying something) climes.
>So, is "hied off" acceptable? It looks (sounds) odd, but I cannot put my
>finger on why.
Is there any use of "hie" that doesn't look either deliberately
>finger on why.
archaic or odd? I think it's just odd because it appears in an
obviously modern context. It's like using "wend".
>"hared off" I'd accept, and the one response I got mentioned that there
>is an element of speed for this, whereas "hied, or hie" can be slower.
from the start.
-- Richard
Peter T. Daniels
Mar 27, 2015, 11:41:13 PM3/27/15
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On Friday, March 27, 2015 at 10:00:04 PM UTC-4, Richard Tobin wrote:
> In article <ctbishop-7C5A75...@news.individual.net>,
> Charles Bishop <ctbi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> Sis has hied off for warmer (and that's saying something) climes.
> >So, is "hied off" acceptable? It looks (sounds) odd, but I cannot put my
> >finger on why.
>
> Is there any use of "hie" that doesn't look either deliberately
> archaic or odd? I think it's just odd because it appears in an
> obviously modern context. It's like using "wend".
"Hie" is a crossword puzzle word clued as 'hurry' and the like.
> In article <ctbishop-7C5A75...@news.individual.net>,
> Charles Bishop <ctbi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> Sis has hied off for warmer (and that's saying something) climes.
> >So, is "hied off" acceptable? It looks (sounds) odd, but I cannot put my
> >finger on why.
>
> Is there any use of "hie" that doesn't look either deliberately
> archaic or odd? I think it's just odd because it appears in an
> obviously modern context. It's like using "wend".
Helen Lacedaemonian
Mar 28, 2015, 12:23:32 AM3/28/15
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On Friday, March 27, 2015 at 7:00:04 PM UTC-7, Richard Tobin wrote:
> In article <ctbishop-7C5A75...@news.individual.net>,
> Charles Bishop <ctbi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >> Sis has hied off for warmer (and that's saying something) climes.
>
> >So, is "hied off" acceptable? It looks (sounds) odd, but I cannot put my
> >finger on why.
Looks good to me.
> In article <ctbishop-7C5A75...@news.individual.net>,
> Charles Bishop <ctbi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >> Sis has hied off for warmer (and that's saying something) climes.
>
> >So, is "hied off" acceptable? It looks (sounds) odd, but I cannot put my
> >finger on why.
>
> Is there any use of "hie" that doesn't look either deliberately
> archaic or odd? I think it's just odd because it appears in an
> obviously modern context. It's like using "wend".
Best.
Helen
Charles Bishop
Mar 28, 2015, 1:21:40 AM3/28/15
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In article <18vbhal6r1md0dc9c...@4ax.com>,
That may be the distinction that was niggling at me - thanks.
--
charles
--
charles
Katy Jennison
Mar 28, 2015, 1:35:12 AM3/28/15
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has hied her to ..." instead.
--
Katy Jennison
Athel Cornish-Bowden
Mar 28, 2015, 6:21:43 AM3/28/15
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requires a pronoun object (so I don't think one can just "hie" or "hie
off") but this pronoun is the simple accusative rather than a
reflexive, not, therefore, "*Sis has hied herself to …". I can't think
of any everyday verbs that behave like that in modern English.
--
athel
Richard Tobin
Mar 28, 2015, 6:50:05 AM3/28/15
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In article <cnndlc...@mid.individual.net>,
was often used without an object.
-- Richard
Athel Cornish-Bowden <acor...@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:
>As illustrated by your example, "hie" is unusual in that it not only
>requires a pronoun object (so I don't think one can just "hie" or "hie
>off")
It's hard to say what the current usage is, but in the past it
>As illustrated by your example, "hie" is unusual in that it not only
>requires a pronoun object (so I don't think one can just "hie" or "hie
>off")
was often used without an object.
-- Richard
CDB
Mar 28, 2015, 8:32:37 AM3/28/15
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On 28/03/2015 6:21 AM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
US Dictionaries at OneLook have plenty of examples of the intransitive
use. I feel the need for a direct object too, but I would use the
reflexive pronoun without hesitation if I used the verb seriously: "She
hied herself off to Reno."
I think the yen for an old-fashioned object comes from the generally
archaic nature of the word. Most real examples we have in mind are from
the days when reflexive pronouns did not necessarily end in "-self". I
said "if I used the verb seriously" just now, because its use is very
much restricted. I wouldn't use it unless I was being jocular or
disapproving (as in the Reno example), and a spirit of jocularity would
probably encourage "hied her".
use. I feel the need for a direct object too, but I would use the
reflexive pronoun without hesitation if I used the verb seriously: "She
hied herself off to Reno."
I think the yen for an old-fashioned object comes from the generally
archaic nature of the word. Most real examples we have in mind are from
the days when reflexive pronouns did not necessarily end in "-self". I
said "if I used the verb seriously" just now, because its use is very
much restricted. I wouldn't use it unless I was being jocular or
disapproving (as in the Reno example), and a spirit of jocularity would
probably encourage "hied her".
Janet
Mar 28, 2015, 9:52:14 AM3/28/15
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In article <mf51pd$tc3$4...@macpro.inf.ed.ac.uk>, ric...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk
says...
their leave might say "It's getting late, I'd better hie me home."
Janet.
says...
>
> In article <ctbishop-7C5A75...@news.individual.net>,
> Charles Bishop <ctbi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >> Sis has hied off for warmer (and that's saying something) climes.
>
> >So, is "hied off" acceptable? It looks (sounds) odd, but I cannot put my
> >finger on why.
>
> Is there any use of "hie" that doesn't look either deliberately
> archaic or odd?
It still turns up occasionally in West Scotland, where someone taking
> In article <ctbishop-7C5A75...@news.individual.net>,
> Charles Bishop <ctbi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >> Sis has hied off for warmer (and that's saying something) climes.
>
> >So, is "hied off" acceptable? It looks (sounds) odd, but I cannot put my
> >finger on why.
>
> Is there any use of "hie" that doesn't look either deliberately
> archaic or odd?
their leave might say "It's getting late, I'd better hie me home."
Janet.
Charles Bishop
Mar 28, 2015, 10:03:26 AM3/28/15
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In article <mf5eid$k8q$1...@news.albasani.net>,
Rem acu tetigisti.
But, perhaps "Sis has hied herself to. . ." If not, I'll eliminate the
"off".
--
charles
But, perhaps "Sis has hied herself to. . ." If not, I'll eliminate the
"off".
--
charles
Stan Brown
Mar 28, 2015, 12:15:34 PM3/28/15
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On Fri, 27 Mar 2015 17:35:26 -0700, Charles Bishop wrote:
> In another newsfroup, I used "hie", as in:
>
> > Sis has hied off for warmer (and that's saying something) climes.
> >
> > Obaue "hared off" or "hied ______?"
>
> I asked the question above there, and didn't receive much in the way of
> responses, except for one.
>
> So, is "hied off" acceptable? It looks (sounds) odd, but I cannot put my
> finger on why.
Well, it's archaic if not actually obsolete.
> In another newsfroup, I used "hie", as in:
>
> > Sis has hied off for warmer (and that's saying something) climes.
> >
> > Obaue "hared off" or "hied ______?"
>
> I asked the question above there, and didn't receive much in the way of
> responses, except for one.
>
> So, is "hied off" acceptable? It looks (sounds) odd, but I cannot put my
> finger on why.
But doesn't one hie to a place, rather than from, and reflexively at
that? "Sis has hied herself to warmer. ..."
--
"The difference between the /almost right/ word and the /right/ word
is ... the difference between the lightning-bug and the lightning."
--Mark Twain
Stan Brown, Tompkins County, NY, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com
Stan Brown
Mar 28, 2015, 12:18:33 PM3/28/15
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On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 05:35:11 +0000, Katy Jennison wrote:
>
> What looks slightly odd to me isn't "hied" but "off". I'd go for "Sis
> has hied her to ..." instead.
I just suggested "has hied herself to". I think "hied her" might
>
> What looks slightly odd to me isn't "hied" but "off". I'd go for "Sis
> has hied her to ..." instead.
actually be better. But how does "her" parse in that sentence, or is
it just a special one-off use of the reflexive pronoun without "-
self"?
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Peter Duncanson [BrE]
Mar 28, 2015, 12:20:33 PM3/28/15
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On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 08:31:54 -0400, CDB <belle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 28/03/2015 6:21 AM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>> Katy Jennison said:
>>> Charles Bishop wrote:
>
>>>>> In another newsfroup, I used "hie", as in:
>
>>>>> Sis has hied off for warmer (and that's saying something)
>>>>> climes.
>
>>>>> Obaue "hared off" or "hied ______?"
>
>>>> I asked the question above there, and didn't receive much in the
>>>> way of responses, except for one.
>
>>>> So, is "hied off" acceptable? It looks (sounds) odd, but I cannot
>>>> put my finger on why.
>
>>>> "hared off" I'd accept, and the one response I got mentioned that
>>>> there is an element of speed for this, whereas "hied, or hie" can
>>>> be slower.
>
>>>> Thoughts?
>
>>> What looks slightly odd to me isn't "hied" but "off". I'd go for
>>> "Sis has hied her to ..." instead.
>
>> As illustrated by your example, "hie" is unusual in that it not only
>> requires a pronoun object (so I don't think one can just "hie" or
>> "hie off") but this pronoun is the simple accusative rather than a
>> reflexive, not, therefore, "*Sis has hied herself to …". I can't
>> think of any everyday verbs that behave like that in modern English.
>
How about "taken" with the same sense?
>On 28/03/2015 6:21 AM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>> Katy Jennison said:
>>> Charles Bishop wrote:
>
>>>>> In another newsfroup, I used "hie", as in:
>
>>>>> Sis has hied off for warmer (and that's saying something)
>>>>> climes.
>
>>>>> Obaue "hared off" or "hied ______?"
>
>>>> I asked the question above there, and didn't receive much in the
>>>> way of responses, except for one.
>
>>>> So, is "hied off" acceptable? It looks (sounds) odd, but I cannot
>>>> put my finger on why.
>
>>>> "hared off" I'd accept, and the one response I got mentioned that
>>>> there is an element of speed for this, whereas "hied, or hie" can
>>>> be slower.
>
>>>> Thoughts?
>
>>> What looks slightly odd to me isn't "hied" but "off". I'd go for
>>> "Sis has hied her to ..." instead.
>
>> As illustrated by your example, "hie" is unusual in that it not only
>> requires a pronoun object (so I don't think one can just "hie" or
>> "hie off") but this pronoun is the simple accusative rather than a
>> reflexive, not, therefore, "*Sis has hied herself to …". I can't
>> think of any everyday verbs that behave like that in modern English.
>
>US Dictionaries at OneLook have plenty of examples of the intransitive
>use. I feel the need for a direct object too, but I would use the
>reflexive pronoun without hesitation if I used the verb seriously: "She
>hied herself off to Reno."
>
>I think the yen for an old-fashioned object comes from the generally
>archaic nature of the word. Most real examples we have in mind are from
>the days when reflexive pronouns did not necessarily end in "-self". I
>said "if I used the verb seriously" just now, because its use is very
>much restricted. I wouldn't use it unless I was being jocular or
>disapproving (as in the Reno example), and a spirit of jocularity would
>probably encourage "hied her".
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
Iain Archer
Mar 28, 2015, 6:43:51 PM3/28/15
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Helen Lacedaemonian <helenofs...@gmail.com> wrote on Fri, 27 Mar
2015 at 21:23:27:
Even better, take them on jaunts round and about the neighbourhood.
--
Iain Archer
2015 at 21:23:27:
--
Iain Archer
Jerry Friedman
Mar 29, 2015, 3:20:40 PM3/29/15
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On 3/28/15 9:18 AM, Stan Brown wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 05:35:11 +0000, Katy Jennison wrote:
>>
>> What looks slightly odd to me isn't "hied" but "off". I'd go for "Sis
>> has hied her to ..." instead.
>
> I just suggested "has hied herself to". I think "hied her" might
> actually be better. But how does "her" parse in that sentence, or is
> it just a special one-off use of the reflexive pronoun without "-
> self"?
Reflexive, I'd say. A lot of Americans say "I'm going to get me a...",
> On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 05:35:11 +0000, Katy Jennison wrote:
>>
>> What looks slightly odd to me isn't "hied" but "off". I'd go for "Sis
>> has hied her to ..." instead.
>
> I just suggested "has hied herself to". I think "hied her" might
> actually be better. But how does "her" parse in that sentence, or is
> it just a special one-off use of the reflexive pronoun without "-
> self"?
"I need to buy me a...", "You can find you a...", "Take you a..." which
might be survivals of the same thing.
--
Jerry Friedman
Gonna buy me a condo.
snide...@gmail.com
Mar 30, 2015, 10:33:54 PM3/30/15
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