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Is "just so happens" proper English?

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Dingbat

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Mar 3, 2016, 6:47:23 PM3/3/16
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I find "just so happens to be" by a web search.

When I originally learnt such usage, it was:

"It so happens that it is the only way", or

"It just happens to be the only way"


"just so happens" seems superfluous/ redundant.

henh...@gmail.com

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Mar 3, 2016, 8:20:38 PM3/3/16
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I'm not getting what could be redundant about it.

https://www.google.com/#q=%22just+so+happens%22&tbm=nws

It's so common (even in newspaper articles) that
it has to be proper English. HH


If you know French or German (or are an etymology buff),
please take a look in:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.lang

Dingbat

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Mar 3, 2016, 9:21:32 PM3/3/16
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On Friday, March 4, 2016 at 6:50:38 AM UTC+5:30, henh...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 3:47:23 PM UTC-8, Dingbat wrote:
> > I find "just so happens to be" by a web search.
> >
> > When I originally learnt such usage, it was:
> >
> > "It so happens that it is the only way", or
> >
> > "It just happens to be the only way"
> >
> >
> > "just so happens" seems superfluous/ redundant.
>
>
> I'm not getting what could be redundant about it.
>
Drop the "so" from "just so happens to be" and the meaning doesn't change; ergo the "so" seems redundant.
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It's not redundant in "It is just so," a.k.a. "That's the way it is," and in "Just so story."
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It can also mean the opposite of "Just so so"; a more precise way to express that seems to be "Just right" rather than "Just so".
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> https://www.google.com/#q=%22just+so+happens%22&tbm=nws
>
> It's so common (even in newspaper articles) that
> it has to be proper English. HH
>
Usages that are not pucka are often common.
>
> If you know French or German (or are an etymology buff),
> please take a look in:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.lang

I don't see a thread there on this subject.

Harrison Hill

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Mar 4, 2016, 4:59:27 PM3/4/16
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They aren't synonyms (though they are close to being):

It just so happens = as luck would have it.
It just happens = as nature would have it.

Dingbat

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Mar 4, 2016, 5:58:28 PM3/4/16
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Ah, I see! Thanks.

henh...@gmail.com

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Mar 4, 2016, 6:32:12 PM3/4/16
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That's true, as a tendency. However :


book [Come Along: We Are Truth-Bound]
...... And thirdly, it just so happens, that mathematics is our next and the final steppingstone to the understanding of reality.


(book review) 'Anatomy of a Soldier', by Harry Parker
Financial Times- .... It just happens that he's done it unusually well.


Military working dog receives Dickin Medal for heroism
DVIDS (press release)- .... It just happens to be reserved for non-human service members. Lucca, a retired Marine Corps military working dog, has been selected as the first United States military working dog to receive this prestigious European award.


HH
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