I encounter a short phrase:
At the risk of stating the obvious
After I google it on the web, I still do not understand the meaning.
Could you explain it to me? Thanks.
also
"A word to the wise is sufficient."
There are a lot of fools on television shows, then:
"As you know, the last time the police captured Henderson, he was engaged in
trying to eat a llama -- through a straw, no less...and bail was posted by an
albino midget wearing a Prussian field marshall's uniform"....
"Yes, I do know...why are you telling me again?"...
....r
--
Me? Sarcastic?
Yeah, right.
> There is a popular saying, "Only a fool states the obvious."
Taking this in the context of your earlier posts, this seems to imply
that you define yourself as a fool.
Example: "the English language was not designed by a committee"
(paraphrasing; I can't be bothered to check what you actually wrote).
--
athel
Though most of you may already know what I'm about to tell you, I'm going to
tell you anyway.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
>Hi,
"There is something important and obvious that no-one has actually
mentioned yet. So, just in case anyone has forgotten it, I'm going to
remind everyone. (And my apologies if the reminder wasn't needed.)"
Cheers - Ian
(BrE: Yorks., Hants.)
That's very well put. It captures every nuance of the meaning of the
phrase.
--
Roland Hutchinson
He calls himself "the Garden State's leading violist da gamba,"
... comparable to being ruler of an exceptionally small duchy.
--Newark (NJ) Star Ledger ( http://tinyurl.com/RolandIsNJ )
On Oct 26, 11:32 am, Athel Cornish-Bowden <acorn...@ifr88.cnrs-mrs.fr>
wrote:
> Obviously, I didn't invent the saying and therefore your assumption
> that I agree with it is stupid. Obvious for me and not for you, many
> people intellectually acknowledge facts and theories without realizing
> them in practice. For example, many people believe in Darwin's theory
> of evolution while allowing or promoting government interference with
> natural selection of humans. They should often be reminded where this
> is obviously going.
Obviously? Maybe you should read a bit a out modern evolutionary
theory, but you wouldn't understand it, so there is probably no point.
Anyway, this is where you and I part company. Welcome to my killfile.
Incidentally (not that I'll see your answer) did your mother never
explain to you about top-posting?
a.
>
>
> On Oct 26, 11:32�am, Athel Cornish-Bowden <acorn...@ifr88.cnrs-mrs.fr>
> wrote:
>> On 2010-10-26 17:38:33 +0200, aruzinsky <aruzin...@general-cathexis.com>
> said:
>>
>>> There is a popular saying, "Only a fool states the obvious."
>>
>> Taking this in the context of your earlier posts, this seems to imply
>> that you define yourself as a fool.
>>
>> Example: "the English language was not designed by a committee" �
>> (paraphrasing; I can't be bothered to check what you actually wrote).
>>
>> --
>> athel
--
athel
On Oct 27, 11:50 am, Athel Cornish-Bowden <acorn...@ifr88.cnrs-mrs.fr>
wrote:
> athel- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
>> athel- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
If you say so.
Hm. Context is all. I have more often heard it with a sarcastic edge,
meaning "You idiots, you have forgotten something really important here
and I have been clever enough to spot it."
Perhaps I just mix too much with those sort of people.
--
Laura
(emulate St. George for email)
I suppose it's not excluded that my lengthy paraphrase (above) could also
be read sarcastically. You are entirely right that the phrase is commonly
so used.
> On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 18:00:59 +0100, LFS wrote:
>
>> Roland Hutchinson wrote:
>>> On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 23:38:08 +0100, Ian Noble wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 05:37:38 -0700 (PDT), fl <rxj...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I encounter a short phrase:
>>>>> At the risk of stating the obvious
>>>>>
>>>>> After I google it on the web, I still do not understand the meaning.
>>>>> Could you explain it to me? Thanks.
>>>> "There is something important and obvious that no-one has actually
>>>> mentioned yet. So, just in case anyone has forgotten it, I'm going to
>>>> remind everyone. (And my apologies if the reminder wasn't needed.)"
>>>
>>> That's very well put. It captures every nuance of the meaning of the
>>> phrase.
>>>
>> Hm. Context is all. I have more often heard it with a sarcastic edge,
>> meaning "You idiots, you have forgotten something really important here
>> and I have been clever enough to spot it."
>>
>> Perhaps I just mix too much with those sort of people.
>
> I suppose it's not excluded that my lengthy paraphrase (above) could
> also be read sarcastically. You are entirely right that the phrase is
> commonly so used.
Erm--not MY pararphase, Ian's.
> [ ... ]
> Erm--not MY pararphase, Ian's.
As an AmE speaker aren't you suppose to say "uhm"?
--
athel
Those sorts of people? That sort of person? It's been rather a long day...
I have obviously been influenced, perhaps unduly, by norms of written
English originating elsewhere. Early (and frequent) exposure to Winnie
"ther" Pooh, inter alia.
aruzinsky wrote:
> Look at Athel Cornish-Bowden's primitive affectations. What? I'm not
> supposed to talk behind his back?
>
> On Oct 27, 11:50 am, Athel Cornish-Bowden <acorn...@ifr88.cnrs-mrs.fr>
> wrote:
>>
>> Incidentally (not that I'll see your answer) did your mother never
>> explain to you about top-posting?
[Snip a great deal of stuff that should have been snipped earlier.]
--
Peter Moylan, Newcastle, NSW, Australia. http://www.pmoylan.org
For an e-mail address, see my web page.
Dictionaries rarely give the correct pronunciation of sounds like this.
It took me years to realise that AmE "uh" is pronounced almost exactly
like BrE "er". In my reading, I had been mentally pronouncing the former
with a lengthened "but" vowel.
(I came a little faster to the realisation that "mom" and "mum" sound
much the same.)
> [ ... ]
> (I came a little faster to the realisation that "mom" and "mum" sound
> much the same.)
Much the same, yes, but not identical. In the 1960s there was a widely
distributed film called The Lion in Winter (Peter O'Toole as Henry
II...). In one scene one of the sons addressed his mother as "Mummy"
(Katherine Hepburn, the Queen, as his not very motherly mother), and it
was quite clearly intended as "Mummy" and not "Mommy". The vowel in
"Mummy" is noticeably shorter.
--
athel
>> Perhaps I just mix too much with those sort of people.
>>
>
>Those sorts of people? That sort of person? It's been rather a long day...
I wondered about that. I don't think you can mingle with just one person,
unless in rather particular circumstances, so I'm not sure your second version
will do.
How about "persons of that sort"? There's a nice slightly-holding-the-nose
effect there.
Katy
Thus, I am morally compelled to be a cultural bigot. Top posting
facilitates convenient use of my spell checker.
On Oct 28, 4:40 pm, Peter Moylan <inva...@peter.pmoylan.org.invalid>
wrote:
>customs = culture = random habits = more bad than good habits
>
>Thus, I am morally compelled to be a cultural bigot. Top posting
>facilitates convenient use of my spell checker.
>
Interesting. The spell checker in the newsreader that I use (Agent)
ignores quoted lines and the introductory "On <date> ..." line preceding
quoted lines.
>On Oct 28, 4:40 pm, Peter Moylan <inva...@peter.pmoylan.org.invalid>
>wrote:
>> by now that top-posting is frowned upon in aue.
>> customs of that group. You must surely have noticed
>> impolite to come into a group and ignore the norms and
>> Regardless of any other factor, it is grossly
>>
>> aruzinsky wrote:
>> > Look at Athel Cornish-Bowden's primitive affectations. What? I'm not
>> > supposed to talk behind his back?
>>
>> > On Oct 27, 11:50 am, Athel Cornish-Bowden <acorn...@ifr88.cnrs-mrs.fr>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >> Incidentally (not that I'll see your answer) did your mother never
>> >> explain to you about top-posting?
>>
>> [Snip a great deal of stuff that should have been snipped earlier.]
>>
>> --
>> Peter Moylan, Newcastle, NSW, Australia. http://www.pmoylan.org
>> For an e-mail address, see my web page.
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
Also: "Nudge...nudge! Wink...wink! Know what I mean, eh?
Photographs...you like photographs, don't you?"
> Photographs...you like photographs, don't you?"- Hide quoted text -
And in that instant the novice was enlightened....r
> Thus, I am morally compelled to be a cultural bigot. Top posting
> facilitates convenient use of my spell checker.
Plonk.
--
John Varela
That's the Way to do it!
Should I add ostentatious shunning to my list of customs within the
liberal subculture, along with wearing their hearts on their sleeves
and secretly spitting in food served to conservatives?
On Oct 31, 12:51 pm, "John Varela" <newla...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 16:15:43 UTC, aruzinsky
>
Should I add ostentatious shunning to my list of customs within the
liberal subculture, along with wearing their hearts on their sleeves
and secretly spitting in food served to conservatives?
Pat's reply: What do you call the complete lack of cooperation with
Democrats in the recent legislative session (2009-10)? (The actions of
the party of "NO")
But, no. Shunning is a tool that groups may use to enforce a kind of
discipline within their ranks, and, by extension, that disciplined
groups may use against outsiders. Activists doing "sit-ins",
"walk-outs", boycotts, and other mass behavior techniques, come in all
colors of the political, moral, or ethical spectra.
>Any conservatives here? I ask because I seem to have observed that
>ostentatious acts of shunning are mostly a liberal practice.
There was some pretty spectacular shunning by conservatives during the
"McCarthy era".
"Argument"
> But, no. Shunning is a tool that groups may use to enforce a kind of
> discipline within their ranks, and, by extension, that disciplined
> groups may use against outsiders. Activists doing "sit-ins",
> "walk-outs", boycotts, and other mass behavior techniques, come in all
> colors of the political, moral, or ethical spectra.
"No" what? Conservatives in this public forum?
> "No" what? Conservatives in this public forum?
>
Not too many. This is a fairly well educated and bright bunch.
[runs for cover]
--
Skitt (SF Bay Area)
http://come.to/skitt
On Nov 1, 10:45 am, "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <m...@peterduncanson.net>
wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Nov 2010 07:41:53 -0700 (PDT), aruzinsky
>
On Nov 1, 1:04 pm, Lewis <g.kr...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <1jrtc6pa1ba5qlmo4qbadhobji8v9u7...@4ax.com>
> Peter Duncanson (BrE) <m...@peterduncanson.net> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 1 Nov 2010 07:41:53 -0700 (PDT), aruzinsky
> > <aruzin...@general-cathexis.com> wrote:
> >>Any conservatives here? I ask because I seem to have observed that
> >>ostentatious acts of shunning are mostly a liberal practice.
> > There was some pretty spectacular shunning by conservatives during the
> > "McCarthy era".
>
> Not to mention at every period in history where there have been
> conservatives.
>
> --
> The world is made of four elements: Earth, Air, Fire and Water. This is
> a fact well known even to Corporal Nobbs. It's also wrong. There's a
> fifth element, and generally it's called Surprise. --The Truth
> Abraham Lincoln was a conservative.
Please don't top-post. Replies should follow properly trimmed quotes.
Brian
--
Day 635 of the "no grouchy usenet posts" project.
Current music playing: None.
Warts and all....r
>Any conservatives here? I ask because I seem to have observed that
>ostentatious acts of shunning are mostly a liberal practice. Looking
>back, liberal Pres. Jimmy Carter forced the US to shun the 1980 Summer
>Olympics held in Moscow. More recently, liberals Whoopy Goldberg and
>Joy Behar shunned Bill O'Reilly on their own TV show, The View.
>Maybe, my memory is selective, but I honestly can't remember any
>conservatives making a big show of shunning.
>
>Should I add ostentatious shunning to my list of customs within the
>liberal subculture, along with wearing their hearts on their sleeves
>and secretly spitting in food served to conservatives?
I'm not sure that that is all that obvious. But a lot depends on how you
define "liberal" and "conservative", both of which, it seems to me, are pretty
well skunked.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
>Like this.
I don't.
I rarely submit to pontification (3.), peer pressure and/or
shunning. I often submit to logical, rational argument.
http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html
Brian
--
Day 636 of the "no grouchy usenet posts" project.
Current music playing: None
And I rarely perform #4, as I prefer my movements to be unbiased....r
>pon·tif·i·cate
>–noun
>1. the office or term of office of a pontiff.
>–verb (used without object)
>2. to perform the office or duties of a pontiff.
>3. to speak in a pompous or dogmatic manner: Did he pontificate about
>the responsibilities of a good citizen?
>4. to serve as a bishop, esp. in a Pontifical Mass.
non se·qui·tur
noun \?nän-?se-kw?-t?r also -?tu?r\
Definition of NON SEQUITUR
2
- a statement (as a response) that does not follow logically from or is not
clearly related to anything previously said
Therefore your "non sequitur" is non sequitur and
hyp·o·crit·i·cal (hp-krt-kl)
adj.
1. Characterized by hypocrisy: hypocritical praise.
2. Being a hypocrite: a hypocritical rogue.
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On Nov 3, 5:56 am, Steve Hayes <hayes...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 07:16:57 -0700 (PDT), aruzinsky
>
On Nov 2, 10:57 am, "Default User" <defaultuse...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "aruzinsky" <aruzin...@general-cathexis.com> wrote in message
> Your link doesn't connect.
Works for me, but no matter. I won't be reading any more of your messages.
Brian
I was expecting one of your usual puns, but I feel rooked.
--
Jerry Friedman
I strongly object to the term "bottom-posting" on that page.
Bottom-posting, to me, means adding one's contribution at the bottom
without snipping anything. This does at least preserve natural reading
order, but it copies the top-posters' annoying habit of quoting
everything except the signature, whether or not it's relevant. (Some
top-posters even quote the signature. For the most part bottom-posters
don't have that nasty habit.)
The body of the article makes it clear that the authors are in favour of
heavy snipping, so their intent is good. It's just the term that I dislike.
--
Peter Moylan, Newcastle, NSW, Australia. http://www.pmoylan.org
For an e-mail address, see my web page.
> aruzinsky filted:
>>
>>There is a popular saying, "Only a fool states the obvious."
>
> There are a lot of fools on television shows, then:
>
> "As you know, the last time the police captured Henderson, he was engaged in
> trying to eat a llama -- through a straw, no less...and bail was posted by an
> albino midget wearing a Prussian field marshall's uniform"....
>
> "Yes, I do know...why are you telling me again?"...
Of course, it's politeness. As you'll no doubt be aware. there are
situations where I think you might not know, but I don't want to say
so.
--
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Plan trips, see photos, check facilities | http://canalplan.org.uk
> aruzinsky wrote:
>
>> "No" what? Conservatives in this public forum?
>>
>
> Not too many. This is a fairly well educated and bright bunch.
>
> [runs for cover]
Under Labour I thought i was. Now they are in power, I know how Labour
felt when Blair got in.
On Nov 3, 10:26 am, "Default User" <defaultuse...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "aruzinsky" <aruzin...@general-cathexis.com> wrote in message
Relevance?
Anywho, quoted from elsewhere:
> Are you sure?
>> Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation.
>>> Why is top-posting so annoying?
--
D. Glenn Arthur Jr./The Human Vibrator, dgl...@panix.com
Due to hand/wrist problems my newsreading time varies so I may miss followups.
"Being a _man_ means knowing that one has a choice not to act like a 'man'."
http://www.dglenn.org/ http://dglenn.dreamwidth.org
Your end of this conversation is irrational. A rational person does
not sweat such small stuff.
More importantly, people who unload their shopping carts, at the
cashier, from the front, as opposed to the back, are wrong because,
after paying, they sometimes forget that they have a cart and leave it
behind. Now, that is what I call "annoying." By any chance, are you
such a person?
On Dec 2, 9:25 am, dgl...@panix.com (D. Glenn Arthur Jr.) wrote:
> In article <7e336208-f848-4081-8076-3b777dbba...@e14g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
>
> aruzinsky <aruzin...@general-cathexis.com> wrote:
> >Today,http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.htmlworked for me too. It
I gather that it's because he's not using a proper news client. The
spell-checker in most news clients skips the quoted part and only checks
the new material. Whatever aruzinsky is using is broken in that respect.