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Hibou
Mar 15, 2023, 5:11:37 AMMar 15
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I find 'to deliver on a promise' (common in politics, fairly recent, and
apparently of American origin) conjures an image of a tipper lorry
dropping a load of coal. I expect that's just me, since people would not
use the expression if they had this picture in their minds - or would they?
Whatever happened to 'keep', 'fulfil', or 'honour' a promise? Since I
don't seem to hear them any more, I'm surprised to find they're still
alive (though 'honour''s looking a bit peelie-wally, as one might expect
in the realm of politics):
<https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=deliver+on+a+promise%2Ckeep+a+promise%2Cfulfil+a+promise%2Chonour+a+promise%2Cfulfill+a+promise%2Chonor+a+promise&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-GB-2019&smoothing=3>
<https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=deliver+on+a+promise%2Ckeep+a+promise%2Cfulfil+a+promise%2Chonour+a+promise%2Cfulfill+a+promise%2Chonor+a+promise&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-US-2019&smoothing=3
apparently of American origin) conjures an image of a tipper lorry
dropping a load of coal. I expect that's just me, since people would not
use the expression if they had this picture in their minds - or would they?
Whatever happened to 'keep', 'fulfil', or 'honour' a promise? Since I
don't seem to hear them any more, I'm surprised to find they're still
alive (though 'honour''s looking a bit peelie-wally, as one might expect
in the realm of politics):
<https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=deliver+on+a+promise%2Ckeep+a+promise%2Cfulfil+a+promise%2Chonour+a+promise%2Cfulfill+a+promise%2Chonor+a+promise&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-GB-2019&smoothing=3>
<https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=deliver+on+a+promise%2Ckeep+a+promise%2Cfulfil+a+promise%2Chonour+a+promise%2Cfulfill+a+promise%2Chonor+a+promise&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-US-2019&smoothing=3
Hibou
Mar 15, 2023, 5:13:48 AMMar 15
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Peter T. Daniels
Mar 15, 2023, 9:08:53 AMMar 15
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On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 5:11:37 AM UTC-4, Hibou wrote:
> I find 'to deliver on a promise' (common in politics, fairly recent, and
> apparently of American origin) conjures an image of a tipper lorry
I suspect that's a "dump truck."
> I find 'to deliver on a promise' (common in politics, fairly recent, and
> apparently of American origin) conjures an image of a tipper lorry
> dropping a load of coal. I expect that's just me, since people would not
> use the expression if they had this picture in their minds - or would they?
and truckloads might be inadequate for the power plants that still use
it, so it's unlikely that image would arise.
> Whatever happened to 'keep', 'fulfil', or 'honour' a promise? Since I
> don't seem to hear them any more, I'm surprised to find they're still
> alive (though 'honour''s looking a bit peelie-wally, as one might expect
> in the realm of politics):
campaign was "Promises made, promises kept."
Maybe "deliver" is a Brit cliché, whatever its origin.
> <https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=deliver+on+a+promise%2Ckeep+a+promise%2Cfulfil+a+promise%2Chonour+a+promise%2Cfulfill+a+promise%2Chonor+a+promise&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-GB-2019&smoothing=3>
>
> <https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=deliver+on+a+promise%2Ckeep+a+promise%2Cfulfil+a+promise%2Chonour+a+promise%2Cfulfill+a+promise%2Chonor+a+promise&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-US-2019&smoothing=3
lar3ryca
Mar 15, 2023, 11:50:39 AMMar 15
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On 2023-03-15 03:11, Hibou wrote:
> I find 'to deliver on a promise' (common in politics, fairly recent, and
> apparently of American origin) conjures an image of a tipper lorry
> dropping a load of coal. I expect that's just me, since people would not
> use the expression if they had this picture in their minds - or would they?
If it's American in origin, it should conjure _up_ an image of a dump
> I find 'to deliver on a promise' (common in politics, fairly recent, and
> apparently of American origin) conjures an image of a tipper lorry
> dropping a load of coal. I expect that's just me, since people would not
> use the expression if they had this picture in their minds - or would they?
truck dropping a load of coal.
> Whatever happened to 'keep', 'fulfil', or 'honour' a promise? Since I
> don't seem to hear them any more, I'm surprised to find they're still
> alive (though 'honour''s looking a bit peelie-wally, as one might expect
> in the realm of politics):
just another multi-word phrase used in place of a single word, you and I
would, at this point in time, be on the same page at the end of the day.
> <https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=deliver+on+a+promise%2Ckeep+a+promise%2Cfulfil+a+promise%2Chonour+a+promise%2Cfulfill+a+promise%2Chonor+a+promise&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-GB-2019&smoothing=3>
>
> <https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=deliver+on+a+promise%2Ckeep+a+promise%2Cfulfil+a+promise%2Chonour+a+promise%2Cfulfill+a+promise%2Chonor+a+promise&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-US-2019&smoothing=3
--
When you earnestly believe you can compensate for a lack of skill
by doubling your efforts, there's no end to what you can't do.
Hibou
Mar 16, 2023, 4:58:50 AMMar 16
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Le 15/03/2023 à 13:08, Peter T. Daniels a écrit :
> On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 5:11:37 AM UTC-4, Hibou wrote:
>>
>> I find 'to deliver on a promise' (common in politics, fairly recent, and
>> apparently of American origin) conjures an image of a tipper lorry
>
> I suspect that's a "dump truck."
As ever, GETA (Google est ton ami).
> On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 5:11:37 AM UTC-4, Hibou wrote:
>>
>> I find 'to deliver on a promise' (common in politics, fairly recent, and
>> apparently of American origin) conjures an image of a tipper lorry
>
> I suspect that's a "dump truck."
>> dropping a load of coal. I expect that's just me, since people would not
>> use the expression if they had this picture in their minds - or would they?
>
> Coal hasn't been used in furnaces in residential buildings in decades,
> and truckloads might be inadequate for the power plants that still use
> it, so it's unlikely that image would arise.
recently about alternatives to gas, and it would seem coal is popular
over there for residential heating). But let's say the image is of a
tipper lorry dropping a load of MacGuffins on to a promissory note.
>> Whatever happened to 'keep', 'fulfil', or 'honour' a promise? Since I
>> don't seem to hear them any more, I'm surprised to find they're still
>> alive (though 'honour''s looking a bit peelie-wally, as one might expect
>> in the realm of politics):
>
> I don't know about Over There, but a slogan heard in the last presidential
> campaign was "Promises made, promises kept."
> Maybe "deliver" is a Brit cliché, whatever its origin.
>
>> <https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=deliver+on+a+promise%2Ckeep+a+promise%2Cfulfil+a+promise%2Chonour+a+promise%2Cfulfill+a+promise%2Chonor+a+promise&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-GB-2019&smoothing=3>
>>
>> <https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=deliver+on+a+promise%2Ckeep+a+promise%2Cfulfil+a+promise%2Chonour+a+promise%2Cfulfill+a+promise%2Chonor+a+promise&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-US-2019&smoothing=3>
American (books) as in British ones.
The early examples (pre-1950) found by Google Books are all American.
In general, you may take it that before I say something in a forum, I've
taken it for a test drive.
occam
Mar 16, 2023, 5:34:53 AMMar 16
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On 15/03/2023 10:11, Hibou wrote:
> I find 'to deliver on a promise' (common in politics, fairly recent, and
> apparently of American origin) conjures an image of a tipper lorry
> dropping a load of coal. I expect that's just me, since people would not
> use the expression if they had this picture in their minds - or would they?
>
> Whatever happened to 'keep', 'fulfil', or 'honour' a promise? Since I
> don't seem to hear them any more, I'm surprised to find they're still
> alive
They are all alive and well, as your Ngram shows.
> I find 'to deliver on a promise' (common in politics, fairly recent, and
> apparently of American origin) conjures an image of a tipper lorry
> dropping a load of coal. I expect that's just me, since people would not
> use the expression if they had this picture in their minds - or would they?
>
> Whatever happened to 'keep', 'fulfil', or 'honour' a promise? Since I
> don't seem to hear them any more, I'm surprised to find they're still
> alive
The reason why politicians (and businessmen) may prefer 'to deliver..."
is probably because it suggest a proactive deed, rather that the more
passive 'keep', 'honour', 'abide by' etc.
I may keep a promise by doing nothing (e.g. keeping my mouth shut),
however 'delivering' implies getting off my arse and doing something
positive (e.g. lowering taxes, building more houses, etc.).
Hibou
Mar 16, 2023, 6:00:00 AMMar 16
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Le 16/03/2023 à 09:34, occam a écrit :
>
> The reason why politicians (and businessmen) may prefer 'to deliver..."
> is probably because it suggest a proactive deed, rather that the more
> passive 'keep', 'honour', 'abide by' etc.
>
> I may keep a promise by doing nothing (e.g. keeping my mouth shut),
> however 'delivering' implies getting off my arse and doing something
> positive (e.g. lowering taxes, building more houses, etc.).
Yes, that could be it.
>
> The reason why politicians (and businessmen) may prefer 'to deliver..."
> is probably because it suggest a proactive deed, rather that the more
> passive 'keep', 'honour', 'abide by' etc.
>
> I may keep a promise by doing nothing (e.g. keeping my mouth shut),
> however 'delivering' implies getting off my arse and doing something
> positive (e.g. lowering taxes, building more houses, etc.).
Peter T. Daniels
Mar 16, 2023, 12:04:12 PMMar 16
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On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 4:58:50 AM UTC-4, Hibou wrote:
> Le 15/03/2023 à 13:08, Peter T. Daniels a écrit :
> > On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 5:11:37 AM UTC-4, Hibou wrote:
> >> I find 'to deliver on a promise' (common in politics, fairly recent, and
> >> apparently of American origin) conjures an image of a tipper lorry
> >
> > I suspect that's a "dump truck."
>
> As ever, GETA (Google est ton ami).
? To do what? Interpret a weird Briticism?
> Le 15/03/2023 à 13:08, Peter T. Daniels a écrit :
> > On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 5:11:37 AM UTC-4, Hibou wrote:
> >> I find 'to deliver on a promise' (common in politics, fairly recent, and
> >> apparently of American origin) conjures an image of a tipper lorry
> >
> > I suspect that's a "dump truck."
>
> As ever, GETA (Google est ton ami).
Does the verb "suspect" not alert you to a pleasantry?
> >> dropping a load of coal. I expect that's just me, since people would not
> >> use the expression if they had this picture in their minds - or would they?
> > Coal hasn't been used in furnaces in residential buildings in decades,
> > and truckloads might be inadequate for the power plants that still use
> > it, so it's unlikely that image would arise.
>
> Depends on where in the world one is (I watched a German documentary
> recently about alternatives to gas, and it would seem coal is popular
> over there for residential heating). But let's say the image is of a
> tipper lorry dropping a load of MacGuffins on to a promissory note.
> >> Whatever happened to 'keep', 'fulfil', or 'honour' a promise? Since I
> >> don't seem to hear them any more, I'm surprised to find they're still
> >> alive (though 'honour''s looking a bit peelie-wally, as one might expect
> >> in the realm of politics):
> > I don't know about Over There, but a slogan heard in the last presidential
> > campaign was "Promises made, promises kept."
>
> Well, one swallow doesn't make a summer.
> > Maybe "deliver" is a Brit cliché, whatever its origin.
> >> <https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=deliver+on+a+promise%2Ckeep+a+promise%2Cfulfil+a+promise%2Chonour+a+promise%2Cfulfill+a+promise%2Chonor+a+promise&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-GB-2019&smoothing=3>
> >>
> >> <https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=deliver+on+a+promise%2Ckeep+a+promise%2Cfulfil+a+promise%2Chonour+a+promise%2Cfulfill+a+promise%2Chonor+a+promise&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-US-2019&smoothing=3>
> If you look at these Ngrams, you'll find that it is twice as common in
> American (books) as in British ones.
>
> The early examples (pre-1950) found by Google Books are all American.
>
> In general, you may take it that before I say something in a forum, I've
> taken it for a test drive.
AmE preserves a number of older usages that have been lost from BrE.
TonyCooper
Mar 16, 2023, 12:28:58 PMMar 16
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On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 09:04:09 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
<gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 4:58:50?AM UTC-4, Hibou wrote:
>> Le 15/03/2023 ą 13:08, Peter T. Daniels a écrit :
that can tip the contents out.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando,Florida
<gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 4:58:50?AM UTC-4, Hibou wrote:
>> Le 15/03/2023 ą 13:08, Peter T. Daniels a écrit :
>> > On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 5:11:37?AM UTC-4, Hibou wrote:
>
>> >> I find 'to deliver on a promise' (common in politics, fairly recent, and
>> >> apparently of American origin) conjures an image of a tipper lorry
>> >
>> > I suspect that's a "dump truck."
>>
>> As ever, GETA (Google est ton ami).
>
>? To do what? Interpret a weird Briticism?
One wonders if "dump truck" is not a "weird Americanism" for a lorry
>
>> >> I find 'to deliver on a promise' (common in politics, fairly recent, and
>> >> apparently of American origin) conjures an image of a tipper lorry
>> >
>> > I suspect that's a "dump truck."
>>
>> As ever, GETA (Google est ton ami).
>
>? To do what? Interpret a weird Briticism?
that can tip the contents out.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando,Florida
Kerr-Mudd, John
Mar 16, 2023, 4:22:35 PMMar 16
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On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 12:28:55 -0400
TonyCooper <tonyco...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 09:04:09 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 4:58:50?AM UTC-4, Hibou wrote:
TonyCooper <tonyco...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 09:04:09 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 4:58:50?AM UTC-4, Hibou wrote:
> >> Le 15/03/2023 à 13:08, Peter T. Daniels a écrit :
> >> > On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 5:11:37?AM UTC-4, Hibou wrote:
> >
> >> >> I find 'to deliver on a promise' (common in politics, fairly recent, and
> >> >> apparently of American origin) conjures an image of a tipper lorry
> >> >
> >> > I suspect that's a "dump truck."
> >>
> >> As ever, GETA (Google est ton ami).
> >
> >? To do what? Interpret a weird Briticism?
>
> One wonders if "dump truck" is not a "weird Americanism" for a lorry
> that can tip the contents out.
>
Data point: I (here in the UK) have always called them 'dumper trucks'.
> >> > On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 5:11:37?AM UTC-4, Hibou wrote:
> >
> >> >> I find 'to deliver on a promise' (common in politics, fairly recent, and
> >> >> apparently of American origin) conjures an image of a tipper lorry
> >> >
> >> > I suspect that's a "dump truck."
> >>
> >> As ever, GETA (Google est ton ami).
> >
> >? To do what? Interpret a weird Briticism?
>
> One wonders if "dump truck" is not a "weird Americanism" for a lorry
> that can tip the contents out.
>
--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.
Peter T. Daniels
Mar 16, 2023, 5:28:11 PMMar 16
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Sam Plusnet
Mar 16, 2023, 8:34:23 PMMar 16
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A Dumper truck - one of those large, bright yellow things, used in
open-cast quarries and earth-moving groundwork. Their load-bed is shaped
somewhat like a builder's skip[1].
And a Tipper lorry - much like a conventional lorry with a flat=bed,
sides and a tailgate, but the front of the flat-bed is lifted up, just
behind the cabin, by a large hydraulic ram - so that the content slides
out of the (open) tailgate.
[1] The lorries that carry builder's skips around are another thing
altogether.
--
Sam Plusnet
TonyCooper
Mar 16, 2023, 9:26:30 PMMar 16
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On Fri, 17 Mar 2023 00:34:18 +0000, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:
>On 16-Mar-23 20:22, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 12:28:55 -0400
>> TonyCooper <tonyco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 09:04:09 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
>>> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 4:58:50?AM UTC-4, Hibou wrote:
>On 16-Mar-23 20:22, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 12:28:55 -0400
>> TonyCooper <tonyco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 09:04:09 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
>>> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 4:58:50?AM UTC-4, Hibou wrote:
>>>>> Le 15/03/2023 ą 13:08, Peter T. Daniels a écrit :
>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 5:11:37?AM UTC-4, Hibou wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> I find 'to deliver on a promise' (common in politics, fairly recent, and
>>>>>>> apparently of American origin) conjures an image of a tipper lorry
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suspect that's a "dump truck."
>>>>>
>>>>> As ever, GETA (Google est ton ami).
>>>>
>>>> ? To do what? Interpret a weird Briticism?
>>>
>>> One wonders if "dump truck" is not a "weird Americanism" for a lorry
>>> that can tip the contents out.
>>>
>> Data point: I (here in the UK) have always called them 'dumper trucks'.
>
> From a similar corner of the UK, I observe a distinction between:
>
>A Dumper truck - one of those large, bright yellow things, used in
>open-cast quarries and earth-moving groundwork. Their load-bed is shaped
>somewhat like a builder's skip[1].
>
>And a Tipper lorry - much like a conventional lorry with a flat=bed,
>sides and a tailgate, but the front of the flat-bed is lifted up, just
>behind the cabin, by a large hydraulic ram - so that the content slides
>out of the (open) tailgate.
>
>[1] The lorries that carry builder's skips around are another thing
>altogether.
Sam! You are using yet another weird British term in - what I can
>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 5:11:37?AM UTC-4, Hibou wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> I find 'to deliver on a promise' (common in politics, fairly recent, and
>>>>>>> apparently of American origin) conjures an image of a tipper lorry
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suspect that's a "dump truck."
>>>>>
>>>>> As ever, GETA (Google est ton ami).
>>>>
>>>> ? To do what? Interpret a weird Briticism?
>>>
>>> One wonders if "dump truck" is not a "weird Americanism" for a lorry
>>> that can tip the contents out.
>>>
>> Data point: I (here in the UK) have always called them 'dumper trucks'.
>
> From a similar corner of the UK, I observe a distinction between:
>
>A Dumper truck - one of those large, bright yellow things, used in
>open-cast quarries and earth-moving groundwork. Their load-bed is shaped
>somewhat like a builder's skip[1].
>
>And a Tipper lorry - much like a conventional lorry with a flat=bed,
>sides and a tailgate, but the front of the flat-bed is lifted up, just
>behind the cabin, by a large hydraulic ram - so that the content slides
>out of the (open) tailgate.
>
>[1] The lorries that carry builder's skips around are another thing
>altogether.
only assume to be a deliberately provocative manner. A "skip", in the
US, is a hitch in one's stride that follows a hop and precedes a jump.
Or, it can be a person who has disappeared in order to avoid debt or
arrest.
That container that builders, and others, use is properly called a
"dumpster". The product was originally called a Dempster-Dumpster by
its originator - the Dempster Brothers, Inc - in 1935. The 88 years
that have past since the introduction of the product has certainly
been a sufficient amount of time for you to take up the less-weird
name.
"Dumpster" is a word that lends itself much better to describing
political fuck-ups. Who would want to use "skip fire" when "dumpster
fire" is available?
Peter Moylan
Mar 16, 2023, 9:55:03 PMMar 16
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trucks: To the dump, to the dump, to the dump dump dump.
--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org
Sam Plusnet
Mar 16, 2023, 10:48:50 PMMar 16
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On 17-Mar-23 1:26, TonyCooper wrote:
> That container that builders, and others, use is properly called a
> "dumpster".
In AmE you are no doubt correct. However that word isn't part of BrE,
> That container that builders, and others, use is properly called a
> "dumpster".
and the object is not called that (even incorrectly) in the UK.
We have to find other places to build a fire.
--
Sam Plusnet
TonyCooper
Mar 17, 2023, 1:17:23 AMMar 17
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trash, do they go "skip-diving"? Or "skip scrounging" for
alliteration?
Kerr-Mudd, John
Mar 17, 2023, 6:14:47 AMMar 17
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How about: Will the panel please discuss "what is a van?"
Flower delivery moped type van up to house removal van, but not including a
covered utility truck, or possibly a station wagon (really? you can get
that much in it?)
Janet
Mar 17, 2023, 10:21:42 AMMar 17
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In article <9ot71it6b2pqke83t...@4ax.com>,
tonyco...@gmail.com says...
Skip diving. A treasure trove.
When she was 70+, skip-diving mother in law fell into
the skip and broke her ribs.
Janet
tonyco...@gmail.com says...
When she was 70+, skip-diving mother in law fell into
the skip and broke her ribs.
Janet
Athel Cornish-Bowden
Mar 17, 2023, 12:25:43 PMMar 17
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>
> Flower delivery moped type van up to house removal van, but not including a
> covered utility truck, or possibly a station wagon (really? you can get
> that much in it?)
--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36 years; mainly
> Flower delivery moped type van up to house removal van, but not including a
> covered utility truck, or possibly a station wagon (really? you can get
> that much in it?)
--
in England until 1987.
lar3ryca
Mar 17, 2023, 12:28:25 PMMar 17
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On 2023-03-17 08:21, Janet wrote:
> In article <9ot71it6b2pqke83t...@4ax.com>,
> tonyco...@gmail.com says...
>>
>> On Fri, 17 Mar 2023 02:48:43 +0000, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 17-Mar-23 1:26, TonyCooper wrote:
>>>
>>>> That container that builders, and others, use is properly called a
>>>> "dumpster".
>>>
>>> In AmE you are no doubt correct. However that word isn't part of BrE,
>>> and the object is not called that (even incorrectly) in the UK.
>>>
>>> We have to find other places to build a fire.
>>
>> When people in the UK look for discarded treasures in other people's
>> trash, do they go "skip-diving"? Or "skip scrounging" for
>> alliteration?
>
> Skip diving. A treasure trove.
Sounds like a Summer Olympics sport.
> In article <9ot71it6b2pqke83t...@4ax.com>,
> tonyco...@gmail.com says...
>>
>> On Fri, 17 Mar 2023 02:48:43 +0000, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 17-Mar-23 1:26, TonyCooper wrote:
>>>
>>>> That container that builders, and others, use is properly called a
>>>> "dumpster".
>>>
>>> In AmE you are no doubt correct. However that word isn't part of BrE,
>>> and the object is not called that (even incorrectly) in the UK.
>>>
>>> We have to find other places to build a fire.
>>
>> When people in the UK look for discarded treasures in other people's
>> trash, do they go "skip-diving"? Or "skip scrounging" for
>> alliteration?
>
> Skip diving. A treasure trove.
> When she was 70+, skip-diving mother in law fell into
> the skip and broke her ribs.
>
> Janet
Light travels faster than sound. That's why some people
appear bright until you hear them speak.
Sam Plusnet
Mar 17, 2023, 3:25:42 PMMar 17
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On 17-Mar-23 10:14, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> How about: Will the panel please discuss "what is a van?"
There are a few specially configured vans, tailored to specific
> How about: Will the panel please discuss "what is a van?"
purposes, and then there's the general purpose van ordinaire.
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Sam Plusnet
Peter Moylan
Mar 17, 2023, 9:16:56 PMMar 17
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Jerry Friedman
Mar 17, 2023, 9:30:43 PMMar 17
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Jerry Friedman
Sam Plusnet
Mar 17, 2023, 11:12:56 PMMar 17
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Sam Plusnet
TonyCooper
Mar 18, 2023, 8:59:58 AMMar 18
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On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 03:12:51 +0000, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:
>On 18-Mar-23 1:30, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>On 18-Mar-23 1:30, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>> On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 1:25:42?PM UTC-6, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>> On 17-Mar-23 10:14, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>>>> How about: Will the panel please discuss "what is a van?"
>>> There are a few specially configured vans, tailored to specific
>>> purposes, and then there's the general purpose van ordinaire.
>>
>> So that's not the one that has a guard?
>
>Did I cause an affront?
Yes, you are now in arrears.
>>> On 17-Mar-23 10:14, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>>>> How about: Will the panel please discuss "what is a van?"
>>> There are a few specially configured vans, tailored to specific
>>> purposes, and then there's the general purpose van ordinaire.
>>
>> So that's not the one that has a guard?
>
>Did I cause an affront?
Athel Cornish-Bowden
Mar 18, 2023, 10:12:13 AMMar 18
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TonyCooper
Mar 18, 2023, 10:56:15 AMMar 18
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On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 15:12:06 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
<athe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 2023-03-18 12:59:57 +0000, TonyCooper said:
>
>> On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 03:12:51 +0000, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 18-Mar-23 1:30, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>>>> On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 1:25:42?PM UTC-6, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>> On 17-Mar-23 10:14, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>>>>>> How about: Will the panel please discuss "what is a van?"
>>>>> There are a few specially configured vans, tailored to specific
>>>>> purposes, and then there's the general purpose van ordinaire.
>>>>
>>>> So that's not the one that has a guard?
>>>
>>> Did I cause an affront?
>>
>> Yes, you are now in arrears.
>
>Yes, but someone will back him up.
And then forward him to another address?
<athe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 2023-03-18 12:59:57 +0000, TonyCooper said:
>
>> On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 03:12:51 +0000, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 18-Mar-23 1:30, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>>>> On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 1:25:42?PM UTC-6, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>> On 17-Mar-23 10:14, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>>>>>> How about: Will the panel please discuss "what is a van?"
>>>>> There are a few specially configured vans, tailored to specific
>>>>> purposes, and then there's the general purpose van ordinaire.
>>>>
>>>> So that's not the one that has a guard?
>>>
>>> Did I cause an affront?
>>
>> Yes, you are now in arrears.
>
>Yes, but someone will back him up.
Sam Plusnet
Mar 18, 2023, 5:02:40 PMMar 18
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On 18-Mar-23 14:12, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2023-03-18 12:59:57 +0000, TonyCooper said:
>
>> On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 03:12:51 +0000, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 18-Mar-23 1:30, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>>>> On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 1:25:42?PM UTC-6, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>> On 17-Mar-23 10:14, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>>>>>> How about: Will the panel please discuss "what is a van?"
>>>>> There are a few specially configured vans, tailored to specific
>>>>> purposes, and then there's the general purpose van ordinaire.
>>>>
>>>> So that's not the one that has a guard?
>>>
>>> Did I cause an affront?
>>
>> Yes, you are now in arrears.
>
> Yes, but someone will back him up.
I do hope not. I can't stand that terrible beeping noise.
> On 2023-03-18 12:59:57 +0000, TonyCooper said:
>
>> On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 03:12:51 +0000, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 18-Mar-23 1:30, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>>>> On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 1:25:42?PM UTC-6, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>> On 17-Mar-23 10:14, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>>>>>> How about: Will the panel please discuss "what is a van?"
>>>>> There are a few specially configured vans, tailored to specific
>>>>> purposes, and then there's the general purpose van ordinaire.
>>>>
>>>> So that's not the one that has a guard?
>>>
>>> Did I cause an affront?
>>
>> Yes, you are now in arrears.
>
> Yes, but someone will back him up.
(I was going to make a joke about not needing a banksman, but that
doesn't travel well (dogman for Au & NZ, spotter for the US, dunno for
Canada & etc.)
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Sam Plusnet
Snidely
Mar 25, 2023, 5:52:35 AMMar 25
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Lo, on the 3/17/2023, Peter Moylan did proclaim ...
/dps
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Killing a mouse was hardly a Nobel Prize-worthy exercise, and Lawrence
went apopleptic when he learned a lousy rodent had peed away all his
precious heavy water.
_The Disappearing Spoon_, Sam Kean
> On 18/03/23 06:25, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>> On 17-Mar-23 10:14, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>>> How about: Will the panel please discuss "what is a van?"
>>
>>
>> There are a few specially configured vans, tailored to specific
>> purposes, and then there's the general purpose van ordinaire.
>
> <like>
I'm still coughing.
>> On 17-Mar-23 10:14, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>>> How about: Will the panel please discuss "what is a van?"
>>
>>
>> There are a few specially configured vans, tailored to specific
>> purposes, and then there's the general purpose van ordinaire.
>
> <like>
/dps
--
Killing a mouse was hardly a Nobel Prize-worthy exercise, and Lawrence
went apopleptic when he learned a lousy rodent had peed away all his
precious heavy water.
_The Disappearing Spoon_, Sam Kean
occam
Mar 25, 2023, 6:01:48 AMMar 25
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Peter Moylan
Mar 25, 2023, 6:33:33 AMMar 25
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that. But everyone knows the Lone Ranger Overture.
Peter T. Daniels
Mar 25, 2023, 9:05:50 AMMar 25