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Gus
Nov 5, 2013, 8:53:40 PM11/5/13
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why doesn't anyone ever call another person a "father fucker"? Would that not be worse-- at least to a male-- adding a homosexual intensifier?
btw, should "mother fucker" be one contiguous word, hyphenated, or separated into two words?
btw, should "mother fucker" be one contiguous word, hyphenated, or separated into two words?
Peter T. Daniels
Nov 5, 2013, 11:23:33 PM11/5/13
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On Tuesday, November 5, 2013 8:53:40 PM UTC-5, Gus wrote:
> why doesn't anyone ever call another person a "father fucker"? Would that not be worse-- at least to a male-- adding a homosexual intensifier?
Isn't there something along those lines in *Alice's Restaurant"?
> why doesn't anyone ever call another person a "father fucker"? Would that not be worse-- at least to a male-- adding a homosexual intensifier?
> btw, should "mother fucker" be one contiguous word, hyphenated, or separated into two words?
Bertel Lund Hansen
Nov 6, 2013, 4:43:10 AM11/6/13
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Gus skrev:
> why doesn't anyone ever call another person a "father fucker"?
> Would that not be worse-- at least to a male-- adding a
> homosexual intensifier?
The explanation of the word "motherfucker" (one word, no hyphen),
one which I believe is true, is that the word was used by
children of a slave mother who had been forced to give her
master sexual services resulting in a pregnancy. The slave
children didn't want to refer to the slavemaster as "father", so
they used "motherfucker".
This explains in part why "fatherfucker" was not used. There may
have been homosexual slaveowners, but I have never heard about
that.
The word has been misunderstood in (Danish) intellectual circles
to refer to an immature person that "hangs in his mother's
skirts" as we say in Danish.
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Bertel, Denmark
> why doesn't anyone ever call another person a "father fucker"?
> Would that not be worse-- at least to a male-- adding a
> homosexual intensifier?
one which I believe is true, is that the word was used by
children of a slave mother who had been forced to give her
master sexual services resulting in a pregnancy. The slave
children didn't want to refer to the slavemaster as "father", so
they used "motherfucker".
This explains in part why "fatherfucker" was not used. There may
have been homosexual slaveowners, but I have never heard about
that.
The word has been misunderstood in (Danish) intellectual circles
to refer to an immature person that "hangs in his mother's
skirts" as we say in Danish.
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Bertel, Denmark
James Hogg
Nov 6, 2013, 4:50:20 AM11/6/13
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Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> Gus skrev:
>
>> why doesn't anyone ever call another person a "father fucker"?
>> Would that not be worse-- at least to a male-- adding a homosexual
>> intensifier?
>
> The explanation of the word "motherfucker" (one word, no hyphen), one
> which I believe is true, is that the word was used by children of a
> slave mother who had been forced to give her master sexual services
> resulting in a pregnancy. The slave children didn't want to refer to
> the slavemaster as "father", so they used "motherfucker".
>
> This explains in part why "fatherfucker" was not used. There may have
> been homosexual slaveowners, but I have never heard about that.
I don't think this is the (sole) origin of "motherfucker" but it
> Gus skrev:
>
>> why doesn't anyone ever call another person a "father fucker"?
>> Would that not be worse-- at least to a male-- adding a homosexual
>> intensifier?
>
> The explanation of the word "motherfucker" (one word, no hyphen), one
> which I believe is true, is that the word was used by children of a
> slave mother who had been forced to give her master sexual services
> resulting in a pregnancy. The slave children didn't want to refer to
> the slavemaster as "father", so they used "motherfucker".
>
> This explains in part why "fatherfucker" was not used. There may have
> been homosexual slaveowners, but I have never heard about that.
certainly has this connotation for some people. Robert E. Conot writes
in "Rivers of Blood":
"Even the word motherfucker takes on different connotation. For the
white it is the image of incest; for the Negro it is the picture of a
white man lying with a black woman who is his, the Negro's, mother."
--
James
CDB
Nov 6, 2013, 6:20:15 AM11/6/13
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Gus
Nov 6, 2013, 6:44:24 AM11/6/13
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Gus
Nov 6, 2013, 6:50:44 AM11/6/13
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On Wednesday, November 6, 2013 4:50:20 AM UTC-5, James Hogg wrote:
> "Even the word motherfucker takes on different connotation. For the
> white it is the image of incest; for the Negro it is the picture of a
> white man lying with a black woman who is his, the Negro's, mother.
>
> --
one positive aeffect of this is eventually there will be just one race. UKLG says this in the Lathe of Heaven novel, or was it the movie?
> "Even the word motherfucker takes on different connotation. For the
> white it is the image of incest; for the Negro it is the picture of a
> white man lying with a black woman who is his, the Negro's, mother.
>
> --
we are headed that way, though need to get more chinese and japanese on board.
Cheryl
Nov 6, 2013, 7:03:55 AM11/6/13
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fight over.
--
Cheryl
Gus
Nov 6, 2013, 9:08:17 AM11/6/13
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Reinhold {Rey} Aman
Nov 6, 2013, 1:01:55 PM11/6/13
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Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
>
> The explanation of the word "motherfucker" (one word, no hyphen),
> one which I believe is true, is that the word was used by
> children of a slave mother who had been forced to give her
> master sexual services resulting in a pregnancy. The slave
> children didn't want to refer to the slavemaster as "father",
> so they used "motherfucker".
>
Total nonsense!
>
> The explanation of the word "motherfucker" (one word, no hyphen),
> one which I believe is true, is that the word was used by
> children of a slave mother who had been forced to give her
> master sexual services resulting in a pregnancy. The slave
> children didn't want to refer to the slavemaster as "father",
> so they used "motherfucker".
>
--
~~~ Reinhold {Rey} Aman ~~~
John Varela
Nov 6, 2013, 1:17:02 PM11/6/13
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On Wed, 6 Nov 2013 12:03:55 UTC, Cheryl <cper...@mun.ca> wrote:
> At which point, humans being human, we'll find some other difference to
> fight over.
Religion is useful for the purpose.
> At which point, humans being human, we'll find some other difference to
> fight over.
--
John Varela
Cheryl
Nov 6, 2013, 1:24:24 PM11/6/13
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don't like some of our neighbours and anyway they're getting a better
deal out of life than we are and that's unfair. Or else our problems are
their fault.
--
Cheryl
Bertel Lund Hansen
Nov 6, 2013, 1:50:17 PM11/6/13
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John Varela skrev:
>> At which point, humans being human, we'll find some other difference to
>> fight over.
> Religion is useful for the purpose.
I thought that language would be an obvious option.
--
Bertel, Denmark
>> At which point, humans being human, we'll find some other difference to
>> fight over.
> Religion is useful for the purpose.
--
Bertel, Denmark
John Varela
Nov 6, 2013, 1:56:01 PM11/6/13
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On Wed, 6 Nov 2013 09:50:20 UTC, James Hogg <Jas....@gOUTmail.com>
wrote:
> I don't think this is the (sole) origin of "motherfucker" but it
> certainly has this connotation for some people. Robert E. Conot writes
> in "Rivers of Blood":
>
> "Even the word motherfucker takes on different connotation. For the
> white it is the image of incest; for the Negro it is the picture of a
> white man lying with a black woman who is his, the Negro's, mother."
The Spanish word for "goat" is "cabra". Add the suffix -ón to get
cabrón, which means a "big goat", or a billy goat. Goats are
notoriously incestuous, so to call a man a cabrón is essentially the
same as calling him a motherfucker in the first sense above.
So I don't see the need to invoke slavery as the origin of the term.
--
John Varela
wrote:
> I don't think this is the (sole) origin of "motherfucker" but it
> certainly has this connotation for some people. Robert E. Conot writes
> in "Rivers of Blood":
>
> "Even the word motherfucker takes on different connotation. For the
> white it is the image of incest; for the Negro it is the picture of a
> white man lying with a black woman who is his, the Negro's, mother."
cabrón, which means a "big goat", or a billy goat. Goats are
notoriously incestuous, so to call a man a cabrón is essentially the
same as calling him a motherfucker in the first sense above.
So I don't see the need to invoke slavery as the origin of the term.
--
John Varela
Jenn
Nov 6, 2013, 2:06:53 PM11/6/13
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women or the body parts of women? I rarely ever see a woman using such
words although it probably happens.
--
Jenn
Bertel Lund Hansen
Nov 6, 2013, 2:08:39 PM11/6/13
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John Varela skrev:
> The Spanish word for "goat" is "cabra". Add the suffix -ón to get
> cabrón, which means a "big goat", or a billy goat. Goats are
> notoriously incestuous, so to call a man a cabrón is essentially the
> same as calling him a motherfucker in the first sense above.
You explain that "cabrón" is derogative, and from that you
conclude that "motherfucker" may not have been invented by the
slaves.
--
Bertel, Denmark
> The Spanish word for "goat" is "cabra". Add the suffix -ón to get
> cabrón, which means a "big goat", or a billy goat. Goats are
> notoriously incestuous, so to call a man a cabrón is essentially the
> same as calling him a motherfucker in the first sense above.
conclude that "motherfucker" may not have been invented by the
slaves.
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Bertel, Denmark
Mike L
Nov 6, 2013, 5:05:34 PM11/6/13
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across cultures, if surprisingly absent from some.
--
Mike.
Gus
Nov 6, 2013, 8:14:33 PM11/6/13
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On Wednesday, November 6, 2013 2:06:53 PM UTC-5, Jenn wrote:
> question: Why do so many curse words that men fling at other men reference
>
> women or the body parts of women? I rarely ever see a woman using such
> words although it probably happens.
> --
cocksucker is also popular, though I'd say MF is the goto when mad... women seem to like to use bitch.
> question: Why do so many curse words that men fling at other men reference
>
> women or the body parts of women? I rarely ever see a woman using such
> words although it probably happens.
> --
I've noticed when in a group of women, there will be a nice pleasant conversation, but when one of the women leave, the other women will say "isn't she such a bitch"? Guys don't do that-- they will call each other assholes to their faces.
R H Draney
Nov 6, 2013, 9:37:05 PM11/6/13
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Peter T. Daniels filted:
And then came this:
http://youtu.be/48XreePDi8k
....r
--
Me? Sarcastic?
Yeah, right.
>
>On Tuesday, November 5, 2013 8:53:40 PM UTC-5, Gus wrote:
>
>>why doesn't anyone ever call another person a "father fucker"? Would that not
>>be worse-- at least to a male-- adding a homosexual intensifier?
>
>Isn't there something along those lines in *Alice's Restaurant"?
"Father-raper", that one....
>On Tuesday, November 5, 2013 8:53:40 PM UTC-5, Gus wrote:
>
>>why doesn't anyone ever call another person a "father fucker"? Would that not
>>be worse-- at least to a male-- adding a homosexual intensifier?
>
>Isn't there something along those lines in *Alice's Restaurant"?
And then came this:
http://youtu.be/48XreePDi8k
....r
--
Me? Sarcastic?
Yeah, right.
Gus
Nov 6, 2013, 10:44:34 PM11/6/13
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On Wednesday, November 6, 2013 9:37:05 PM UTC-5, R H Draney wrote:
> And then came this:
>
> http://youtu.be/48XreePDi8k
I saw that with my nephew... That song made me squirm a bit.
> And then came this:
>
> http://youtu.be/48XreePDi8k
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Peter T. Daniels
Nov 6, 2013, 11:34:06 PM11/6/13
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On Wednesday, November 6, 2013 11:16:48 PM UTC-5, Lewis wrote:
> In message <l5d3cs$p4h$3...@dont-email.me>
> "false racist" etymologies like the ridiculous "picnic"?
And now, "Redskin." (I haven't heard about "picnic"? I don't know the
origin of "pickaninny," for that matter, but I'd suspect a West African
language.)
> In message <l5d3cs$p4h$3...@dont-email.me>
> James Hogg <Jas....@gOUTmail.com> wrote:
> > "Even the word motherfucker takes on different connotation. For the
> > white it is the image of incest; for the Negro it is the picture of a
> > white man lying with a black woman who is his, the Negro's, mother."
>
> Is there any actual evidence of this, or i it another one of those
> > "Even the word motherfucker takes on different connotation. For the
> > white it is the image of incest; for the Negro it is the picture of a
> > white man lying with a black woman who is his, the Negro's, mother."
>
> "false racist" etymologies like the ridiculous "picnic"?
And now, "Redskin." (I haven't heard about "picnic"? I don't know the
origin of "pickaninny," for that matter, but I'd suspect a West African
language.)
James Hogg
Nov 7, 2013, 2:07:41 AM11/7/13
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Lewis wrote:
> In message <l5d3cs$p4h$3...@dont-email.me> James Hogg
> <Jas....@gOUTmail.com> wrote:
> In message <l5d3cs$p4h$3...@dont-email.me> James Hogg
> <Jas....@gOUTmail.com> wrote:
> Is there any actual evidence of this, or i it another one of those
> "false racist" etymologies like the ridiculous "picnic"?
I found the quotation in Jesse Sheidlower's "The F Word". It just
> "false racist" etymologies like the ridiculous "picnic"?
confirms that some people read connotations of the slavery era into the
word, but there is no evidence whatever that the word originated there.
It seems wholly improbable to me.
--
James
R H Draney
Nov 7, 2013, 4:07:38 AM11/7/13
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Gus filted:
"What do you expect? They're Canadians"....r
John Varela
Nov 7, 2013, 9:31:44 PM11/7/13
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that it need not have been. Or maybe they picked it up from the
overseers and found it useful.
--
John Varela
Bertel Lund Hansen
Nov 8, 2013, 5:05:03 AM11/8/13
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John Varela skrev:
> That's correct. I didn't say it was not invented by slaves, I said
> that it need not have been. Or maybe they picked it up from the
> overseers and found it useful.
One reason that I believe that slaves invented the word, is that
it so obviously fills a need for that group, and I don't see any
other group that has the same need.
--
Bertel, Denmark
> That's correct. I didn't say it was not invented by slaves, I said
> that it need not have been. Or maybe they picked it up from the
> overseers and found it useful.
it so obviously fills a need for that group, and I don't see any
other group that has the same need.
--
Bertel, Denmark
Cheryl
Nov 8, 2013, 6:29:15 AM11/8/13
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word, and for every society with a ban on incest which includes
mother-child relationships, that term would be an obvious choice.
--
Cheryl
Leslie Danks
Nov 8, 2013, 6:39:56 AM11/8/13
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--
Les (BrE)
CDB
Nov 8, 2013, 7:23:30 AM11/8/13
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pain or frustration can be satisfied by kicking over the table or by
violating a strong verbal taboo. The latter presents a smaller physical
risk in many situations.
Mother-son incest is a very strong old taboo.
Bertel Lund Hansen
Nov 8, 2013, 8:44:59 AM11/8/13
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Cheryl skrev:
> Every person who wants to insult another person has a need for a rude
> word, and for every society with a ban on incest which includes
> mother-child relationships, that term would be an obvious choice.
It has not been obvious enough to have appeared in Danish,
German, Norwegian, Swedish until we learned it from the English
word. Do you think incest is more common in America than in those
countries?
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Bertel, Denmark
> Every person who wants to insult another person has a need for a rude
> word, and for every society with a ban on incest which includes
> mother-child relationships, that term would be an obvious choice.
German, Norwegian, Swedish until we learned it from the English
word. Do you think incest is more common in America than in those
countries?
--
Bertel, Denmark
Peter T. Daniels
Nov 8, 2013, 9:08:23 AM11/8/13
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in those countries?
Bertel Lund Hansen
Nov 8, 2013, 9:39:33 AM11/8/13
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Bertel Lund Hansen skrev:
> It has not been obvious enough to have appeared in Danish,
> German, Norwegian, Swedish until we learned it from the English
> word.
I might add that to my knowledge it has not been used in an
incest meaning.
--
Bertel, Denmark
> It has not been obvious enough to have appeared in Danish,
> German, Norwegian, Swedish until we learned it from the English
> word.
incest meaning.
--
Bertel, Denmark
Jenn
Nov 8, 2013, 10:32:23 AM11/8/13
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--
Jenn
Jenn
Nov 8, 2013, 10:46:14 AM11/8/13
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is a general consensus that the female is somehow considered to be less
human in many ways, thus, using terms that are taken from female references
in a derogatory manner is considered the ultimate slur.
Why?
--
Jenn
Gus
Nov 8, 2013, 11:18:20 AM11/8/13
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On Friday, November 8, 2013 9:39:33 AM UTC-5, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> I might add that to my knowledge it has not been used in an
> incest meaning.
> --
If a woman has a child, isn't anyone that has sex with her in a sense a mother fucker? (Between lovers the F-word is not always pejorative, but sometimes used provocatively.)
> I might add that to my knowledge it has not been used in an
> incest meaning.
> --
Gus
Nov 8, 2013, 11:37:42 AM11/8/13
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On Friday, November 8, 2013 6:29:15 AM UTC-5, Cheryl wrote:
> Every person who wants to insult another person has a need for a rude
> word, and for every society with a ban on incest which includes
> mother-child relationships, that term would be an obvious choice.
> --
Reminds me of the episode of Six Feet Under, where siblings Billy and Brenda are sitting around talking. Brenda had recently walked in on their mother and her lover, and this conversation ensues between the siblings:
> Every person who wants to insult another person has a need for a rude
> word, and for every society with a ban on incest which includes
> mother-child relationships, that term would be an obvious choice.
> --
Brenda: [about their mother] I already left a message saying I was coming over. So if she wants me to walk in on more fucking, that's her choice.
Billy: I can do it for you if you feel like you've seen enough of Mom's pussy for a few days.
Brenda: Who could ever see too much of Mom's pussy? It's like a trip down memory lane.
John Ritson
Nov 8, 2013, 11:42:02 AM11/8/13
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In article <l5il41$ggn$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, CDB <belle...@gmail.com>
writes
Oedipus, Schmedipus. He's a good boy. He loves his mother.
--
John Ritson
writes
--
John Ritson
Gus
Nov 8, 2013, 11:48:21 AM11/8/13
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On Friday, November 8, 2013 10:46:14 AM UTC-5, Jenn wrote:
> I tend to believe that foul language slurs females more often because there
> is a general consensus that the female is somehow considered to be less
> human in many ways, thus, using terms that are taken from female references in a derogatory manner is considered the ultimate slur.
>
>
> Why?
> --
>
> Jenn
Gay men suffer this too.
> I tend to believe that foul language slurs females more often because there
> is a general consensus that the female is somehow considered to be less
> human in many ways, thus, using terms that are taken from female references in a derogatory manner is considered the ultimate slur.
>
>
> Why?
> --
>
> Jenn
Jenn
Nov 8, 2013, 12:43:48 PM11/8/13
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Gus wrote:
> On Friday, November 8, 2013 10:46:14 AM UTC-5, Jenn wrote:
>
>> I tend to believe that foul language slurs females more often
>> because there
>> is a general consensus that the female is somehow considered to be
>> less
>> human in many ways, thus, using terms that are taken from female
>> references in a derogatory manner is considered the ultimate slur.
>>
>>
>> Why?
>
> On Friday, November 8, 2013 10:46:14 AM UTC-5, Jenn wrote:
>
>> I tend to believe that foul language slurs females more often
>> because there
>> is a general consensus that the female is somehow considered to be
>> less
>> human in many ways, thus, using terms that are taken from female
>> references in a derogatory manner is considered the ultimate slur.
>>
>>
>> Why?
>
> Gay men suffer this too.
Do they? {takes notes}
--
Jenn
Jenn
Nov 8, 2013, 12:51:34 PM11/8/13
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Did it start 100's of years ago when women were chattle or in more recent
history? I've never understood why those words are used that way.
--
Jenn
Jerry Friedman
Nov 8, 2013, 1:01:23 PM11/8/13
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Incest More Common Than Thought In US
By the way, I understand that "sisterfucker" (/bhenchod/, variously
spelled) and "motherfucker" (/madarchod/) are common insults in
Hindi and probably other Indian languages.
I'd need to see very good evidence for the slave etymology before I
believed it.
--
Jerry Friedman
Peter T. Daniels
Nov 8, 2013, 1:19:19 PM11/8/13
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On Friday, November 8, 2013 12:43:48 PM UTC-5, Jenn wrote:
> Gus wrote:
> > On Friday, November 8, 2013 10:46:14 AM UTC-5, Jenn wrote:
> >> I tend to believe that foul language slurs females more often
> >> because there
> >> is a general consensus that the female is somehow considered to be
> >> less
> >> human in many ways, thus, using terms that are taken from female
> >> references in a derogatory manner is considered the ultimate slur.
>
> Gus wrote:
> > On Friday, November 8, 2013 10:46:14 AM UTC-5, Jenn wrote:
> >> I tend to believe that foul language slurs females more often
> >> because there
> >> is a general consensus that the female is somehow considered to be
> >> less
> >> human in many ways, thus, using terms that are taken from female
> >> references in a derogatory manner is considered the ultimate slur.
>
> > Gay men suffer this too.
>
> Do they? {takes notes}
Q.E.D. (a while ago).
>
> Do they? {takes notes}
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Richard Yates
Nov 8, 2013, 2:12:12 PM11/8/13
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used as curse words?
Jenn
Nov 8, 2013, 2:38:40 PM11/8/13
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curse words.
--
Jenn
Gus
Nov 8, 2013, 3:07:36 PM11/8/13
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On Friday, November 8, 2013 12:51:34 PM UTC-5, Jenn wrote:
> btw .. I wish someone knew why female body parts are used as curse words.
> Did it start 100's of years ago when women were chattle or in more recent
> history? I've never understood why those words are used that way.
> --
What lady parts? Please be specific, and provide pictures. Seriously, can't all the naughty bits be used that way? M or F?
> btw .. I wish someone knew why female body parts are used as curse words.
> Did it start 100's of years ago when women were chattle or in more recent
> history? I've never understood why those words are used that way.
> --
How are you today? Hope no one has cursed at you using lady parts.
Jenn
Nov 8, 2013, 3:26:58 PM11/8/13
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Gus wrote:
> On Friday, November 8, 2013 12:51:34 PM UTC-5, Jenn wrote:
>
>> btw .. I wish someone knew why female body parts are used as curse
>> words. Did it start 100's of years ago when women were chattle or in
>> more recent history? I've never understood why those words are used
>> that way. --
>
>
> What lady parts? Please be specific, and provide pictures.
> Seriously, can't all the naughty bits be used that way? M or F?
I suppose.
> On Friday, November 8, 2013 12:51:34 PM UTC-5, Jenn wrote:
>
>> btw .. I wish someone knew why female body parts are used as curse
>> words. Did it start 100's of years ago when women were chattle or in
>> more recent history? I've never understood why those words are used
>> that way. --
>
>
> What lady parts? Please be specific, and provide pictures.
> Seriously, can't all the naughty bits be used that way? M or F?
> How are you today? Hope no one has cursed at you using lady parts.
--
Jenn
Gus
Nov 8, 2013, 3:50:03 PM11/8/13
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On Friday, November 8, 2013 3:26:58 PM UTC-5, Jenn wrote:
> > How are you today? Hope no one has cursed at you using lady parts.
>
> I'm good. You?
> --
kinda cold and meh... but I think I will survive.
> > How are you today? Hope no one has cursed at you using lady parts.
>
> I'm good. You?
> --
Jenn
Nov 8, 2013, 4:04:37 PM11/8/13
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Jenn
John Varela
Nov 8, 2013, 4:16:23 PM11/8/13
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mother. The mother isn't there to hear the insult; the son is, and
he's the target. This applies not only to M-F but also to SOB and to
more inaginative insults such as the common "Your mama is so
[whatever] she [something insulting to the mother]" format.
--
John Varela
Jenn
Nov 8, 2013, 4:20:41 PM11/8/13
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or just a common slam to get a reaction?
--
Jenn
Cheryl
Nov 8, 2013, 4:52:03 PM11/8/13
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I don't know enough about the other languages to comment on their
speakers' choices.
--
Cheryl
John Varela
Nov 9, 2013, 10:19:55 PM11/9/13
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On Fri, 8 Nov 2013 21:20:41 UTC, "Jenn"
<therealm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> John Varela wrote:
> > A common way to insult a man is to say something bad about his
> > mother. The mother isn't there to hear the insult; the son is, and
> > he's the target. This applies not only to M-F but also to SOB and to
> > more inaginative insults such as the common "Your mama is so
> > [whatever] she [something insulting to the mother]" format.
>
> Do men actually take that as an insult against their mothers, or themselves,
> or just a common slam to get a reaction?
I believe in general it's the former, with the man being aroused to
defend his mother. I'd like to hear what other men think.
--
John Varela
<therealm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> John Varela wrote:
> > A common way to insult a man is to say something bad about his
> > mother. The mother isn't there to hear the insult; the son is, and
> > he's the target. This applies not only to M-F but also to SOB and to
> > more inaginative insults such as the common "Your mama is so
> > [whatever] she [something insulting to the mother]" format.
>
> Do men actually take that as an insult against their mothers, or themselves,
> or just a common slam to get a reaction?
defend his mother. I'd like to hear what other men think.
--
John Varela
arminoacid
Nov 10, 2013, 4:33:03 AM11/10/13
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On 06/11/2013 05:23, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 5, 2013 8:53:40 PM UTC-5, Gus wrote:
>
>> why doesn't anyone ever call another person a "father fucker"? Would that not be worse-- at least to a male-- adding a homosexual intensifier?
>
> Isn't there something along those lines in *Alice's Restaurant"?
>
>> btw, should "mother fucker" be one contiguous word, hyphenated, or separated into two words?
>
> One word.
>
My son called me that recently. Couldn't argue with him, he was right.
> On Tuesday, November 5, 2013 8:53:40 PM UTC-5, Gus wrote:
>
>> why doesn't anyone ever call another person a "father fucker"? Would that not be worse-- at least to a male-- adding a homosexual intensifier?
>
> Isn't there something along those lines in *Alice's Restaurant"?
>
>> btw, should "mother fucker" be one contiguous word, hyphenated, or separated into two words?
>
> One word.
>
My son called me that recently. Couldn't argue with him, he was right.
Evan Kirshenbaum
Nov 10, 2013, 5:26:41 PM11/10/13
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Reinhold {Rey} Aman <am...@sonic.net> writes:
> Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
>>
>> The explanation of the word "motherfucker" (one word, no hyphen),
>> one which I believe is true, is that the word was used by children
>> of a slave mother who had been forced to give her master sexual
>> services resulting in a pregnancy. The slave children didn't want
>> to refer to the slavemaster as "father", so they used
>> "motherfucker".
>>
> Total nonsense!
Ahley Montagu, in his 1967 _The Anatomy of Swearing_ says that it was
relatively recent:
The word _motherfucker_ first appears in print in the 1960s. In
speech it is not much older. It would seem to be an American
Negro invention, and in the mid-1960s it had just reached other
parts of the English-speaking world.
It would strain credibility for it to have been coined during slavery
and not noticed for nearly a century. Montagu also notes that the
word, in combination such as "mean motherfucker" or "tough
motherfucker" was (and is) complimentary, which is a bit unlikely for
a term thought of as "raping slaveowner".
--
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> Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
>>
>> The explanation of the word "motherfucker" (one word, no hyphen),
>> one which I believe is true, is that the word was used by children
>> of a slave mother who had been forced to give her master sexual
>> services resulting in a pregnancy. The slave children didn't want
>> to refer to the slavemaster as "father", so they used
>> "motherfucker".
>>
> Total nonsense!
Ahley Montagu, in his 1967 _The Anatomy of Swearing_ says that it was
relatively recent:
The word _motherfucker_ first appears in print in the 1960s. In
speech it is not much older. It would seem to be an American
Negro invention, and in the mid-1960s it had just reached other
parts of the English-speaking world.
It would strain credibility for it to have been coined during slavery
and not noticed for nearly a century. Montagu also notes that the
word, in combination such as "mean motherfucker" or "tough
motherfucker" was (and is) complimentary, which is a bit unlikely for
a term thought of as "raping slaveowner".
--
Evan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------
Still with HP Labs |The law of supply and demand tells us
SF Bay Area (1982-) |that when the price of something is
Chicago (1964-1982) |artificially set below market level,
|there will soon be none of that thing
evan.kir...@gmail.com |left--as you may have noticed the
|last time you tried to buy something
http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ |for nothing.
| P.J. O'Rourke
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