As it turned out, it was a beautiful - if somewhat chilly for Florida
- day and we could sit outside on the deck and watch the air boats
roar around the river destroying the ecosystem. The only gators were
on the menu, and none of the other customers got into knife fights or
were noticed spitting on the floor.
This being my first Boink, I was somewhat surprised. I expected a
conversation centering around aue people, aue subjects, and a
comparison of the way we say "cot", "caught", "Mary", "merry", and
"marry". Very little of any that entered the conversation. It turns
out that aue people are normal human beings that have normal
conversations. Who would have guessed?
Quite a nice outing.
--
Provider of Jots, Tittles and the occasional "Oy!"
Tony Cooper aka tony_cooper213 at yahoo.com
> It was my pleasure today to have lunch with Sharon and Bob Lieblich.
> I attempted to set a new low in respectability of Boink sites by
> picking The Lone Cabbage Fish Camp & Bar on Highway 520 and the St.
> Johns River.
That brought a nostalgic tear to my eye ...
--
Skitt (in SF Bay Area) http://www.geocities.com/opus731/
I speak English well -- I learn it from a book!
-- Manuel (Fawlty Towers)
Return of the sweeping generalizations. You may want to circumscribe
that. Except if you really expect all to believe you really think it.
I think it's entirely possible to have a normal conversation at a
Boink with Rey, Simon, or Charles. Not probable, but possible.
[...]
> This being my first Boink, I was somewhat surprised. I expected a
> conversation centering around aue people, aue subjects, and a
> comparison of the way we say "cot", "caught", "Mary", "merry", and
> "marry". Very little of any that entered the conversation.
I wouldn't expect the pronunciation business, but it seems there would
be at least a little bit of "aue people" conversation.
>.....It turns
> out that aue people are normal human beings that have normal
> conversations. [...]
But was the conversation merely "normal"? On the few occassions I've met
or spoken to other AUEers, I have found them rather more interesting
than run-of-the-mill "normal" people. (Not that anyone here is
*ab*normal. No, that's not what I mean. Well, they could be, but that's
still not what I mean. Comprende vd?)
One thing for sure: There should be plenty to talk about when two or
more AUEers are gathered in the name of boinkdom. There are many sides
to this group.
Maria
>On 27 Dec 2002 19:23:32 -0800, azy...@mail.com (mb) wrote:
>
>>Tony Cooper <tony_co...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>> It turns out that aue people are normal human beings that have normal
>>> conversations.
>>
>>Return of the sweeping generalizations. You may want to circumscribe
>>that. Except if you really expect all to believe you really think it.
>
>I think it's entirely possible to have a normal conversation at a
>Boink with Rey, Simon, or Charles. Not probable, but possible.
It isn't possible to hold a normal conversation with me, anywhere. I
only specialise in extraordinary conversations. I'm sure Rey and Simon
do likewise.
--
Charles Riggs
chriggs |at| eircom |dot| com
Glad that you enjoyed with Mr Bob and Mrs Bob!
As a side-note, in his real-world persona, Dr Rey is both a cuddly-wuddly
bear and - as one would expect - a mesmerizing conversationalist. I hope
for a west coaster boink in the coming year.
You'd be speaking through a mouth of broken teeth.
--
Simon R. Hughes
<!-- -->
You were, of course, boinking with experts. I am deeply envious. I am
also mildly intrigued that you felt able to make assumptions about
Sharon's teeth and tattoo status.
--
Laura
(emulate St. George for email)
Actually, I try not to hold any kind of conversation with anyone.
>Tony Cooper wrote:
>
>[...]
>> This being my first Boink, I was somewhat surprised. I expected a
>> conversation centering around aue people, aue subjects, and a
>> comparison of the way we say "cot", "caught", "Mary", "merry", and
>> "marry". Very little of any that entered the conversation.
>
>I wouldn't expect the pronunciation business, but it seems there would
>be at least a little bit of "aue people" conversation.
An interesting observation. I say "very little of any (of) that" and
you say (I would expect) "at least a little bit". Yes, a few names
were mentioned. The only one I will put a name to is "Sis".
>>.....It turns
>> out that aue people are normal human beings that have normal
>> conversations. [...]
>
>But was the conversation merely "normal"? On the few occassions I've met
>or spoken to other AUEers, I have found them rather more interesting
>than run-of-the-mill "normal" people.
Point-of-view thing. I consider a "normal" conversation to be a good
thing. The meaning, to me, is that the conversation is not forced,
that the subject matter is not deliberately chosen to impress, and
that none of the parties are trying to out-do the others. A "normal"
conversation - in my mind - runs from the mundane to the very
interesting, but runs freely and unaffectedly.
Would you mind repeating that?
--
Good luck and good sailing.
s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat
http://kerrydeare.tripod.com
I am reminded of the financial analyst I heard last evening. He was
discussing a company that "covered all the quadrants of the marketplace". I
am almost certain he was referring to 5 or 6 "quadrants."
I don't have anything against a (broadly defined) fruitful
discourse, but the mere prospect of having a conversation, with all
of the associations the word conjures, turns me off.
I suspect that I'm either too jaded or too old (pick one or both) to aim so
high. "Good morning" from a nameless neighbor seems to me an acceptable
compromise in times like these.
More than probable, I'd say. Wasn't thinking of them. I, for one, can't talk.
Well if you're going to go around threatening to knock out people's
teeth, you're going to find casual conversations a bit difficult to
hold. Fruitful discussions sound a bit queer. Not that there's
anything wrong with that.
Yes, but your "that" referred to:
...aue people, aue subjects, and a comparison of the way we say "cot",
"caught", "Mary", "merry", and "marry."
I was referring only to the "aue people" part. So my "little bit" was
not the same as your "very little."
>..... Yes, a few names
> were mentioned. The only one I will put a name to is "Sis".
>
>>> .....It turns
>>> out that aue people are normal human beings that have normal
>>> conversations. [...]
>>
>> But was the conversation merely "normal"? On the few occassions I've
>> met or spoken to other AUEers, I have found them rather more
>> interesting than run-of-the-mill "normal" people.
>
> Point-of-view thing. I consider a "normal" conversation to be a good
> thing. The meaning, to me, is that the conversation is not forced,
> that the subject matter is not deliberately chosen to impress, and
> that none of the parties are trying to out-do the others. A "normal"
> conversation - in my mind - runs from the mundane to the very
> interesting, but runs freely and unaffectedly.
Your definition of a "normal" conversation is not too different from
mine except: When the conversation rises to "interesting" and "fun" and
all the good adjectives, it ceases being "normal" to me. And since the
face-to-face or telephone conversations I've had with AUEers were
definitely interesting, etc., on the whole, I would not call them
"normal" conversation.
To the non-US folks here: See? It isn't just transpondial or
other-pondial differences that cause speakers of English to
misunderstand each other. Here we have two American Midwesterners (Tony
was raised in Indiana; I live in Michigan) whose words puzzle each
other.
So it's more than a location thing. I think it's a reading-related
thing, myself. Some folks here just read posts more carefully than
others do, at least some of the time. I was going to say that a certain
sex reads more carefully than a certain other sex, but thought better of
it. It would no doubt be misread.
Maria
>>>
>>> But was the conversation merely "normal"? On the few occassions I've
>>> met or spoken to other AUEers, I have found them rather more
>>> interesting than run-of-the-mill "normal" people.
>>
>> Point-of-view thing. I consider a "normal" conversation to be a good
>> thing. The meaning, to me, is that the conversation is not forced,
>> that the subject matter is not deliberately chosen to impress, and
>> that none of the parties are trying to out-do the others. A "normal"
>> conversation - in my mind - runs from the mundane to the very
>> interesting, but runs freely and unaffectedly.
>
>Your definition of a "normal" conversation is not too different from
>mine except: When the conversation rises to "interesting" and "fun" and
>all the good adjectives, it ceases being "normal" to me. And since the
>face-to-face or telephone conversations I've had with AUEers were
>definitely interesting, etc., on the whole, I would not call them
>"normal" conversation.
Brilliant conversations - the kind that people in television and
movies participate in - are almost non-existant in real life. The
television/movie conversations don't have the "ummm/errrs" and they
always think of the best reply during the conversation instead of
later. My best lines always occur to me the next morning while I'm
shaving.
The best conversationalists are people that don't make you feel you
have to be brilliant to keep up. When you get that "I must be
brilliant" feeling in a conversation, that's when you start to force
things and not listen. You concentrate too much on coming up with
your next sparkling line that you don't listen to what the other
person is saying.
I can be funny, and I can be clever. I am the least funny and the
least clever when I feel some sort of need to be funny or clever and
that I'm expected to be either funny or clever.
Can you imagine the pressure that would be on someone like Dorothy
Parker at an afternoon soiree?
Guest: "What do think of Cecil's latest play, Dorothy?"
Dorothy: "I thought it was pretty good."
Stunned silence while everyone searched for hidden meaning and some
buried witticism.
>So it's more than a location thing. I think it's a reading-related
>thing, myself. Some folks here just read posts more carefully than
>others do, at least some of the time. I was going to say that a certain
>sex reads more carefully than a certain other sex, but thought better of
>it. It would no doubt be misread.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
--
> I am reminded of the financial analyst I heard last evening. He was
> discussing a company that "covered all the quadrants of the marketplace". I
> am almost certain he was referring to 5 or 6 "quadrants."
Some years ago I had to repeatedly stamp out the phrase "eight cardinal
points" (meaning N, NE, E, SE, etc.) from drafts of a specification.
--
John Varela
What am I missing? Do you mean that there are only two "sides"
represented here?
Maria
Slow on the uptake right now.
>Brilliant conversations - the kind that people in television and
>movies participate in - are almost non-existant in real life. The
>television/movie conversations don't have the "ummm/errrs" and they
>always think of the best reply during the conversation instead of
>later. My best lines always occur to me the next morning while I'm
>shaving.
>
That's one of the beauties of usenet: one has time to compose
responses.
Do you think I might sparkle more if I resumed shaving?
PB
No. I took your phrasing as precise, and the financial analyst's as
muddled. For some reason the comparison seemed worth noting. Of course
that was then, and this is now.
BTW Maria, good luck with the medical thing.
And now it's later, and I somehow get what you mean. Don't ask for a
lucid explanation, though. That would kill it right then and there.
>
> BTW Maria, good luck with the medical thing.
Well, thank you! It will be something new for me, never having had
surgery before. I can't say I'm looking forward to it, though.
Maria
The "I shoulda said...." thought-striking effect can occur during any
routine morning ablution or activity. All that is necessary is that
the mind be on cruise control.
L'esprit de l'escalier, n'est-ce pas? Perhaps it should be l'esprit du
lavabo?
A perfect example of something to which I have no immediate reply.
Unfortunately, nothing more brilliant than "Say what?" is likely to
occur to me in the morning.
The problem with Usenet is that someone else has usually snuck in with
my snappy reply before I get the chance.
The "brilliant conversations" to which you refer, in movies and on TV,
are performances, rather than conversations. For me, the most satisfying
conversation is not one of perfectly framed sallies and ripostes but one
that sparks off interesting ideas, offers me new ways of thinking or
provides me with new insights about the conversant(s). Wit, humour and
flirting are important ingredients for an entertaining, but perhaps more
superficial, conversation. Theodore Zeldin has written an interesting
book, "Conversation: How Talk can Change our Lives."
I hate having my body attacked in any sort of way. I can understand your
apprehension. I wish you the best of luck.
--
Skitt (in SF Bay Area) http://www.geocities.com/opus731/
I speak English well -- I learn it from a book!
-- Manuel (Fawlty Towers)
I'm not a medical doctor. I have been a practicing skeptic ever since
George C. Scott cinematically laid down the guidelines.
Maria, ignore this post.
Oooooo. Snappy comeback. Don't it smart?
Chalk one up for Spira...
Paying *close* attention to this one,
GJV
Segments. It took me a while, but finally came up with segments
as a common English word used to divide up a metaphorical 2D space,
such that each element (a grouping of similar but not identical things)
has some continuity with its neighbors.
Of course segment does not come with the concept that
the last segment is related to the first, but that is not always wanted.
Does segment imply only two neighbors?
Are there some good words for 3D metaphorical spaces?
-- ---------------------------------------------
Richard Maurer To reply, remove half
Sunnyvale, California of a homonym of a synonym for also.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>The "I shoulda said...." thought-striking effect can occur during any
>>routine morning ablution or activity. All that is necessary is that
>>the mind be on cruise control.
> L'esprit de l'escalier, n'est-ce pas? Perhaps it should be l'esprit du
> lavabo?
For me, it's more like l'esprit du log off.
Mary
What post?
And now that I'm back doing business at the same old stand, allow
me, please, to reciprocate.
> I attempted to set a new low in respectability of Boink sites by
> picking The Lone Cabbage Fish Camp & Bar on Highway 520 and the St.
> Johns River. I told Bob that I would recognize them since Sharon
> would be the only woman there with all her teeth and untattooed.
You gotta give Tony credit. This was SOME place. Sharon spend
about ten minutes searching the menu for any hint of a green
vegetable and finally ordered frogs' legs by applying her usual
impeccable logic -- frogs are green, right?
Still, there was this one pub at the end of the Boxing Day 1997
boink that in my estimation matched The Lone Cabbage effortlessly.
> As it turned out, it was a beautiful - if somewhat chilly for Florida
> - day and we could sit outside on the deck and watch the air boats
> roar around the river destroying the ecosystem. The only gators were
> on the menu, and none of the other customers got into knife fights or
> were noticed spitting on the floor.
It did take me a while to figure out how to stop the waitress from
bringing a new bottle of beer before I'd even finished the one I was
working on. A very interesting drive it was back to where we were
staying.
<Following paragraph for Skitt only> We stayed in an apartment at
the northern edge of Satellite Beach. Lovely view of the ocean, but
the highs rarely got above 55F. Not a decent bagel to be found, and
the best restaurants we located were a Mexican place and a
bring-your-own-tattoo place somewhere in Melbourne. I'll take the
Bay Area any day.
> This being my first Boink, I was somewhat surprised. I expected a
> conversation centering around aue people, aue subjects, and a
> comparison of the way we say "cot", "caught", "Mary", "merry", and
> "marry". Very little of any that entered the conversation. It turns
> out that aue people are normal human beings that have normal
> conversations. Who would have guessed?
Well, it was a very small boink. Sharon, a veteran of no fewer than
three (counting this one), remarked afterwards that she missed the
usual chat about fake Indian gurus and what ever happened to Markus
Laker and why can't you say "Everyone should bring their textbooks
to class." It begins to appear that even AUE regulars have other
interests. And Sharon wants me to thank Tony for directions to the
Orlando discount malls -- but, having driven her there and back,
I've decided not to.
> Quite a nice outing.
Agreed. I enjoyed the resulting thread, and its meanderings, as
well, but the boink's the thing.
--
Bob Lieblich
Not totally displeased to be back
> <Following paragraph for Skitt only> We stayed in an apartment at
> the northern edge of Satellite Beach. Lovely view of the ocean, but
> the highs rarely got above 55F. Not a decent bagel to be found, and
> the best restaurants we located were a Mexican place and a
> bring-your-own-tattoo place somewhere in Melbourne. I'll take the
> Bay Area any day.
I see -- you were just south of Cocoa Beach.
You must have missed Alma's, Bernard's Surf, Yen Yen, The Mango Tree (that
one is the classiest in Cocoa Beach), and Cafe Margaux in Cocoa Village.
Did you try the alligator basket at The Lone Cabbage?
Yeah, but on the other side of Patrick AFB. We kept it very local
most of the time.
As to which, I must confess that there were a couple of days in
there when we pretty much did nothing but snooze. I remember
interrupting one afternoon nap so I could get to bed for the night.
It's not as if we felt we were missing anything.
>
> You must have missed Alma's, Bernard's Surf, Yen Yen, The Mango Tree (that
> one is the classiest in Cocoa Beach), and Cafe Margaux in Cocoa Village.
Now he tells me. (My fault. I should have asked before leaving.
All of those places were probably no more than 15 minutes up the
coast.)
>
> Did you try the alligator basket at The Lone Cabbage?
Hey, weaving alligator isn't that easy.
Actual answer -- I thought about it, but the waitress said it tasted
like chicken. I've eaten chicken, thank you. (If Martians
domesticated animals for food, do you suppose they -- the animals,
not the Martians -- 'd taste like chicken?) Mrs. Bob really did
have the frogs' legs. I had a huge platter of fried catfish and
fried side dishes. You obviously don't go there for your health.
And I had the feeling that Sharon and I were the only people whose
home was more than a half-hour drive away.
So much for never visiting Florida again.
--
Bob Lieblich
Glad to be home but still wanting to go back
>>> <Following paragraph for Skitt only> We stayed in an apartment at
>>> the northern edge of Satellite Beach. Lovely view of the ocean, but
>>> the highs rarely got above 55F. Not a decent bagel to be found, and
>>> the best restaurants we located were a Mexican place and a
>>> bring-your-own-tattoo place somewhere in Melbourne. I'll take the
>>> Bay Area any day.
>>
>> I see -- you were just south of Cocoa Beach.
>
> Yeah, but on the other side of Patrick AFB. We kept it very local
> most of the time.
Oh, OK. Close to Melbourne Beach and Melbourne. Melbourne Beach is the
more interesting locale of the two, and for some evening entertainment
there's the Sebastian Beach Inn not too far off to the south, right on the
beach.
> As to which, I must confess that there were a couple of days in
> there when we pretty much did nothing but snooze. I remember
> interrupting one afternoon nap so I could get to bed for the night.
> It's not as if we felt we were missing anything.
>>
>> You must have missed Alma's, Bernard's Surf, Yen Yen, The Mango Tree
>> (that one is the classiest in Cocoa Beach), and Cafe Margaux in
>> Cocoa Village.
> Now he tells me. (My fault. I should have asked before leaving.
> All of those places were probably no more than 15 minutes up the
> coast.)
If that, except for Cafe Margaux, but Cocoa Village is worth the extra ten
minutes any day.
>> Did you try the alligator basket at The Lone Cabbage?
>
> Hey, weaving alligator isn't that easy.
>
> Actual answer -- I thought about it, but the waitress said it tasted
> like chicken. I've eaten chicken, thank you. (If Martians
> domesticated animals for food, do you suppose they -- the animals,
> not the Martians -- 'd taste like chicken?) Mrs. Bob really did
> have the frogs' legs. I had a huge platter of fried catfish and
> fried side dishes. You obviously don't go there for your health.
No, I went there for the catfish and the
sitting-on-the-porch-and-sucking-suds-while-watching-alligators experience.
I have eated a couple orders of alligator, though, and yes, it tastes
somewhat like chicken, but not quite. It's more of a
now-I-can-brag-about-it thing.
> And I had the feeling that Sharon and I were the only people whose
> home was more than a half-hour drive away.
What? You didn't notice the snowbirds all around you?
> So much for never visiting Florida again.
Hey, if it gets very cold here, I may consider visiting our friends in
Melbourne again.
>Oh, OK. Close to Melbourne Beach and Melbourne. Melbourne Beach is the
>more interesting locale of the two, and for some evening entertainment
>there's the Sebastian Beach Inn not too far off to the south, right on the
>beach.
Bob and Sharon also missed the "no-see-ums" at Sebastian Inlet. Not a
bad trade-off.
>>> Did you try the alligator basket at The Lone Cabbage?
>>
>> Hey, weaving alligator isn't that easy.
>>
>> Actual answer -- I thought about it, but the waitress said it tasted
>> like chicken. I've eaten chicken, thank you. (If Martians
>> domesticated animals for food, do you suppose they -- the animals,
>> not the Martians -- 'd taste like chicken?) Mrs. Bob really did
>> have the frogs' legs. I had a huge platter of fried catfish and
>> fried side dishes. You obviously don't go there for your health.
Everyone says gator tastes like chicken. I've had gator, and I've had
chicken. For a chicken to taste like gator, you'd have to run it
death to toughen it up and soak the chicken in a pail of brackish
water for a few weeks. There's a reason that alligators live for 60
years or more: they are not high on anyone's list of delicacies.
Most gator is eaten so the eater can say they've eaten gator.
> Everyone says gator tastes like chicken. I've had gator, and I've had
> chicken. For a chicken to taste like gator, you'd have to run it
> death to toughen it up and soak the chicken in a pail of brackish
> water for a few weeks. There's a reason that alligators live for 60
> years or more: they are not high on anyone's list of delicacies.
> Most gator is eaten so the eater can say they've eaten gator.
I think gator tastes like fish steak (someday I'd also like to try nutria).
The Martians would probably say 'tastes like human', and then spit.
In Canada, the word "boink" has totally different connonations than
described in this thread. A "boink" that ended disagreeably would
probably cause problems in a relationship.
Bob
The situation is much the same in most of the English-speaking
world, but we soldier on nonetheless.
Though not, on this side of the Pond, with soft-boiled eggs and
marmite.
--
Bob Lieblich
Erstwhile resident of Canada
Oh, I don't know... I wouldn't put it past some people.
Jac
I deny this most emphatically. I do not wibble. I nibble. I
dribble. I do not wibble.
Jacqui wibbles.
This is clearly a case of projection. Calling Dr. Freud.
--
Bob Lieblich
Who does not wibble