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occam
Aug 23, 2021, 4:05:17 AM8/23/21
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This word - quisling - has been in my vocabulary for a while. I was even
aware that it was the name of a person, a WWII collaborator. What
recently surprised me however is that it was the name of Norwegian
politician (Vidkun Abraham Lauritz Jonssøn Quisling).
Given that the word has worked itself into the English language, why
choose a non-English person for the term when there were so many other
candidates nearer home e.g. Oswald Mosley or William Joyce (lord 'Haw
Haw').
The other thought that struck me was - wouldn't it have funny if one of
the alternative names of Quisling (e.g. Jonssøn or Abraham) was used to
describe the act? Brexiting Boris would be remembered as a jonssøn to
future generation of Brits.
aware that it was the name of a person, a WWII collaborator. What
recently surprised me however is that it was the name of Norwegian
politician (Vidkun Abraham Lauritz Jonssøn Quisling).
Given that the word has worked itself into the English language, why
choose a non-English person for the term when there were so many other
candidates nearer home e.g. Oswald Mosley or William Joyce (lord 'Haw
Haw').
The other thought that struck me was - wouldn't it have funny if one of
the alternative names of Quisling (e.g. Jonssøn or Abraham) was used to
describe the act? Brexiting Boris would be remembered as a jonssøn to
future generation of Brits.
Peter Moylan
Aug 23, 2021, 5:40:40 AM8/23/21
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On 23/08/21 19:05, occam wrote:
> The other thought that struck me was - wouldn't it have funny if one
> of the alternative names of Quisling (e.g. Jonssøn or Abraham) was
> used to describe the act? Brexiting Boris would be remembered as a
> jonssøn to future generation of Brits.
Maybe in his own territory, but not so much here. Boris strikes us as a
> The other thought that struck me was - wouldn't it have funny if one
> of the alternative names of Quisling (e.g. Jonssøn or Abraham) was
> used to describe the act? Brexiting Boris would be remembered as a
> jonssøn to future generation of Brits.
Russian name, and the name Johnson brings to mind the Ankh-Morpork
character Bloody Stupid Johnson.
--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org
Athel Cornish-Bowden
Aug 23, 2021, 5:45:38 AM8/23/21
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down the river for personal advancement.
--
Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.
Ross Clark
Aug 23, 2021, 7:47:17 AM8/23/21
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On 23/08/2021 8:05 p.m., occam wrote:
> This word - quisling - has been in my vocabulary for a while. I was even
> aware that it was the name of a person, a WWII collaborator. What
> recently surprised me however is that it was the name of Norwegian
> politician (Vidkun Abraham Lauritz Jonssøn Quisling).
>
> Given that the word has worked itself into the English language, why
> choose a non-English person for the term when there were so many other
> candidates nearer home e.g. Oswald Mosley or William Joyce (lord 'Haw
> Haw').
Those people merely sympathised with or aided and abetted (in a small
> This word - quisling - has been in my vocabulary for a while. I was even
> aware that it was the name of a person, a WWII collaborator. What
> recently surprised me however is that it was the name of Norwegian
> politician (Vidkun Abraham Lauritz Jonssøn Quisling).
>
> Given that the word has worked itself into the English language, why
> choose a non-English person for the term when there were so many other
> candidates nearer home e.g. Oswald Mosley or William Joyce (lord 'Haw
> Haw').
way) a foreign enemy. Quisling fronted a puppet government for an
occupying power. He may have had counterparts in other occupied
countries, but the name is intrinsically suitable -- it sounds like a
word for a contemptible, sneaky person.
Peter T. Daniels
Aug 23, 2021, 7:51:20 AM8/23/21
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On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 4:05:17 AM UTC-4, occam wrote:
> This word - quisling - has been in my vocabulary for a while. I was even
> aware that it was the name of a person, a WWII collaborator. What
> recently surprised me however is that it was the name of Norwegian
> politician (Vidkun Abraham Lauritz Jonssøn Quisling).
>
> Given that the word has worked itself into the English language, why
> choose a non-English person for the term when there were so many other
> candidates nearer home e.g. Oswald Mosley or William Joyce (lord 'Haw
> Haw').
We've had "a Benedict Arnold" a lot longer than we've had "Quisling." He
> This word - quisling - has been in my vocabulary for a while. I was even
> aware that it was the name of a person, a WWII collaborator. What
> recently surprised me however is that it was the name of Norwegian
> politician (Vidkun Abraham Lauritz Jonssøn Quisling).
>
> Given that the word has worked itself into the English language, why
> choose a non-English person for the term when there were so many other
> candidates nearer home e.g. Oswald Mosley or William Joyce (lord 'Haw
> Haw').
was a high-ranking officer in Washington's army (I think he led the victory
at Saratoga?) who switched sides and became a Redcoat.
spains...@gmail.com
Aug 23, 2021, 8:57:14 AM8/23/21
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monikers.
![Peter Duncanson [BrE]'s profile photo](http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/a-/ALV-UjU1GGYFBCZgBCNB-pRgkosMu-ej0qpnECw3jc8uGYOTiF8a=s40-c)
Peter Duncanson [BrE]
Aug 23, 2021, 10:37:42 AM8/23/21
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On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 10:05:13 +0200, occam <nob...@nowhere.nix> wrote:
>This word - quisling - has been in my vocabulary for a while. I was even
>aware that it was the name of a person, a WWII collaborator. What
>recently surprised me however is that it was the name of Norwegian
>politician (Vidkun Abraham Lauritz Jonssøn Quisling).
>
>Given that the word has worked itself into the English language, why
>choose a non-English person for the term when there were so many other
>candidates nearer home e.g. Oswald Mosley or William Joyce (lord 'Haw
>Haw').
It was introduced into English by The Times (of London).
>This word - quisling - has been in my vocabulary for a while. I was even
>aware that it was the name of a person, a WWII collaborator. What
>recently surprised me however is that it was the name of Norwegian
>politician (Vidkun Abraham Lauritz Jonssøn Quisling).
>
>Given that the word has worked itself into the English language, why
>choose a non-English person for the term when there were so many other
>candidates nearer home e.g. Oswald Mosley or William Joyce (lord 'Haw
>Haw').
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quisling
Popularization in World War II
The use of the name as a term for collaborators or traitors in
general probably came about upon Quisling's unsuccessful 1940 coup
d'état, when he attempted to seize power and make Norway cease
resisting the invading Germans. The term was widely introduced to an
English-speaking audience by the British newspaper The Times. It
published an editorial on 19 April 1940 titled "Quislings
everywhere", in which it was asserted that "To writers, the word
Quisling is a gift from the gods. If they had been ordered to invent
a new word for traitor... they could hardly have hit upon a more
brilliant combination of letters. Aurally it contrives to suggest
something at once slippery and tortuous." The Daily Mail picked up
the term four days after The Times editorial was published. The War
Illustrated discussed "potential Quislings" among the Dutch during
the German invasion of the Netherlands. Subsequently, the BBC
brought the word into common use internationally.
....
verb
The back-formed verb, to quisle (/'kw?z?l/) exists, and gave rise
a much less common version of the noun: quisler. However, the verb
form was rare even during World War II and has entirely disappeared
from contemporary usage.
The OED quotes "quisle" used by The Times just three days after it
introduced "quisling".
1940 Times 22 Apr. 8/2 There seem to have been no Quislings,
partly because it was unnecessary to ‘quisle’ in a country which,
as the Nazis have always said ‘could be taken by telephone’.
I think the advantage of Quisling over British alternatives is that
there was much less chance of causing difficulties to others with the
chosen surname.
>
>The other thought that struck me was - wouldn't it have funny if one of
>the alternative names of Quisling (e.g. Jonssøn or Abraham) was used to
>describe the act? Brexiting Boris would be remembered as a jonssøn to
>future generation of Brits.
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
Adam Funk
Aug 23, 2021, 10:45:08 AM8/23/21
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On 2021-08-23, Ross Clark wrote:
> On 23/08/2021 8:05 p.m., occam wrote:
>> This word - quisling - has been in my vocabulary for a while. I was even
>> aware that it was the name of a person, a WWII collaborator. What
>> recently surprised me however is that it was the name of Norwegian
>> politician (Vidkun Abraham Lauritz Jonssøn Quisling).
>>
>> Given that the word has worked itself into the English language, why
>> choose a non-English person for the term when there were so many other
>> candidates nearer home e.g. Oswald Mosley or William Joyce (lord 'Haw
>> Haw').
>
> Those people merely sympathised with or aided and abetted (in a small
> way) a foreign enemy. Quisling fronted a puppet government for an
> occupying power.
Pétain --- similar but not identical situation.
> On 23/08/2021 8:05 p.m., occam wrote:
>> This word - quisling - has been in my vocabulary for a while. I was even
>> aware that it was the name of a person, a WWII collaborator. What
>> recently surprised me however is that it was the name of Norwegian
>> politician (Vidkun Abraham Lauritz Jonssøn Quisling).
>>
>> Given that the word has worked itself into the English language, why
>> choose a non-English person for the term when there were so many other
>> candidates nearer home e.g. Oswald Mosley or William Joyce (lord 'Haw
>> Haw').
>
> Those people merely sympathised with or aided and abetted (in a small
> way) a foreign enemy. Quisling fronted a puppet government for an
> occupying power.
> He may have had counterparts in other occupied
> countries, but the name is intrinsically suitable -- it sounds like a
> word for a contemptible, sneaky person.
>
>> The other thought that struck me was - wouldn't it have funny if one of
>> the alternative names of Quisling (e.g. Jonssøn or Abraham) was used to
>> describe the act? Brexiting Boris would be remembered as a jonssøn to
>> future generation of Brits.
>>
>
They do (play, that is), and nobody gets killed, but Metallic K.O. is
the only rock album I know where you can actually hear hurled beer
bottles breaking against guitar strings. ---Lester Bangs
Ken Blake
Aug 23, 2021, 11:59:07 AM8/23/21
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--
Ken
Athel Cornish-Bowden
Aug 23, 2021, 1:06:37 PM8/23/21
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Peter Duncanson [BrE]
Aug 23, 2021, 1:56:41 PM8/23/21
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On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 08:59:03 -0700, Ken Blake <k...@invalidemail.com>
wrote:
Another "-ing" is Mafeking in South Africa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahikeng#Siege_of_Mafeking
At the outbreak of the Second Boer War in 1899, the town was
besieged. The Siege of Mafeking lasted 217 days from October 1899 to
May 1900, and turned Robert Baden-Powell into a national hero. In
September 1904, Lord Roberts unveiled an obelisk at Mafeking bearing
the names of those who fell in defence of the town. British losses
during the siege was 212 people killed, soldiers and civilians, and
more than 600 wounded. Boer losses were significantly higher.
OED:
maffick, v.
Etymology: Back-formation < the place name Mafeking (see below),
treated humorously as a present participle.
The word and its derivatives were common chiefly in the years
immediately following the events of May 1900, but were considered
purely journalistic at that time: N.E.D. (1904) notes s.v. ‘The
words appear to be confined to journalistic use; but we have a large
number of examples from newspapers of all shades of political
opinion’.
intransitive. To celebrate uproariously, rejoice extravagantly, esp.
on an occasion of national celebration (originally the relief of the
British garrison besieged in Mafeking (now Mafikeng), South Africa,
in May 1900). In later use usually with pejorative connotations.
1900 Pall Mall Gaz. 21 May 2/2 We trust Cape Town..will
‘maffick’ to-day, if we may coin a word, as we at home did on
Friday and Saturday.
....
wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahikeng#Siege_of_Mafeking
At the outbreak of the Second Boer War in 1899, the town was
besieged. The Siege of Mafeking lasted 217 days from October 1899 to
May 1900, and turned Robert Baden-Powell into a national hero. In
September 1904, Lord Roberts unveiled an obelisk at Mafeking bearing
the names of those who fell in defence of the town. British losses
during the siege was 212 people killed, soldiers and civilians, and
more than 600 wounded. Boer losses were significantly higher.
OED:
maffick, v.
Etymology: Back-formation < the place name Mafeking (see below),
treated humorously as a present participle.
The word and its derivatives were common chiefly in the years
immediately following the events of May 1900, but were considered
purely journalistic at that time: N.E.D. (1904) notes s.v. ‘The
words appear to be confined to journalistic use; but we have a large
number of examples from newspapers of all shades of political
opinion’.
intransitive. To celebrate uproariously, rejoice extravagantly, esp.
on an occasion of national celebration (originally the relief of the
British garrison besieged in Mafeking (now Mafikeng), South Africa,
in May 1900). In later use usually with pejorative connotations.
1900 Pall Mall Gaz. 21 May 2/2 We trust Cape Town..will
‘maffick’ to-day, if we may coin a word, as we at home did on
Friday and Saturday.
....
occam
Aug 23, 2021, 2:12:56 PM8/23/21
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On 23/08/2021 16:37, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
> 1940 Times 22 Apr. 8/2 There seem to have been no Quislings,
> partly because it was unnecessary to ‘quisle’ in a country which,
> as the Nazis have always said ‘could be taken by telephone’.
I wonder if that is referring to the provenance of the British Royal
> 1940 Times 22 Apr. 8/2 There seem to have been no Quislings,
> partly because it was unnecessary to ‘quisle’ in a country which,
> as the Nazis have always said ‘could be taken by telephone’.
family (German stock) or to something a bit more specific, like Edward
III & Mrs. Simpson's covert visits to Nazi Germany?
spains...@gmail.com
Aug 23, 2021, 3:51:23 PM8/23/21
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took up with Moll Simpson.
occam
Aug 23, 2021, 4:16:01 PM8/23/21
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quisling Edward's number.
spains...@gmail.com
Aug 23, 2021, 4:46:26 PM8/23/21
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of an Edward VIII post box in SE London.
occam
Aug 23, 2021, 6:02:31 PM8/23/21
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Peter Moylan
Aug 23, 2021, 9:21:13 PM8/23/21
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It's interesting that quisle doesn't rhyme with misle.
Athel Cornish-Bowden
Aug 24, 2021, 2:02:43 AM8/24/21
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On 2021-08-23 22:02:26 +0000, occam said:
> On 23/08/2021 22:46, spains...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 9:16:01 PM UTC+1, occam wrote:
>>> On 23/08/2021 21:51, spains...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 7:12:56 PM UTC+1, occam wrote:
>>>>> On 23/08/2021 16:37, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
>>>>>> 1940 Times 22 Apr. 8/2 There seem to have been no Quislings,
>>>>>> partly because it was unnecessary to ‘quisle’ in a country which,
>>>>>> as the Nazis have always said ‘could be taken by telephone’.
>>>>> I wonder if that is referring to the provenance of the British Royal
>>>>> family (German stock) or to something a bit more specific, like Edward
>>>>> III & Mrs. Simpson's covert visits to Nazi Germany?
>>>>
>>>> It is well known that Edward III left the battlefield of Crecy and
>>>> took up with Moll Simpson.
>>>>
>>> A 'V' (up yours) to you Harrison. That's what's missing from the
>>> quisling Edward's number.
>>
>> If you had been following my posts,
Why on earth would anyone do that?
> On 23/08/2021 22:46, spains...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 9:16:01 PM UTC+1, occam wrote:
>>> On 23/08/2021 21:51, spains...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 7:12:56 PM UTC+1, occam wrote:
>>>>> On 23/08/2021 16:37, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
>>>>>> 1940 Times 22 Apr. 8/2 There seem to have been no Quislings,
>>>>>> partly because it was unnecessary to ‘quisle’ in a country which,
>>>>>> as the Nazis have always said ‘could be taken by telephone’.
>>>>> I wonder if that is referring to the provenance of the British Royal
>>>>> family (German stock) or to something a bit more specific, like Edward
>>>>> III & Mrs. Simpson's covert visits to Nazi Germany?
>>>>
>>>> It is well known that Edward III left the battlefield of Crecy and
>>>> took up with Moll Simpson.
>>>>
>>> A 'V' (up yours) to you Harrison. That's what's missing from the
>>> quisling Edward's number.
>>
>> If you had been following my posts,
>> you would know the location
>> of an Edward VIII post box in SE London.
>>
>
> I haven't, I shan't, I can't be arsed.
J. J. Lodder
Aug 24, 2021, 5:43:37 AM8/24/21
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because the Germans didn't trust them.
Instead they almost immediately made Seyss-Inquart (an Austrian Nazi)
Reichskommissar for the Netherlands,
with full powers to run the country.
Jan
CDB
Aug 24, 2021, 7:37:56 AM8/24/21
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On 8/24/2021 2:02 AM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> occam said:
>> spains...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> occam wrote:
>>>> spains...@gmail.com wrote:
> Why on earth would anyone do that?
Don't know about following. I read them, if they're not tl. It seems
that you read some of them yourself.
>>> you would know the location of an Edward VIII post box in SE
>>> London.
>> I haven't, I shan't, I can't be arsed.
*(I suppose that was a sort of arsk.)
> occam said:
>> spains...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> occam wrote:
>>>> spains...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> occam wrote:
>>>>>> Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
>>>>>>> 1940 Times 22 Apr. 8/2 There seem to have been no
>>>>>>> Quislings, partly because it was unnecessary to ‘quisle’
>>>>>>> in a country which, as the Nazis have always said ‘could
>>>>>>> be taken by telephone’.
>>>>>> I wonder if that is referring to the provenance of the
>>>>>> British Royal family (German stock) or to something a bit
>>>>>> more specific, like Edward III & Mrs. Simpson's covert
>>>>>> visits to Nazi Germany?
>>>>> It is well known that Edward III left the battlefield of
>>>>> Crecy and took up with Moll Simpson.
>>>> A 'V' (up yours) to you Harrison. That's what's missing from
>>>> the quisling Edward's number.
>>> If you had been following my posts,[*]
>>>>>> Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
>>>>>>> 1940 Times 22 Apr. 8/2 There seem to have been no
>>>>>>> Quislings, partly because it was unnecessary to ‘quisle’
>>>>>>> in a country which, as the Nazis have always said ‘could
>>>>>>> be taken by telephone’.
>>>>>> I wonder if that is referring to the provenance of the
>>>>>> British Royal family (German stock) or to something a bit
>>>>>> more specific, like Edward III & Mrs. Simpson's covert
>>>>>> visits to Nazi Germany?
>>>>> It is well known that Edward III left the battlefield of
>>>>> Crecy and took up with Moll Simpson.
>>>> A 'V' (up yours) to you Harrison. That's what's missing from
>>>> the quisling Edward's number.
> Why on earth would anyone do that?
that you read some of them yourself.
>>> you would know the location of an Edward VIII post box in SE
>>> London.
>> I haven't, I shan't, I can't be arsed.
Peter T. Daniels
Aug 24, 2021, 9:41:28 AM8/24/21
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been heard here since the 1950s or so. Whereas
"Benedict Arnold" remains current knowledge.
Tony Cooper
Aug 24, 2021, 10:25:29 AM8/24/21
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US)" prompts me to see if there's any truth to that.
I guess you have to say that Maureen Dowd, a _New York Times_
columnist, is not in the US, then.
https://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/Op-Ed/2021/08/10/Maureen-Dowd-The-quislings-of-Albany/stories/202108100022
And this New Hampshire letter-to-the-editor writer must not be writing
from the US.
https://www.concordmonitor.com/-41976837
And the _National Review_ is not a US publication:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/08/michael-m-thomas-rip/
Using Google and search-in-news turned up these articles.
Using the same search for "Benedict Arnold" provide no US hits about
current issues. Just historical articles.
--
Tony Cooper Orlando Florida
Peter T. Daniels
Aug 24, 2021, 10:38:29 AM8/24/21
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On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 10:25:29 AM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 06:41:25 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 9:21:13 PM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:
> >> On 24/08/21 02:59, Ken Blake wrote:
> >> > On 8/23/2021 7:37 AM, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
> >> >> The OED quotes "quisle" used by The Times just three days after it
> >> >> introduced "quisling".
> >> >> 1940 Times 22 Apr. 8/2 There seem to have been no Quislings,
> >> >> partly because it was unnecessary to ‘quisle’ in a country which,
> >> >> as the Nazis have always said ‘could be taken by telephone’.
> >> > That reminds me of "Do you like Kipling?"
> >> I ain't never quisled.
> >> It's interesting that quisle doesn't rhyme with misle.
> >Does anyone in BrE-world still use "quisling"? It hasn't
> >been heard here since the 1950s or so. Whereas
> >"Benedict Arnold" remains current knowledge.
>
> As usual, a post from you that something "hasn't been heard (in the
> US)" prompts me to see if there's any truth to that.
>
Fuck off, asshole.
> On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 06:41:25 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 9:21:13 PM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:
> >> On 24/08/21 02:59, Ken Blake wrote:
> >> > On 8/23/2021 7:37 AM, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
> >> >> The OED quotes "quisle" used by The Times just three days after it
> >> >> introduced "quisling".
> >> >> 1940 Times 22 Apr. 8/2 There seem to have been no Quislings,
> >> >> partly because it was unnecessary to ‘quisle’ in a country which,
> >> >> as the Nazis have always said ‘could be taken by telephone’.
> >> > That reminds me of "Do you like Kipling?"
> >> I ain't never quisled.
> >> It's interesting that quisle doesn't rhyme with misle.
> >Does anyone in BrE-world still use "quisling"? It hasn't
> >been heard here since the 1950s or so. Whereas
> >"Benedict Arnold" remains current knowledge.
>
> As usual, a post from you that something "hasn't been heard (in the
> US)" prompts me to see if there's any truth to that.
>
Though finally you're admitting that you only do this to be a nasty bully.
Are you EVER going to learn how conversation works? How generalizations
are made?
> I guess you have to say that Maureen Dowd, a _New York Times_
> columnist, is not in the US, then.
> https://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/Op-Ed/2021/08/10/Maureen-Dowd-The-quislings-of-Albany/stories/202108100022
> Using the same search for "Benedict Arnold" provide no US hits about
> current issues. Just historical articles.
people will continue to play on the normal playing-field.
Tony Cooper
Aug 24, 2021, 11:07:50 AM8/24/21
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On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 07:38:26 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
false statement and then claiming it's a "generalization".
>
>Though finally you're admitting that you only do this to be a nasty bully.
I prefer to think that this type of post from me alerts other readers
that your statements are not to be accepted as facts.
I don't even feel that Quisling and Arnold are comparable in the
public's knowledge. Quisling was a collaborator. Arnold changed
sides.
>
>Are you EVER going to learn how conversation works? How generalizations
>are made?
>
>> I guess you have to say that Maureen Dowd, a _New York Times_
>> columnist, is not in the US, then.
>
>The US would be better off if she weren't.
>
>> https://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/Op-Ed/2021/08/10/Maureen-Dowd-The-quislings-of-Albany/stories/202108100022
>
>> Using the same search for "Benedict Arnold" provide no US hits about
>> current issues. Just historical articles.
>
>You go ahead and move the goalposts as far as you want. Normal
>people will continue to play on the normal playing-field.
<gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 10:25:29 AM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 06:41:25 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
>> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> >On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 9:21:13 PM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:
>> >> On 24/08/21 02:59, Ken Blake wrote:
>> >> > On 8/23/2021 7:37 AM, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
>
>> >> >> The OED quotes "quisle" used by The Times just three days after it
>> >> >> introduced "quisling".
>> >> >> 1940 Times 22 Apr. 8/2 There seem to have been no Quislings,
>> >> >> partly because it was unnecessary to ‘quisle’ in a country which,
>> >> >> as the Nazis have always said ‘could be taken by telephone’.
>> >> > That reminds me of "Do you like Kipling?"
>> >> I ain't never quisled.
>> >> It's interesting that quisle doesn't rhyme with misle.
>> >Does anyone in BrE-world still use "quisling"? It hasn't
>> >been heard here since the 1950s or so. Whereas
>> >"Benedict Arnold" remains current knowledge.
>>
>> As usual, a post from you that something "hasn't been heard (in the
>> US)" prompts me to see if there's any truth to that.
>>
>Fuck off, asshole.
Rather typical response from you when you are caught out making a
>On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 10:25:29 AM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 06:41:25 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
>> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> >On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 9:21:13 PM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:
>> >> On 24/08/21 02:59, Ken Blake wrote:
>> >> > On 8/23/2021 7:37 AM, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
>
>> >> >> The OED quotes "quisle" used by The Times just three days after it
>> >> >> introduced "quisling".
>> >> >> 1940 Times 22 Apr. 8/2 There seem to have been no Quislings,
>> >> >> partly because it was unnecessary to ‘quisle’ in a country which,
>> >> >> as the Nazis have always said ‘could be taken by telephone’.
>> >> > That reminds me of "Do you like Kipling?"
>> >> I ain't never quisled.
>> >> It's interesting that quisle doesn't rhyme with misle.
>> >Does anyone in BrE-world still use "quisling"? It hasn't
>> >been heard here since the 1950s or so. Whereas
>> >"Benedict Arnold" remains current knowledge.
>>
>> As usual, a post from you that something "hasn't been heard (in the
>> US)" prompts me to see if there's any truth to that.
>>
>Fuck off, asshole.
false statement and then claiming it's a "generalization".
>
>Though finally you're admitting that you only do this to be a nasty bully.
that your statements are not to be accepted as facts.
I don't even feel that Quisling and Arnold are comparable in the
public's knowledge. Quisling was a collaborator. Arnold changed
sides.
>
>Are you EVER going to learn how conversation works? How generalizations
>are made?
>
>> I guess you have to say that Maureen Dowd, a _New York Times_
>> columnist, is not in the US, then.
>
>The US would be better off if she weren't.
>
>> https://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/Op-Ed/2021/08/10/Maureen-Dowd-The-quislings-of-Albany/stories/202108100022
>
>> Using the same search for "Benedict Arnold" provide no US hits about
>> current issues. Just historical articles.
>
>You go ahead and move the goalposts as far as you want. Normal
>people will continue to play on the normal playing-field.
Kerr-Mudd, John
Aug 24, 2021, 11:19:13 AM8/24/21
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On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 07:38:26 -0700 (PDT)
Due to the US being a small part of the British Empire's history, (and possibly because it's embarrassing), we UK residents don't get taught about Mathew Arnold at school; clearly it's more of a thing in the US.
> > I guess you have to say that Maureen Dowd, a _New York Times_
> > columnist, is not in the US, then.
>
> The US would be better off if she weren't.
>
> > https://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/Op-Ed/2021/08/10/Maureen-Dowd-The-quislings-of-Albany/stories/202108100022
>
> > Using the same search for "Benedict Arnold" provide no US hits about
> > current issues. Just historical articles.
>
> You go ahead and move the goalposts as far as you want. Normal
> people will continue to play on the normal playing-field.
You are left-field. Again.
--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.
"Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 10:25:29 AM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
> > On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 06:41:25 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> > <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > >On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 9:21:13 PM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:
> > >> On 24/08/21 02:59, Ken Blake wrote:
> > >> > On 8/23/2021 7:37 AM, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
>
> > >> >> The OED quotes "quisle" used by The Times just three days after it
> > >> >> introduced "quisling".
> > >> >> 1940 Times 22 Apr. 8/2 There seem to have been no Quislings,
> > >> >> partly because it was unnecessary to ‘quisle’ in a country which,
> > >> >> as the Nazis have always said ‘could be taken by telephone’.
> > >> > That reminds me of "Do you like Kipling?"
> > >> I ain't never quisled.
> > >> It's interesting that quisle doesn't rhyme with misle.
> > >Does anyone in BrE-world still use "quisling"? It hasn't
> > >been heard here since the 1950s or so. Whereas
> > >"Benedict Arnold" remains current knowledge.
> >
> > As usual, a post from you that something "hasn't been heard (in the
> > US)" prompts me to see if there's any truth to that.
> >
> Fuck off, asshole.
Steady now.
> On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 10:25:29 AM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
> > On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 06:41:25 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> > <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > >On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 9:21:13 PM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:
> > >> On 24/08/21 02:59, Ken Blake wrote:
> > >> > On 8/23/2021 7:37 AM, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
>
> > >> >> The OED quotes "quisle" used by The Times just three days after it
> > >> >> introduced "quisling".
> > >> >> 1940 Times 22 Apr. 8/2 There seem to have been no Quislings,
> > >> >> partly because it was unnecessary to ‘quisle’ in a country which,
> > >> >> as the Nazis have always said ‘could be taken by telephone’.
> > >> > That reminds me of "Do you like Kipling?"
> > >> I ain't never quisled.
> > >> It's interesting that quisle doesn't rhyme with misle.
> > >Does anyone in BrE-world still use "quisling"? It hasn't
> > >been heard here since the 1950s or so. Whereas
> > >"Benedict Arnold" remains current knowledge.
> >
> > As usual, a post from you that something "hasn't been heard (in the
> > US)" prompts me to see if there's any truth to that.
> >
> Fuck off, asshole.
>
> Though finally you're admitting that you only do this to be a nasty bully.
>
> Are you EVER going to learn how conversation works? How generalizations
> are made?
>
Generalisations should be ... generally applicable.
> Though finally you're admitting that you only do this to be a nasty bully.
>
> Are you EVER going to learn how conversation works? How generalizations
> are made?
>
Due to the US being a small part of the British Empire's history, (and possibly because it's embarrassing), we UK residents don't get taught about Mathew Arnold at school; clearly it's more of a thing in the US.
> > I guess you have to say that Maureen Dowd, a _New York Times_
> > columnist, is not in the US, then.
>
> The US would be better off if she weren't.
>
> > https://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/Op-Ed/2021/08/10/Maureen-Dowd-The-quislings-of-Albany/stories/202108100022
>
> > Using the same search for "Benedict Arnold" provide no US hits about
> > current issues. Just historical articles.
>
> You go ahead and move the goalposts as far as you want. Normal
> people will continue to play on the normal playing-field.
--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.
Jerry Friedman
Aug 24, 2021, 11:39:18 AM8/24/21
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On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 9:19:13 AM UTC-6, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 07:38:26 -0700 (PDT)
> "Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 10:25:29 AM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
> > > On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 06:41:25 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
...
> On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 07:38:26 -0700 (PDT)
> "Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 10:25:29 AM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
> > > On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 06:41:25 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> > > >Does anyone in BrE-world still use "quisling"? It hasn't
> > > >been heard here since the 1950s or so. Whereas
> > > >"Benedict Arnold" remains current knowledge.
> > >
> > > As usual, a post from you that something "hasn't been heard (in the
> > > US)" prompts me to see if there's any truth to that.
> > Though finally you're admitting that you only do this to be a nasty bully.
> >
> > Are you EVER going to learn how conversation works? How generalizations
> > are made?
> >
> Generalisations should be ... generally applicable.
> Due to the US being a small part of the British Empire's history, (and possibly because it's embarrassing), we UK residents don't get taught about Mathew Arnold at school; clearly it's more of a thing in the US.
--
Jerry Friedman
Adam Funk
Aug 24, 2021, 11:45:06 AM8/24/21
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Arnold than Benedict Arnold. (I don't think they were related.)
>
>> > I guess you have to say that Maureen Dowd, a _New York Times_
>> > columnist, is not in the US, then.
>>
>> The US would be better off if she weren't.
>>
>> > https://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/Op-Ed/2021/08/10/Maureen-Dowd-The-quislings-of-Albany/stories/202108100022
>>
>> > Using the same search for "Benedict Arnold" provide no US hits about
>> > current issues. Just historical articles.
>>
>> You go ahead and move the goalposts as far as you want. Normal
>> people will continue to play on the normal playing-field.
>
> You are left-field. Again.
>
--
arguments, and they always win them.
---Klingon Programmer's Guide
Peter T. Daniels
Aug 24, 2021, 11:57:45 AM8/24/21
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On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 11:07:50 AM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 07:38:26 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 10:25:29 AM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
> >> On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 06:41:25 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> >> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> >Does anyone in BrE-world still use "quisling"? It hasn't
> >> >been heard here since the 1950s or so. Whereas
> >> >"Benedict Arnold" remains current knowledge.
> >> As usual, a post from you that something "hasn't been heard (in the
> >> US)" prompts me to see if there's any truth to that.
> >Fuck off, asshole.
>
> Rather typical response from you when you are caught out making a
> false statement and then claiming it's a "generalization".
Do you really think that anyone here -- including yourself -- did not
> On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 07:38:26 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 10:25:29 AM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
> >> On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 06:41:25 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> >> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> >Does anyone in BrE-world still use "quisling"? It hasn't
> >> >been heard here since the 1950s or so. Whereas
> >> >"Benedict Arnold" remains current knowledge.
> >> As usual, a post from you that something "hasn't been heard (in the
> >> US)" prompts me to see if there's any truth to that.
> >Fuck off, asshole.
>
> Rather typical response from you when you are caught out making a
> false statement and then claiming it's a "generalization".
understand perfectly what I was saying?
Stop being a nasty asshole bully.
> >Though finally you're admitting that you only do this to be a nasty bully.
>
> I prefer to think that this type of post from me alerts other readers
> that your statements are not to be accepted as facts.
occam
Aug 24, 2021, 12:00:18 PM8/24/21
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Defendant: My missus thinks so, M'lud.
Peter T. Daniels
Aug 24, 2021, 12:03:15 PM8/24/21
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On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 11:19:13 AM UTC-4, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> Due to the US being a small part of the British Empire's history,
you wish
> Due to the US being a small part of the British Empire's history,
> (and possibly because it's embarrassing), we UK residents don't get
> taught about Mathew Arnold at school; clearly it's more of a thing in the US.
Literature class Over There? At least one of his poems figures in US high
school curricula. Maybe even more than one.
> > You go ahead and move the goalposts as far as you want. Normal
> > people will continue to play on the normal playing-field.
>
> You are left-field. Again.
than is your wont, but that bit of word salad takes the cake.
spains...@gmail.com
Aug 24, 2021, 12:23:49 PM8/24/21
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On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 9:05:17 AM UTC+1, occam wrote:
> This word - quisling - has been in my vocabulary for a while. I was even
> aware that it was the name of a person, a WWII collaborator. What
> recently surprised me however is that it was the name of Norwegian
> politician (Vidkun Abraham Lauritz Jonssøn Quisling).
>
> Given that the word has worked itself into the English language, why
> choose a non-English person for the term when there were so many other
> candidates nearer home e.g. Oswald Mosley or William Joyce (lord 'Haw
> Haw').
>
> This word - quisling - has been in my vocabulary for a while. I was even
> aware that it was the name of a person, a WWII collaborator. What
> recently surprised me however is that it was the name of Norwegian
> politician (Vidkun Abraham Lauritz Jonssøn Quisling).
>
> Given that the word has worked itself into the English language, why
> choose a non-English person for the term when there were so many other
> candidates nearer home e.g. Oswald Mosley or William Joyce (lord 'Haw
> Haw').
>
> The other thought that struck me was - wouldn't it have funny if one of
> the alternative names of Quisling (e.g. Jonssøn or Abraham) was used to
> describe the act? Brexiting Boris would be remembered as a jonssøn to
> future generation of Brits.
Can I lighten the mood in this thread by reviving the old-English noun
> the alternative names of Quisling (e.g. Jonssøn or Abraham) was used to
> describe the act? Brexiting Boris would be remembered as a jonssøn to
> future generation of Brits.
"quinling" - which describes someone who cannot resist complaining about
Brexit?
Athel? Occam?
There are subjects of importance that extend beyond our own navels.
Tony Cooper
Aug 24, 2021, 12:29:18 PM8/24/21
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being challenged.
Maureen Dowd's article clearly presents the reason that she labels the
politicians in Albany "quislings" (collaborators).
For those who aren't familiar with US politics, Albany is the New York
state capital and the article is about politicians in Albany that
enabled the (now former) Governor of New York and his abusive
practices. She is not labeling them as "traitors" or "turncoats".
She did not compare them to Gen Benedict Arnold, who was considered to
be a "traitor" or "turncoat" becase he changed sides during our
Revolutionary War.
Any responsible writer would know when to compare a current figure to
Viktun Quisling and when to compare a current figure to Benedict
Arnold. The word "quisling" is used in the US, and has been used in
the US, to describe a collaborator since WWII.
It's been applied to some members of Trump's administration:
https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/175187. While not mentioned in
this article, Bill Barr comes to mind.
A search of "Trump's quislings" will provide several current usages of
the word.
The goal posts remain firmly in place. The term is in current use,
and applied where applicable.
Tony Cooper
Aug 24, 2021, 12:34:38 PM8/24/21
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On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 08:57:42 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
You said "quisling" hasn't been heard here since the 1950s. It has.
>
>Stop being a nasty asshole bully.
>
>> >Though finally you're admitting that you only do this to be a nasty bully.
>>
>> I prefer to think that this type of post from me alerts other readers
>> that your statements are not to be accepted as facts.
>
>What you "prefer to think," as usual, has little to do with reality.
<gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 11:07:50 AM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 07:38:26 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
>> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 10:25:29 AM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 06:41:25 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
>> >> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> >> >Does anyone in BrE-world still use "quisling"? It hasn't
>> >> >been heard here since the 1950s or so. Whereas
>> >> >"Benedict Arnold" remains current knowledge.
>> >> As usual, a post from you that something "hasn't been heard (in the
>> >> US)" prompts me to see if there's any truth to that.
>> >Fuck off, asshole.
>>
>> Rather typical response from you when you are caught out making a
>> false statement and then claiming it's a "generalization".
>
>Do you really think that anyone here -- including yourself -- did not
>understand perfectly what I was saying?
Yes. I understood you perfectly, and you were wrong.
>On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 11:07:50 AM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 07:38:26 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
>> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 10:25:29 AM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 06:41:25 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
>> >> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> >> >Does anyone in BrE-world still use "quisling"? It hasn't
>> >> >been heard here since the 1950s or so. Whereas
>> >> >"Benedict Arnold" remains current knowledge.
>> >> As usual, a post from you that something "hasn't been heard (in the
>> >> US)" prompts me to see if there's any truth to that.
>> >Fuck off, asshole.
>>
>> Rather typical response from you when you are caught out making a
>> false statement and then claiming it's a "generalization".
>
>Do you really think that anyone here -- including yourself -- did not
>understand perfectly what I was saying?
You said "quisling" hasn't been heard here since the 1950s. It has.
>
>Stop being a nasty asshole bully.
>
>> >Though finally you're admitting that you only do this to be a nasty bully.
>>
>> I prefer to think that this type of post from me alerts other readers
>> that your statements are not to be accepted as facts.
>
>What you "prefer to think," as usual, has little to do with reality.
Kerr-Mudd, John
Aug 24, 2021, 12:40:38 PM8/24/21
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On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 09:03:12 -0700 (PDT)
> > Due to the US being a small part of the British Empire's history,
>
> you wish
>
Like I said, it's a matter of perspective.
> > (and possibly because it's embarrassing), we UK residents don't get
> > taught about Mathew Arnold at school; clearly it's more of a thing in the US.
>
> Embarrassing? How so? Obscure, maybe; what _do_ they teach in English
> Literature class Over There? At least one of his poems figures in US high
> school curricula. Maybe even more than one.
Poems? I'm talkin' History. Oh I see, Benedict v Matthew. Here's a phrase: "I was wrong".
Try it sometime.
>
> > > You go ahead and move the goalposts as far as you want. Normal
> > > people will continue to play on the normal playing-field.
Are you claiming to be the one Normal in this group? Hah.
> >
> > You are left-field. Again.
>
> One might have supposed you couldn't embarrass yourself more
> than is your wont, but that bit of word salad takes the cake.
Does "Off-base?" sound better? I dunno, I tried using a US idiom. OK, I'll go with "out of kilter".
Your one man act of generalising from a *very* limited experience has been exposed time & time again. Will no-one here defend you?
Ah, I see I've fallen into his trap, sorry everyone.
> On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 11:19:13 AM UTC-4, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>
PTD has maliciously snipped his tantrum.
>
> > Due to the US being a small part of the British Empire's history,
>
> you wish
>
> > (and possibly because it's embarrassing), we UK residents don't get
> > taught about Mathew Arnold at school; clearly it's more of a thing in the US.
>
> Embarrassing? How so? Obscure, maybe; what _do_ they teach in English
> Literature class Over There? At least one of his poems figures in US high
> school curricula. Maybe even more than one.
Try it sometime.
>
> > > You go ahead and move the goalposts as far as you want. Normal
> > > people will continue to play on the normal playing-field.
> >
> > You are left-field. Again.
>
> One might have supposed you couldn't embarrass yourself more
> than is your wont, but that bit of word salad takes the cake.
Your one man act of generalising from a *very* limited experience has been exposed time & time again. Will no-one here defend you?
Ah, I see I've fallen into his trap, sorry everyone.
Quinn C
Aug 24, 2021, 1:05:11 PM8/24/21
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* Kerr-Mudd, John:
> On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 09:03:12 -0700 (PDT)
> "Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 11:19:13 AM UTC-4, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>>
>>> You are left-field. Again.
>>
>> One might have supposed you couldn't embarrass yourself more
>> than is your wont, but that bit of word salad takes the cake.
>
> Does "Off-base?" sound better? I dunno, I tried using a US idiom. OK,
> I'll go with "out of kilter".
I suggest "out in left field." I hear it most often in the constellation
"out of/from left field".
--
If men got pregnant, you could get an abortion at an ATM.
-- Selina Mayer, VEEP
> On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 09:03:12 -0700 (PDT)
> "Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 11:19:13 AM UTC-4, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>>
>>> You are left-field. Again.
>>
>> One might have supposed you couldn't embarrass yourself more
>> than is your wont, but that bit of word salad takes the cake.
>
> Does "Off-base?" sound better? I dunno, I tried using a US idiom. OK,
> I'll go with "out of kilter".
"out of/from left field".
--
If men got pregnant, you could get an abortion at an ATM.
-- Selina Mayer, VEEP
Sam Plusnet
Aug 24, 2021, 3:14:30 PM8/24/21
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On 24-Aug-21 16:32, Adam Funk wrote:
> On 2021-08-24, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>> Generalisations should be ... generally applicable. Due to the US
>> being a small part of the British Empire's history, (and possibly
>> because it's embarrassing), we UK residents don't get taught about
>> Mathew Arnold at school; clearly it's more of a thing in the US.
>
> Actually I think you're more likely to have learned about Matthew
> Arnold than Benedict Arnold. (I don't think they were related.)
Uncle Tom Brown's Schooldays?
> On 2021-08-24, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>> Generalisations should be ... generally applicable. Due to the US
>> being a small part of the British Empire's history, (and possibly
>> because it's embarrassing), we UK residents don't get taught about
>> Mathew Arnold at school; clearly it's more of a thing in the US.
>
> Actually I think you're more likely to have learned about Matthew
> Arnold than Benedict Arnold. (I don't think they were related.)
--
Sam Plusnet
Wales, UK
Sam Plusnet
Aug 24, 2021, 3:18:14 PM8/24/21
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On 24-Aug-21 18:05, Quinn C wrote:
> * Kerr-Mudd, John:
>
>> On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 09:03:12 -0700 (PDT)
>> "Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 11:19:13 AM UTC-4, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>>>
>>>> You are left-field. Again.
>>>
>>> One might have supposed you couldn't embarrass yourself more
>>> than is your wont, but that bit of word salad takes the cake.
>>
>> Does "Off-base?" sound better? I dunno, I tried using a US idiom. OK,
>> I'll go with "out of kilter".
>
> I suggest "out in left field." I hear it most often in the constellation
> "out of/from left field".
>
Sounds quite anti-sinisterist to me.
> * Kerr-Mudd, John:
>
>> On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 09:03:12 -0700 (PDT)
>> "Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 11:19:13 AM UTC-4, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>>>
>>>> You are left-field. Again.
>>>
>>> One might have supposed you couldn't embarrass yourself more
>>> than is your wont, but that bit of word salad takes the cake.
>>
>> Does "Off-base?" sound better? I dunno, I tried using a US idiom. OK,
>> I'll go with "out of kilter".
>
> I suggest "out in left field." I hear it most often in the constellation
> "out of/from left field".
>
pensive hamster
Aug 24, 2021, 4:08:33 PM8/24/21
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On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 4:45:06 PM UTC+1, Adam Funk wrote:
> On 2021-08-24, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> > Generalisations should be ... generally applicable. Due to the US
> > being a small part of the British Empire's history, (and possibly
> > because it's embarrassing), we UK residents don't get taught about
> > Mathew Arnold at school; clearly it's more of a thing in the US.
>
> Actually I think you're more likely to have learned about Matthew
> Arnold than Benedict Arnold. (I don't think they were related.)
As a UK resident, I had heard of Benedict Arnold, I thought it was a
> On 2021-08-24, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> > Generalisations should be ... generally applicable. Due to the US
> > being a small part of the British Empire's history, (and possibly
> > because it's embarrassing), we UK residents don't get taught about
> > Mathew Arnold at school; clearly it's more of a thing in the US.
>
> Actually I think you're more likely to have learned about Matthew
> Arnold than Benedict Arnold. (I don't think they were related.)
cocktail. Apparently it is:
https://www.mixology.recipes/cocktails/benedict-arnold
Peter T. Daniels
Aug 24, 2021, 4:52:26 PM8/24/21
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On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 12:29:18 PM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
> PTD popped off without giving any thought to the why his statement is
> being challenged.
>
> Maureen Dowd's article clearly presents the reason that she labels the
> politicians in Albany "quislings" (collaborators).
You mean, she HAD TO EXPLAIN HER typically OBSCURE ALLUSION?
> PTD popped off without giving any thought to the why his statement is
> being challenged.
>
> Maureen Dowd's article clearly presents the reason that she labels the
> politicians in Albany "quislings" (collaborators).
Q.E.D.
Peter T. Daniels
Aug 24, 2021, 4:54:31 PM8/24/21
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On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 12:34:38 PM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 08:57:42 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 11:07:50 AM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
> >> On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 07:38:26 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> >> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 10:25:29 AM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 06:41:25 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> >> >> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >> >> >Does anyone in BrE-world still use "quisling"? It hasn't
> >> >> >been heard here since the 1950s or so. Whereas
> >> >> >"Benedict Arnold" remains current knowledge.
> >> >> As usual, a post from you that something "hasn't been heard (in the
> >> >> US)" prompts me to see if there's any truth to that.
> >> >Fuck off, asshole.
> >> Rather typical response from you when you are caught out making a
> >> false statement and then claiming it's a "generalization".
> >Do you really think that anyone here -- including yourself -- did not
> >understand perfectly what I was saying?
>
> Yes. I understood you perfectly, and you were wrong.
Then if that is what you believe, then obviously, you are wrong:
> On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 08:57:42 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 11:07:50 AM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
> >> On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 07:38:26 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> >> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 10:25:29 AM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 06:41:25 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> >> >> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >> >> >Does anyone in BrE-world still use "quisling"? It hasn't
> >> >> >been heard here since the 1950s or so. Whereas
> >> >> >"Benedict Arnold" remains current knowledge.
> >> >> As usual, a post from you that something "hasn't been heard (in the
> >> >> US)" prompts me to see if there's any truth to that.
> >> >Fuck off, asshole.
> >> Rather typical response from you when you are caught out making a
> >> false statement and then claiming it's a "generalization".
> >Do you really think that anyone here -- including yourself -- did not
> >understand perfectly what I was saying?
>
> Yes. I understood you perfectly, and you were wrong.
you did not understand.
Peter T. Daniels
Aug 24, 2021, 4:56:49 PM8/24/21
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On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 1:05:11 PM UTC-4, Quinn C wrote:
> * Kerr-Mudd, John:
> > On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 09:03:12 -0700 (PDT)
> > "Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 11:19:13 AM UTC-4, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> >>> You are left-field. Again.
> >> One might have supposed you couldn't embarrass yourself more
> >> than is your wont, but that bit of word salad takes the cake.
> > Does "Off-base?" sound better? I dunno, I tried using a US idiom. OK,
> > I'll go with "out of kilter".
>
> I suggest "out in left field." I hear it most often in the constellation
> "out of/from left field".
Certainly not "from." Is that something French Expos broadcasters
> * Kerr-Mudd, John:
> > On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 09:03:12 -0700 (PDT)
> > "Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 11:19:13 AM UTC-4, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> >>> You are left-field. Again.
> >> One might have supposed you couldn't embarrass yourself more
> >> than is your wont, but that bit of word salad takes the cake.
> > Does "Off-base?" sound better? I dunno, I tried using a US idiom. OK,
> > I'll go with "out of kilter".
>
> I suggest "out in left field." I hear it most often in the constellation
> "out of/from left field".
would say?
pensive hamster
Aug 24, 2021, 5:47:10 PM8/24/21
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On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 9:56:49 PM UTC+1, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 1:05:11 PM UTC-4, Quinn C wrote:
> > * Kerr-Mudd, John:
> On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 1:05:11 PM UTC-4, Quinn C wrote:
> > * Kerr-Mudd, John:
> > > On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 09:03:12 -0700 (PDT) "Peter T. Daniels" wrote:
> > >> On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 11:19:13 AM UTC-4, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>
> > >>> You are left-field. Again.
> > >>
> > >> One might have supposed you couldn't embarrass yourself more
> > >> than is your wont, but that bit of word salad takes the cake.
> > >
> > > Does "Off-base?" sound better? I dunno, I tried using a US idiom. OK,
> > > I'll go with "out of kilter".
> >
> > I suggest "out in left field." I hear it most often in the constellation
> > "out of/from left field".
>
> Certainly not "from." Is that something French Expos broadcasters
> would say?
"Off the wall" (meaning wacky, eccentric or unconventional) seemed
> > >> On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 11:19:13 AM UTC-4, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>
> > >>> You are left-field. Again.
> > >>
> > >> One might have supposed you couldn't embarrass yourself more
> > >> than is your wont, but that bit of word salad takes the cake.
> > >
> > > Does "Off-base?" sound better? I dunno, I tried using a US idiom. OK,
> > > I'll go with "out of kilter".
> >
> > I suggest "out in left field." I hear it most often in the constellation
> > "out of/from left field".
>
> Certainly not "from." Is that something French Expos broadcasters
> would say?
to have a brief popularity in the UK a decade or two ago, but I haven't
heard it recently.
Lexico / Oxford says it is informal North American:
https://www.lexico.com/definition/off_the_wall
Quinn C
Aug 24, 2021, 5:53:40 PM8/24/21
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* Peter T. Daniels:
I have no idea what people say in sportsball. I only know these idioms
as metaphors.
| If you say something is "coming from left field" and you are not
| talking baseball, you are implying that it's shocking or random.
<https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/left%20field>
There's also the baseball movies The Kid From Left Field and The Man
From Left Field. Not that I've seen them.
--
Quinn C
My pronouns are they/them
(or other gender-neutral ones)
as metaphors.
| If you say something is "coming from left field" and you are not
| talking baseball, you are implying that it's shocking or random.
<https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/left%20field>
There's also the baseball movies The Kid From Left Field and The Man
From Left Field. Not that I've seen them.
--
Quinn C
My pronouns are they/them
(or other gender-neutral ones)
Snidely
Aug 24, 2021, 9:50:53 PM8/24/21
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On Tuesday, Peter T. Daniels pointed out that ...
Oh, Peter, we don't need more the kindergarten-playground behavior.
/dps
--
Maybe C282Y is simply one of the hangers-on, a groupie following a
future guitar god of the human genome: an allele with undiscovered
virtuosity, currently soloing in obscurity in Mom's garage.
Bradley Wertheim, theAtlantic.com, Jan 10 2013
/dps
--
Maybe C282Y is simply one of the hangers-on, a groupie following a
future guitar god of the human genome: an allele with undiscovered
virtuosity, currently soloing in obscurity in Mom's garage.
Bradley Wertheim, theAtlantic.com, Jan 10 2013
Adam Funk
Aug 25, 2021, 8:30:07 AM8/25/21
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--
The life of a repo man is always intense.
Adam Funk
Aug 25, 2021, 8:30:08 AM8/25/21
to
starting with "Benedict" to match the second ingredient.
--
Ambassador Trentino: "I am willing to do anything to prevent this
war."
President Firefly: "It's too late. I've already paid a month's
rent on the battlefield." _Duck Soup_
Quinn C
Aug 25, 2021, 9:25:49 AM8/25/21
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* Adam Funk:
Force-feed them some L+ yoghurt, that'll learn them!
--
Canada is not the United States. We can't just thump the table
and demand things, and expect everyone to fall in line. We have
to work with other people.
-- Jeffrey Lewis
--
Canada is not the United States. We can't just thump the table
and demand things, and expect everyone to fall in line. We have
to work with other people.
-- Jeffrey Lewis
Peter T. Daniels
Aug 25, 2021, 9:34:23 AM8/25/21
to
Peter T. Daniels
Aug 25, 2021, 9:36:45 AM8/25/21
to
On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 5:53:40 PM UTC-4, Quinn C wrote:
> * Peter T. Daniels:
> > On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 1:05:11 PM UTC-4, Quinn C wrote:
> >> * Kerr-Mudd, John:
> >>> On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 09:03:12 -0700 (PDT)
> >>> "Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >>>> On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 11:19:13 AM UTC-4, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> >>>>> You are left-field. Again.
> >>>> One might have supposed you couldn't embarrass yourself more
> >>>> than is your wont, but that bit of word salad takes the cake.
> >>> Does "Off-base?" sound better? I dunno, I tried using a US idiom. OK,
> >>> I'll go with "out of kilter".
> >> I suggest "out in left field." I hear it most often in the constellation
> >> "out of/from left field".
> > Certainly not "from." Is that something French Expos broadcasters
> > would say?
>
> I have no idea what people say in sportsball. I only know these idioms
> as metaphors.
>
> | If you say something is "coming from left field" and you are not
> | talking baseball, you are implying that it's shocking or random.
> <https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/left%20field>
Yes, but who says that?
> * Peter T. Daniels:
> > On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 1:05:11 PM UTC-4, Quinn C wrote:
> >> * Kerr-Mudd, John:
> >>> On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 09:03:12 -0700 (PDT)
> >>> "Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >>>> On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 11:19:13 AM UTC-4, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> >>>>> You are left-field. Again.
> >>>> One might have supposed you couldn't embarrass yourself more
> >>>> than is your wont, but that bit of word salad takes the cake.
> >>> Does "Off-base?" sound better? I dunno, I tried using a US idiom. OK,
> >>> I'll go with "out of kilter".
> >> I suggest "out in left field." I hear it most often in the constellation
> >> "out of/from left field".
> > Certainly not "from." Is that something French Expos broadcasters
> > would say?
>
> I have no idea what people say in sportsball. I only know these idioms
> as metaphors.
>
> | If you say something is "coming from left field" and you are not
> | talking baseball, you are implying that it's shocking or random.
> <https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/left%20field>
> There's also the baseball movies The Kid From Left Field and The Man
> From Left Field. Not that I've seen them.
Peter T. Daniels
Aug 25, 2021, 9:38:23 AM8/25/21
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On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 9:50:53 PM UTC-4, Snidely wrote:
> Oh, Peter, we don't need more the kindergarten-playground behavior.
Then why don't you tell Cooper to stop trying to prove that every
> Oh, Peter, we don't need more the kindergarten-playground behavior.
generalization I make is not literally true -- or at least to try to
prove that of every generalization that everyone else makes?
Peter T. Daniels
Aug 25, 2021, 9:40:17 AM8/25/21
to
On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 8:30:07 AM UTC-4, Adam Funk wrote:
> On 2021-08-24, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> > On 24-Aug-21 18:05, Quinn C wrote:
> >> * Kerr-Mudd, John:
> On 2021-08-24, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> > On 24-Aug-21 18:05, Quinn C wrote:
> >> * Kerr-Mudd, John:
> >>> I'll go with "out of kilter".
(off kilter)
> >> I suggest "out in left field." I hear it most often in the constellation
> >> "out of/from left field".
> > Sounds quite anti-sinisterist to me.
>
> Dextrose-chauvinist?
Peter T. Daniels
Aug 25, 2021, 9:42:07 AM8/25/21
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On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 8:30:08 AM UTC-4, Adam Funk wrote:
> On 2021-08-24, pensive hamster wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 4:45:06 PM UTC+1, Adam Funk wrote:
> >> Actually I think you're more likely to have learned about Matthew
> >> Arnold than Benedict Arnold. (I don't think they were related.)
> > As a UK resident, I had heard of Benedict Arnold, I thought it was a
> > cocktail. Apparently it is:
> >
>
> > https://www.mixology.recipes/cocktails/benedict-arnold
> I hadn't heard of that. I assume something was just looking for a name
> starting with "Benedict" to match the second ingredient.
There's Benedict "Imagined Communities" Anderson (very influential
> On 2021-08-24, pensive hamster wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 4:45:06 PM UTC+1, Adam Funk wrote:
> >> Actually I think you're more likely to have learned about Matthew
> >> Arnold than Benedict Arnold. (I don't think they were related.)
> > As a UK resident, I had heard of Benedict Arnold, I thought it was a
> > cocktail. Apparently it is:
> >
>
> > https://www.mixology.recipes/cocktails/benedict-arnold
> I hadn't heard of that. I assume something was just looking for a name
> starting with "Benedict" to match the second ingredient.
sociology).
Tony Cooper
Aug 25, 2021, 9:55:59 AM8/25/21
to
such a way that they will not be challenged.
"Americans don't..." is not a generalization. "Americans don't tend
to..." is a generalization, and would not be challenged.
If you would put as much thought into constructing your posts as you
do into defending your mistakes, there would be fewer "fights".
Peter T. Daniels
Aug 25, 2021, 11:56:29 AM8/25/21
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never learned how to use the English language.
Adam Funk
Aug 25, 2021, 12:30:07 PM8/25/21
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there's no reason it couldn't happen.
--
she's as beautiful as a foot,
she heard someone say, the other day
Kerr-Mudd, John
Aug 25, 2021, 12:31:15 PM8/25/21
to
On Wed, 25 Aug 2021 08:56:24 -0700 (PDT)
[For the hard of thinking: Humpty refers to a phrase used by one of Lewis Caroll's characters - "When I use a word it means exactly what I want it to mean"]
"Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 9:55:59 AM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
> > On Wed, 25 Aug 2021 06:38:20 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> > <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > >On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 9:50:53 PM UTC-4, Snidely wrote:
>
> > >> Oh, Peter, we don't need more the kindergarten-playground behavior.
> > >Then why don't you tell Cooper to stop trying to prove that every
> > >generalization I make is not literally true -- or at least to try to
> > >prove that of every generalization that everyone else makes?
> >
> > You have the vocabulary available to phrase your generalizations in
> > such a way that they will not be challenged.
> >
> > "Americans don't..." is not a generalization. "Americans don't tend
> > to..." is a generalization, and would not be challenged.
> >
> > If you would put as much thought into constructing your posts as you
> > do into defending your mistakes, there would be fewer "fights".
>
> It continues to grieve me that over more than 80 years, you have still
> never learned how to use the English language.
You may as well quit then, Humpty.
> On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 9:55:59 AM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
> > On Wed, 25 Aug 2021 06:38:20 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> > <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > >On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 9:50:53 PM UTC-4, Snidely wrote:
>
> > >> Oh, Peter, we don't need more the kindergarten-playground behavior.
> > >Then why don't you tell Cooper to stop trying to prove that every
> > >generalization I make is not literally true -- or at least to try to
> > >prove that of every generalization that everyone else makes?
> >
> > You have the vocabulary available to phrase your generalizations in
> > such a way that they will not be challenged.
> >
> > "Americans don't..." is not a generalization. "Americans don't tend
> > to..." is a generalization, and would not be challenged.
> >
> > If you would put as much thought into constructing your posts as you
> > do into defending your mistakes, there would be fewer "fights".
>
> It continues to grieve me that over more than 80 years, you have still
> never learned how to use the English language.
[For the hard of thinking: Humpty refers to a phrase used by one of Lewis Caroll's characters - "When I use a word it means exactly what I want it to mean"]
Quinn C
Aug 25, 2021, 1:01:22 PM8/25/21
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* Adam Funk:
There must be some drink named after Cumberbatch, come on!
--
It gets hot in Raleigh, but Texas! I don't know why anybody
lives here, honestly.
-- Robert C. Wilson, Vortex (novel), p.220
--
It gets hot in Raleigh, but Texas! I don't know why anybody
lives here, honestly.
-- Robert C. Wilson, Vortex (novel), p.220
Peter T. Daniels
Aug 25, 2021, 5:07:22 PM8/25/21
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On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 1:01:22 PM UTC-4, Quinn C wrote:
> * Adam Funk:
> > On 2021-08-25, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 8:30:08 AM UTC-4, Adam Funk wrote:
> >>> On 2021-08-24, pensive hamster wrote:
> >>> > On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 4:45:06 PM UTC+1, Adam Funk wrote:
> >>> >> Actually I think you're more likely to have learned about Matthew
> >>> >> Arnold than Benedict Arnold. (I don't think they were related.)
> >>> > As a UK resident, I had heard of Benedict Arnold, I thought it was a
> >>> > cocktail. Apparently it is:
> >>> > https://www.mixology.recipes/cocktails/benedict-arnold
> >>> I hadn't heard of that. I assume something was just looking for a name
> >>> starting with "Benedict" to match the second ingredient.
> >> There's Benedict "Imagined Communities" Anderson (very influential
> >> sociology).
> > Well, I'm not aware of any cocktails named after sociologists, but
> > there's no reason it couldn't happen.
>
> There must be some drink named after Cumberbatch, come on!
"There were no cucumbers to be had. Not even for ready money."
> * Adam Funk:
> > On 2021-08-25, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 8:30:08 AM UTC-4, Adam Funk wrote:
> >>> On 2021-08-24, pensive hamster wrote:
> >>> > On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 4:45:06 PM UTC+1, Adam Funk wrote:
> >>> >> Actually I think you're more likely to have learned about Matthew
> >>> >> Arnold than Benedict Arnold. (I don't think they were related.)
> >>> > As a UK resident, I had heard of Benedict Arnold, I thought it was a
> >>> > cocktail. Apparently it is:
> >>> > https://www.mixology.recipes/cocktails/benedict-arnold
> >>> I hadn't heard of that. I assume something was just looking for a name
> >>> starting with "Benedict" to match the second ingredient.
> >> There's Benedict "Imagined Communities" Anderson (very influential
> >> sociology).
> > Well, I'm not aware of any cocktails named after sociologists, but
> > there's no reason it couldn't happen.
>
> There must be some drink named after Cumberbatch, come on!
Snidely
Aug 25, 2021, 7:14:46 PM8/25/21
to
Thus spake Peter T. Daniels:
It doesn't matter what Tony does, *you* should be mature enough to drop
it and stay out of the gutter.
/dps "plenty of fault on all sides, but be responsible for *you*"
--
There's nothing inherently wrong with Big Data. What matters, as it
does for Arnold Lund in California or Richard Rothman in Baltimore, are
the questions -- old and new, good and bad -- this newest tool lets us
ask. (R. Lerhman, CSMonitor.com)
it and stay out of the gutter.
/dps "plenty of fault on all sides, but be responsible for *you*"
--
There's nothing inherently wrong with Big Data. What matters, as it
does for Arnold Lund in California or Richard Rothman in Baltimore, are
the questions -- old and new, good and bad -- this newest tool lets us
ask. (R. Lerhman, CSMonitor.com)
Snidely
Aug 25, 2021, 7:15:51 PM8/25/21
to
Peter T. Daniels is guilty of
<0ab747e1-3885-42b7...@googlegroups.com> as of
8/25/2021 8:56:24 AM
Tony communicates quite clearly. And makes corrections when an actual
fault is found.
/dps
--
You could try being nicer and politer
> instead, and see how that works out.
-- Katy Jennison
<0ab747e1-3885-42b7...@googlegroups.com> as of
8/25/2021 8:56:24 AM
fault is found.
/dps
--
You could try being nicer and politer
> instead, and see how that works out.
-- Katy Jennison
Peter T. Daniels
Aug 26, 2021, 7:42:55 AM8/26/21
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On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 7:15:51 PM UTC-4, Snidely wrote:
> Peter T. Daniels is guilty of
> <0ab747e1-3885-42b7...@googlegroups.com> as of
> 8/25/2021 8:56:24 AM
> Peter T. Daniels is guilty of
> <0ab747e1-3885-42b7...@googlegroups.com> as of
> 8/25/2021 8:56:24 AM
> > It continues to grieve me that over more than 80 years, you have still
> > never learned how to use the English language.
>
> Tony communicates quite clearly. And makes corrections when an actual
> fault is found.
It's the "corrections" where no fault exists that are the problem.
> > never learned how to use the English language.
>
> Tony communicates quite clearly. And makes corrections when an actual
> fault is found.
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