typical american english over-specification " I'm Gonna need you to go ahead and come in tomorrow"

[skpf...@gmail.com]

instead of "please come in tomorrow".

[RH Draney]

On 10/27/2020 8:15 AM, skpf...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> instead of "please come in tomorrow".

Excuse me, I believe you have my stapler....r

[Lewis]

My hovercraft is filled with eels.


--
"Are you pondering what I'm pondering?"
"I think so, Brain, but me and Pippi Longstocking -- I mean, what
would the children look like?"

[Sam Plusnet]

On 28-Oct-20 0:37, Lewis wrote:
> In message <hvrim1...@mid.individual.net> RH Draney <dado...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On 10/27/2020 8:15 AM, skpf...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> instead of "please come in tomorrow".
>
>> Excuse me, I believe you have my stapler....r
>
> My hovercraft is filled with eels.
>
>

There's a video on YouTube in which the hovercraft is filled with a
(licence-free) pub.

--
Sam Plusnet

[bil...@shaw.ca]

Is licence-free the same as off-licence in your English? I've
never quite understood what off-licence means. Establishments
here in Canada have to be licensed to serve booze, and without
a licence, they can't.

bill

[Ross Clark]

In my understanding, it's essentially = "liquor store". A place which
has a licence to sell alcohol which must be consumed off the premises.
Differing in that essential way from a pub. What a (licence-free) pub
might be, we can only guess -- have unlicensed drinking establishments
existed since the end of prohibition?

[Sam Plusnet]

It was done to illustrate some of the more arcane aspects of UK (or is
it just England & Wales in this case) alcohol licencing law.

To sell alcohol, the premises need a licence[1].
They wished to make allowance for the sale of booze on (moving) trains
etc. where the concept of "premises" becomes a bit strange, so they
solved it by saying no licence was needed on a moving vehicle.

Hence a bright spark fitted a beer pump to a hovercraft and took on
board some gin and a couple of bottles of tonic.
As the hovercraft circled a field, accomplices ran alongside, ordered a
drink, paid for the drink via a contactless card transaction, and was
handed their legally purchased drink.

Go to:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLF7yife8YE

If you wish to see the whole silly event.


[1] An "Off-Licence" is a place which has a licence to sell alcohol
which is to be consumed off of the premises (in essence it's a shop
which sells booze).
A pub has a licence which allows you stay there & drink.


--
Sam Plusnet

[Tony Cooper]

On Thu, 29 Oct 2020 14:58:40 +1300, Ross Clark <benl...@ihug.co.nz>
wrote:

In the US, we also call a store that sells liquor to be consumed
off-premises a "package store". I have no idea how that term came
about since liquor has never been sold in a package.

--

Tony Cooper Orlando Florida

[bil...@shaw.ca]

Thank you. So an off-license is what we call a liquor store.
I think our naming system is a mite clearer than yours.

We also have pubs/bars/clubs and restaurants that are licensed for
on-premise consumption, of course.

bill

[Ross Clark]

Although my experience with British Columbia's liquor laws has been
limited, I seem to recall that you could not just walk into one of those
forbidding Liquor Control Board retail outlets, pay for a bottle of
whisky, and walk out with it. It had to be wrapped up, lest the public
be offended by the sight of it on the street. Perhaps something like
that in some state of the USA at some time gave rise to the term
"package store".

It may be that the above recollection is purely imaginary -- bill should
be able to tell us.

[bil...@shaw.ca]

When we first moved here in 1981, when you went into a B.C. liquor store,
you first went to a standup desk and marked your order on a piece of
paper. Then you went to a wicket and handed someone the piece of
paper, that person tallied up the bill and you paid, including
appropriate taxes. Then you took the receipt to a counter where a clerk
would look at the receipt and go and get your order off the shelf. I'm
quite sure they put it in a "sleeve", a narrow brown paper bag. If memory
serves, you could either have the sleeve put in a plastic shopping bag,
or put it in your own bag. Effectively, when you walked out of the
liquor store people on the street couldn't see what you had bought.

Nowadays, you pick your own order off the shelves of a government
liquor store -- private stores are allowed but the government retains
most of the market -- go through the cashier and pay. They ran out
plastic shopping bags during the pandemic, and it's paper only now.

>
> It may be that the above recollection is purely imaginary -- bill should
> be able to tell us.

They do put it in a bag unless you offer to put it in your own bag.
Same as in the supermarket and the corner store.

bill

[Peter Moylan]

On 29/10/20 13:28, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Oct 2020 14:58:40 +1300, Ross Clark <benl...@ihug.co.nz>
> wrote:
>> On 29/10/2020 1:28 p.m., bil...@shaw.ca wrote:

>>> Is licence-free the same as off-licence in your English? I've
>>> never quite understood what off-licence means. Establishments
>>> here in Canada have to be licensed to serve booze, and without a
>>> licence, they can't.
>>

>> In my understanding, it's essentially = "liquor store". A place
>> which has a licence to sell alcohol which must be consumed off the
>> premises. Differing in that essential way from a pub. What a
>> (licence-free) pub might be, we can only guess -- have unlicensed
>> drinking establishments existed since the end of prohibition?
>
> In the US, we also call a store that sells liquor to be consumed
> off-premises a "package store". I have no idea how that term came
> about since liquor has never been sold in a package.

The term here is "bottle shop", even though some of what they sell is in
cans, and then of course there are cask wines.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW

[Kerr-Mudd,John]

and often a licence to sell carry-outs, but not often used until the
Covid Era. Some older pubs have/had a little counter near the entrance
for such purchases, so Old Tom could send Little Johnny to the pub for a
jug of ale.

"on & off the premises" possibly also "music & dancing"

https://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/01/67/65/1676526_772885ae.jpg
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/bn5xk2/pub-license-sign-above-door-of-the-
peveril-hotel-peel-isle-of-man-bn5xk2.jpg

--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.

[Ross Clark]

Yes, traditional pubs here have "bottle shops", which may be a separate
little annex or just a counter where you can buy stuff to take away. So
they are both on- and off-licensed.

[charles]

In article <_8ednZXPuJLEtQfC...@brightview.co.uk>,

some have off-licences, too.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

[charles]

In article <57482b4d-f2cb-45d4...@googlegroups.com>,

In the UK, a licence is for selling for consumption 'on the premises' or
'off the premises'. The latter is known as an "off-licence". When I was
running a bar, someone I knew quite well asked to buy a bottle of whisky to
take home, I told we didn't have a suitable licence, but if he really
wanted I could sell him 80 servings. If he wanted to put them in an empty
bottle, that was up to him. He declined.

[Lewis]

The term is correctly applied to stores that are owned by the state and
it comes from a court ruling about the sale of alcohol in "original
packaging".

I think it was Ohio were you were not allowed to carry a purchase out
of a liquor store without it being in either a paper bag or a box
(because, i guess, the sight of a liquor bottle my cause some
god-fearing teetotaler to succumb to the evils of alcohol?) Might not
have been Ohio. Kentucky? Tennessee? Around in there somewhere. And more
than 30 years ago.

When I search google for "Package store" there are no results for
Colorado. There is one in Laramie Wyoming, one in Arapaho, Nebraska
(which I have never heard of despite having driven through it at least
twice), and several in Amarillo Texas.

It is hard to search since many liquor stores without "Package Store" in
their name come up as well, so I am not sure if that is google just
listing liquor stores or listing them in areas where they are called
package stores. However, since they seem to be most prevalent in the
South, maybe?

Not only the South, they are all over Connecticut, but I know they had
(and may still have) state-run liquor stores). I see a few through the
upper Midwest (Indiana, Illinois), but not like in the southern states.


--
"Anything that is in the world when you're born is normal and
ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works.
Anything that's invented between when you're fifteen and thirty-
five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably
get a career in it. Anything invented after you're thirty-five is
against the natural order of things." -- Douglas Adams

[Lewis]

I cannot remember the exact details from buying liquor in BC, but I do
recall that there was something about it that was a bit odd at the time
(We bought a pricey bottle of ice wine in Victoria).

In pubs and bars you have to show TWO forms of ID, each with a photo.
That would not have been a problem for me, as I had both my passport and
driver license, but no one else had a second photo ID; we did not go
to a pub and the rule either did not apply or was ignored in
restaurants. When I ordered drinks for myself and #1 child, no one
was asked for ID.

The drinking age in BC is also 19, not 21, something that caused some of
the US parents at a UBC informational meeting to visibly panic.

"What do you do about liquor in dorm rooms?"

"Nothing."

"What do you do about on-campus parties with alcohol?"

"Nothing."

"Where do kids get alcohol?"

"Kids do not get alcohol. Adults can buy alcohol in many stores or in
the Student Center pub."

> It may be that the above recollection is purely imaginary -- bill should
> be able to tell us.

--
For my birthday I got a humidifier and a de-humidifier... I put them
in the same room and let them fight it out.

[Lewis]

In message <_8ednZXPuJLEtQfC...@brightview.co.uk> Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:
> [1] An "Off-Licence" is a place which has a licence to sell alcohol
> which is to be consumed off of the premises (in essence it's a shop
> which sells booze).
> A pub has a licence which allows you stay there & drink.

In the US, at least in some states, a bar can also sell full bottles
that are to be taken off premises. Is that the case in the UK or not?

(It may be a different license, but I know some places here in Colorado
do this).

--
Over 3,500 gay marriages and, what, no hellfire? I was promise
hellfire. And riots. What gives? -- Mark Morford

[charles]

In article <slrnrpl6ao....@ProMini.lan>,

Lewis <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
> In message <_8ednZXPuJLEtQfC...@brightview.co.uk> Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:
> > [1] An "Off-Licence" is a place which has a licence to sell alcohol
> > which is to be consumed off of the premises (in essence it's a shop
> > which sells booze).
> > A pub has a licence which allows you stay there & drink.

> In the US, at least in some states, a bar can also sell full bottles
> that are to be taken off premises. Is that the case in the UK or not?

> (It may be a different license, but I know some places here in Colorado
> do this).

Yes, they can - but they need to apply to do so on the licence application
form. It is sometimes refused - there might be too many similar places in
the vicinity

[Jerry Friedman]

On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 4:13:47 AM UTC-6, Lewis wrote:
...

> The drinking age in BC is also 19, not 21, something that caused some of
> the US parents at a UBC informational meeting to visibly panic.
>
> "What do you do about liquor in dorm rooms?"
>
> "Nothing."
>
> "What do you do about on-campus parties with alcohol?"
>
> "Nothing."
>
> "Where do kids get alcohol?"
>
> "Kids do not get alcohol. Adults can buy alcohol in many stores or in
> the Student Center pub."

Kids don't get alcohol in BC? I suspect that some find ways to buy
it.

--
Jerry Friedman

[Tony Cooper]

On Thu, 29 Oct 2020 09:23:14 -0000 (UTC), "Kerr-Mudd,John"
<nots...@127.0.0.1> wrote:


>> [1] An "Off-Licence" is a place which has a licence to sell alcohol
>> which is to be consumed off of the premises (in essence it's a shop
>> which sells booze).
>> A pub has a licence which allows you stay there & drink.
>>
>and often a licence to sell carry-outs, but not often used until the
>Covid Era. Some older pubs have/had a little counter near the entrance
>for such purchases, so Old Tom could send Little Johnny to the pub for a
>jug of ale.
>

My wife speaks of trips to the local tavern in the 1940s, when she was
of single-digit age, to pick up a "growler" of beer for her father.
Technically, she didn't buy the beer because it was added to her
father's tab.

The term "growler" wasn't known to her or used in that locale at the
time, but a "growler" was a customer-furnished container that the
tavern bartender filled. In her case, it was a glass jug.

[Lewis]

In message <6rilpfdoot1prdknt...@4ax.com> Tony Cooper <tonyco...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Oct 2020 09:23:14 -0000 (UTC), "Kerr-Mudd,John"
> <nots...@127.0.0.1> wrote:

>
>>> [1] An "Off-Licence" is a place which has a licence to sell alcohol
>>> which is to be consumed off of the premises (in essence it's a shop
>>> which sells booze).
>>> A pub has a licence which allows you stay there & drink.
>>>
>>and often a licence to sell carry-outs, but not often used until the
>>Covid Era. Some older pubs have/had a little counter near the entrance
>>for such purchases, so Old Tom could send Little Johnny to the pub for a
>>jug of ale.
>>

> My wife speaks of trips to the local tavern in the 1940s, when she was
> of single-digit age, to pick up a "growler" of beer for her father.
> Technically, she didn't buy the beer because it was added to her
> father's tab.

When I was 5 or 6 years old I was sent to pickup tequila for my father,
but that was in the 70s and in Mexico.

However, in Denver I often went to get my father a carton of cigarettes
from the local convenience store when I was no more than 10 or 12,
pretty much twice a week.

> The term "growler" wasn't known to her or used in that locale at the
> time, but a "growler" was a customer-furnished container that the
> tavern bartender filled. In her case, it was a glass jug.

I have a growler which is a metal jug that holds 2 litres. It is black
and has a Darth Vader head on the side. I use it for rum. Navy strength
rum.

<https://www.overstock.com/Home-Garden/Star-Wars-Darth-Vader-64-oz.-Stainless-Steel-Growler-Multi/13672128/product.html>

The term is relatively new to me, maybe in the last ten years or so.

--
"These are my rules, I make 'em up." ~George Carlin

[Lewis]

Perhaps. I haven’t lived there, but there doesn't seem to be the
puritanical panic over alcohol that seems unique to the USA.

When with my eldest at a restaurant I ordered us each drinks and there
was no song and dance about whether my kid was 19 or not, and no asking
the 50yo man for ID, both of which happen all the time in the US.

--
'I thought we could do it without anyone getting hurt. By using our
brains.' 'Can't. History don't work like that. Blood first, then
brains.' 'Mountains of skulls,' said Truckle. 'There's got to be
a better way than fighting,' said Mr Saveloy. 'Yep. Lots of 'em.
Only none of 'em work.'

[Ken Blake]

I've seen and heard the term "package store," of course, but as far as I
know, that term is only used in some parts of the US. To me, it's called
a "liquor store."

It was almost always called a "liquor store" in NY, when I lived there.
I *think* it's also called a "liquor store" here in Arizona, but I'm not
sure, since I very rarely go to one. I usually buy liquor in a grocery
store or Costco.



--
Ken

[Ken Blake]

That sounds very much like the way coffee (and anything else) is usually
sold in bars in Italy (although many smaller bars don't require doing it
that way).

You go to the cash register, order what you want, pay for it, get a
receipt, then take the receipt to the counter where you hand it over and
get what you bought.


--
Ken

[Ken Blake]

No doubt. And some kids are undoubtedly given some by their parents.

And some sneak into the liquor cabinet at home when their parents aren't
looking.

And probably a few other ways.



--
Ken

[Ken Blake]

On 10/29/2020 7:54 AM, Lewis wrote:
> In message <4a5fb343-4993-4361...@googlegroups.com> Jerry Friedman <jerry_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 4:13:47 AM UTC-6, Lewis wrote:
>> ...
>
>>> The drinking age in BC is also 19, not 21, something that caused some of
>>> the US parents at a UBC informational meeting to visibly panic.
>>>
>>> "What do you do about liquor in dorm rooms?"
>>>
>>> "Nothing."
>>>
>>> "What do you do about on-campus parties with alcohol?"
>>>
>>> "Nothing."
>>>
>>> "Where do kids get alcohol?"
>>>
>>> "Kids do not get alcohol. Adults can buy alcohol in many stores or in
>>> the Student Center pub."
>
>> Kids don't get alcohol in BC? I suspect that some find ways to buy
>> it.
>
> Perhaps. I haven’t lived there, but there doesn't seem to be the
> puritanical panic over alcohol that seems unique to the USA.
>
> When with my eldest at a restaurant I ordered us each drinks and there
> was no song and dance about whether my kid was 19 or not, and no asking
> the 50yo man for ID, both of which happen all the time in the US.

Maybe in some states. I'm almost 83. It's been many years since I was
last asked for an ID. I was certainly never asked anywhere near the age
of 50.

However I remember a few years ago reading about an
80-something-year-old woman who was asked for an ID in Seattle.


--
Ken

[Ken Blake]

That shows how little I know about Australian English. I've never seen,
heard, nor read the term "bottle shop."


--
Ken

[Ken Blake]

What's the difference between a bar and a pub?


--
Ken

[Lewis]

Happens all the time here. In fact, there are many liquor stores I do
not go to because they require an ID and I do not carry and ID.

--
C is for CLARA who wasted away
D is for DESMOND thrown out of a sleigh

[Lewis]

In message <i006mu...@mid.individual.net> Ken Blake <k...@invalidemail.com> wrote:
> On 10/29/2020 6:03 AM, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 4:13:47 AM UTC-6, Lewis wrote:
>> ...
>>
>>> The drinking age in BC is also 19, not 21, something that caused some of
>>> the US parents at a UBC informational meeting to visibly panic.
>>>
>>> "What do you do about liquor in dorm rooms?"
>>>
>>> "Nothing."
>>>
>>> "What do you do about on-campus parties with alcohol?"
>>>
>>> "Nothing."
>>>
>>> "Where do kids get alcohol?"
>>>
>>> "Kids do not get alcohol. Adults can buy alcohol in many stores or in
>>> the Student Center pub."
>>
>> Kids don't get alcohol in BC? I suspect that some find ways to buy
>> it.

> No doubt. And some kids are undoubtedly given some by their parents.

Which is perfectly legal in BC (and practically everywhere, even in the
US).

--
NOBODY LIKES SUNBURN SLAPPERS Bart chalkboard Ep. 7F23

[Lewis]

Here n Colorado a pub license is different from a bar license and has to
do with what percentage of your sales are food.

--
E is for ERNEST who choked on a peach
F is for FANNY sucked dry by a leech

[Tony Cooper]

On Thu, 29 Oct 2020 08:50:54 -0700, Ken Blake <k...@invalidemail.com>
wrote:

I can remember that in my high school days we'd stand outside a liquor
store asking people walking in if they'd buy us a six-pack of beer.
There was always someone who would.

If they agreed, we'd hand them the money. We did get stiffed a couple
times when the agreeing person would take the money but not buy the
beer.

[Ken Blake]

Interesting, thanks.


--
Ken

[Tony Cooper]

On Thu, 29 Oct 2020 09:00:02 -0700, Ken Blake <k...@invalidemail.com>
wrote:

Location, for the most part. In this city, it's a bar. In the UK,
it's a pub.

Although, there are several Orlando bars that have "pub" in the name.
The only thing they have in common with a pub in the UK is that they
serve alcoholic beverages.

[Tony Cooper]

On Thu, 29 Oct 2020 09:00:02 -0700, Ken Blake <k...@invalidemail.com>
wrote:

In my post about my wife getting a "growler" filled, I used the term
"tavern". If the establishment my father-in-law patronized in the
1940s still exists, it's probably called a "bar", but all family
references to that place in those times were to "tavern".

It was what a resident of the UK might call my father-in-law's
"local". He didn't drive. He walked to work and walked to the
tavern, so the place he went was chosen by the proximity to his work
and home.

Family lore says he didn't have a drinking problem, but he had a
"payday problem". He was paid by cash in an envelope, and would stop
at the tavern on his way home on payday. Flush with cash, he would
generously buy drinks for his friends.

To minimize the damage, my mother-in-law would send one of the kids to
the tavern early enough to get there before him and pick up and take
home the pay envelope. They'd leave him just enough to pay his tab
and buy a round or two.

My wife was assigned that duty when she was old enough. There would
often be several other kids and wives there with the same assignment
for their father/husband.

[Tony Cooper]

On Thu, 29 Oct 2020 08:54:50 -0700, Ken Blake <k...@invalidemail.com>
wrote:

There is a point in life when one is asked if they are a "Senior" and
entitled to a Senior discount. That is followed by the point in life
when it is assumed and no longer asked.

There are some women, I have been reliably told, that strongly object
to the assumption even though they qualify.

[Kerr-Mudd,John]

On Thu, 29 Oct 2020 16:11:28 GMT, Ken Blake <k...@invalidemail.com>

In the UK a pub is a venerable institution (or was), with proper Real Ale
whereas a bar is trendy spot for excitable youngsters to flash their
bling whilst purchase exotically named but familiar brands of drinks,
with the main ingredients being water and CO2.



--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 10:59:43 PM UTC-4, bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 7:26:37 PM UTC-7, Sam Plusnet wrote:

> > [1] An "Off-Licence" is a place which has a licence to sell alcohol
> > which is to be consumed off of the premises (in essence it's a shop
> > which sells booze).
> > A pub has a licence which allows you stay there & drink.
>
> Thank you. So an off-license is what we call a liquor store.
> I think our naming system is a mite clearer than yours.
>
> We also have pubs/bars/clubs and restaurants that are licensed for
> on-premise consumption, of course.

It would be clearer if it were spelled < "off" license >, i.e. a
license for off usage (the adverbial sense, as in "the destination
is still far off," not "we are far off the beaten track").

In Pennsylvania, a liquor store was (is?) called a state store,
because after Prohibition liquor could only be sold by the state,
not by private businesses.

When I moved to Chicago I was surprised to see beer, wine, and
liquor in grocery stores -- in NYC they were sold only in liquor
stores.

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 1:53:24 AM UTC-4, bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 9:53:30 PM UTC-7, Ross wrote:

> When we first moved here in 1981, when you went into a B.C. liquor store,
> you first went to a standup desk and marked your order on a piece of
> paper. Then you went to a wicket and handed someone the piece of
> paper, that person tallied up the bill and you paid, including
> appropriate taxes. Then you took the receipt to a counter where a clerk

> would look at the receipt and go and get your order off the shelf. I'm
> quite sure they put it in a "sleeve", a narrow brown paper bag. If memory
> serves, you could either have the sleeve put in a plastic shopping bag,
> or put it in your own bag. Effectively, when you walked out of the
> liquor store people on the street couldn't see what you had bought.
>
> Nowadays, you pick your own order off the shelves of a government
> liquor store -- private stores are allowed but the government retains
> most of the market -- go through the cashier and pay. They ran out
> plastic shopping bags during the pandemic, and it's paper only now.

Eh? You lot haven't banned environmentally-unconscious throwaway plastic
bags yet? NJ did so about a year ago; NYC's ban was supposed to go into
effect in March but was delayed until now (and they're less restrictive:
a larger group of exceptions is made there than here).

> > It may be that the above recollection is purely imaginary -- bill should
> > be able to tell us.
>

> They do put it in a bag unless you offer to put it in your own bag.
> Same as in the supermarket and the corner store.

If you forget to bring a bag, they'll sell you reusable basic ones
for 10c, and they have sturdier ones with logos and such for $1.

Though Public Radio listeners are supposed to have large collections
of tote bags. Though those don't usually have flat bottoms suitable
for carrying groceries.

[charles]

In article <6rilpfdoot1prdknt...@4ax.com>,

Tony Cooper <tonyco...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Oct 2020 09:23:14 -0000 (UTC), "Kerr-Mudd,John"
> <nots...@127.0.0.1> wrote:

>
> >> [1] An "Off-Licence" is a place which has a licence to sell alcohol
> >> which is to be consumed off of the premises (in essence it's a shop
> >> which sells booze).
> >> A pub has a licence which allows you stay there & drink.
> >>
> >and often a licence to sell carry-outs, but not often used until the
> >Covid Era. Some older pubs have/had a little counter near the entrance
> >for such purchases, so Old Tom could send Little Johnny to the pub for a
> >jug of ale.
> >

> My wife speaks of trips to the local tavern in the 1940s, when she was
> of single-digit age, to pick up a "growler" of beer for her father.
> Technically, she didn't buy the beer because it was added to her
> father's tab.

That wouldn't comply with the current Scottish licencing laws. "Drinks
delivered to a house must be accepted by an adult"

[Mack A. Damia]

It always helped at party-times to have a sister and brother-in-law
who were five years older.

My sister never forgot going into the Pennsylvania State Store and
asking for fifteen bottles of Thunderbird wine*.

>If they agreed, we'd hand them the money. We did get stiffed a couple
>times when the agreeing person would take the money but not buy the
>beer.

* "Bird, bird, bird. Bird is the word......"

[charles]

In article <i00651...@mid.individual.net>, Ken Blake

I first met that in Geneva 1959

[charles]

In article <slrnrpllse....@ProMini.lan>,

Lewis <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
> In message <4a5fb343-4993-4361...@googlegroups.com> Jerry Friedman <jerry_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 4:13:47 AM UTC-6, Lewis wrote:
> > ...

> >> The drinking age in BC is also 19, not 21, something that caused some of
> >> the US parents at a UBC informational meeting to visibly panic.
> >>
> >> "What do you do about liquor in dorm rooms?"
> >>
> >> "Nothing."
> >>
> >> "What do you do about on-campus parties with alcohol?"
> >>
> >> "Nothing."
> >>
> >> "Where do kids get alcohol?"
> >>
> >> "Kids do not get alcohol. Adults can buy alcohol in many stores or in
> >> the Student Center pub."

> > Kids don't get alcohol in BC? I suspect that some find ways to buy
> > it.

> Perhaps. I haven‘t lived there, but there doesn't seem to be the
> puritanical panic over alcohol that seems unique to the USA.

> When with my eldest at a restaurant I ordered us each drinks and there
> was no song and dance about whether my kid was 19 or not, and no asking
> the 50yo man for ID, both of which happen all the time in the US.

In England the child needs to be 16, it's 18 in Scotland. It's not so much
puritanical, but health conciousness.

> --

[charles]

In article <slrnrplq3t....@ProMini.lan>,

within the privacy of their home, presumably.

[charles]

In article <i00782...@mid.individual.net>,

A 'pub' is short for 'public house'. Strickly speaking a self contained
building where alcohol is served; in the past rarely much else, but
nowadays a great many also serve food (gastro pub). A 'bar' is anywhere
serving alcohol - often in a hotel.

[charles]

In article <qnrlpf5e278n2d0pu...@4ax.com>,

a month ago, I was asked if I was over 65 - to get my flu jab. I was 80
last May.

[charles]

In article <3f74db2d-ffe3-4fe2...@googlegroups.com>,

Peter T. Daniels <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 10:59:43 PM UTC-4, bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
> > On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 7:26:37 PM UTC-7, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>
> > > [1] An "Off-Licence" is a place which has a licence to sell alcohol
> > > which is to be consumed off of the premises (in essence it's a shop
> > > which sells booze).
> > > A pub has a licence which allows you stay there & drink.
> >
> > Thank you. So an off-license is what we call a liquor store.
> > I think our naming system is a mite clearer than yours.
> >
> > We also have pubs/bars/clubs and restaurants that are licensed for
> > on-premise consumption, of course.

> It would be clearer if it were spelled < "off" license >,

it is.

[musika]

It's been mentioned here many times but probably before you arrived.


--
Ray
UK

[musika]

On 29/10/2020 18:00, charles wrote:
> In article <3f74db2d-ffe3-4fe2...@googlegroups.com>,
> Peter T. Daniels <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 10:59:43 PM UTC-4, bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 7:26:37 PM UTC-7, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>
>>>> [1] An "Off-Licence" is a place which has a licence to sell alcohol
>>>> which is to be consumed off of the premises (in essence it's a shop
>>>> which sells booze).
>>>> A pub has a licence which allows you stay there & drink.
>>>
>>> Thank you. So an off-license is what we call a liquor store.
>>> I think our naming system is a mite clearer than yours.
>>>
>>> We also have pubs/bars/clubs and restaurants that are licensed for
>>> on-premise consumption, of course.
>
>> It would be clearer if it were spelled < "off" license >,
>
> it is.
>

No, it's spelt "off-licence".

--
Ray
UK

[musika]

On 29/10/2020 17:59, charles wrote:
> In article <qnrlpf5e278n2d0pu...@4ax.com>,
> Tony Cooper <tonyco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2020 08:54:50 -0700, Ken Blake <k...@invalidemail.com>

>> There is a point in life when one is asked if they are a "Senior" and
>> entitled to a Senior discount. That is followed by the point in life
>> when it is assumed and no longer asked.
>
>> There are some women, I have been reliably told, that strongly object
>> to the assumption even though they qualify.
>
> a month ago, I was asked if I was over 65 - to get my flu jab. I was 80
> last May.
>

That was to make sure you got the correct flu jab. Under 65s got a
different one.

--
Ray
UK

[Peter Duncanson [BrE]]

On Thu, 29 Oct 2020 09:32:41 +0000 (GMT), charles
<cha...@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

>In article <_8ednZXPuJLEtQfC...@brightview.co.uk>,

> Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:
>> On 29-Oct-20 0:28, bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 1:33:21 PM UTC-7, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>> >> On 28-Oct-20 0:37, Lewis wrote:
>> >>> In message <hvrim1...@mid.individual.net> RH Draney <dado...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >>>> On 10/27/2020 8:15 AM, skpf...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> instead of "please come in tomorrow".
>> >>>
>> >>>> Excuse me, I believe you have my stapler....r
>> >>>
>> >>> My hovercraft is filled with eels.
>> >>>
>> >> There's a video on YouTube in which the hovercraft is filled with a
>> >> (licence-free) pub.
>> >>

>> > Is licence-free the same as off-licence in your English? I've
>> > never quite understood what off-licence means. Establishments
>> > here in Canada have to be licensed to serve booze, and without
>> > a licence, they can't.
>> >

>> It was done to illustrate some of the more arcane aspects of UK (or is
>> it just England & Wales in this case) alcohol licencing law.
>
>> To sell alcohol, the premises need a licence[1].
>> They wished to make allowance for the sale of booze on (moving) trains
>> etc. where the concept of "premises" becomes a bit strange, so they
>> solved it by saying no licence was needed on a moving vehicle.
>
>> Hence a bright spark fitted a beer pump to a hovercraft and took on
>> board some gin and a couple of bottles of tonic.
>> As the hovercraft circled a field, accomplices ran alongside, ordered a
>> drink, paid for the drink via a contactless card transaction, and was
>> handed their legally purchased drink.
>
>> Go to:
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLF7yife8YE
>
>> If you wish to see the whole silly event.
>
>

>> [1] An "Off-Licence" is a place which has a licence to sell alcohol
>> which is to be consumed off of the premises (in essence it's a shop
>> which sells booze).
>> A pub has a licence which allows you stay there & drink.
>

>some have off-licences, too.

Indeed. Also some places are licensed to "supply of alcohol for
consumption off the premises" but are not referred to as "off-licences"
- supermarkets and the like.

--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)

[Peter Duncanson [BrE]]

On Thu, 29 Oct 2020 18:39:38 +0000, musika <mUs...@NOSPAMexcite.com>
wrote:

It depends who's spelling it!

In any case, it is not an official term.

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 2:03:39 PM UTC-4, charles wrote:
> In article <3f74db2d-ffe3-4fe2...@googlegroups.com>,
> Peter T. Daniels <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 10:59:43 PM UTC-4, bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 7:26:37 PM UTC-7, Sam Plusnet wrote:

> > > > [1] An "Off-Licence" is a place which has a licence to sell alcohol
> > > > which is to be consumed off of the premises (in essence it's a shop
> > > > which sells booze).
> > > > A pub has a licence which allows you stay there & drink.
> > > Thank you. So an off-license is what we call a liquor store.
> > > I think our naming system is a mite clearer than yours.
> > > We also have pubs/bars/clubs and restaurants that are licensed for
> > > on-premise consumption, of course.
> > It would be clearer if it were spelled < "off" license >,
>
> it is.

With the quotation marks? No one has ever done so here.

The word seen above is "off-license," which must refer to an unlicensed
premise, a premise that is off its license.

[Peter T. Daniels]

That you guys routinely call it a "jab" is disturbing. It suggests
Rocky Balboa with a syringe.

[Ross Clark]

On 30/10/2020 5:00 a.m., Ken Blake wrote:

> On 10/28/2020 7:59 PM, bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
>> On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 7:26:37 PM UTC-7, Sam Plusnet wrote:

>>> [1] An "Off-Licence" is a place which has a licence to sell alcohol
>>> which is to be consumed off of the premises (in essence it's a shop
>>> which sells booze).
>>> A pub has a licence which allows you stay there & drink.
>>>
>> Thank you. So an off-license is what we call a liquor store.
>> I think our naming system is a mite clearer than yours.
>>
>> We also have pubs/bars/clubs and restaurants that are licensed for
>> on-premise consumption, of course.
>
>

> What's the difference between a bar and a pub?
>

In NZ 40+ years ago, the only places licensed to sell you a drink were
hotels (plus a very few high-end restaurants). So a "pub" was part of a
hotel (although in many cases the hotel business was rather pro forma
and the pub was the main source of revenue). "Pub" was short for "public
bar", where anybody could walk in and drink. Some big hotels had other
bars ("lounge bar" is one term I recall) which were for hotel guests only.

Nowadays things have changed enormously and there are plenty of
free-standing "bars" which aren't part of anything else. I think some
such places may use the word "pub" if they want to suggest a kind of
old-time ambience.

Those "bottle shops" I mentioned as part of traditional (hotel) pubs are
probably not so common now. In that same bygone era, the only really
"off-licence" liquor outlets were wine shops, which started in the 1960s
with the aim of encouraging the local wine industry. Eventually,
however, they expanded to selling beer and spirits, and nowadays
full-spectrum liquor stores are widespread. I have the impression that
bottle-shops survive mainly in country pubs where there may not be a
nearby retailer.

[charles]

In article <50262f7c-331b-42d5...@googlegroups.com>, Peter

It a licence to sell alcohol for consumption OFF the premises.

[Tony Cooper]

On Thu, 29 Oct 2020 13:21:34 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"

<gram...@verizon.net> wrote:

>On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 2:03:39 PM UTC-4, charles wrote:
>> In article <3f74db2d-ffe3-4fe2...@googlegroups.com>,
>> Peter T. Daniels <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 10:59:43 PM UTC-4, bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
>> > > On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 7:26:37 PM UTC-7, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>
>> > > > [1] An "Off-Licence" is a place which has a licence to sell alcohol
>> > > > which is to be consumed off of the premises (in essence it's a shop
>> > > > which sells booze).
>> > > > A pub has a licence which allows you stay there & drink.
>> > > Thank you. So an off-license is what we call a liquor store.
>> > > I think our naming system is a mite clearer than yours.
>> > > We also have pubs/bars/clubs and restaurants that are licensed for
>> > > on-premise consumption, of course.
>> > It would be clearer if it were spelled < "off" license >,
>>
>> it is.
>
>With the quotation marks? No one has ever done so here.
>
>The word seen above is "off-license," which must refer to an unlicensed
>premise, a premise that is off its license.

If you apply that thinking to the American term, then a "liquor
license" is a license for a bottle of liquor.

[David Kleinecke]

On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 7:11:53 AM UTC-7, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Oct 2020 09:23:14 -0000 (UTC), "Kerr-Mudd,John"

> <nots...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>
> >> [1] An "Off-Licence" is a place which has a licence to sell alcohol
> >> which is to be consumed off of the premises (in essence it's a shop
> >> which sells booze).
> >> A pub has a licence which allows you stay there & drink.
> >>

> >and often a licence to sell carry-outs, but not often used until the
> >Covid Era. Some older pubs have/had a little counter near the entrance
> >for such purchases, so Old Tom could send Little Johnny to the pub for a
> >jug of ale.
> >
>
> My wife speaks of trips to the local tavern in the 1940s, when she was
> of single-digit age, to pick up a "growler" of beer for her father.
> Technically, she didn't buy the beer because it was added to her
> father's tab.
>

> The term "growler" wasn't known to her or used in that locale at the
> time, but a "growler" was a customer-furnished container that the
> tavern bartender filled. In her case, it was a glass jug.

Fragment of an old song:

There was a little man
And he had a little can
And he used to rush the growler

[bil...@shaw.ca]

Growlers have made a comeback here in B.C. and I suspect in other places,
due to the recent boom in small "craft" breweries. Friends who live near
a couple of craft breweries often bring a just-filled growler with them
when they come over for dinner.

bill

[Lewis]

It varies. Some states restrict it to the home, others do not. Some
states restrict it entirely unless part of a religious superstition
ritual. Some specify it must be the minor's own home and no other, but
that also varies.

Both CO and BC are basically the same, alcohol is not prohibited in the
minor's home and is in public. BC also has an exemption for being under
a doctor's care which I assume us historical?

--
Strange things are afoot at the Circle K

[RH Draney]

On 10/29/2020 1:23 PM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>
> That you guys routinely call it a "jab" is disturbing. It suggests
> Rocky Balboa with a syringe.

"You're going to feel a little prick"....r

[RH Draney]

On 10/29/2020 10:53 AM, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Oct 2020 12:11:20 -0400, Tony Cooper
> <tonyco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I can remember that in my high school days we'd stand outside a liquor
>> store asking people walking in if they'd buy us a six-pack of beer.
>> There was always someone who would.
>
> It always helped at party-times to have a sister and brother-in-law
> who were five years older.
>
> My sister never forgot going into the Pennsylvania State Store and
> asking for fifteen bottles of Thunderbird wine*.

When I was working in the border town of Douglas, one of the fellows in
the office invited everyone to lunch in Agua Prieta, with a single
stipulation: everyone had to carry two bottles of liquor (paid for by
our host) back across the border with him...seems the first two bottles
per person carry no import duty, and this applies even if the person is
a babe in arms....

My cow-orker was accumulating cheap Mexican liquor for Christmas gifts....r

[RH Draney]

There's a different distinction here that's important during the
pandemic...our governor allowed drinking establishments to re-open after
the original lockdown if they were "pubs", i.e. if a certain substantial
fraction of their business was serving food...if they were simply
"bars", they couldn't re-open until the CDC tracking numbers fell below
a certain threshold....

(Pubs and bars alike were nonetheless required to observe
social-distancing measures, and more than a few qualified pubs failed to
pass inspection and were quickly re-shuttered)....r

[Ross Clark]

Another bit of language connected with all this: The first place I
stayed when I arrived in Auckland was a "private hotel" in Princes
Street -- a very small place, but handy to the University. When I
wondered what "private" signified in this context, it was explained that
it meant the hotel didn't have a (public) bar. In fact they had no bar
at all, nor a dining room, though they did serve breakfast.

[Sam Plusnet]

Nor is "Offy".

"I'm off down the offy, do you want anything?"

--
Sam Plusnet

[Sam Plusnet]

He isn't asking for clarification nor making a serious point[1].

[1] OK, I may be guilty of the latter from time to time.

--
Sam Plusnet

[Quinn C]

* charles:

Everything was sold that way when I first visited Russia in 1980.

I decided that it's a way to create more jobs.

--
The notion that there might be a "truth" of sex, as Foucault
ironically terms it, is produced precisely through the regulatory
practices that generate coherent identities through the matrix of
coherent gender norms. -- Judith Butler

[Snidely]

Peter T. Daniels submitted this gripping article, maybe on Thursday:

> Though Public Radio listeners are supposed to have large collections
> of tote bags. Though those don't usually have flat bottoms suitable
> for carrying groceries.

It must be later than I thought. I lexed the second sentence in
significantly mangled way: "Though those who don't usually have flat
bottoms suitable for carrying groceries."

/dps

--
Who, me? And what lacuna?

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

I had similar problems, which made me wonder how many bottoms he had seen.

--
athel

[Peter Young]

"A little prick with a needle". "Yes, but what are you going to do with
it?".

Peter.

--
Peter Young, (BrE, RP), Consultant Anaesthetist, 1975-2004.
(US equivalent: Certified Anesthesiologist) (AUE TI)
Cheltenham and Gloucester, UK. Now happily retired.
http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk

[Peter Moylan]

Advertisements here for a prostate test say "It's just a little prick".

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW

[Peter Moylan]

On 30/10/20 04:59, charles wrote:

> a month ago, I was asked if I was over 65 - to get my flu jab. I was
> 80 last May.

Talking of such: just the other day I heard that, if and when a covid-19
vaccine becomes available, it won't be available to over-65s. Apparently
this is because, to fast-track the testing, it is only being tested on
young people.

The fact that I haven't had a haircut since early this year makes me
look younger, I think.

[Peter Moylan]

On 30/10/20 03:00, Ken Blake wrote:
> On 10/28/2020 7:59 PM, bil...@shaw.ca wrote:

>> We also have pubs/bars/clubs and restaurants that are licensed for
>> on-premise consumption, of course.
>

> What's the difference between a bar and a pub?

The answer depends on location, of course, but here it also depends on
time. I grew up knowing that a bar was a piece of furniture to be found
in a pub. The staff were on one side and the customers were on the other.

More recently, a different distinction has arisen. A pub is just another
name for a hotel, and because of that it must offer accommodation for
travellers. A new-style bar is a bit like a coffee shop, except that it
can sell alcoholic drinks.

[Peter Moylan]

And it doesn't have a comma.

[Peter Moylan]

On 30/10/20 04:46, charles wrote:
> In article <6rilpfdoot1prdknt...@4ax.com>, Tony Cooper

> <tonyco...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> My wife speaks of trips to the local tavern in the 1940s, when she
>> was of single-digit age, to pick up a "growler" of beer for her
>> father. Technically, she didn't buy the beer because it was added
>> to her father's tab.
>

> That wouldn't comply with the current Scottish licencing laws.
> "Drinks delivered to a house must be accepted by an adult"

But presumably it was accepted by an adult when Tony's wife delivered it.

[Kerr-Mudd,John]

Can you get a discount if the beer has passed it's best?


--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.

[Kerr-Mudd,John]

And what do points make?

All together:
a fully functioning railway system!

[Peter Young]

Oy! Apostrophe abuse.

[RH Draney]

On 10/30/2020 1:41 AM, Peter Young wrote:
> On 29 Oct 2020 RH Draney <dado...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> On 10/29/2020 1:23 PM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>>
>>> That you guys routinely call it a "jab" is disturbing. It suggests
>>> Rocky Balboa with a syringe.
>
>> "You're going to feel a little prick"....r
>
> "A little prick with a needle". "Yes, but what are you going to do with
> it?".

Patient runs down hospital corridor screaming, pursued by a young nurse,
pursued in turn by an embarrassed doctor: "No, nurse, I said I wanted
you to *prick* his *boil*!"...

(Ooh, matron!)...r

[Peter T. Daniels]

Which is why it would be clearer to OtherPonders to call it an "off"
license rather than an off-license.

[Peter T. Daniels]

Don't try to do grammatical analysis.

A liquor license is a license to sell liquor.

A plumber's license is a license to do plumbing.

A medical license is a license to practice medicine.

An "off" license is not a license to sell, do, or practice "offs,"
it is a license to provide a product to be used off the premises.

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 6:43:53 AM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 30/10/20 04:59, charles wrote:

> > a month ago, I was asked if I was over 65 - to get my flu jab. I was
> > 80 last May.
>
> Talking of such: just the other day I heard that, if and when a covid-19
> vaccine becomes available, it won't be available to over-65s. Apparently
> this is because, to fast-track the testing, it is only being tested on
> young people.

OMG, something trump is doing better than some one other place? We,
he claims, will have a hierarchy -- first to get it will be front-
line workers, then "elderly and those with conditions" like diabetes
and heart problems.

Of course he'll be long gone by the time a vaccine is ready to go.

[Tony Cooper]

On Fri, 30 Oct 2020 07:12:23 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"

Why do OtherPonders need a clearer term for shops that
are...umm...ahhh....across the pond from them?

--

Tony Cooper Orlando Florida

[CDB]

On 10/29/2020 11:56 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
> Peter Moylan wrote:
>> Tony Cooper wrote:
>>> Ross Clark <benl...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:

>>>> bil...@shaw.ca wrote:

>>>>> Is licence-free the same as off-licence in your English?
>>>>> I've never quite understood what off-licence means.
>>>>> Establishments here in Canada have to be licensed to serve
>>>>> booze, and without a licence, they can't.

>>>> In my understanding, it's essentially = "liquor store". A
>>>> place which has a licence to sell alcohol which must be
>>>> consumed off the premises. Differing in that essential way from
>>>> a pub. What a (licence-free) pub might be, we can only guess --
>>>> have unlicensed drinking establishments existed since the end
>>>> of prohibition?

>>> In the US, we also call a store that sells liquor to be consumed
>>> off-premises a "package store". I have no idea how that term
>>> came about since liquor has never been sold in a package.

>> The term here is "bottle shop", even though some of what they sell
>> is in cans, and then of course there are cask wines.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shottle_Bop

> That shows how little I know about Australian English. I've never
> seen, heard, nor read the term "bottle shop."

It must have been current in some parts of the US, or Theodore Sturgeon
wouldn't have titled one of his stories "Shottle Bop".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shottle_Bop

[CDB]

On 10/29/2020 4:38 PM, Ross Clark wrote:
> Ken Blake wrote:
>> bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
>>> Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>> bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
>>>>> Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>>> Lewis wrote:

>>>>>>> RH Draney <dado...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> skpf...@gmail.com wrote:

>>>>>>>>> instead of "please come in tomorrow".

>>>>>>>> Excuse me, I believe you have my stapler....r

>>>>>>> My hovercraft is filled with eels.

>>>>>> There's a video on YouTube in which the hovercraft is
>>>>>> filled with a (licence-free) pub.

>>>>> Is licence-free the same as off-licence in your English? I've
>>>>> never quite understood what off-licence means. Establishments
>>>>> here in Canada have to be licensed to serve booze, and

>>>>> without a licence, they can't. It was done to illustrate some
>>>>> of the more arcane aspects of UK
>>>> (or is it just England & Wales in this case) alcohol licencing
>>>> law.

>>>> To sell alcohol, the premises need a licence[1]. They wished
>>>> to make allowance for the sale of booze on (moving) trains
>>>> etc. where the concept of "premises" becomes a bit strange, so
>>>> they solved it by saying no licence was needed on a moving
>>>> vehicle.

>>>> Hence a bright spark fitted a beer pump to a hovercraft and
>>>> took on board some gin and a couple of bottles of tonic. As
>>>> the hovercraft circled a field, accomplices ran alongside,
>>>> ordered a drink, paid for the drink via a contactless card
>>>> transaction, and was handed their legally purchased drink.

>>>> Go to:

>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLF7yife8YE

>>>> If you wish to see the whole silly event.

>>>> [1] An "Off-Licence" is a place which has a licence to sell
>>>> alcohol which is to be consumed off of the premises (in
>>>> essence it's a shop which sells booze). A pub has a licence
>>>> which allows you stay there & drink.

>>> Thank you. So an off-license is what we call a liquor store. I
>>> think our naming system is a mite clearer than yours.

>>> We also have pubs/bars/clubs and restaurants that are licensed
>>> for on-premise consumption, of course.

>> What's the difference between a bar and a pub?

> In NZ 40+ years ago, the only places licensed to sell you a drink
> were hotels (plus a very few high-end restaurants). So a "pub" was
> part of a hotel (although in many cases the hotel business was
> rather pro forma and the pub was the main source of revenue). "Pub"
> was short for "public bar", where anybody could walk in and drink.
> Some big hotels had other bars ("lounge bar" is one term I recall)
> which were for hotel guests only.

One summer when I worked on a survey crew for the Department of Mines
and Technical Surveys, we stayed for a while at a hotel in the small
Ontario town of Hespeler, sleeping in some of the "eight standard beds"
they needed to have in order to sell liquor under a hotel licence.
Those weren't fancy, but they were cheap; and the crew boss kept what he
didn't spend of our accommodation allowance.

We were young, and the Jewish hotelier had a pretty teenage daughter
from whom I learned a Hebrew swear-word or two that she had picked up at
an Israeli youth camp.

[Peter T. Daniels]

Because OtherPonders persist in talking about the things to
HitherPonders. I have hitherto believed that an off-license
establishment was something _sub rosa_, like a speakeasy --
a place that wasn't actually licensed to serve alcohol but
actually did.

If one doesn't know that a word does not mean what one thinks
it means, one is unlikely to be disabused until that word
happens to be discussed for some reason.

When I was very little, my father asked, "When is a door not
a door?" and the answer was, "When it's a jar." I had never
heard the word "ajar," and he explained it meant 'open'. I
had no reason, for decades after, to suppose that it meant
'open only a little bit', for there are few contexts where
the difference would be apparent.

[Peter T. Daniels]

Or many of his readers were whooshed.

How long did it take for you to realize that the title "My Fair Lady"
is a pun?

[Tony Cooper]

On Fri, 30 Oct 2020 07:16:11 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"

It is not a matter of grammatical analysis. It is a matter of local
usage that is quite clear to the locals and can be clear to the
non-locals if the non-local is not too lazy or too indifferent to
search out the meaning.

Our politicians run for office. The UK politicians stand for office.
I don't know what the Canadians do, but it may involve a vehicle since
they are going for an office in a riding.

Your objection has been tabled.

[Tony Cooper]

On Fri, 30 Oct 2020 08:09:27 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"

The fact that you are too lazy or too indifferent to look up the
meaning of an OtherPonder's usage doesn't mean *they* are doing it
wrong.

The clue is that you seem to be the only person who is/was confused.

>When I was very little, my father asked, "When is a door not
>a door?" and the answer was, "When it's a jar." I had never
>heard the word "ajar," and he explained it meant 'open'. I
>had no reason, for decades after, to suppose that it meant
>'open only a little bit', for there are few contexts where
>the difference would be apparent.

All that shows is that you are a bit slower than most of us.

[Ken Blake]

Perhaps in many European countries. My only experience with it has been
in Italy.

--
Ken

[Tony Cooper]

On Fri, 30 Oct 2020 09:33:34 -0700, Ken Blake <k...@invalidemail.com>

There are several places in this area that do that, but with a slight
variation. The customer places the order with a cashier and receives
a plastic tent thing with a number on it, and the customer places that
on their table. A server brings the order to the table.

[Ken Blake]

On 10/29/2020 9:14 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Oct 2020 09:00:02 -0700, Ken Blake <k...@invalidemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On 10/28/2020 7:59 PM, bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 7:26:37 PM UTC-7, Sam Plusnet wrote:

>>>> On 29-Oct-20 0:28, bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
>>>> > On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 1:33:21 PM UTC-7, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>> >> On 28-Oct-20 0:37, Lewis wrote:
>>>> >>> In message <hvrim1...@mid.individual.net> RH Draney <dado...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>> >>>> On 10/27/2020 8:15 AM, skpf...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> instead of "please come in tomorrow".
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> Excuse me, I believe you have my stapler....r
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> My hovercraft is filled with eels.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >> There's a video on YouTube in which the hovercraft is filled with a
>>>> >> (licence-free) pub.
>>>> >>
>>>> > Is licence-free the same as off-licence in your English? I've
>>>> > never quite understood what off-licence means. Establishments
>>>> > here in Canada have to be licensed to serve booze, and without
>>>> > a licence, they can't.
>>>> >

>>>> It was done to illustrate some of the more arcane aspects of UK (or is
>>>> it just England & Wales in this case) alcohol licencing law.
>>>>
>>>> To sell alcohol, the premises need a licence[1].
>>>> They wished to make allowance for the sale of booze on (moving) trains
>>>> etc. where the concept of "premises" becomes a bit strange, so they
>>>> solved it by saying no licence was needed on a moving vehicle.
>>>>
>>>> Hence a bright spark fitted a beer pump to a hovercraft and took on
>>>> board some gin and a couple of bottles of tonic.
>>>> As the hovercraft circled a field, accomplices ran alongside, ordered a
>>>> drink, paid for the drink via a contactless card transaction, and was
>>>> handed their legally purchased drink.
>>>>
>>>> Go to:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLF7yife8YE
>>>>
>>>> If you wish to see the whole silly event.
>>>>

>>>> [1] An "Off-Licence" is a place which has a licence to sell alcohol
>>>> which is to be consumed off of the premises (in essence it's a shop
>>>> which sells booze).
>>>> A pub has a licence which allows you stay there & drink.
>>>>
>>> Thank you. So an off-license is what we call a liquor store.
>>> I think our naming system is a mite clearer than yours.
>>>
>>> We also have pubs/bars/clubs and restaurants that are licensed for
>>> on-premise consumption, of course.
>>
>>

>>What's the difference between a bar and a pub?
>

> Location, for the most part. In this city, it's a bar. In the UK,
> it's a pub.
>
> Although, there are several Orlando bars that have "pub" in the name.
> The only thing they have in common with a pub in the UK is that they
> serve alcoholic beverages.


Yes, I know what it's called in the UK. My question was primarily
directed at Bill who said they had both bars and pubs where he lives in
Canada.

--
Ken

[Ken Blake]

On 10/29/2020 10:59 AM, charles wrote:
> In article <qnrlpf5e278n2d0pu...@4ax.com>,
> Tony Cooper <tonyco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2020 08:54:50 -0700, Ken Blake <k...@invalidemail.com>
>> wrote:
>
>> >On 10/29/2020 7:54 AM, Lewis wrote:
>> >> In message <4a5fb343-4993-4361...@googlegroups.com> Jerry Friedman <jerry_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 4:13:47 AM UTC-6, Lewis wrote:
>> >>> ...
>> >>
>> >>>> The drinking age in BC is also 19, not 21, something that caused some of
>> >>>> the US parents at a UBC informational meeting to visibly panic.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "What do you do about liquor in dorm rooms?"
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "Nothing."
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "What do you do about on-campus parties with alcohol?"
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "Nothing."
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "Where do kids get alcohol?"
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "Kids do not get alcohol. Adults can buy alcohol in many stores or in
>> >>>> the Student Center pub."
>> >>
>> >>> Kids don't get alcohol in BC? I suspect that some find ways to buy
>> >>> it.
>> >>
>> >> Perhaps. I haven’t lived there, but there doesn't seem to be the
>> >> puritanical panic over alcohol that seems unique to the USA.
>> >>
>> >> When with my eldest at a restaurant I ordered us each drinks and there
>> >> was no song and dance about whether my kid was 19 or not, and no asking
>> >> the 50yo man for ID, both of which happen all the time in the US.
>> >
>> >
>> >Maybe in some states. I'm almost 83. It's been many years since I was
>> >last asked for an ID. I was certainly never asked anywhere near the age
>> >of 50.
>> >
>
>> There is a point in life when one is asked if they are a "Senior" and
>> entitled to a Senior discount. That is followed by the point in life
>> when it is assumed and no longer asked.
>
>> There are some women, I have been reliably told, that strongly object
>> to the assumption even though they qualify.

>
> a month ago, I was asked if I was over 65 - to get my flu jab. I was 80
> last May.

That reminds me that whenever I get my flu shot or do anything else in
the doctors office, after having checked in, the person I see always
asks me for my name and date of birth. After I reply, I always ask, "So,
am I me?"


--
Ken

[Ken Blake]

If that's the way it turns out to work here in the USA, I'll have to buy
a long-haired wig.


--
Ken

[Ken Blake]

On 10/29/2020 9:11 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Oct 2020 08:50:54 -0700, Ken Blake <k...@invalidemail.com>
> wrote:

>
>>On 10/29/2020 6:03 AM, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>>> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 4:13:47 AM UTC-6, Lewis wrote:
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> The drinking age in BC is also 19, not 21, something that caused some of
>>>> the US parents at a UBC informational meeting to visibly panic.
>>>>
>>>> "What do you do about liquor in dorm rooms?"
>>>>
>>>> "Nothing."
>>>>
>>>> "What do you do about on-campus parties with alcohol?"
>>>>
>>>> "Nothing."
>>>>
>>>> "Where do kids get alcohol?"
>>>>
>>>> "Kids do not get alcohol. Adults can buy alcohol in many stores or in
>>>> the Student Center pub."
>>>
>>> Kids don't get alcohol in BC? I suspect that some find ways to buy
>>> it.
>>
>>

>>No doubt. And some kids are undoubtedly given some by their parents.
>>
>>And some sneak into the liquor cabinet at home when their parents aren't
>>looking.
>>
>>And probably a few other ways.
>
> I can remember that in my high school days we'd stand outside a liquor
> store


"Liquor store"? I thought you said it was called a "package store" in
the USA. <G>

> asking people walking in if they'd buy us a six-pack of beer.
> There was always someone who would.
>
> If they agreed, we'd hand them the money. We did get stiffed a couple
> times when the agreeing person would take the money but not buy the
> beer.


I can't remember the first time I tasted beer or any other kind of
alcohol, but I think it was well past my high-school days.


--
Ken

[Ken Blake]

On 10/29/2020 9:33 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:

> In my post about my wife getting a "growler" filled, I used the term
> "tavern". If the establishment my father-in-law patronized in the
> 1940s still exists, it's probably called a "bar", but all family
> references to that place in those times were to "tavern".



I can't remember ever not knowing the word "tavern," but I also can't
remember ever calling what I call a "bar" a "tavern."


--
Ken

[Ken Blake]

On 10/29/2020 10:56 AM, charles wrote:
> In article <i00782...@mid.individual.net>,

> A 'pub' is short for 'public house'.


Yes, I know.


> Strickly speaking a self contained
> building where alcohol is served; in the past rarely much else, but
> nowadays a great many also serve food (gastro pub). A 'bar' is anywhere
> serving alcohol - often in a hotel.


Yes, perhaps I should have my question cleaeer but as I said to Tony, my
question was directed at Bill who said they had both bars and pubs where
he lives in Canada. I wanted to know some were called one thing and some
were called other *there*, not in the UK.


--
Ken

[Ken Blake]

Speaking of bars and coffee shops, in Italy (perhaps also in other
European countries; I don't know) a "bar" is a place where drinks are
sold. The most common drink sold in most bars is coffee, in any of its
many forms. There's usually also a shelf with bottles of alcohol, but in
my experience, it's rare that anything alcoholic is sold, with the
exception of caffeé corretto, coffee "corrected" by adding brandy or
some other kind of alcohol.

By the way, in Italy there's one price for caffeé if had at the bar,
standing up, and usually another higher, sometimes much higher, price if
had sitting down at a table.


--
Ken