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Peter Moylan
May 31, 2016, 11:06:13 PM5/31/16
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Lately the radio has been playing a song called "Moonlighting". I've
listened to most of the words, but have still had trouble working out
what the song was about.
I've now settled on thinking that it means what Australians call "a
midnight flit", where you leave a place surreptitiously, typically to
avoid paying the rent.
Is that what moonlighting means in AmE, or have I grasped the wrong end
of the stick?
In AusE, moonlighting means having a second job.
--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia
listened to most of the words, but have still had trouble working out
what the song was about.
I've now settled on thinking that it means what Australians call "a
midnight flit", where you leave a place surreptitiously, typically to
avoid paying the rent.
Is that what moonlighting means in AmE, or have I grasped the wrong end
of the stick?
In AusE, moonlighting means having a second job.
--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia
Horace LaBadie
May 31, 2016, 11:19:42 PM5/31/16
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In article <niljf2$hg4$1...@dont-email.me>,
Willis-Cybill Shepherd TV dramedy of that name. Music and words by Al
Jarreau.
The other is British, about a couple eloping.
The term moonlighting in American is the same as your definition, to
work a second job, usually at night.
Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
> Lately the radio has been playing a song called "Moonlighting". I've
> listened to most of the words, but have still had trouble working out
> what the song was about.
>
> I've now settled on thinking that it means what Australians call "a
> midnight flit", where you leave a place surreptitiously, typically to
> avoid paying the rent.
>
> Is that what moonlighting means in AmE, or have I grasped the wrong end
> of the stick?
>
> In AusE, moonlighting means having a second job.
There are two Moonlighting songs. One is the theme song from the Bruce
> Lately the radio has been playing a song called "Moonlighting". I've
> listened to most of the words, but have still had trouble working out
> what the song was about.
>
> I've now settled on thinking that it means what Australians call "a
> midnight flit", where you leave a place surreptitiously, typically to
> avoid paying the rent.
>
> Is that what moonlighting means in AmE, or have I grasped the wrong end
> of the stick?
>
> In AusE, moonlighting means having a second job.
Willis-Cybill Shepherd TV dramedy of that name. Music and words by Al
Jarreau.
The other is British, about a couple eloping.
The term moonlighting in American is the same as your definition, to
work a second job, usually at night.
Tony Cooper
Jun 1, 2016, 12:35:42 AM6/1/16
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On Wed, 01 Jun 2016 13:06:10 +1000, Peter Moylan
<pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>Lately the radio has been playing a song called "Moonlighting". I've
>listened to most of the words, but have still had trouble working out
>what the song was about.
>
>I've now settled on thinking that it means what Australians call "a
>midnight flit", where you leave a place surreptitiously, typically to
>avoid paying the rent.
>
>Is that what moonlighting means in AmE, or have I grasped the wrong end
>of the stick?
>
>In AusE, moonlighting means having a second job.
If it's this song, the last verse tells you what they're going to do
<pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>Lately the radio has been playing a song called "Moonlighting". I've
>listened to most of the words, but have still had trouble working out
>what the song was about.
>
>I've now settled on thinking that it means what Australians call "a
>midnight flit", where you leave a place surreptitiously, typically to
>avoid paying the rent.
>
>Is that what moonlighting means in AmE, or have I grasped the wrong end
>of the stick?
>
>In AusE, moonlighting means having a second job.
by moonlight:
He whispers slowly you did just fine
They shared the driving all through the night
She laughs my mother will have lost her mind
Were only ten miles to Gretna they're three hundred behind
"Gretna" has been a subject discussed in this group fairly recently.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Peter Moylan
Jun 1, 2016, 12:52:36 AM6/1/16
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On 2016-Jun-01 13:19, Horace LaBadie wrote:
> In article <niljf2$hg4$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Lately the radio has been playing a song called "Moonlighting". I've
>> listened to most of the words, but have still had trouble working out
>> what the song was about.
>>
>> I've now settled on thinking that it means what Australians call "a
>> midnight flit", where you leave a place surreptitiously, typically to
>> avoid paying the rent.
>>
>> Is that what moonlighting means in AmE, or have I grasped the wrong end
>> of the stick?
>>
>> In AusE, moonlighting means having a second job.
>
> There are two Moonlighting songs. One is the theme song from the Bruce
> Willis-Cybill Shepherd TV dramedy of that name. Music and words by Al
> Jarreau.
>
> The other is British, about a couple eloping.
That's the one. I didn't realise it was British. I also missed the
> In article <niljf2$hg4$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Lately the radio has been playing a song called "Moonlighting". I've
>> listened to most of the words, but have still had trouble working out
>> what the song was about.
>>
>> I've now settled on thinking that it means what Australians call "a
>> midnight flit", where you leave a place surreptitiously, typically to
>> avoid paying the rent.
>>
>> Is that what moonlighting means in AmE, or have I grasped the wrong end
>> of the stick?
>>
>> In AusE, moonlighting means having a second job.
>
> There are two Moonlighting songs. One is the theme song from the Bruce
> Willis-Cybill Shepherd TV dramedy of that name. Music and words by Al
> Jarreau.
>
> The other is British, about a couple eloping.
"Gretna" that Tony pointed out.
> The term moonlighting in American is the same as your definition, to
> work a second job, usually at night.
standard BrE usage, or just something the songwriter invented?
Tony Cooper
Jun 1, 2016, 1:28:44 AM6/1/16
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On Wed, 01 Jun 2016 14:52:33 +1000, Peter Moylan
<pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>On 2016-Jun-01 13:19, Horace LaBadie wrote:
>> In article <niljf2$hg4$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Lately the radio has been playing a song called "Moonlighting". I've
>>> listened to most of the words, but have still had trouble working out
>>> what the song was about.
>>>
>>> I've now settled on thinking that it means what Australians call "a
>>> midnight flit", where you leave a place surreptitiously, typically to
>>> avoid paying the rent.
>>>
>>> Is that what moonlighting means in AmE, or have I grasped the wrong end
>>> of the stick?
>>>
>>> In AusE, moonlighting means having a second job.
>>
>> There are two Moonlighting songs. One is the theme song from the Bruce
>> Willis-Cybill Shepherd TV dramedy of that name. Music and words by Al
>> Jarreau.
>>
>> The other is British, about a couple eloping.
>
>That's the one. I didn't realise it was British. I also missed the
>"Gretna" that Tony pointed out.
There are other British references in the Leo Sayer song: "a blue
<pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>On 2016-Jun-01 13:19, Horace LaBadie wrote:
>> In article <niljf2$hg4$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Lately the radio has been playing a song called "Moonlighting". I've
>>> listened to most of the words, but have still had trouble working out
>>> what the song was about.
>>>
>>> I've now settled on thinking that it means what Australians call "a
>>> midnight flit", where you leave a place surreptitiously, typically to
>>> avoid paying the rent.
>>>
>>> Is that what moonlighting means in AmE, or have I grasped the wrong end
>>> of the stick?
>>>
>>> In AusE, moonlighting means having a second job.
>>
>> There are two Moonlighting songs. One is the theme song from the Bruce
>> Willis-Cybill Shepherd TV dramedy of that name. Music and words by Al
>> Jarreau.
>>
>> The other is British, about a couple eloping.
>
>That's the one. I didn't realise it was British. I also missed the
>"Gretna" that Tony pointed out.
Morris van", cash from the "building society", "council offices", "m6
motorway", and "to pay Eddie's receipt" (for the respray job). The
"Carlisle turnoff" could be US or UK.
>
>> The term moonlighting in American is the same as your definition, to
>> work a second job, usually at night.
>
>So now my question must be changed. Is the "moonlighting" in the song a
>standard BrE usage, or just something the songwriter invented?
Dunno that part. All I know is that they're leaving by moonlight and
>> The term moonlighting in American is the same as your definition, to
>> work a second job, usually at night.
>
>So now my question must be changed. Is the "moonlighting" in the song a
>standard BrE usage, or just something the songwriter invented?
driving all night.
musika
Jun 1, 2016, 2:26:25 AM6/1/16
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--
Ray
UK
Unknown
Jun 1, 2016, 4:02:09 AM6/1/16
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moonlight (or possibly moonlit) flit has the same meaning you
mentioned, but sounds a bit archaic to me - modern usage would be to
'do a runner' though this is not as specific.
I know the TV series theme tune but not the Leo Sayer song (is he still
going? Blimey.) Any chance of a link?
DC
--
bert
Jun 1, 2016, 4:07:03 AM6/1/16
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On Wednesday, 1 June 2016 04:06:13 UTC+1, Peter Moylan wrote:
> Lately the radio has been playing a song called "Moonlighting". I've
> listened to most of the words, but have still had trouble working out
> what the song was about.
>
> I've now settled on thinking that it means what Australians call "a
> midnight flit", where you leave a place surreptitiously, typically to
> avoid paying the rent.
Curiously, in Scotland (or at any rate in Glasgow where
> Lately the radio has been playing a song called "Moonlighting". I've
> listened to most of the words, but have still had trouble working out
> what the song was about.
>
> I've now settled on thinking that it means what Australians call "a
> midnight flit", where you leave a place surreptitiously, typically to
> avoid paying the rent.
I grew up), that's a "moonlight flitting", usually with
the family's belongings packed onto a large handcart.
--
Eric Walker
Jun 1, 2016, 4:33:02 AM6/1/16
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On Wed, 01 Jun 2016 09:01:49 +0100, Django Cat wrote:
[...]
> No - moonlighting means having a second, probably unofficial, job. A
> moonlight (or possibly moonlit) flit has the same meaning you mentioned,
> but sounds a bit archaic to me - modern usage would be to 'do a runner'
> though this is not as specific.
I have always (so far as I can remember) encountered it as "a midnight
flit", but I daresay there's little enough difference.
[...]
> No - moonlighting means having a second, probably unofficial, job. A
> moonlight (or possibly moonlit) flit has the same meaning you mentioned,
> but sounds a bit archaic to me - modern usage would be to 'do a runner'
> though this is not as specific.
flit", but I daresay there's little enough difference.
Unknown
Jun 1, 2016, 5:19:20 AM6/1/16
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DC
--
Stan Brown
Jun 1, 2016, 6:51:56 AM6/1/16
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On Wed, 01 Jun 2016 13:06:10 +1000, Peter Moylan wrote:
>
> Lately the radio has been playing a song called "Moonlighting". I've
> listened to most of the words, but have still had trouble working out
> what the song was about.
>
> I've now settled on thinking that it means what Australians call "a
> midnight flit", where you leave a place surreptitiously, typically to
> avoid paying the rent.
>
> Is that what moonlighting means in AmE, or have I grasped the wrong end
> of the stick?
>
> In AusE, moonlighting means having a second job.
And in AmE as well. We don't have "moonlight flit" -- we'd call that
>
> Lately the radio has been playing a song called "Moonlighting". I've
> listened to most of the words, but have still had trouble working out
> what the song was about.
>
> I've now settled on thinking that it means what Australians call "a
> midnight flit", where you leave a place surreptitiously, typically to
> avoid paying the rent.
>
> Is that what moonlighting means in AmE, or have I grasped the wrong end
> of the stick?
>
> In AusE, moonlighting means having a second job.
"skipping out".
There was an extremely popular TV show in the 1980s, /Moonlighting/,
starring Cybill Shepherd and a young Bruce Willis. Al Jarreau wrote
and sang the show's theme song. One set of lyrics is here:
https://www.quedeletras.com/letra-moonlighting/chipper/106054.html
though there were variations over the course of the show's history.
But the show had nothing to do with second jobs. Shepherd and Willis
played two detectives, neither of whom had another job.
--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://BrownMath.com/
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
"The difference between the /almost right/ word and the
/right/ word is ... the difference between the lightning-bug
and the lightning." --Mark Twain
RH Draney
Jun 1, 2016, 7:11:32 AM6/1/16
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Peter Duncanson [BrE]
Jun 1, 2016, 7:22:31 AM6/1/16
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"flit(ting)".
This matches my experience:
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/flit
flit
verb (flits, flitting, flitted)
[no object, with adverbial of direction]
1 Move swiftly and lightly
1.1 [no object] chiefly Scottish & Northern English: Move house or
leave one’s home, typically secretly so as to escape creditors
or obligations.
noun
British informal
An act of moving house or leaving one’s home, typically secretly so
as to escape creditors or obligations:
"moonlight flits from one insalubrious dwelling to another"
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
Peter Duncanson [BrE]
Jun 1, 2016, 7:31:52 AM6/1/16
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On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 06:51:52 -0400, Stan Brown
<the_sta...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>On Wed, 01 Jun 2016 13:06:10 +1000, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>
>> Lately the radio has been playing a song called "Moonlighting". I've
>> listened to most of the words, but have still had trouble working out
>> what the song was about.
>>
>> I've now settled on thinking that it means what Australians call "a
>> midnight flit", where you leave a place surreptitiously, typically to
>> avoid paying the rent.
>>
>> Is that what moonlighting means in AmE, or have I grasped the wrong end
>> of the stick?
>>
>> In AusE, moonlighting means having a second job.
>
>And in AmE as well. We don't have "moonlight flit" -- we'd call that
>"skipping out".
>
>There was an extremely popular TV show in the 1980s, /Moonlighting/,
>starring Cybill Shepherd and a young Bruce Willis. Al Jarreau wrote
>and sang the show's theme song. One set of lyrics is here:
>https://www.quedeletras.com/letra-moonlighting/chipper/106054.html
>though there were variations over the course of the show's history.
>
>But the show had nothing to do with second jobs. Shepherd and Willis
>played two detectives, neither of whom had another job.
The two detectives were partners in the Blue Moon Detective Agency.
<the_sta...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>On Wed, 01 Jun 2016 13:06:10 +1000, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>
>> Lately the radio has been playing a song called "Moonlighting". I've
>> listened to most of the words, but have still had trouble working out
>> what the song was about.
>>
>> I've now settled on thinking that it means what Australians call "a
>> midnight flit", where you leave a place surreptitiously, typically to
>> avoid paying the rent.
>>
>> Is that what moonlighting means in AmE, or have I grasped the wrong end
>> of the stick?
>>
>> In AusE, moonlighting means having a second job.
>
>And in AmE as well. We don't have "moonlight flit" -- we'd call that
>"skipping out".
>
>There was an extremely popular TV show in the 1980s, /Moonlighting/,
>starring Cybill Shepherd and a young Bruce Willis. Al Jarreau wrote
>and sang the show's theme song. One set of lyrics is here:
>https://www.quedeletras.com/letra-moonlighting/chipper/106054.html
>though there were variations over the course of the show's history.
>
>But the show had nothing to do with second jobs. Shepherd and Willis
>played two detectives, neither of whom had another job.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonlighting_%28TV_series%29#Premise
....City of Angels Detective Agency, helmed by the carefree David
Addison {Bruce Willis}. Between the pilot and the first one-hour
episode, David persuades Maddie {Cybill Shepherd} to keep the
business and run it as a partnership. The agency is renamed Blue
Moon Investigations because Maddie was most famous for being the
spokesmodel for the (fictitious) Blue Moon Shampoo Company. In many
episodes, she was recognized as "the Blue Moon shampoo girl," if not
by name.
Janet
Jun 1, 2016, 7:33:43 AM6/1/16
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In article <nilpmh$vs4$2...@dont-email.me>, pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid
says...
"Doing a moonlight flit" is in common Br E usage and appears in
dictionaries.
Janet.
says...
dictionaries.
Janet.
Peter Duncanson [BrE]
Jun 1, 2016, 1:16:16 PM6/1/16
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Janet
Jun 1, 2016, 2:56:52 PM6/1/16
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Peter Moylan
Jun 2, 2016, 3:30:58 AM6/2/16
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(perhaps we're more likely to do it at new moon when it's darker), but
that still leaves me puzzled by the song. Would this activity ever be
called "moonlighting" in BrE?
Originally I thought the song was about a problem faced by some young
couples: they have no social life and hardly ever see each other because
they're busy holding down two jobs each. If that's not the case -- and
apparently it isn't -- then the title makes no sense to me.
Unknown
Jun 2, 2016, 10:00:36 AM6/2/16
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Peter Moylan wrote:
> > >
> >>> The term moonlighting in American is the same as your definition,
> to >>> work a second job, usually at night.
> > >
> >> So now my question must be changed. Is the "moonlighting" in the
> song a >> standard BrE usage, or just something the songwriter
> invented?
> >
> > "Doing a moonlight flit" is in common Br E usage and appears in
> > dictionaries.
>
> It's clear that your moonlight flit is the same as our midnight flit
> (perhaps we're more likely to do it at new moon when it's darker),
But much harder to load your stuff in the back of a van (or on a
> > >
> >>> The term moonlighting in American is the same as your definition,
> to >>> work a second job, usually at night.
> > >
> >> So now my question must be changed. Is the "moonlighting" in the
> song a >> standard BrE usage, or just something the songwriter
> invented?
> >
> > "Doing a moonlight flit" is in common Br E usage and appears in
> > dictionaries.
>
> It's clear that your moonlight flit is the same as our midnight flit
> (perhaps we're more likely to do it at new moon when it's darker),
handcart).
> but
> that still leaves me puzzled by the song. Would this activity ever be
> called "moonlighting" in BrE?
Hang on... is this "Moonlighting... they're leaving all their friends,
moonlighting, something, something, something, to-geth-er, something,
something, something about the weather"? You know, that one? Is that
Leo Sayer, then?
DC
--
Janet
Jun 2, 2016, 12:37:25 PM6/2/16
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In article <nionbf$h9u$1...@dont-email.me>, pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid
Not in my Br E, where "moonlighting" means having a second job on the
side
>
> Originally I thought the song was about a problem faced by some young
> couples: they have no social life and hardly ever see each other because
> they're busy holding down two jobs each. If that's not the case -- and
> apparently it isn't -- then the title makes no sense to me.
Lights will guide you home, and ignite your bones, and I will try to
fix you. (Coldplay)
Do song lyrics ever make sense? :-)
Janet.
side
>
> Originally I thought the song was about a problem faced by some young
> couples: they have no social life and hardly ever see each other because
> they're busy holding down two jobs each. If that's not the case -- and
> apparently it isn't -- then the title makes no sense to me.
fix you. (Coldplay)
Do song lyrics ever make sense? :-)
Janet.
Lesmond
Jun 2, 2016, 4:20:02 PM6/2/16
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>Any chance of a link?
>
--
Queen of the fucking universe.
Robert Bannister
Jun 2, 2016, 10:23:00 PM6/2/16
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On 2/06/2016 10:00 PM, Django Cat wrote:
> Peter Moylan wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>>> The term moonlighting in American is the same as your definition,
>> to >>> work a second job, usually at night.
>>>>
>>>> So now my question must be changed. Is the "moonlighting" in the
>> song a >> standard BrE usage, or just something the songwriter
>> invented?
>>>
>>> "Doing a moonlight flit" is in common Br E usage and appears in
>>> dictionaries.
>>
>> It's clear that your moonlight flit is the same as our midnight flit
>> (perhaps we're more likely to do it at new moon when it's darker),
>
> But much harder to load your stuff in the back of a van (or on a
> handcart).
I'm not even sure what a handcart looks like, let alone where to find one.
> Peter Moylan wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>>> The term moonlighting in American is the same as your definition,
>> to >>> work a second job, usually at night.
>>>>
>>>> So now my question must be changed. Is the "moonlighting" in the
>> song a >> standard BrE usage, or just something the songwriter
>> invented?
>>>
>>> "Doing a moonlight flit" is in common Br E usage and appears in
>>> dictionaries.
>>
>> It's clear that your moonlight flit is the same as our midnight flit
>> (perhaps we're more likely to do it at new moon when it's darker),
>
> But much harder to load your stuff in the back of a van (or on a
> handcart).
--
Robert B. born England a long time ago;
Western Australia since 1972
snide...@gmail.com
Jun 2, 2016, 10:30:43 PM6/2/16
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<URL:http://www.mormonsandtrek.com/images/mormon_handcart.jpg>
<URL:https://papamichael.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/handcart-on-the-plains.jpg>
<URL:http://www.4to40.com/images/coloring_book/handcart.gif>
but this being modern times and all, you could try
<URL:http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/handcart-sunlit-garden-35984106.jpg>
or even
<URL:https://d2pbmlo3fglvvr.cloudfront.net/product/full/Z-oJK-ocpEx_.JPG>
/dps
David Kleinecke
Jun 2, 2016, 10:32:12 PM6/2/16
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On Thursday, June 2, 2016 at 7:23:00 PM UTC-7, Robert Bannister wrote:
Tony Cooper
Jun 3, 2016, 12:03:33 AM6/3/16
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some people are sent to Hell in.
Richard Bollard
Jun 3, 2016, 12:49:41 AM6/3/16
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My old man, said follow the van
And don't dilly dally on the way ...
--
Richard Bollard
Canberra Australia
To email, I'm at AMT not spAMT.
Richard Tobin
Jun 3, 2016, 4:05:03 AM6/3/16
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In article <142a0c20-50df-484d...@googlegroups.com>,
with good intentions.
-- Richard
David Kleinecke <dklei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm not even sure what a handcart looks like, let alone where to find one.
>Look in Hell. They're piled up there.
It would be quite easily to wheel them back, as the road is paved
>> I'm not even sure what a handcart looks like, let alone where to find one.
>Look in Hell. They're piled up there.
with good intentions.
-- Richard
Unknown
Jun 3, 2016, 4:26:10 AM6/3/16
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DC
--
Helen Lacedaemonian
Jun 3, 2016, 5:23:05 AM6/3/16
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Best,
Helen
Bertel Lund Hansen
Jun 3, 2016, 5:56:53 AM6/3/16
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Richard Tobin skrev:
>>Look in Hell. They're piled up there.
> It would be quite easily to wheel them back, as the road is paved
> with good intentions.
and smoothed with excuses.
--
Bertel, Kolt, Denmark
>>Look in Hell. They're piled up there.
> It would be quite easily to wheel them back, as the road is paved
> with good intentions.
--
Bertel, Kolt, Denmark
Katy Jennison
Jun 3, 2016, 11:57:04 AM6/3/16
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--
Katy Jennison
Robert Bannister
Jun 3, 2016, 11:54:27 PM6/3/16
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foreign. I suppose there is a difference between a handcart and a
wheelbarrow.
Mark Brader
Jun 4, 2016, 3:09:29 PM6/4/16
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Robert Bannister:
of cart has at least two. Also, a wheelbarrow has a sort of rectangular
dish shape suitable for carrying gravel, soil, powders, and the like.
--
Mark Brader "Never re-invent the wheel unnecessarily;
Toronto yours may have corners."
m...@vex.net -- Henry Spencer
My text in this article is in the public domain.
> I suppose there is a difference between a handcart and a wheelbarrow.
For me, the canonical wheelbarrow has a single wheel while any sort
of cart has at least two. Also, a wheelbarrow has a sort of rectangular
dish shape suitable for carrying gravel, soil, powders, and the like.
--
Mark Brader "Never re-invent the wheel unnecessarily;
Toronto yours may have corners."
m...@vex.net -- Henry Spencer
My text in this article is in the public domain.
Horace LaBadie
Jun 4, 2016, 3:54:09 PM6/4/16
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In article <n-adndtI54f7us7K...@giganews.com>,
m...@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote:
> Robert Bannister:
> > I suppose there is a difference between a handcart and a wheelbarrow.
>
> For me, the canonical wheelbarrow has a single wheel while any sort
> of cart has at least two. Also, a wheelbarrow has a sort of rectangular
> dish shape suitable for carrying gravel, soil, powders, and the like.
And a handbarrow has no wheels.
> Robert Bannister:
> > I suppose there is a difference between a handcart and a wheelbarrow.
>
> For me, the canonical wheelbarrow has a single wheel while any sort
> of cart has at least two. Also, a wheelbarrow has a sort of rectangular
> dish shape suitable for carrying gravel, soil, powders, and the like.
Robert Bannister
Jun 4, 2016, 8:18:53 PM6/4/16
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On 5/06/2016 3:09 AM, Mark Brader wrote:
> Robert Bannister:
>> I suppose there is a difference between a handcart and a wheelbarrow.
>
> For me, the canonical wheelbarrow has a single wheel while any sort
> of cart has at least two. Also, a wheelbarrow has a sort of rectangular
> dish shape suitable for carrying gravel, soil, powders, and the like.
>
There are also the barrows used by the eponymous barrow boys. These are
> Robert Bannister:
>> I suppose there is a difference between a handcart and a wheelbarrow.
>
> For me, the canonical wheelbarrow has a single wheel while any sort
> of cart has at least two. Also, a wheelbarrow has a sort of rectangular
> dish shape suitable for carrying gravel, soil, powders, and the like.
>
(mainly "were" these days) very long barrows which acted as fruit & veg
stalls when parked:
http://www.fotolibra.com/gallery/61074/barrow-boy-with-drug-abuse-sign-liverpool/
or
http://tinyurl.com/jmnddgp
Charles Bishop
Jul 17, 2016, 12:39:45 PM7/17/16
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Charles Bishop
Jul 17, 2016, 12:43:30 PM7/17/16
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> Robert Bannister:
> > I suppose there is a difference between a handcart and a wheelbarrow.
>
> For me, the canonical wheelbarrow has a single wheel while any sort
> of cart has at least two. Also, a wheelbarrow has a sort of rectangular
> dish shape suitable for carrying gravel, soil, powders, and the like.
And my image of a handcart has a box, set upon an axel with two wheels.
> > I suppose there is a difference between a handcart and a wheelbarrow.
>
> For me, the canonical wheelbarrow has a single wheel while any sort
> of cart has at least two. Also, a wheelbarrow has a sort of rectangular
> dish shape suitable for carrying gravel, soil, powders, and the like.
From the "back" of the box are two poles, roughly 2 feet long and
between them is another pole. The person grasps this pole (handle) and
can push[1] the handcart.
[1] Otherthread - exerting a force upon the handle moving the cart. The
handle (pushee) is also exerting a force on the hands of the pusher.
--
charles
Charles Bishop
Jul 17, 2016, 12:45:20 PM7/17/16
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In article <drh9f9...@mid.individual.net>,
Charles, in streets narrow
Robert Bannister <rob...@clubtelco.com> wrote:
> On 5/06/2016 3:09 AM, Mark Brader wrote:
> > Robert Bannister:
> >> I suppose there is a difference between a handcart and a wheelbarrow.
> >
> > For me, the canonical wheelbarrow has a single wheel while any sort
> > of cart has at least two. Also, a wheelbarrow has a sort of rectangular
> > dish shape suitable for carrying gravel, soil, powders, and the like.
> >
>
> There are also the barrows used by the eponymous barrow boys. These are
> (mainly "were" these days) very long barrows which acted as fruit & veg
> stalls when parked:
>
> http://www.fotolibra.com/gallery/61074/barrow-boy-with-drug-abuse-sign-liverpo
> ol/
>
> or
> http://tinyurl.com/jmnddgp
Molly Malone is said to have a barrow, as well.
> On 5/06/2016 3:09 AM, Mark Brader wrote:
> > Robert Bannister:
> >> I suppose there is a difference between a handcart and a wheelbarrow.
> >
> > For me, the canonical wheelbarrow has a single wheel while any sort
> > of cart has at least two. Also, a wheelbarrow has a sort of rectangular
> > dish shape suitable for carrying gravel, soil, powders, and the like.
> >
>
> There are also the barrows used by the eponymous barrow boys. These are
> (mainly "were" these days) very long barrows which acted as fruit & veg
> stalls when parked:
>
> http://www.fotolibra.com/gallery/61074/barrow-boy-with-drug-abuse-sign-liverpo
> ol/
>
> or
> http://tinyurl.com/jmnddgp
Charles, in streets narrow
Peter T. Daniels
Jul 17, 2016, 1:39:29 PM7/17/16
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are the opposite: they were drawn by humans pulling on poles protruding from
the front of the box, in lieu of oxen. They pulled on the poles by pushing
the crossbar in front of them.
Tony Cooper
Jul 17, 2016, 1:47:30 PM7/17/16
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(American and Canadian) Indians had less to transport, so their
carrier was less complex in design.
http://www.lakota-indians.narod.ru/Canadaindians.files/Travois.jpg
Peter T. Daniels
Jul 17, 2016, 1:57:35 PM7/17/16
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It's been a while -- when I was there SLC was desperately hoping to get the 2002
Olympics, so it was probably 1995. I think it's Marriott hotels that have a
copy of the sculpture in the lobby, but our meetings have been at Hyatts recently.
(Which do, though, offer a Book of Mormon alongside the Gideon Bible.)
> http://www.lakota-indians.narod.ru/Canadaindians.files/Travois.jpg
Robert Bannister
Jul 17, 2016, 6:55:57 PM7/17/16
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On 18/07/2016 12:43 AM, Charles Bishop wrote:
> In article <n-adndtI54f7us7K...@giganews.com>,
> m...@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote:
>
>> Robert Bannister:
>>> I suppose there is a difference between a handcart and a wheelbarrow.
>>
>> For me, the canonical wheelbarrow has a single wheel while any sort
>> of cart has at least two. Also, a wheelbarrow has a sort of rectangular
>> dish shape suitable for carrying gravel, soil, powders, and the like.
>
> And my image of a handcart has a box, set upon an axel with two wheels.
> From the "back" of the box are two poles, roughly 2 feet long and
> between them is another pole. The person grasps this pole (handle) and
> can push[1] the handcart.
Sounds like the sort of trolley tea-ladies used to have back in the days
> In article <n-adndtI54f7us7K...@giganews.com>,
> m...@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote:
>
>> Robert Bannister:
>>> I suppose there is a difference between a handcart and a wheelbarrow.
>>
>> For me, the canonical wheelbarrow has a single wheel while any sort
>> of cart has at least two. Also, a wheelbarrow has a sort of rectangular
>> dish shape suitable for carrying gravel, soil, powders, and the like.
>
> And my image of a handcart has a box, set upon an axel with two wheels.
> From the "back" of the box are two poles, roughly 2 feet long and
> between them is another pole. The person grasps this pole (handle) and
> can push[1] the handcart.
when there were tea-ladies.
Janet
Jul 17, 2016, 8:14:04 PM7/17/16
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In article <008e065d-e02d-4547...@googlegroups.com>,
gram...@verizon.net says...
When he was a boyscout, my husband's troup had a handcart which they
used to transport all their camping equipment to summer camps. The boys
pushed or pulled that cart for miles . Back then you also saw handcarts
at train stations, when porters still moved and loaded the passengers
luggage.
Janet
gram...@verizon.net says...
used to transport all their camping equipment to summer camps. The boys
pushed or pulled that cart for miles . Back then you also saw handcarts
at train stations, when porters still moved and loaded the passengers
luggage.
Janet
RH Draney
Jul 17, 2016, 10:34:13 PM7/17/16
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On 7/17/2016 5:14 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article <008e065d-e02d-4547...@googlegroups.com>,
> gram...@verizon.net says...
>>
> In article <008e065d-e02d-4547...@googlegroups.com>,
> gram...@verizon.net says...
>>
>> The handcarts depicted in sculptures of Mormons arriving at the SLC location
>> are the opposite: they were drawn by humans pulling on poles protruding from
>> the front of the box, in lieu of oxen. They pulled on the poles by pushing
>> the crossbar in front of them.
>
> When he was a boyscout, my husband's troup had a handcart which they
> used to transport all their camping equipment to summer camps. The boys
> pushed or pulled that cart for miles . Back then you also saw handcarts
> at train stations, when porters still moved and loaded the passengers
> luggage.
The travois, mentioned nearby in this thread, is ridden by "Trinity"
>> are the opposite: they were drawn by humans pulling on poles protruding from
>> the front of the box, in lieu of oxen. They pulled on the poles by pushing
>> the crossbar in front of them.
>
> When he was a boyscout, my husband's troup had a handcart which they
> used to transport all their camping equipment to summer camps. The boys
> pushed or pulled that cart for miles . Back then you also saw handcarts
> at train stations, when porters still moved and loaded the passengers
> luggage.
when first we meet him...he entrusts his destination and route entirely
to his horse, and thinks wheels are for actors who don't need their
dialogue dubbed....
I see the travois made it into the trailer:
https://youtu.be/fkZQ5iXSMs8
....r
Charles Bishop
Jul 17, 2016, 11:38:47 PM7/17/16
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In article <dv2gnq...@mid.individual.net>,
Same basic shape, but the old style hand cart would be wood and bigger
than a tea trolley.
Plenty of room for those traveling to Hell.
--
charles
than a tea trolley.
Plenty of room for those traveling to Hell.
--
charles
bill van
Jul 17, 2016, 11:57:59 PM7/17/16
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In article <nmhf6...@news7.newsguy.com>,
I'd forgotten about those "Trinity" spaghetti westerns. I thought there
had been two or three of them, but your post prompted me to find out
that the two principal actors -- Terence Hill and Bud Spencer -- made 20
or more, presumably for the Italian market.
I was suspicious of Bud Spencer's name, given that he was 100 per cent
dubbed into English. His real name was Carlo Pedersoli; he just died
last month at 86.
--
bill
had been two or three of them, but your post prompted me to find out
that the two principal actors -- Terence Hill and Bud Spencer -- made 20
or more, presumably for the Italian market.
I was suspicious of Bud Spencer's name, given that he was 100 per cent
dubbed into English. His real name was Carlo Pedersoli; he just died
last month at 86.
--
bill
Tony Cooper
Jul 18, 2016, 12:16:42 AM7/18/16
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On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 01:14:00 +0100, Janet <nob...@home.com> wrote:
> When he was a boyscout, my husband's troup had a handcart which they
>used to transport all their camping equipment to summer camps. The boys
>pushed or pulled that cart for miles . Back then you also saw handcarts
>at train stations, when porters still moved and loaded the passengers
>luggage.
We see, evidently, another example of the British inclination to
> When he was a boyscout, my husband's troup had a handcart which they
>used to transport all their camping equipment to summer camps. The boys
>pushed or pulled that cart for miles . Back then you also saw handcarts
>at train stations, when porters still moved and loaded the passengers
>luggage.
sprinkle "u"s into as many words as possible. In the US, the Boy
Scouts belong to a "troop".
http://www.troop641orlando.org/
Actors, dancers, etc. are in "troupes".
RH Draney
Jul 18, 2016, 2:11:06 AM7/18/16
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On 7/17/2016 8:57 PM, bill van wrote:
> I'd forgotten about those "Trinity" spaghetti westerns. I thought there
> had been two or three of them, but your post prompted me to find out
> that the two principal actors -- Terence Hill and Bud Spencer -- made 20
> or more, presumably for the Italian market.
Your source may have phrased things muddily...I don't doubt that they
> I'd forgotten about those "Trinity" spaghetti westerns. I thought there
> had been two or three of them, but your post prompted me to find out
> that the two principal actors -- Terence Hill and Bud Spencer -- made 20
> or more, presumably for the Italian market.
were teamed in twenty or more movies, but not all of those were
"Trinity" pics, nor even westerns (I'm remembering both "Crime Busters"
and "Miami Supercops", with a contemporary urban setting and the two
actors as uniformed policemen)....r
Katy Jennison
Jul 18, 2016, 7:08:06 AM7/18/16
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On 18/07/2016 05:16, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 01:14:00 +0100, Janet <nob...@home.com> wrote:
>
>> When he was a boyscout, my husband's troup had a handcart which they
>> used to transport all their camping equipment to summer camps. The boys
>> pushed or pulled that cart for miles . Back then you also saw handcarts
>> at train stations, when porters still moved and loaded the passengers
>> luggage.
>
> We see, evidently, another example of the British inclination to
> sprinkle "u"s into as many words as possible. In the US, the Boy
> Scouts belong to a "troop".
In most of the UK it's the same. I can't speak for Scotland, though
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 01:14:00 +0100, Janet <nob...@home.com> wrote:
>
>> When he was a boyscout, my husband's troup had a handcart which they
>> used to transport all their camping equipment to summer camps. The boys
>> pushed or pulled that cart for miles . Back then you also saw handcarts
>> at train stations, when porters still moved and loaded the passengers
>> luggage.
>
> We see, evidently, another example of the British inclination to
> sprinkle "u"s into as many words as possible. In the US, the Boy
> Scouts belong to a "troop".
> Actors, dancers, etc. are in "troupes".
>
trek-cart* pulling.
*That's what we called them in my youth. (I have pulled trek-carts, oh
yes, but not with the Boy Scouts.)
--
Katy Jennison
Peter Duncanson [BrE]
Jul 18, 2016, 8:19:43 AM7/18/16
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On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 12:08:05 +0100, Katy Jennison
<ka...@spamtrap.kjennison.com> wrote:
>On 18/07/2016 05:16, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 01:14:00 +0100, Janet <nob...@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> When he was a boyscout, my husband's troup had a handcart which they
>>> used to transport all their camping equipment to summer camps. The boys
>>> pushed or pulled that cart for miles . Back then you also saw handcarts
>>> at train stations, when porters still moved and loaded the passengers
>>> luggage.
>>
>> We see, evidently, another example of the British inclination to
>> sprinkle "u"s into as many words as possible. In the US, the Boy
>> Scouts belong to a "troop".
>
>In most of the UK it's the same. I can't speak for Scotland, though
>
Scouts (UK):
<ka...@spamtrap.kjennison.com> wrote:
>On 18/07/2016 05:16, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 01:14:00 +0100, Janet <nob...@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> When he was a boyscout, my husband's troup had a handcart which they
>>> used to transport all their camping equipment to summer camps. The boys
>>> pushed or pulled that cart for miles . Back then you also saw handcarts
>>> at train stations, when porters still moved and loaded the passengers
>>> luggage.
>>
>> We see, evidently, another example of the British inclination to
>> sprinkle "u"s into as many words as possible. In the US, the Boy
>> Scouts belong to a "troop".
>
>In most of the UK it's the same. I can't speak for Scotland, though
>
http://scouts.org.uk/about-us/organisational-information/local-structure/
Local structure
Scout Groups, Districts, Counties (Areas/Scottish Regions)
The basic unit of organisation is the Scout Group. This is based in
a local community and usually consists of Beaver Scouts, Cub Scouts
and Scouts.
Some Groups are larger or smaller depending on where they are
located. One Group may contain one or two Beaver Scout Colonies, one
or two Cub Scout Packs and a Scout Troop. Another may consist only
of one section.
A number of Groups in a certain locality constitute a Scout
District. A number of Districts make up a County (or Area in Wales
and Northern Ireland and a Region in Scotland).
>> Actors, dancers, etc. are in "troupes".
>>
>
>Perhaps this troop engaged in a bit of acting and dancing along with its
>trek-cart* pulling.
>
>*That's what we called them in my youth. (I have pulled trek-carts, oh
>yes, but not with the Boy Scouts.)
--
(in alt.usage.english)
Janet
Jul 18, 2016, 2:21:03 PM7/18/16
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Sam Plusnet
Jul 18, 2016, 4:55:04 PM7/18/16
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In article <ctbishop-35285E...@news.individual.net>,
ctbi...@earthlink.net says...
Useful piece of kit when the Black Death visits the region.
(I suspect that Monty Python has influenced my view)
ctbi...@earthlink.net says...
(I suspect that Monty Python has influenced my view)
Horace LaBadie
Jul 18, 2016, 5:49:01 PM7/18/16
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Tak To
Jul 18, 2016, 7:12:10 PM7/18/16
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On 7/17/2016 11:57 PM, bill van wrote:
> I'd forgotten about those "Trinity" spaghetti westerns. I thought there
> had been two or three of them, but your post prompted me to find out
> that the two principal actors -- Terence Hill and Bud Spencer -- made 20
> or more, presumably for the Italian market.
The international market. I remember those spaghetti westerns
> I'd forgotten about those "Trinity" spaghetti westerns. I thought there
> had been two or three of them, but your post prompted me to find out
> that the two principal actors -- Terence Hill and Bud Spencer -- made 20
> or more, presumably for the Italian market.
They are great fun; a bit like Asterix and Obelix.
> I was suspicious of Bud Spencer's name, given that he was 100 per cent
> dubbed into English. His real name was Carlo Pedersoli; he just died
> last month at 86.
--
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[taode takto ~{LU5B~}] NB: trim the xx to get my real email addr
Robert Bannister
Jul 18, 2016, 7:25:24 PM7/18/16
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efficient system. I have vague recollections of two films: in one, there
was a very long escalator with no "up"; in the other, a group of people
in a lift that went down a very long way.
Mack A. Damia
Jul 18, 2016, 7:46:56 PM7/18/16
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On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 07:25:20 +0800, Robert Bannister
Ask a vertical-transportation-industry professional to recall an
episode of an elevator in free fall—the cab plummeting in the
shaftway, frayed rope ends trailing in the dark—and he will say that
he can think of only one. That would be the Empire State Building
incident of 1945, in which a B-25 bomber pilot made a wrong turn in
the fog and crashed into the seventy-ninth floor, snapping the hoist
and safety cables of two elevators. Both of them plunged to the bottom
of the shaft. One of them fell from the seventy-fifth floor with a
woman aboard—an elevator operator. (The operator of the other one had
stepped out for a cigarette.) By the time the car crashed into the
buffer in the pit (a hydraulic truncheon designed to be a cushion of
last resort), a thousand feet of cable had piled up beneath it,
serving as a kind of spring. A pillow of air pressure, as the speeding
car compressed the air in the shaft, may have helped ease the impact
as well. Still, the landing was not soft. The car’s walls buckled, and
steel debris tore up through the floor. It was the woman’s good
fortune to be cowering in a corner when the car hit. She was severely
injured but alive.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2008/04/21/up-and-then-down
episode of an elevator in free fall—the cab plummeting in the
shaftway, frayed rope ends trailing in the dark—and he will say that
he can think of only one. That would be the Empire State Building
incident of 1945, in which a B-25 bomber pilot made a wrong turn in
the fog and crashed into the seventy-ninth floor, snapping the hoist
and safety cables of two elevators. Both of them plunged to the bottom
of the shaft. One of them fell from the seventy-fifth floor with a
woman aboard—an elevator operator. (The operator of the other one had
stepped out for a cigarette.) By the time the car crashed into the
buffer in the pit (a hydraulic truncheon designed to be a cushion of
last resort), a thousand feet of cable had piled up beneath it,
serving as a kind of spring. A pillow of air pressure, as the speeding
car compressed the air in the shaft, may have helped ease the impact
as well. Still, the landing was not soft. The car’s walls buckled, and
steel debris tore up through the floor. It was the woman’s good
fortune to be cowering in a corner when the car hit. She was severely
injured but alive.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2008/04/21/up-and-then-down
RH Draney
Jul 19, 2016, 1:44:38 AM7/19/16
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over in a boat...I never got to hear what happened to those who failed
to tip the ferryman....r
Peter Moylan
Jul 19, 2016, 7:55:11 AM7/19/16
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--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia
Peter Moylan
Jul 19, 2016, 7:59:22 AM7/19/16
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On 2016-Jul-19 09:25, Robert Bannister wrote:
>
> You'd have thought Hell would have had an altogether faster and more
> efficient system. I have vague recollections of two films: in one, there
> was a very long escalator with no "up"; in the other, a group of people
> in a lift that went down a very long way.
In my mind the escalator is associated with a Bugs Bunny cartoon. I've
>
> You'd have thought Hell would have had an altogether faster and more
> efficient system. I have vague recollections of two films: in one, there
> was a very long escalator with no "up"; in the other, a group of people
> in a lift that went down a very long way.
forgotten the details. I think that at one stage the escalator was
populated by ducks, of whom some disappeared when shot.
charles
Jul 19, 2016, 8:22:10 AM7/19/16
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--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
Peter T. Daniels
Jul 19, 2016, 10:21:08 AM7/19/16
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On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 1:44:38 AM UTC-4, RH Draney wrote:
> On 7/18/2016 4:25 PM, Robert Bannister wrote:
> > On 18/07/2016 11:38 AM, Charles Bishop wrote:
> >> Same basic shape, but the old style hand cart would be wood and bigger
> >> than a tea trolley.
> >> Plenty of room for those traveling to Hell.
Isn't "handbasket" more common?
> On 7/18/2016 4:25 PM, Robert Bannister wrote:
> > On 18/07/2016 11:38 AM, Charles Bishop wrote:
> >> Same basic shape, but the old style hand cart would be wood and bigger
> >> than a tea trolley.
> >> Plenty of room for those traveling to Hell.
> > You'd have thought Hell would have had an altogether faster and more
> > efficient system. I have vague recollections of two films: in one, there
> > was a very long escalator with no "up"; in the other, a group of people
> > in a lift that went down a very long way.
>
> Before the escalator and lift, and indeed before the hand cart, one rode
> over in a boat...I never got to hear what happened to those who failed
> to tip the ferryman....r
Charles Bishop
Jul 19, 2016, 11:23:51 AM7/19/16
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In article <dv56r0...@mid.individual.net>,
Perhaps a slow and cumbersome method of travel is the first introduction
to what Hell will be like.
I think I've seen the escalator representation in a cartoon of some
sort. Drawings usually have a rocky path downwards, with people (naked)
in a line, headed down.
Charles
to what Hell will be like.
I think I've seen the escalator representation in a cartoon of some
sort. Drawings usually have a rocky path downwards, with people (naked)
in a line, headed down.
Charles
David Kleinecke
Jul 19, 2016, 11:42:25 AM7/19/16
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A Texas cowboy on a barroom floor,
Had drank so much he could drink no more;
So he fell asleep with a troubled brain
To dream that he rode on a hell-bound train.
The engine with murderous blood was damp,
Brilliantly lit by a brimstone lamp;
While an imp, for fuel, was shov'ling bones,
The furnace rang with a thousand groans.
and onward for too many more verses.
Sam Plusnet
Jul 19, 2016, 5:21:21 PM7/19/16
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In article <ctbishop-4BC2FE...@news.individual.net>,
ctbi...@earthlink.net says...
> > You'd have thought Hell would have had an altogether faster and more
> > efficient system. I have vague recollections of two films: in one, there
> > was a very long escalator with no "up"; in the other, a group of people
> > in a lift that went down a very long way.
>
> Perhaps a slow and cumbersome method of travel is the first introduction
> to what Hell will be like.
>
> I think I've seen the escalator representation in a cartoon of some
> sort. Drawings usually have a rocky path downwards, with people (naked)
> in a line, headed down.
>
>
That image of a very long escalator to Heaven or Hell reminded me of a
David Niven film made in 1946.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Matter_of_Life_and_Death_(film)
"The huge escalator linking this world with the other, called "Operation
Ethel" by the firm of engineers who constructed it under the aegis of
the London Passenger Transport Board, took three months to make and cost
£3,000"
ctbi...@earthlink.net says...
> > You'd have thought Hell would have had an altogether faster and more
> > efficient system. I have vague recollections of two films: in one, there
> > was a very long escalator with no "up"; in the other, a group of people
> > in a lift that went down a very long way.
>
> Perhaps a slow and cumbersome method of travel is the first introduction
> to what Hell will be like.
>
> I think I've seen the escalator representation in a cartoon of some
> sort. Drawings usually have a rocky path downwards, with people (naked)
> in a line, headed down.
>
>
David Niven film made in 1946.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Matter_of_Life_and_Death_(film)
"The huge escalator linking this world with the other, called "Operation
Ethel" by the firm of engineers who constructed it under the aegis of
the London Passenger Transport Board, took three months to make and cost
£3,000"
Robert Bannister
Jul 19, 2016, 7:05:08 PM7/19/16
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not. And none say "Having a lovely time", although occasionally one
detects a hint of "Wish you were here".
Robert Bannister
Jul 19, 2016, 7:08:08 PM7/19/16
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and applying make-up, and then they make you take it all off? The
operators of the heaven/hell transportation service must be perverts.
Can't they be sued?
Robert Bannister
Jul 19, 2016, 7:09:03 PM7/19/16
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Robert Bannister
Jul 19, 2016, 7:12:19 PM7/19/16
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My aunt took me to some very strange movies when I was only six. But
that's not the one I had in mind when I mentioned the long escalator - I
think that was a later film made in the 50s or 60s.
Charles Bishop
Jul 19, 2016, 9:48:02 PM7/19/16
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In article <dv7q6k...@mid.individual.net>,
Possibly, but many of the old clothes shops in various countries have
suspicious ownership.
--
cahrles
suspicious ownership.
--
cahrles
Charles Bishop
Jul 19, 2016, 9:49:29 PM7/19/16
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In article <dv7qef...@mid.individual.net>,
I understand the London Underground has some very long escalators.
Perhaps Mr. Brader can be asked to supply details? Also, Moscow, as well?
--
charles, or others
Perhaps Mr. Brader can be asked to supply details? Also, Moscow, as well?
--
charles, or others
bill van
Jul 20, 2016, 12:14:10 AM7/20/16
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In article <dv7q6k...@mid.individual.net>,
It's very difficult to get witnesses to cross back and testify.
--
bill
--
bill
Mark Brader
Jul 20, 2016, 3:25:28 AM7/20/16
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Charles Bishop:
http://www.davros.org/rail/culg/vdetails.html
Note that only the entries where the notation in the second column
starts with an E are escalators. The Piccadilly Line escalators
at Leicester Square are supposed to have been the longest in the
world when opened in 1935, but they're not even the longest on
the system now; they were beaten in 1992 when Angel station was
similarly reconfigured to use escalators.
> Also, Moscow, as well?
And Washington and St. Petersburg, which according to a Guinness
reference book from 1993 then held the record with an escalator more
than twice as long as at Angel. I don't have a source with current
information, but very likely there is something in Wikipedia.
--
Mark Brader | "She came at me in sections.
Toronto | More curves than a scenic railway."
m...@vex.net | -- "The Band Wagon", Comden & Green
My text in this article is in the public domain.
> I understand the London Underground has some very long escalators.
> Perhaps Mr. Brader can be asked to supply details?
Mr. Feather has kindly tabulated them:
> Perhaps Mr. Brader can be asked to supply details?
http://www.davros.org/rail/culg/vdetails.html
Note that only the entries where the notation in the second column
starts with an E are escalators. The Piccadilly Line escalators
at Leicester Square are supposed to have been the longest in the
world when opened in 1935, but they're not even the longest on
the system now; they were beaten in 1992 when Angel station was
similarly reconfigured to use escalators.
> Also, Moscow, as well?
And Washington and St. Petersburg, which according to a Guinness
reference book from 1993 then held the record with an escalator more
than twice as long as at Angel. I don't have a source with current
information, but very likely there is something in Wikipedia.
--
Mark Brader | "She came at me in sections.
Toronto | More curves than a scenic railway."
m...@vex.net | -- "The Band Wagon", Comden & Green
My text in this article is in the public domain.
Athel Cornish-Bowden
Jul 20, 2016, 4:42:29 AM7/20/16
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On 2016-07-20 07:25:21 +0000, Mark Brader said:
> Charles Bishop:
>> I understand the London Underground has some very long escalators.
>> Perhaps Mr. Brader can be asked to supply details?
>
> Mr. Feather has kindly tabulated them:
>
> http://www.davros.org/rail/culg/vdetails.html
>
> Note that only the entries where the notation in the second column
> starts with an E are escalators. The Piccadilly Line escalators
> at Leicester Square are supposed to have been the longest in the
> world when opened in 1935, but they're not even the longest on
> the system now; they were beaten in 1992 when Angel station was
> similarly reconfigured to use escalators.
>
>> Also, Moscow, as well?
>
> And Washington and St. Petersburg, which according to a Guinness
> reference book from 1993 then held the record with an escalator more
> than twice as long as at Angel. I don't have a source with current
> information, but very likely there is something in Wikipedia.
I seem to recall that Pyongyang has the longest, though those in St
> Charles Bishop:
>> I understand the London Underground has some very long escalators.
>> Perhaps Mr. Brader can be asked to supply details?
>
> Mr. Feather has kindly tabulated them:
>
> http://www.davros.org/rail/culg/vdetails.html
>
> Note that only the entries where the notation in the second column
> starts with an E are escalators. The Piccadilly Line escalators
> at Leicester Square are supposed to have been the longest in the
> world when opened in 1935, but they're not even the longest on
> the system now; they were beaten in 1992 when Angel station was
> similarly reconfigured to use escalators.
>
>> Also, Moscow, as well?
>
> And Washington and St. Petersburg, which according to a Guinness
> reference book from 1993 then held the record with an escalator more
> than twice as long as at Angel. I don't have a source with current
> information, but very likely there is something in Wikipedia.
Petersburg are impressively long, and take about 3 minutes for you to
go from one end to the other.
--
athel
Athel Cornish-Bowden
Jul 20, 2016, 4:44:43 AM7/20/16
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On 2016-07-19 11:59:18 +0000, Peter Moylan said:
> On 2016-Jul-19 09:25, Robert Bannister wrote:
>>
>> You'd have thought Hell would have had an altogether faster and more
>> efficient system. I have vague recollections of two films: in one, there
>> was a very long escalator with no "up"; in the other, a group of people
>> in a lift that went down a very long way.
>
> In my mind the escalator is associated with a Bugs Bunny cartoon. I've
> forgotten the details. I think that at one stage the escalator was
> populated by ducks, of whom some disappeared when shot.
The immortal words of Mandy Rice-Davies come to mind.
> On 2016-Jul-19 09:25, Robert Bannister wrote:
>>
>> You'd have thought Hell would have had an altogether faster and more
>> efficient system. I have vague recollections of two films: in one, there
>> was a very long escalator with no "up"; in the other, a group of people
>> in a lift that went down a very long way.
>
> In my mind the escalator is associated with a Bugs Bunny cartoon. I've
> forgotten the details. I think that at one stage the escalator was
> populated by ducks, of whom some disappeared when shot.
--
athel
the Omrud
Jul 20, 2016, 6:56:09 AM7/20/16
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On 20/07/2016 08:25, Mark Brader wrote:
> Charles Bishop:
>> I understand the London Underground has some very long escalators.
>> Perhaps Mr. Brader can be asked to supply details?
>
> Mr. Feather has kindly tabulated them:
>
> http://www.davros.org/rail/culg/vdetails.html
>
> Note that only the entries where the notation in the second column
> starts with an E are escalators. The Piccadilly Line escalators
> at Leicester Square are supposed to have been the longest in the
> world when opened in 1935, but they're not even the longest on
> the system now; they were beaten in 1992 when Angel station was
> similarly reconfigured to use escalators.
>
>> Also, Moscow, as well?
>
> And Washington and St. Petersburg, which according to a Guinness
> reference book from 1993 then held the record with an escalator more
> than twice as long as at Angel. I don't have a source with current
> information, but very likely there is something in Wikipedia.
A propos of very little, I travelled on the St Petersburg Metro last
> Charles Bishop:
>> I understand the London Underground has some very long escalators.
>> Perhaps Mr. Brader can be asked to supply details?
>
> Mr. Feather has kindly tabulated them:
>
> http://www.davros.org/rail/culg/vdetails.html
>
> Note that only the entries where the notation in the second column
> starts with an E are escalators. The Piccadilly Line escalators
> at Leicester Square are supposed to have been the longest in the
> world when opened in 1935, but they're not even the longest on
> the system now; they were beaten in 1992 when Angel station was
> similarly reconfigured to use escalators.
>
>> Also, Moscow, as well?
>
> And Washington and St. Petersburg, which according to a Guinness
> reference book from 1993 then held the record with an escalator more
> than twice as long as at Angel. I don't have a source with current
> information, but very likely there is something in Wikipedia.
month. There was indeed a long escalator, but I can't say if it was one
of the longest.
Very impressive, the St Petersburg Metro. As a child learning Russian,
I'm sure we were told it was illegal to take photos on the Metro. Not
these days, thankfully:
https://goo.gl/photos/1cf5BUHZj7kGxPzeA
--
David
Athel Cornish-Bowden
Jul 20, 2016, 7:11:31 AM7/20/16
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On 2016-07-20 12:56:02 +0200, the Omrud <usenet...@gmail.com> said:
> On 20/07/2016 08:25, Mark Brader wrote:
>> Charles Bishop:
>>> I understand the London Underground has some very long escalators.
>>> Perhaps Mr. Brader can be asked to supply details?
>>
>> Mr. Feather has kindly tabulated them:
>>
>> http://www.davros.org/rail/culg/vdetails.html
>>
>> Note that only the entries where the notation in the second column
>> starts with an E are escalators. The Piccadilly Line escalators
>> at Leicester Square are supposed to have been the longest in the
>> world when opened in 1935, but they're not even the longest on
>> the system now; they were beaten in 1992 when Angel station was
>> similarly reconfigured to use escalators.
>>
>>> Also, Moscow, as well?
>>
>> And Washington and St. Petersburg, which according to a Guinness
>> reference book from 1993 then held the record with an escalator more
>> than twice as long as at Angel. I don't have a source with current
>> information, but very likely there is something in Wikipedia.
>
> A propos of very little, I travelled on the St Petersburg Metro last
> month. There was indeed a long escalator, but I can't say if it was
> one of the longest.
As St Petersburg is more or less flat, and as the Metro lines are all
> On 20/07/2016 08:25, Mark Brader wrote:
>> Charles Bishop:
>>> I understand the London Underground has some very long escalators.
>>> Perhaps Mr. Brader can be asked to supply details?
>>
>> Mr. Feather has kindly tabulated them:
>>
>> http://www.davros.org/rail/culg/vdetails.html
>>
>> Note that only the entries where the notation in the second column
>> starts with an E are escalators. The Piccadilly Line escalators
>> at Leicester Square are supposed to have been the longest in the
>> world when opened in 1935, but they're not even the longest on
>> the system now; they were beaten in 1992 when Angel station was
>> similarly reconfigured to use escalators.
>>
>>> Also, Moscow, as well?
>>
>> And Washington and St. Petersburg, which according to a Guinness
>> reference book from 1993 then held the record with an escalator more
>> than twice as long as at Angel. I don't have a source with current
>> information, but very likely there is something in Wikipedia.
>
> A propos of very little, I travelled on the St Petersburg Metro last
> month. There was indeed a long escalator, but I can't say if it was
> one of the longest.
at more or less the same level (with obvious small variations to allow
them to cross one another), I don't think there can be much difference
between the longest and the shortest.
>
> Very impressive, the St Petersburg Metro. As a child learning Russian,
> I'm sure we were told it was illegal to take photos on the Metro. Not
> these days, thankfully:
>
> https://goo.gl/photos/1cf5BUHZj7kGxPzeA
--
athel
> Very impressive, the St Petersburg Metro. As a child learning Russian,
> I'm sure we were told it was illegal to take photos on the Metro. Not
> these days, thankfully:
>
> https://goo.gl/photos/1cf5BUHZj7kGxPzeA
--
Ross
Jul 20, 2016, 7:13:28 AM7/20/16
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On Wednesday, July 20, 2016 at 7:25:28 PM UTC+12, Mark Brader wrote:
> Charles Bishop:
> > I understand the London Underground has some very long escalators.
> > Perhaps Mr. Brader can be asked to supply details?
>
> Mr. Feather has kindly tabulated them:
>
> http://www.davros.org/rail/culg/vdetails.html
>
> Note that only the entries where the notation in the second column
> starts with an E are escalators. The Piccadilly Line escalators
> at Leicester Square are supposed to have been the longest in the
> world when opened in 1935, but they're not even the longest on
> the system now; they were beaten in 1992 when Angel station was
> similarly reconfigured to use escalators.
>
> > Also, Moscow, as well?
>
> And Washington and St. Petersburg, which according to a Guinness
> reference book from 1993 then held the record with an escalator more
> than twice as long as at Angel. I don't have a source with current
> information, but very likely there is something in Wikipedia.
> --
Indeed. Wiki awards St. Petersburg the title for longest single run:
> Charles Bishop:
> > I understand the London Underground has some very long escalators.
> > Perhaps Mr. Brader can be asked to supply details?
>
> Mr. Feather has kindly tabulated them:
>
> http://www.davros.org/rail/culg/vdetails.html
>
> Note that only the entries where the notation in the second column
> starts with an E are escalators. The Piccadilly Line escalators
> at Leicester Square are supposed to have been the longest in the
> world when opened in 1935, but they're not even the longest on
> the system now; they were beaten in 1992 when Angel station was
> similarly reconfigured to use escalators.
>
> > Also, Moscow, as well?
>
> And Washington and St. Petersburg, which according to a Guinness
> reference book from 1993 then held the record with an escalator more
> than twice as long as at Angel. I don't have a source with current
> information, but very likely there is something in Wikipedia.
> --
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escalator#Notable_examples
Mark Brader
Jul 20, 2016, 1:10:06 PM7/20/16
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Mark Brader:
> And Washington and St. Petersburg...
By the way, I expect to be using one of those tomorrow, or if not
tomorrow then very soon after. Its rise of about 100 feet is longer
than any on the London Underground.
I should also have mentioned that escalators rise at a 30-degree angle,
making their diagonal length exactly twice the rise.
--
Mark Brader | "Whose tracks these are I think I know;
Toronto | The railroad has gone bankrupt, though..."
m...@vex.net | --Michael Wares (after Frost)
> And Washington and St. Petersburg...
By the way, I expect to be using one of those tomorrow, or if not
tomorrow then very soon after. Its rise of about 100 feet is longer
than any on the London Underground.
I should also have mentioned that escalators rise at a 30-degree angle,
making their diagonal length exactly twice the rise.
--
Mark Brader | "Whose tracks these are I think I know;
Toronto | The railroad has gone bankrupt, though..."
m...@vex.net | --Michael Wares (after Frost)
Athel Cornish-Bowden
Jul 20, 2016, 1:39:53 PM7/20/16
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyongyang_Metro confirms that Pyongyang
is a worthy contender. I don't suppose many wikieditors have been to
Pyongyang (which isn't very high on my own list of places to see before
I die).
Until I went to St Petersburg a couple of years ago I thought that our
longest escalator, at the main railway station in Marseilles, was long,
but it only takes about 70 seconds.
--
athel
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