all anyhow

[arthurvv vart]

1) One doesn't write novels all anyhow.
2) One doesn't write novels anyhow.

Can '2' be used instead of '1'.

The idea is that writing novels cannot be done in any old fashion. You don't just make a novel the way you improvise a salad, so to speak.

Gratefully,
Navi

[Peter T. Daniels]

(1) is utterly incomprehensible.

(2) says that (despite all the inducements that were just listed),
in spite of all that, one doesn't write novels. But "anyway" would
be better. This does not mean 'using any technique at all'.

[arthurvv vart]

Thank you very much, Peter,

I heard this interview with Leonard Cohen and that was the only meaning I could come up with. I heard him use 'anyhow' and I thought he meant 'all anyhow'. I might be missing something here, or his usage might be regional or something. It is confusing.

From the beginning to 0:14

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc4VYwK9fz4

The whole thing is interesting. It is pretty short. What he says at the end is pretty funny and at the same time somewhat touching.

Gratefully,
Navi

[spains...@gmail.com]

Yes a nice clip.

"You don't write the songs anyhow", is what Leonard Cohen' actually says.
Songs are different to novels, and the "all anyhow" in your (1) is not in this clip.

Nevertheless...

"You don't write the songs anyhow".
"You don't write the songs all anyhow".

...are understandable in informal speech, provided they are given suitable emphasis.

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 6:27:01 AM UTC-5, spains...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 6:52:02 AM UTC, arthurvv vart wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 1:46:06 PM UTC-8, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > > On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 4:32:39 PM UTC-5, arthurvv vart wrote:
> > >
> > > > 1) One doesn't write novels all anyhow.
> > > > 2) One doesn't write novels anyhow.
> > > >
> > > > Can '2' be used instead of '1'.
> > > >
> > > > The idea is that writing novels cannot be done in any old fashion. You don't just make a novel the way you improvise a salad, so to speak.
> > > (1) is utterly incomprehensible.
> > >
> > > (2) says that (despite all the inducements that were just listed),
> > > in spite of all that, one doesn't write novels. But "anyway" would
> > > be better. This does not mean 'using any technique at all'.
> > Thank you very much, Peter,
> >
> > I heard this interview with Leonard Cohen and that was the only meaning I could come up with. I heard him use 'anyhow' and I thought he meant 'all anyhow'. I might be missing something here, or his usage might be regional or something. It is confusing.
> >
> > From the beginning to 0:14
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc4VYwK9fz4
> >
> > The whole thing is interesting. It is pretty short. What he says at the end is pretty funny and at the same time somewhat touching.
> Yes a nice clip.
>
> "You don't write the songs anyhow", is what Leonard Cohen' actually says.
> Songs are different to novels, and the "all anyhow" in your (1) is not in this clip.

arthur-Navi has the horrible habit of not asking about sentences he has
actually heard, but of inventing sentences that he thinks are like the one
he heard, which then turn out not to be like it at all.

> Nevertheless...
>
> "You don't write the songs anyhow".
> "You don't write the songs all anyhow".
>
> ...are understandable in informal speech, provided they are given suitable emphasis.

Not by me, they're not.

[Jerry Friedman]

I'd find 1 a lot easier to understand, and both seem rather old-fashioned. I'm
not sure I've ever /heard/ anyone use "anyhow" that way.

--
Jerry Friedman

[bruce bowser]

On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 4:46:06 PM UTC-5, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 4:32:39 PM UTC-5, arthurvv vart wrote:
>
> > 1) One doesn't write novels all anyhow.
> > 2) One doesn't write novels anyhow.
> >
> > Can '2' be used instead of '1'.
> >
> > The idea is that writing novels cannot be done in any old fashion.

But, there is no proof you cannot.

> > You don't just make a novel the way you improvise a salad, so to speak.

There is no proof you cannot, though taught ways might make it easier in many ways.

> (1) is utterly incomprehensible.

I understand it. 'One doesn't write novels' all [meaning all possible novels that could be written] anyhow [meaning written in just any manner].'
(which I disputed above)

[spains...@gmail.com]

How about:

"You don't write the songs any old how"?

[bil...@shaw.ca]

anyone lived in a pretty how town.

bill