Tough questions on the origins of the word "fugazi."
Nick
I also know it was a bar in Manhattan mentioned in Allen Ginzburg's
"Howl."
I also believe some Italian mobsters use the term to mean fucked up.
I also believe the punk band Fugazi chose their name from a Vietnam
War book which mentioned it mean, a la the more famous WWII era FUBAR,
fucked up, got ambushed, zipped in.
My questions:
Are the aforementioned cites accurate?
if so, what does the "zipped in" mean? Zipped in a body bag?
What book did the Fugazi band find the term fugazi used this way?
Is the Fugazi bar in NYC still around? Any know the address. I know it
was on Sixth Avenue? What's there now?
Answer these and you deserve a Ph.D.
Harvey V
> Ok, I know it is a limo service in NY, names after Bill Fugazi.
> I also know it was a bar in Manhattan mentioned in Allen
> Ginzburg's "Howl."
> I also believe some Italian mobsters use the term to mean fucked
> up. I also believe the punk band Fugazi chose their name from a
> Vietnam War book which mentioned it mean, a la the more famous
> WWII era FUBAR, fucked up, got ambushed, zipped in.
>
-snip-
There are some comments about it as an Italian surname -- by a guy of
that name (with the spelling variation "Fugazzi") -- at
http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/message/an/surnames.fugazzi/5
He traces it to a regional Italian word for pizza; can't vouch for his
accuracy, but his references sound traceable if one was so inclined.
--
Cheers,
Harvey
Joe FreezeTag
> I also believe the punk band Fugazi chose their
name from a Vietnam
> War book
There's a punk band called Fugazi?
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Ralf Sandner
"Tough questions on the origins of the word "fugazi."" :
>I also believe the punk band Fugazi chose their name from a Vietnam
>War book which mentioned it mean, a la the more famous WWII era FUBAR,
>fucked up, got ambushed, zipped in.
>
>My questions:
>
>Are the aforementioned cites accurate?
>if so, what does the "zipped in" mean? Zipped in a body bag?
vietnam slang. a FUGedApZItuation
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the fucking goblin guy
> Ok, I know it is a limo service in NY, names after Bill Fugazi.
> I also know it was a bar in Manhattan mentioned in Allen Ginzburg's
> "Howl."
> I also believe some Italian mobsters use the term to mean fucked up.
> I also believe the punk band Fugazi chose their name from a Vietnam
> War book which mentioned it mean, a la the more famous WWII era FUBAR,
> fucked up, got ambushed, zipped in.
>
it's also a cheese company in Cincinnati.
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joey
at poot.skoo...@of.the.hootin.nanny.persuasion.and.friends.part.4
wrote on 6/30/02 1:27 PM:
> In alt.punk, Nick said:
>> Ok, I know it is a limo service in NY, names after Bill Fugazi.
>> I also know it was a bar in Manhattan mentioned in Allen Ginzburg's
>> "Howl."
>> I also believe some Italian mobsters use the term to mean fucked up.
>> I also believe the punk band Fugazi chose their name from a Vietnam
>> War book which mentioned it mean, a la the more famous WWII era FUBAR,
>> fucked up, got ambushed, zipped in.
>>
>
>
>
> it's also a cheese company in Cincinnati.
>
>
there is also a fugazi technical school in nashville I think.
isn't that funny, a school with the name of fuck up basically.
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Pat Durkin
"Harvey V" <harve...@REMOVETHISntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns923DBD06...@62.253.162.105...
Sorry, the message boards on ancestry.com seem congested. I can't get
through to them.
I can recall some Italian pronunciations of the "c" sound coming out
like a verg hard "g" sound.
Likewise, some unstressed vowel endings are elided. My biggest problem
in converting "fugazzi" or "fugazz' " into focaccia "fogatch", is that I
don't recall any words in which both (hey, all 3) pronunciation switches
occurred.
Pastafagiol', scungil' , etc.
ricotta, rigot' (sometimes sounds like rigotch)
(Possibly I am way off-base on the fugazzi/focaccia thing, but there are
some amazing sound switches between the many Italian dialects).
Harvey V
> "Harvey V" <harve...@REMOVETHISntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns923DBD06...@62.253.162.105...
>> -snip re: source for "fugazi"
>>
>> There are some comments about it as an Italian surname -- by a
>> guy of that name (with the spelling variation "Fugazzi") -- at
>>
>> http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/message/an/surnames.fugazzi/5
>>
>
> Sorry, the message boards on ancestry.com seem congested. I can't
> get through to them.
-snip-
Hope this is interesting -- a bit long, but I've just cut-and-pasted
from that board:
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Info on surname Fugazzi
Author: Ron Fugazzi Date: 15 Jul 2001 6:32 PM GMT
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The Historical Research Center
Family Name History
Fugazzi
The Italian surname Fugazzi is of occupational origin deriving from the
regional word "fugazzi or fugazi" meaning "pizza". The modern Italian
term "pizza" derives from the Old Italian term "pizzo", meaning
"point". Pizza is defined as a dish of Neapolitan origin, consisting of
a flattened disk of bread dough topped with olive oil, tomatoes, and
mozzarella cheese, not to be confused with modern day pizza. It is
therefore possible to imagine the initial bearer of the name as someone
employed in the baking industry whose trade involved the making of
pizzas. Fugazzi may be considered to be a metonymic occupational
surname, which arose from the term "fugazi" or "pizza" not only being
applied to the object itself, but also to the person who was closely
associated with it in some manner. The surname thus means "son or
descendant of the pizza maker". Alternatively, the surname may be of
nickname origin still deriving from the word "fugazi", but may have
identified the bearer as someone with a predilection for pizza, who was
given the nickname "Fugazzi" which he later adopted as his surname.
Variants of the surname Fugazzi include Focacci, Fugazi, Fogazzi, and
Fugassi. References to the surname or to its variants include the
listing of a noble family bearing the surname Fogazzi, whose members
included one Ugolino Fogazzi, who was a magistrate in Bologna in 1295.
The coat of arms described below was granted to a family bearing the
surname Fugazzi from Bergamo. It is interesting to note that this
family also used the name Fugazi. The latter is pronounced Fugazy while
Fugazzi is pronounced Fugatzy. In the United States this name is found
in the form of Fugazy. The Italian-American scholar Joseph G. Fucilla
tells that such phonetic renderings of Italian surnames is often the
result of the desire to preserve the pronunciation of the original
Italian name in an English speaking society.
----------------
Items Concerning the Fugazzi Name
There is a book by Gay Talese (published by: Alfred A. Knoph, New York,
1992) "Unto The Sons" that describes Italian immigration to the United
States.
In this book Talese describes Northern Italians coming to the US in the
late 1800’s as the first wave of "padroni" who were prospering legally,
if at times exploitatively, as business agents and personal advisers to
their usually less astute, less educated countrymen. This was long
before there were Mafia "godfathers" coining money in America ...
gangsters from Sicily and southern Italy." Many of the padroni
apparently lived on the east coast and most in New York where the
largest collection of Italian immigrants lived.
According to the book, perhaps the most eminent padrone in the United
States at the time lived in New York City.... His name was Luigi
Fugazy.... Born into a well-to-do northern Italian family in Piedmont,
where his father was a teacher, Luigi Fugazy served as an officer in
the Piedmontese royal army during the Risorgimento and briefly had been
assigned to a unit commanded by Garibaldi. After sailing to New York in
1869 with a knowledge of English and a substantial inheritance from his
father -- whose surname was Fugazzi, Luigi later changed to Fugazy,
justifying it as a gesture toward assimilation -- he promptly increased
his net worth by becoming a travel agent...a labor negotiator... and
also the owner of a neighborhood bank and a service company that issued
loans, provided translators and letter writers, and notarized
immigrants'...documents. Luigi Fugazy also founded several Italian
fraternal organizations, social clubs, and mutual aid societies.
Later, as Italians spread across the United States, padroni could be
found in areas inhabited by large groups of Italians including
California. (Interestingly, there is a popular and successful Club
Fugazi in San Francisco today. This club, which has a long history of
presenting whimsical musical performances, is housed in a stone
building and has carved over its doorway the name "John F. Fugazi,"
exactly my father’s name except for the missing "z" in the last name).
It is said that the Northern Italians were better equipped to coexist
in the US due to their generally higher level or education, their
physical appearance, and their more tolerant attitude toward
differences in customs and religion.
-----------
In June 1988, the "San Francisco Focus" magazine contained a small
article as follows:
Fugazi Travel 1869 San Francisco’s oldest travel agency was established
by Commander John F. Fugazi. Agenzia Fugazi helped Italian immigrants
come to the US and, later, to send their hard-earned cash home to their
families. And, yes, Beach Blanket Babylon’s building – Casa Fugazi – is
theirs, built in 1913.
-----------
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Cheers,
Harvey
the fucking goblin guy
> There is a book by Gay Talese (published by: Alfred A. Knoph, New York,
> 1992) "Unto The Sons" that describes Italian immigration to the United
> States.
>
Gay Talese is the son of a tailor
whose shop was on the boardwalk
in Ocean City, New Jersey next
door to my grandfather's bakery,
Ward's Pastry's - now owned by
my cousin, Walter. Gay always
called my mother "Pinhead".
She never knew why.
Earle Jones
"Pat Durkin" <p...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Harvey V" <harve...@REMOVETHISntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns923DBD06...@62.253.162.105...
> > I espied that on 30 Jun 2002, nick...@earthlink.net (Nick) wrote:
> >
> > > Ok, I know it is a limo service in NY, names after Bill Fugazi.
> > > I also know it was a bar in Manhattan mentioned in Allen
> > > Ginzburg's "Howl."
[...]
Club Fugazi in San Francisco is the home of "Beach Blanket Babylon".
earle
*
Gerald Smyth
[snip]
> there is also a fugazi technical school in nashville I think.
> isn't that funny, a school with the name of fuck up basically.
why I i wonder.
gerald smyth
Nick Worley
the original poster might like to know that I heard the word "fugazi" used
in the film "Donnie Brasco" to mean a fake gem/fake jewellery. I don't know
if it was just a word made-up on the spot by the character or whether it is
current use to mean a fake.
Donnie Brasco (Johnny Depp) says to "Leftie" (Al Pacino) regarding a gem:
"It's a fugazi. You know what that is?"
"Leftie": "Yeah, I know what a fugazi is".
Regards
Nick
"Gerald Smyth" <gerald...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Whiskers
> The NY limo company origin seems most plausible to me. TV ads for
> Fugazy Limousine took their place in the 70s local ad pantheon,
> alongside spots for The Ritz Thrift Shop, The Circle Line, The Money
> Store, Crazy Eddie, and "What's the Story, Jerry." I can picture
> that-ain't-his-real-limo applied to other things that aren't what they
> appear.
"Fugazy" seems to be a family name in north America. "Fugazi" seems to
be New York slang for 'fake'. Neither seems to be particularly
"Italian". The origins of family names and slang words are often
shrouded in mystery and misdirection.
"Fougasse" is a sort of bread in France, cf Italian "Foccaccia". Both
may have originated as 'testers' for the heat of the oven before
evolving into a deliberate product.
"Fougasse" is also one of many names for "improvised explosive device",
the most primitive being a hole or trench in the ground filled with
explosives or incendiary stuff. Any connection with baking is obscure.
"Fougou" in Cornish is an underground passage of uncertain purpose found
in iron-age settlements.
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Peter Moylan
> The NY limo company origin seems most plausible to me. TV ads for Fugazy Limousine took their place in the 70s local ad pantheon, alongside spots for The Ritz Thrift Shop, The Circle Line, The Money Store, Crazy Eddie, and "What's the Story, Jerry." I can picture that-ain't-his-real-limo applied to other things that aren't what they appear.
Unfortunately the Subject makes no sense to me, so I'll have to wait
until the article to which he's responding arrives.
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Newcastle, NSW, Australia
Steve Hayes
<pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>On 25/05/15 22:37, TreebaseNYC wrote:
>
>> The NY limo company origin seems most plausible to me. TV ads for Fugazy Limousine took their place in the 70s local ad pantheon,
>Unfortunately the Subject makes no sense to me, so I'll have to wait
>until the article to which he's responding arrives.
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Ross
> On Tue, 26 May 2015 16:29:14 +1000, Peter Moylan
> <pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>
> >On 25/05/15 22:37, TreebaseNYC wrote:
> >
> >> The NY limo company origin seems most plausible to me. TV ads for Fugazy Limousine took their place in the 70s local ad pantheon,
>
> >That was one article that caused me to look up for the Subject line.
> >Unfortunately the Subject makes no sense to me, so I'll have to wait
> >until the article to which he's responding arrives.
>
> I've never heard the word, much less thought about its origin.
>
who sank all night in submarine light of Bickford's
floated out and sat through the stale beer after
noon in desolate Fugazzi's, listening to the crack
of doom on the hydrogen jukebox,
But hey, here's more trivia, from a Ginsberg-centric blog site:
"My grandparents owned Fugazzis, and ran it at the time Howl was
written. My father tended bar there for a short time, while in
grad school.It was on 6th, a few doors down from the Waverly theater.
The building was torn down and a fast food place installed. According
to my parents, the clientele were old Italian guys who came for the
polenta and bacala special, and beatniks.I have vague toddler memories
of the place, and my grandparents' apartment up above".
Oh yeah, there's also this:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0830538/
Peter T. Daniels
> On 25/05/15 22:37, TreebaseNYC wrote:
>
> > The NY limo company origin seems most plausible to me. TV ads for Fugazy Limousine took their place in the 70s local ad pantheon, alongside spots for The Ritz Thrift Shop, The Circle Line, The Money Store, Crazy Eddie, and "What's the Story, Jerry." I can picture that-ain't-his-real-limo applied to other things that aren't what they appear.
>
> That was one article that caused me to look up for the Subject line.
> Unfortunately the Subject makes no sense to me, so I'll have to wait
> until the article to which he's responding arrives.
message had been. In order to see what "Treebase" was responding to, simply
scroll up to the top of the thread, where the first message was posted by
"Nick" on 6/30/02. The only name I recognize among the 9 people who replied
is Pat Durkin, suggesting that it was a thread crossposted from elsewhere.
Jerry Friedman
> On 2015-05-25, TreebaseNYC <gene.s...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The NY limo company origin seems most plausible to me. TV ads for
>> Fugazy Limousine took their place in the 70s local ad pantheon,
>> alongside spots for The Ritz Thrift Shop, The Circle Line, The Money
>> Store, Crazy Eddie, and "What's the Story, Jerry." I can picture
>> that-ain't-his-real-limo applied to other things that aren't what they
>> appear.
>
> "Fugazy" seems to be a family name in north America. "Fugazi" seems to
> be New York slang for 'fake'.
http://www.word-detective.com/2008/02/fugazy-redux/
> Neither seems to be particularly "Italian".
Italian surname "Fugazzi", which turns out to be true.
"Fugazy credits his civic activities with much of the success of his
transportation companies. [...] Among the organizations and activities
he supports are the New York Statue of Liberty Centennial Commission,
the Westway Park Advisory Committee, the Coalition of Italo-American
Associations (his family name was originally Fugazzi) [...]"
http://www.lctmag.com/people/article/40677/lct-interview-with-new-yorks-bill-fugazy
> The origins of family names and slang words are often
> shrouded in mystery and misdirection.
> "Fougasse" is a sort of bread in France, cf Italian "Foccaccia". Both
> may have originated as 'testers' for the heat of the oven before
> evolving into a deliberate product.
You may be on the right track here.
Fugazzi Name Meaning
Italian: perhaps a variant of Fogazza, itself a variant of
Focaccia, from focaccia ‘flat bread’, hence a metonymic occupational
name for a baker of such bread.
www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=fugazzi
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Jerry Friedman
tomto...@gmail.com
Whiskers
> It means fake. You malouk. Fazoules means $100 bills. Sicilian. What's
> the matter wit you. Furgetaboutit.
the last time.