Re: "Your curb", uh

[TonyCooper]

On 12 Aug 2023 18:13:57 GMT, r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
wrote:

> Usually, with all the internet, today it's easy to get the meaning
> of words. But this one was hard for me!
>
>|If your curb lacks appeal, chances are, so do you, research suggests.
>
> What does "curb" mean here? I think I found it out, but only after
> jumping through some hoops!
>
> - translation service: No. ("Curb" is only the edge of the sidewalk.)
> - chatbot: No. ("Curb" is only the edge of the sidewalk.)
> - small Dictionary: No. ("Curb" is only the edge of the sidewalk.)
> - medium-sized Dictionary: No. (Only the edge of the sidewalk)
> - OED: No. (Only the edge of the sidewalk)
> - image search: Yes! (Now I see /lawn/ around houses!)
> - Web search: ... yes (after some trial 'n' error)
>
> So, and what do I believe now curb is above ("your curb")?
> I now believe it's short for "curb appeal", the attractiveness
> of the exterior of a property, as viewed from the street!
>

"Curb appeal" is often used in US real estate jargon to indicate that
house looks attractive to buyers who might just drive by house for
sale.

https://www.fortunebuilders.com/importance-curb-appeal/
--

Tony Cooper - Orlando,Florida

[Jerry Friedman]

Which means "your curb lacks appeal" is a confused way of saying
"your house lacks curb appeal".

--
Jerry Friedman

[Peter T. Daniels]

Looks like it was intended to be funny. Or at least thought clever.

[Peter Moylan]

Is that phrase known all over the USA, or just in some regions? It was
certainly unknown to me, and obviously also to Stefan.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

[TonyCooper]

As far as I know, it's used all over the US or wherever real estate
agents are found.

Any newspaper or magazine that has a real estate section with tips for
selling a house is likely to run an article that includes improving
the curb appeal of the house.

[Rich Ulrich]

I can't swear that I ever heard of 'curb appeal' before -- therefore,
I might not have recognized it out of context. But the meaning was
instantly apparent when I saw it used here. And easy to remember
for the future.

--
Rich Ulrich

[Hibou]

Le 13/08/2023 à 02:15, TonyCooper a écrit :

> Peter Moylan wrote:
>>
>> Is that phrase known all over the USA, or just in some regions? It was
>> certainly unknown to me, and obviously also to Stefan.
>
> As far as I know, it's used all over the US or wherever real estate
> agents are found.
>
> Any newspaper or magazine that has a real estate section with tips for
> selling a house is likely to run an article that includes improving
> the curb appeal of the house.

'Kerb appeal' is kent in Britain, it seems (and 'curb appeal' -
annoyingly; I think it may have sneaked across the Atlantic, either in a
small boat or via the Web):

<https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=curb+appeal%3Aeng_us_2019%2Ckerb+appeal%3Aeng_us_2019%2Ccurb+appeal%3Aeng_gb_2019%2Ckerb+appeal%3Aeng_gb_2019&year_start=1900&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3>

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Unknown to me either.


--
athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots

[Snidely]

Just this Saturday, Hibou puzzled about:

> Le 13/08/2023 à 02:15, TonyCooper a écrit :
>> Peter Moylan wrote:
>>>
>>> Is that phrase known all over the USA, or just in some regions? It was
>>> certainly unknown to me, and obviously also to Stefan.
>>
>> As far as I know, it's used all over the US or wherever real estate
>> agents are found.
>>
>> Any newspaper or magazine that has a real estate section with tips for
>> selling a house is likely to run an article that includes improving
>> the curb appeal of the house.
>
> 'Kerb appeal' is kent in Britain, it seems (and 'curb appeal' - annoyingly; I
> think it may have sneaked across the Atlantic, either in a small boat or via
> the Web):

Sneaked?

The tennie runners must have gotten damp.

> <https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=curb+appeal%3Aeng_us_2019%2Ckerb+appeal%3Aeng_us_2019%2Ccurb+appeal%3Aeng_gb_2019%2Ckerb+appeal%3Aeng_gb_2019&year_start=1900&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3>

/dps

--
As a colleague once told me about an incoming manager,
"He does very well in a suck-up, kick-down culture."
Bill in Vancouver

[Hibou]

Le 13/08/2023 à 09:23, Snidely a écrit :
> Just this Saturday, Hibou puzzled about:
>>

>> 'Kerb appeal' is kent in Britain, it seems (and 'curb appeal' -
>> annoyingly; I think it may have sneaked across the Atlantic, either in
>> a small boat or via the Web):
>
> Sneaked?

Yes, helped by word smugglers.

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

On 2023-08-13 08:23:35 +0000, Snidely said:

> Just this Saturday, Hibou puzzled about:
>> Le 13/08/2023 à 02:15, TonyCooper a écrit :
>>> Peter Moylan wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Is that phrase known all over the USA, or just in some regions? It was
>>>> certainly unknown to me, and obviously also to Stefan.
>>>
>>> As far as I know, it's used all over the US or wherever real estate
>>> agents are found.
>>>
>>> Any newspaper or magazine that has a real estate section with tips for
>>> selling a house is likely to run an article that includes improving
>>> the curb appeal of the house.
>>
>> 'Kerb appeal' is kent in Britain, it seems (and 'curb appeal' -
>> annoyingly; I think it may have sneaked across the Atlantic, either in
>> a small boat or via the Web):
>
> Sneaked?

There is nothing wrong with "sneaked". I suppose you want "snuck", an
Americanism never used by me, and probably not by Hibou. It was
doubtless invented, along with "dove" for "dived", by someone who
thought English didn't have enough irregular verbs.

>
> The tennie runners must have gotten damp.

While we're at it: "got". There is no "gotten" in my English, and
probably not in Hibou's either.
>
>> <https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=curb+appeal%3Aeng_us_2019%2Ckerb+appeal%3Aeng_us_2019%2Ccurb+appeal%3Aeng_gb_2019%2Ckerb+appeal%3Aeng_gb_2019&year_start=1900&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3>
>>
>
> /dps


--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

[Hibou]

Le 13/08/2023 à 10:06, Athel Cornish-Bowden a écrit :
> On 2023-08-13 08:23:35 +0000, Snidely said:
>> Just this Saturday, Hibou puzzled about:
>>>

>>> 'Kerb appeal' is kent in Britain, it seems (and 'curb appeal' -
>>> annoyingly; I think it may have sneaked across the Atlantic, either
>>> in a small boat or via the Web):
>>
>> Sneaked?
>
> There is nothing wrong with "sneaked". I suppose you want "snuck", an
> Americanism never used by me, and probably not by Hibou. It was
> doubtless invented, along with "dove" for "dived", by someone who
> thought English didn't have enough irregular verbs.
>>
>> The tennie runners must have gotten damp.
>
> While we're at it: "got". There is no "gotten" in my English, and
> probably not in Hibou's either.

As you say, no 'snucks' or 'gottens' for me.

Time for an Ngram. 'Snuck' has only recently become popular in AmE, it
seems, and is apparently another word that is, ah-hem, sneaking into BrE:

<https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=sneaked%3Aeng_us_2019%2Csnuck%3Aeng_us_2019%2Csneaked%3Aeng_gb_2019%2Csnuck%3Aeng_gb_2019&year_start=1900&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3>

[Bebercito]

Le dimanche 13 août 2023 à 11:06:40 UTC+2, Athel Cornish-Bowden a écrit :
> On 2023-08-13 08:23:35 +0000, Snidely said:
>
> > Just this Saturday, Hibou puzzled about:
> >> Le 13/08/2023 à 02:15, TonyCooper a écrit :
> >>> Peter Moylan wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Is that phrase known all over the USA, or just in some regions? It was
> >>>> certainly unknown to me, and obviously also to Stefan.
> >>>
> >>> As far as I know, it's used all over the US or wherever real estate
> >>> agents are found.
> >>>
> >>> Any newspaper or magazine that has a real estate section with tips for
> >>> selling a house is likely to run an article that includes improving
> >>> the curb appeal of the house.
> >>
> >> 'Kerb appeal' is kent in Britain, it seems (and 'curb appeal' -
> >> annoyingly; I think it may have sneaked across the Atlantic, either in
> >> a small boat or via the Web):
> >
> > Sneaked?
> There is nothing wrong with "sneaked". I suppose you want "snuck", an
> Americanism never used by me, and probably not by Hibou. It was
> doubtless invented, along with "dove" for "dived",

Probably modelled after "drive" -> "drove".

> by someone who
> thought English didn't have enough irregular verbs.

And was clueless about vowel change in irregular verbs. I can't think
of one English irregular verb where <ea> -> <u>.

[Ken Blake]

On Sun, 13 Aug 2023 10:00:49 +1000, Peter Moylan
<pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:

I'm not sure. The term is vaguely familiar to me, but if I've heard
it, it certainly hasn't been often.

And going back to Stefan's "If your curb lacks appeal, chances are, so
do you, research suggests," perhaps that's about "curb appeal," but
I'm not sure about that either. It would have helped if he had
provided context for that quotation.

[Paul Carmichael]

El Sat, 12 Aug 2023 15:29:10 -0400, TonyCooper escribió:

> On 12 Aug 2023 18:13:57 GMT, r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote:
>
>> Usually, with all the internet, today it's easy to get the meaning of
>> words. But this one was hard for me!
>>
>>|If your curb lacks appeal, chances are, so do you, research suggests.
>>
>> What does "curb" mean

BTW. BIG pondian difference.

Curb = verb (curtail).

Kerb = Hard border between footpath and road.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 1:23:02 AM UTC-4, Hibou wrote:
> Le 13/08/2023 à 02:15, TonyCooper a écrit :
> > Peter Moylan wrote:

> >> Is that phrase known all over the USA, or just in some regions? It was
> >> certainly unknown to me, and obviously also to Stefan.
> > As far as I know, it's used all over the US or wherever real estate
> > agents are found.
> > Any newspaper or magazine that has a real estate section with tips for
> > selling a house is likely to run an article that includes improving
> > the curb appeal of the house.

M-W11C says the first attestation is 1975.

> 'Kerb appeal' is kent in Britain, it seems (and 'curb appeal' -
> annoyingly; I think it may have sneaked across the Atlantic, either in a
> small boat or via the Web):

Kerb your dog? Kerb your enthusiasm?

M-W11C says the two senses are the same word
(I thought it might be like "ear").

> <https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=curb+appeal%3Aeng_us_2019%2Ckerb+appeal%3Aeng_us_2019%2Ccurb+appeal%3Aeng_gb_2019%2Ckerb+appeal%3Aeng_gb_2019&year_start=1900&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3>

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 5:06:40 AM UTC-4, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2023-08-13 08:23:35 +0000, Snidely said:
> > Just this Saturday, Hibou puzzled about:

> >> 'Kerb appeal' is kent in Britain, it seems (and 'curb appeal' -
> >> annoyingly; I think it may have sneaked across the Atlantic, either in

> > Sneaked?
>
> There is nothing wrong with "sneaked". I suppose you want "snuck", an
> Americanism never used by me, and probably not by Hibou. It was
> doubtless invented, along with "dove" for "dived", by someone who
> thought English didn't have enough irregular verbs.

Didn't have enough heritage verbs proclaiming their IE allegiance.

[Peter T. Daniels]

Which turns out to be an artificial distinction -- like
flower and flour, grammar and glamour.

[TonyCooper]

On 13 Aug 2023 14:10:25 GMT, Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com>
wrote:

While the reference was easily understood to be one from some North
American* source, the post points out the need for context when
posting a question like this.

If the context is not stated, a link to the source would have
determined if the word meant "curtail" or "view from the street**".

*I am assuming without checking that a Canadian source would use the
"curb" spelling with the "view from the street" meaning. I may be
corrected.

**"Curb appeal" does not describe the appearance of the curb itself.
In fact, a house may have "curb appeal" when it sits on a lot with no
curb betwixt the property and the roadway. It describes the visual
impression of the house and the landscaping.

[Snidely]

Ken Blake noted that:

> On Sun, 13 Aug 2023 10:00:49 +1000, Peter Moylan
> <pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 13/08/23 05:29, TonyCooper wrote:

>>> "Curb appeal" is often used in US real estate jargon to indicate that
>>> house looks attractive to buyers who might just drive by house for
>>> sale.
>>>
>>> https://www.fortunebuilders.com/importance-curb-appeal/
>>
>> Is that phrase known all over the USA, or just in some regions? It was
>> certainly unknown to me, and obviously also to Stefan.
>
>
> I'm not sure. The term is vaguely familiar to me, but if I've heard
> it, it certainly hasn't been often.

Real estate news is common in SoCal, and articles about curb appeal
appear often enough. And there are programs that address improving
curb appeal on TV, cable, and Utewb.

> And going back to Stefan's "If your curb lacks appeal, chances are, so
> do you, research suggests," perhaps that's about "curb appeal," but
> I'm not sure about that either. It would have helped if he had
> provided context for that quotation.

Likely it's saying you look as dumpy as your house, but having just the
one line dumped on us does make it harder to confirm that intent.

[Ken Blake]

On Sun, 13 Aug 2023 11:49:03 -0700, Snidely <snide...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Ken Blake noted that:
>> On Sun, 13 Aug 2023 10:00:49 +1000, Peter Moylan
>> <pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 13/08/23 05:29, TonyCooper wrote:
>
>>>> "Curb appeal" is often used in US real estate jargon to indicate that
>>>> house looks attractive to buyers who might just drive by house for
>>>> sale.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.fortunebuilders.com/importance-curb-appeal/
>>>
>>> Is that phrase known all over the USA, or just in some regions? It was
>>> certainly unknown to me, and obviously also to Stefan.
>>
>>
>> I'm not sure. The term is vaguely familiar to me, but if I've heard
>> it, it certainly hasn't been often.
>
>Real estate news is common in SoCal, and articles about curb appeal
>appear often enough. And there are programs that address improving
>curb appeal on TV, cable, and Utewb.
>
>> And going back to Stefan's "If your curb lacks appeal, chances are, so
>> do you, research suggests," perhaps that's about "curb appeal," but
>> I'm not sure about that either. It would have helped if he had
>> provided context for that quotation.
>
>Likely it's saying you look as dumpy as your house,

Yes, likely, but not certain.

[lar3ryca]

It's well known in Canada, but probably limited to real estate agents or
those buying or selling a house.

--
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
—Anonymous

[lar3ryca]

On 2023-08-13 08:32, TonyCooper wrote:
> On 13 Aug 2023 14:10:25 GMT, Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> El Sat, 12 Aug 2023 15:29:10 -0400, TonyCooper escribió:
>>
>>> On 12 Aug 2023 18:13:57 GMT, r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Usually, with all the internet, today it's easy to get the meaning of
>>>> words. But this one was hard for me!
>>>>
>>>> |If your curb lacks appeal, chances are, so do you, research suggests.
>>>>
>>>> What does "curb" mean
>>
>> BTW. BIG pondian difference.
>>
>> Curb = verb (curtail).
>>
>> Kerb = Hard border between footpath and road.
>
> While the reference was easily understood to be one from some North
> American* source, the post points out the need for context when
> posting a question like this.
>
> If the context is not stated, a link to the source would have
> determined if the word meant "curtail" or "view from the street**".
>
> *I am assuming without checking that a Canadian source would use the
> "curb" spelling with the "view from the street" meaning. I may be
> corrected.

You are correct.

> **"Curb appeal" does not describe the appearance of the curb itself.
> In fact, a house may have "curb appeal" when it sits on a lot with no
> curb betwixt the property and the roadway. It describes the visual
> impression of the house and the landscaping.

--

Of course I know which side my bread is buttered on, but I don't care.
I eat both sides.

[Peter Moylan]

On 14/08/23 00:14, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 1:23:02 AM UTC-4, Hibou wrote:
>> Le 13/08/2023 à 02:15, TonyCooper a écrit :
>>> Peter Moylan wrote:
>
>>>> Is that phrase known all over the USA, or just in some regions?
>>>> It was certainly unknown to me, and obviously also to Stefan.
>>> As far as I know, it's used all over the US or wherever real
>>> estate agents are found. Any newspaper or magazine that has a
>>> real estate section with tips for selling a house is likely to
>>> run an article that includes improving the curb appeal of the
>>> house.
>
> M-W11C says the first attestation is 1975.
>
>> 'Kerb appeal' is kent in Britain, it seems (and 'curb appeal' -
>> annoyingly; I think it may have sneaked across the Atlantic, either
>> in a small boat or via the Web):
>
> Kerb your dog? Kerb your enthusiasm?

AusE seems to have both "curb" (restrain) and "kerb" (at the edge of the
road), but I don't know how many people consistently make the
distinction in writing. In speech, they sound the same.

curb your dog = restrain your dog
kerb your dog = make him shit in the gutter

The latter is less common, because we don't have the (apparently
European) custom of making pets defaecate in the stormwater drains.

[Peter Moylan]

It's more like a word splitting into two versions, as it develops two
meanings. You're unlikely to find "flower" in a cookery book, and
teachers don't pretend to teach glamour.

[Hibou]

If pooches poo in the gutter, that reduces the appeal of the kerb.
Hereabouts, dog owners are required to pick after their animals, and
most carry a supply of plastic bags. Years ago, they didn't, and some
pavements were peppered with decaying excrement.

Not everything was better in the past.

[phil]

Although 'flowers of sulphur' seems to have gone down the wrong branch.

[Hibou]

Le 13/08/2023 à 15:14, Peter T. Daniels a écrit :
> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 1:23:02 AM UTC-4, Hibou wrote:
>>
>> 'Kerb appeal' is kent in Britain, it seems (and 'curb appeal' -
>> annoyingly; I think it may have sneaked across the Atlantic, either in a
>> small boat or via the Web):
>

> Kerb your dog? Kerb your enthusiasm? [...]

"For even tho' vanquished, he could argue still;
While words of learned length and thundering sound,
Amazed the gazing rustics ranged around;
And still they gazed, and still the wonder grew,
That one small head could carry all he knew" -
Goldsmith.

[soup]

On 12/08/2023 19:13, Stefan Ram wrote:
> Usually, with all the internet, today it's easy to get the meaning
> of words. But this one was hard for me!
>
> |If your curb lacks appeal, chances are, so do you, research suggests.
>

> What does "curb" mean here? I think I found it out, but only after
> jumping through some hoops!
>
> - translation service: No. ("Curb" is only the edge of the sidewalk.)
> - chatbot: No. ("Curb" is only the edge of the sidewalk.)
> - small Dictionary: No. ("Curb" is only the edge of the sidewalk.)
> - medium-sized Dictionary: No. (Only the edge of the sidewalk)
> - OED: No. (Only the edge of the sidewalk)
> - image search: Yes! (Now I see /lawn/ around houses!)
> - Web search: ... yes (after some trial 'n' error)
>
> So, and what do I believe now curb is above ("your curb")?
> I now believe it's short for "curb appeal", the attractiveness
> of the exterior of a property, as viewed from the street!

Yup about right.

Now to get really confused look at the similarity(or rather difference)
between 'Curb' and 'Kerb'.

Hint In BrE Curb is a verb whilst Kerb is a noun .

[phil]

Although when parking on a slope on the street I might kerb my front wheels.

Though now I look, current BrE use of 'kerb' as a verb seems to be more
about damaging a wheel by scuffing it on the kerb. So much so that I
found an alloy-wheel-repair business called 'Kerb Appeal'.

[Jerry Friedman]

On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 7:04:48 AM UTC-6, Bebercito wrote:
> Le dimanche 13 août 2023 à 11:06:40 UTC+2, Athel Cornish-Bowden a écrit :
> > On 2023-08-13 08:23:35 +0000, Snidely said:
> >
> > > Just this Saturday, Hibou puzzled about:
> > >> Le 13/08/2023 à 02:15, TonyCooper a écrit :
> > >>> Peter Moylan wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Is that phrase known all over the USA, or just in some regions? It was
> > >>>> certainly unknown to me, and obviously also to Stefan.
> > >>>
> > >>> As far as I know, it's used all over the US or wherever real estate
> > >>> agents are found.
> > >>>
> > >>> Any newspaper or magazine that has a real estate section with tips for
> > >>> selling a house is likely to run an article that includes improving
> > >>> the curb appeal of the house.
> > >>
> > >> 'Kerb appeal' is kent in Britain, it seems (and 'curb appeal' -
> > >> annoyingly; I think it may have sneaked across the Atlantic, either in
> > >> a small boat or via the Web):
> > >
> > > Sneaked?
> > There is nothing wrong with "sneaked". I suppose you want "snuck", an
> > Americanism never used by me, and probably not by Hibou. It was
> > doubtless invented, along with "dove" for "dived",

> Probably modelled after "drive" -> "drove".

The same thing happened to "strive", but in Britain, so nobody objects.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_strong_verb

> > by someone who
> > thought English didn't have enough irregular verbs.

> And was clueless about vowel change in irregular verbs. I can't think
> of one English irregular verb where <ea> -> <u>.

...

I'd be thinking about pronunciation rather than spelling, but the point
still applies. However, I assume the person or people who invented
"snuck" weren't thinking about it consciously. It just sounded right to
them.

By the way, the same thing happened to "dig", again in Britain. According
to the OED, "dug" first appears as a past participle in the 1500s and as
a past tense in the 1700s. Before that people said "digged".

Maybe the final /k/ of "sneak", as in stick/stuck and strike/struck, was
more important to somebody than the vowel. (Wikipedia notes that,
much earlier, the classes of Proto-Germanic strong verbs were
determined mostly by the kind of consonant that followed the
vowel.)

--
Jerry Friedman

[lar3ryca]

Not to mention the anti-stripper association, "Curb a Peeler".

--
Chris: Hey can I borrow a ten?
Kristen: Sure.
Christen: Thank you.
Kris: You're welcome.

[phil]

Over here that'd be an anti-rozzer association.

[lar3ryca]

Thanks... you taught me something new. I already knew 'rozzer', but not
'peeler' in that sense. Is it rhyming slang?

--
If it's not related to elephants, it's irrelephant.

[Jerry Friedman]

On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 11:10:53 AM UTC-6, lar3ryca wrote:
> On 2023-08-15 10:48, phil wrote:
> > On 15/08/2023 15:44, lar3ryca wrote:
> >> On 2023-08-15 06:18, phil wrote:

...

> >>> Though now I look, current BrE use of 'kerb' as a verb seems to be
> >>> more about damaging a wheel by scuffing it on the kerb. So much so
> >>> that I found an alloy-wheel-repair business called 'Kerb Appeal'.
> >>
> >> Not to mention the anti-stripper association, "Curb a Peeler".
> >>
> >
> > Over here that'd be an anti-rozzer association.

> Thanks... you taught me something new. I already knew 'rozzer', but not
> 'peeler' in that sense. Is it rhyming slang?

It's from Sir Robert Peel, also the source of "bobby".

--
Jerry Friedman

[charles]

In article <ubgbio$2tgn6$1...@dont-email.me>,

No. The founder of the Metropolitan Police (London) was Sir Robert Peel.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

[Peter Moylan]

I thought we got the stripper name "Christine Peeler" from England.

[Janet]

In article <ubgbio$2tgn6$1...@dont-email.me>,
la...@invalid.ca says...

Common older terms for police, peelers and bobbies were
both named for politician Robert Peel, regarded as the
founder of modern British police forces (and the
Conservative party)

Bobby is still in older-generation use, mainly when
decrying the loss of the local bobby who walked his beat
on foot to catch footpads.

Janet

[phil]

After Robert Peel, as others here have noted.

This set me wondering about the origin of 'rozzer'. That seems to be
uncertain, though the internet yields some more or less fanciful
suggestions including that it's an informal form of 'Robert' (Peel
again). Doesn't sound convincing to me.

Then there's 'cozzer'.

[soup]

On 16/08/2023 13:50, phil wrote:

> Then there's 'cozzer'.

Is that not stylised as Cossa ?

[phil]

Never seen that. Regional usage?