How to Pronounce "Euthyphro"?
qquito
Can anyone tell how the word "Euthyphro" in Plato's dialogue thus
titled is pronounced? I am talking about the Euthypro Dilemma recorded
in the dialogue.
Thanks.
--Roland
Jim Lawton
"fish"?
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Youth EE PRO
Agamemnon
"qquito" <qqu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Ev-thi-fro
"thi" as in thin
"fro" as in from (with a rolled r like in Scott's)
>
> Thanks.
>
> --Roland
>
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Shut up you DUMB ciunt
Martin Bonner
Are you sure that shouldn't be you-thi-fro? I would have expected the
initial "Eu" to be the same sound as in "Europe"
Agamemnon
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Are you serious ?
Eu is always pronounced Ev in Greek.
Europe is Ev-ro-bi
"ro" as in rod
"bi" as in bin
All the vowels and consonants have changed their sound in Germanic languages
in the past 2000 years whereas in Greek they have remained constant so do
not consider English as a guide to Greek pronunciation.
Jim Lawton
Got to remember that the letter get muddled in transliteration etc :-
Modern Greek I find :-
"EU eu either like ef in clef, or like ev in event"
http://www.smartphrase.com/Greek/gr_pronunciation.shtml
but in ancient Greek I find :-
U "upsilon" Pronounced like a German ü as in "für." In some dialects it was more
like the OO in "too," and this is the sound it has in the diphthongs
http://www.cs.utk.edu/~mclennan/BA/pronunciation.html
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> Ignore the Cockney Fruitcake Vasif
CDB
All the interesting discussion about ancient and modern Greek
pronunciations to one side, I think it's the modern English
pronunciation you want. I suggest "YOUTH-i-fro". I admit I don't
recall ever hearing the name pronounced but, if it's connected with
"euthúphron" (right-minded), then, even though the accent in Greek was
placed as you see, the upsilon is short (according to my big _Liddell
and Scott_): which means the word would have gone from Latin into
English with the stress* on the first syllable.
The other possibility is "you-THI-fro", based on taking the Greek
tonal accent as a stress mark. I should think either version would be
accepted without comment. Oh, and the "th" would probably be unvoiced
in the first version, especially by North Americans, and voiced in the
second, as in "this".
_________________
*Note distinction between accent and stress. Ancient Greek was
apparently a language that marked syllables by length and tone more
than by stress.
Ted Schuerzinger
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> Eu is always pronounced Ev in Greek.
>
> Europe is Ev-ro-bi
>
> "ro" as in rod
Which dialect's pronunciation of "rod"? :-)
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Steve Hayes
>Can anyone tell how the word "Euthyphro" in Plato's dialogue thus
>titled is pronounced? I am talking about the Euthypro Dilemma recorded
>in the dialogue.
Depends.
Would you like the Renaissance German prinunciation of Erasmus, or the movern
Greek prununciation.
The latter would be something like eff-thi-pro (pro as in "property").
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Mike Lyle
> "qquito" <qqu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Hell, All:
>>
>> Can anyone tell how the word "Euthyphro" in Plato's dialogue thus
>> titled is pronounced? I am talking about the Euthypro Dilemma
>> recorded
>> in the dialogue.
>
> All the interesting discussion about ancient and modern Greek
> pronunciations to one side, I think it's the modern English
> pronunciation you want. I suggest "YOUTH-i-fro". I admit I don't
> recall ever hearing the name pronounced but, if it's connected with
> "euthúphron" (right-minded), then, even though the accent in Greek
was
> placed as you see, the upsilon is short (according to my big
_Liddell
> and Scott_): which means the word would have gone from Latin into
> English with the stress* on the first syllable.
YOUTH-i-fro was standard when I was a student. There's been a
geologically slow move toward more authentic pronunciations over the
years, but I don't think it's had very much effect on well-known
titles: the new OCD certainly retains the old spelling, so I'd stick
with the pronunciation.
--
Mike.
Agamemnon
"Steve Hayes" <haye...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 18 Oct 2005 00:04:41 -0700, "qquito" <qqu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Can anyone tell how the word "Euthyphro" in Plato's dialogue thus
>>titled is pronounced? I am talking about the Euthypro Dilemma recorded
>>in the dialogue.
>
> Depends.
>
> Would you like the Renaissance German prinunciation of Erasmus, or the
Erasmus pronounced it like Dutch.
movern
> Greek prununciation.
>
> The latter would be something like eff-thi-pro (pro as in "property").
Ph is the Latin transliteration for F not p.
The modern Greek pronunciation is the same as the ancinet.
CDB
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[...]
> The modern Greek pronunciation is the same as the ancinet.
Funny old Greeks, inventing all those different ways of writing "ee".
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"Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
Thank you. An interesting account. I note that the author agrees
with me that there are rather a lot of ways of spelling "ee" (section
153" "...the Greeks gave to several letters the sound of 'I'," and
section 157). He also seems to think there have been sound changes
from time to time (section 160).
I should add that I don't defend the Western academic pronunciation of
ancient Greek on the grounds of phonetic accuracy, particularly with
regard to the vowel sounds; it is hardly possible that any one system
of pronunciation could reproduce the different speech-sounds of a
language with such a long history of continuous use. But I think its
ability to reflect classical Attic and Koine spelling is useful for
scholars who deal almost entirely with the written texts, perhaps
unlike the scholars of Greece who see it, and use it, as an archaic
form of their own language.
I can't believe that there have been no sound changes over the last
two and one-half millennia. I would have to see some reason why Greek
should have been excepted from the common fate of all languages for so
long. I don't expect to convince you either, of course.
Finally, as to "old Canadians": you definitely have the advantage of
us there. Old Greeks there definitely were, but the oldest European
Canadians have only been around for four centuries or so -- barely out
of adolescence, really.
Karipidu Marianna
The diphthong " Eu " is pronounced as "Ev."
Example:
Greek: Ευημερια= evi meria = prosperity.
But if followed by the consonant theta (=th,
Greek: θ ), it is pronounced as "Ef."
Example:
Greek: Ευθυφρων= Ef thyphron= Ef thyfron.
So, Euthyphron is pronounced as Ef thy fron.
Another example:
Greek: Ευθεια= Ef theia= straight line
or
Ευθανασια= Euthanasia= Ef thanasia=
painless death
Καρυπιδου Μαριαννα
Karipidu Marianna
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You have to remember this: If the EU is followed
by the consonants
θ= th,
κ= k,
ξ= ks,
π= p,
σ= s,
τ= t,
φ= f,
χ= h,
ψ= ps,
it is pronounced as EF.
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Sounds HORRIBLE !
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Witziges Rätsel
> languages in the past 2000 years whereas in Greek they have remained
> constant so do not consider English as a guide to Greek pronunciation.
Who told you that? Greek has changed a great deal in that time.
Steve Hayes
>Sean GAYson Ruttledge you are a piteously backward barbarian torgul,and
>a revolting, irredeemably boring vulgarity to all and sundry.
Well that's certainly not how I pronounce "Euthyphro"
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Who told you that?
Why don't you learn to speak Greek and then you will find out that it is
unpronounceable in any way except the modern pronunciation. That's why is
hasn't changed it sound in over 2000 years. Why don't you also learn Italian
and you will find out that it sounds closer to modern Greek than it does to
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You can just call those the voiceless or unvoiced consonants. (I don't
really understand what "fortis" means, so I don't know whether you can
call them that.) Those terms are widely known, and probably
universally known in a.u.e.
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> >> "Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
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> >>
> >> [...]
> >>
> >>> The modern Greek pronunciation is the same as the ancinet.
> >>
> >> Funny old Greeks, inventing all those different ways of writing
> >> "ee".
> >
> > Funny old Canadians, not being able to hear the difference.
> >
> > http://www.bsw.org/?l=72081&a=Art06.html
>
> Thank you. An interesting account. I note that the author agrees
> with me that there are rather a lot of ways of spelling "ee" (section
> 153" "...the Greeks gave to several letters the sound of 'I'," and
> section 157). He also seems to think there have been sound changes
> from time to time (section 160).
And in fact many of the sound changes are from the "Erasmian"
pronunciation to the modern one. Caragounis just saying they happened
earlier than many non-Greek scholars think.
> I should add that I don't defend the Western academic pronunciation of
> ancient Greek on the grounds of phonetic accuracy, particularly with
> regard to the vowel sounds; it is hardly possible that any one system
> of pronunciation could reproduce the different speech-sounds of a
> language with such a long history of continuous use. But I think its
> ability to reflect classical Attic and Koine spelling is useful for
> scholars who deal almost entirely with the written texts, perhaps
> unlike the scholars of Greece who see it, and use it, as an archaic
> form of their own language.
>
> I can't believe that there have been no sound changes over the last
> two and one-half millennia. I would have to see some reason why Greek
> should have been excepted from the common fate of all languages for so
> long. I don't expect to convince you either, of course.
...
I *think* the claim is that for two and a half millennia, any sound
changes have been mirrored by spelling changes, as in eptas and eftas,
the two modern ways to say and write 7.
--
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CDB
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> CDB wrote:
>> "Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
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>> > "CDB" <unbe...@sprint.ca> wrote in message
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>> >>
>> >> "Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
>> >> news:voCdnd617bm...@pipex.net...
[...]
>> >>> The modern Greek pronunciation is the same as the ancinet.
>> >>
>> >> Funny old Greeks, inventing all those different ways of writing
>> >> "ee".
>> >
>> > Funny old Canadians, not being able to hear the difference.
>> >
>> > http://www.bsw.org/?l=72081&a=Art06.html
>>
>> Thank you. An interesting account. I note that the author agrees
>> with me that there are rather a lot of ways of spelling "ee"
>> (section
>> 153" "...the Greeks gave to several letters the sound of 'I'," and
>> section 157). He also seems to think there have been sound changes
>> from time to time (section 160).
>
> And in fact many of the sound changes are from the "Erasmian"
> pronunciation to the modern one. Caragounis just saying they
> happened
> earlier than many non-Greek scholars think.
[...]
>> I can't believe that there have been no sound changes over the last
>> two and one-half millennia. I would have to see some reason why
>> Greek
>> should have been excepted from the common fate of all languages for
>> so
>> long. I don't expect to convince you either, of course.
> ...
>
> I *think* the claim is that for two and a half millennia, any sound
> changes have been mirrored by spelling changes, as in eptas and
> eftas,
> the two modern ways to say and write 7.
I agree that that's the claim, along with the imprecise nature of the
spelling system from the beginning. I persist in believing, if only
on general principles, more sound than spelling changes took place:
that, for example, "eta", "iota", "upsilon", "epsilon iota" and
"omicron iota" were all pronounced differently, that "beta" was
pronounced like the modern "b" (a sound it retains following "mu", as
modern borrowings indicate), and that the "rough breathing" was
pronounced as "h" at least at some point in the classical period. All
these changes, as I see them, correspond too closely to sound changes
in other languages to be denied. After the time of innovation,
tradition and the prestige of Attic/Ionic might have resulted in
frozen spellings for a long while.
I guess, again, what I have trouble accepting is that the spellings
that were set when the Athenians adopted the Ionic system didn't
reflect the speech of at least some contemporary Greeks (in the case
of Attic, the aristocracy). Besides the long history, another fudge
factor (Hi Maggie!) would be the existence of many different local and
perhaps class dialects. Those, and imperfect literacy, seem to me to
account for the early variant spellings cited in the paper as
evidence that the spelling never precisely reflected speech.
I wouldn't dream of suggesting that Greeks, or anyone else, should
change a pronunciation they believe is the one true one, to please me.
I wouldn't consider changing the "Erasmian" pronunciation that I find
familiar, convenient and useful, to please them; or suggesting that
anyone else should do so.
jerry_f...@yahoo.com
Sorry, epta and efta.
> > the two modern ways to say and write 7.
>
> I agree that that's the claim, along with the imprecise nature of the
> spelling system from the beginning. I persist in believing, if only
> on general principles, more sound than spelling changes took place:
> that, for example, "eta", "iota", "upsilon", "epsilon iota" and
> "omicron iota" were all pronounced differently, that "beta" was
> pronounced like the modern "b" (a sound it retains following "mu", as
> modern borrowings indicate), and that the "rough breathing" was
> pronounced as "h" at least at some point in the classical period. All
> these changes, as I see them, correspond too closely to sound changes
> in other languages to be denied.
You're more or less agreeing with Caragounis. "Thus, the pronunciation
of AI tended towards and finally became identical with that of E, that
of EI, OI, and UI with I, while with U increasingly moving towards I,
the sound of U came to be represented by OU 28. This process, as the
evidence of the inscriptions indicates, was, for the most part,
initiated already in pre-classical antiquity." The only difference is
the time of the process.
> After the time of innovation,
> tradition and the prestige of Attic/Ionic might have resulted in
> frozen spellings for a long while.
>
> I guess, again, what I have trouble accepting is that the spellings
> that were set when the Athenians adopted the Ionic system didn't
> reflect the speech of at least some contemporary Greeks (in the case
> of Attic, the aristocracy). Besides the long history, another fudge
> factor (Hi Maggie!) would be the existence of many different local and
> perhaps class dialects. Those, and imperfect literacy, seem to me to
> account for the early variant spellings cited in the paper as
> evidence that the spelling never precisely reflected speech.
...
Indeed. The first written evidence for non-rhoticism in English is
from the early 17th century, I think ("juggernaut"), but that doesn't
mean that the great English-language writers and philosophers of the
twentieth century were all non-rhotic, or even just the great English
ones.
--
Jerry Friedman
Witziges Rätsel
>>> languages in the past 2000 years whereas in Greek they have remained
>>> constant so do not consider English as a guide to Greek pronunciation.
>>
>> Who told you that? Greek has changed a great deal in that time.
>
> Who told you that?
>
> Why don't you learn to speak Greek and then you will find out that it is
> unpronounceable in any way except the modern pronunciation. That's why is
> hasn't changed it sound in over 2000 years. Why don't you also learn
> Italian and you will find out that it sounds closer to modern Greek than
> it does to German or English.
Why don't you learn Cherokee or Yoruba? You'll thus learn more
about Greek, both ancient and modern, than you apparently know now.
CDB
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> CDB wrote:
[...]
Yes, more or less, and depending on what the meaning of the word
"initiated" is. I can't help thinking that if they had been
pronouncing words in a particular way c.500 BCE, they would have
decided to spell them the same way.
>> After the time of innovation,
>> tradition and the prestige of Attic/Ionic might have resulted in
>> frozen spellings for a long while.
>>
>> I guess, again, what I have trouble accepting is that the spellings
>> that were set when the Athenians adopted the Ionic system didn't
>> reflect the speech of at least some contemporary Greeks (in the
>> case
>> of Attic, the aristocracy). Besides the long history, another
>> fudge
>> factor (Hi Maggie!) would be the existence of many different local
>> and
>> perhaps class dialects. Those, and imperfect literacy, seem to me
>> to
>> account for the early variant spellings cited in the paper as
>> evidence that the spelling never precisely reflected speech.
> ...
>
> Indeed. The first written evidence for non-rhoticism in English is
> from the early 17th century, I think ("juggernaut"), but that
> doesn't
> mean that the great English-language writers and philosophers of the
> twentieth century were all non-rhotic, or even just the great
> English
> ones.
As you say. And as you said, it's a question of timing. I looked a
little way into it many years ago, out of personal interest, and came
to the conclusion, based on such things as borrowings between Greek
and (mostly) Latin (for example "gubernator" from "kubernetes",
compared with the later use of "y" for "upsilon"), that the
conventional Erasmian pronunciation was the one I wanted to use. The
books are far away, and all I can really remember now is the
conclusions.
The thread started with the question of how to pronounce "Euthyphro"
in English, and I think we probably agree on that.
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> CDB wrote:
>> "Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
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>> > "CDB" <unbe...@sprint.ca> wrote in message
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>> >>
>> >> "Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
>> >> news:voCdnd617bm...@pipex.net...
>> >>
>> >> [...]
>> >>
>> >>> The modern Greek pronunciation is the same as the ancinet.
>> >>
>> >> Funny old Greeks, inventing all those different ways of writing
>> >> "ee".
>> >
>> > Funny old Canadians, not being able to hear the difference.
>> >
>> > http://www.bsw.org/?l=72081&a=Art06.html
>>
>> Thank you. An interesting account. I note that the author agrees
>> with me that there are rather a lot of ways of spelling "ee" (section
>> 153" "...the Greeks gave to several letters the sound of 'I'," and
>> section 157). He also seems to think there have been sound changes
>> from time to time (section 160).
>
> And in fact many of the sound changes are from the "Erasmian"
> pronunciation to the modern one. Caragounis just saying they happened
> earlier than many non-Greek scholars think.
WRONG. He is saying that there was never an Erasmian pronunciation period,
otherwise the Greek language would have been completely unpronounceable.
Try pronouncing Buzdzdantioi insted of Buzzantioi. Try pronouncing bdomos
instead of vdhomos. Try pronouncing ekgdemia instead of ekghdhmia. If anyone
had used these un-Greek proncoiaiton they would have degenerated
immediately, therefore Greek can NEVER have been pronounced that way.
In fact if you can go back all the way to proto-Indo-European you will find
that EVERY word root is completely unpronounceable because it is falsely
based on Germanic pronunciation. It has been falsely assumed that Sanskrit
was pronounced like modern English and Latin was pronounced like modern
English and Greek was pronounced like modern English which everyone knows
has undergone massive phonetic changes due to Grimm's Law when in fact
Sanskrit, Latin, and proto-Germanic were pronounced like modern GREEK.
Greek has never changed its pronunciation because the Minoan Greeks were the
so-called proto-Indo-European and proto-Indo-European is only pronounceable
if it is pronounced like modern Greek. The Greek were the first Europeans to
use a proper alphabet and that preserved the pronunciation of Greek whereas
other European languages changed their pronunciation because the did not
have an alphabet.
The proto-Indo-European B was actually pronounced V and this sound is
pronounced in modern Greek. The proto-Indo-European D was actually
pronounced Dh and this sound is pronounced in modern Greek as delta. The
proto-Indo-European G was actually pronounced Gh and this sound is
pronounced in modern Greek as gamma. The proto-Indo-European F was actually
pronounced F not b^h or p^h. The proto-Indo-European TH was actually
pronounced Th like Greek theta not d^h. The proto-Indo-European H was
actually pronounced H and not g^h. The proto-Indo-European P was actually
pronounced B like the modern Greek pi. The proto-Indo-European T was
actually pronounced D like the modern Greek tau and the proto-Indo-European
K was actually pronounced G like the modern Greek kappa. All of these
consonantal sounds changed in Germanic languages but were unaffected in
Greek. The Italian and Indian sounds for these consonants are closer to the
softer modern Greek sounds than to the hard Germanic sounds which is why
Indians and Italians speak English with a funny accent and vice versa
whereas it is far easier for the to speak Greek without a funny accent vice
versa.
Agamemnon
Not so. Miss-spellings show that the diphthongs oi and ei were pronounced as
the are today and the letters ita, iota and ypsilon were originally
consonants in the proto-Sinaitic script which was the basis of the Greek
alphabet therefore their sounds were indeterminate and a significant
proportion of the population would have pronounced them the same way as
today with this becoming a majority by Hellenistic times..
>that "beta" was pronounced like the modern "b" (a sound it retains
>following "mu", as
Wrong. Spelling variations show that beta is interchanged with delta
therefore beta cannot possibly be b but it must be v and delta must be
"the".
Further more Dionysios Thraikos writing in 100 BC states that beta is the
middle sound between the consonants pi (pronounced like the English letter
b) and fi which is v. If the Erasmian system is used the middle sound of PPH
is P which is nonsensical therefore Dionysios Thraikos can not have had that
in mind.
http://www.enthymia.co.uk/Greek.htm
> modern borrowings indicate), and that the "rough breathing" was pronounced
> as "h" at least at some point in the classical period. All
Nascence.
> these changes, as I see them, correspond too closely to sound changes in
> other languages to be denied. After the time of innovation,
And that is where you are going wrong. Greek is NOT other languages. Greek
is Greek and the Greeks themelseves stated reputedly that the Barbarians
were so called because they could not pronounce Greek correctly. Therefore
Barbarian languages such as Germanic can not be used as the basis Greek was
pronounced.
> tradition and the prestige of Attic/Ionic might have resulted in frozen
> spellings for a long while.
>
> I guess, again, what I have trouble accepting is that the spellings that
> were set when the Athenians adopted the Ionic system didn't reflect the
> speech of at least some contemporary Greeks (in the case of Attic, the
> aristocracy). Besides the long history, another fudge factor (Hi Maggie!)
> would be the existence of many different local and perhaps class dialects.
> Those, and imperfect literacy, seem to me to account for the early variant
> spellings cited in the paper as evidence that the spelling never
> precisely reflected speech.
Wrong. Greek was spelled as is was pronounced and pronounced as it was
spelled. There was no fixed spelling system. Greeks were taught the correct
pronunciation of the alphabet and that is all you need to know to spell any
word in Greek. If a dialcet pronced a word differntly then its spelling was
different. That is the only reason why we know Greek dialects existed. If
you were to look at English on the other hand you would never know that
dialects exist since English spelling is fixed and based on the
pronunciation of the Frankish aristocracy and therefore does not reflect the
sound of the language up north or in Wales or Scotland or Birmingham or
London etc.
Henry Hooray
You are correct, there is of course not the remotest chance that Greek
pronunciation hasn't changed.
This is a 'discussion' our young but all-knowing friend Agamemnon has had
several times, both here and elsewhere. People who know what they talk about
have rebutted him several times, but Agamemnon is incapable of learning.
Agamemnon lives in a dream-world, a world inhabited by the ancient heroes,
and still run by the Greek gods. Yes, he has stated that Turkey is harder
hit by earthquakes than Greece, because they worship Poseidon less in Turkey
than they do in Greece (sadly, Agamemnon hasn't answered my query as to how
many Scandinavians, living in an area largely free from any noteworthy
tremors, worship Agamemnon's fairies).
Henry.
choro-nik
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Greek Gods do NOT rule in Scandinavian lands. Ask Agamemnonass, he will
confirm what I've just said.
--
choro-nik
*******
>
> Henry.
>
Agamemnon
"Henry Hooray" <c2mi...@sneakeLEAVETHISOUTmail.com> wrote in message
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> news:4356...@nocnews001.allthesites.org...
>>> All the vowels and consonants have changed their sound in Germanic
>>> languages in the past 2000 years whereas in Greek they have remained
>>> constant so do not consider English as a guide to Greek pronunciation.
>>
>> Who told you that? Greek has changed a great deal in that time.
>
> You are correct, there is of course not the remotest chance that Greek
> pronunciation hasn't changed.
WRONG.
>
> This is a 'discussion' our young but all-knowing friend Agamemnon has had
> several times, both here and elsewhere. People who know what they talk
> about have rebutted him several times, but Agamemnon is incapable of
> learning.
WRONG. Nobody has even remotely been able to refute any of the facts I
posted.
>
> Agamemnon lives in a dream-world, a world inhabited by the ancient heroes,
> and still run by the Greek gods. Yes, he has stated that Turkey is harder
> hit by earthquakes than Greece, because they worship Poseidon less in
> Turkey than they do in Greece (sadly, Agamemnon hasn't answered my query
> as to how
I never said anything of the kind.
> many Scandinavians, living in an area largely free from any noteworthy
> tremors, worship Agamemnon's fairies).
You are talking out of your arsehole.
>
> Henry.
>
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> "Witziges Rδtsel" <z...@roer.com> wrote in message
Henry Hooray
>
> "Henry Hooray" <c2mi...@sneakeLEAVETHISOUTmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3rs78kF...@individual.net...
>> "Witziges Rätsel" <z...@roer.com> wrote in message
>> news:4356...@nocnews001.allthesites.org...
>>>> All the vowels and consonants have changed their sound in Germanic
>>>> languages in the past 2000 years whereas in Greek they have remained
>>>> constant so do not consider English as a guide to Greek pronunciation.
>>>
>>> Who told you that? Greek has changed a great deal in that time.
>>
>> You are correct, there is of course not the remotest chance that Greek
>> pronunciation hasn't changed.
>
> WRONG.
Your schoolboy BIG LETTER SHOUTING does not make you right.
>> This is a 'discussion' our young but all-knowing friend Agamemnon has had
>> several times, both here and elsewhere. People who know what they talk
>> about have rebutted him several times, but Agamemnon is incapable of
>> learning.
>
> WRONG. Nobody has even remotely been able to refute any of the facts I
> posted.
Oh yes, they did. You were laughed at, Agamemnon, you were the laughing
stock amongst the real linguists.
>> Agamemnon lives in a dream-world, a world inhabited by the ancient
>> heroes, and still run by the Greek gods. Yes, he has stated that Turkey
>> is harder hit by earthquakes than Greece, because they worship Poseidon
>> less in Turkey than they do in Greece (sadly, Agamemnon hasn't answered
>> my query as to how
>
> I never said anything of the kind.
Nothing of the kind, Agamemnon? Well, then let me refresh your memory;
here's a bit of what you wrote, in a response to choro-nik:
- > Agamemnonass, the quake in Greece was 5.2 on the Richter scale while the
- > one in Turkey was 7.3. There is a vast difference between
-
- > FYI, 5.5 is double the strength of 5.2, while 5.8 is four times the
- > strength of 5.2. Also don't forget that the quake in Turkey struck at a
-
-
- The one in Greece lasted longer so the buildings had more time to crack.
-
- > time when everybody was asleep and struck a densely populated area.
-
- And Athens isn't a densely populated area is it.
-
- > Poseidon has nothing to do with it. If Gods have anything to do with
- > mother nature, then I am I don't know what.
-
- Poseidon protected Greece more than he did Turkey.
So yes, you most certainly did link Poseidon with earthquakes. Once again
you have been proven wrong.
>> many Scandinavians, living in an area largely free from any noteworthy
>> tremors, worship Agamemnon's fairies).
>
> You are talking out of your arsehole.
Bravo, Agamemnon, you know how to argue your lost cause. I presume you are
not going to answer my simple question, are you, Agamemnon.
As choro-nik said at the time:
"Anyway, don't expect a response from Agamemnon. He is too busy
constructing, of should I say handcrafting, solid wooden block Stradivari
violins."
Henry.
jerry_f...@yahoo.com
> <jerry_f...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1129828450....@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > CDB wrote:
> >> "Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
> >> news:LpmdnZ9WwuH...@pipex.net...
> >> >
> >> > "CDB" <unbe...@sprint.ca> wrote in message
> >> > news:msa5f.6983$5I2....@newscontent-01.sprint.ca...
> >> >>
> >> >> "Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
> >> >> news:voCdnd617bm...@pipex.net...
> >> >>
> >> >> [...]
> >> >>
> >> >>> The modern Greek pronunciation is the same as the ancinet.
> >> >>
> >> >> Funny old Greeks, inventing all those different ways of writing
> >> >> "ee".
> >> >
> >> > Funny old Canadians, not being able to hear the difference.
> >> >
> >> > http://www.bsw.org/?l=72081&a=Art06.html
> >>
> >> Thank you. An interesting account. I note that the author agrees
> >> with me that there are rather a lot of ways of spelling "ee" (section
> >> 153" "...the Greeks gave to several letters the sound of 'I'," and
> >> section 157). He also seems to think there have been sound changes
> >> from time to time (section 160).
> >
> > And in fact many of the sound changes are from the "Erasmian"
> > pronunciation to the modern one. Caragounis
is
> > just saying they happened
> > earlier than many non-Greek scholars think.
>
> WRONG. He is saying that there was never an Erasmian pronunciation period,
> otherwise the Greek language would have been completely unpronounceable.
I didn't say there was an Erasmian pronunciation period. I said many
of the changes were from "Erasmian" pronunciations. You probably
missed this excerpt that I quoted in another post: "Thus, the
pronunciation
of AI tended towards and finally became identical with that of E, that
of EI, OI, and UI with I, while with U increasingly moving towards I,
the sound of U came to be represented by OU 28. This process, as the
evidence of the inscriptions indicates, was, for the most part,
initiated already in pre-classical antiquity." And other examples.
> Try pronouncing Buzdzdantioi insted of Buzzantioi.
I think you mean Vizzantioi. I'm not for a minute defending the "zd"
idea.
> Try pronouncing bdomos instead of vdhomos.
It's too bad Caragounis's article doesn't say how "pteron" was
pronounced. Whatever the pronunciation was, "bdomos" could have been
pronounced with the voiced version of the initial sound--in the
earliest times.
> Try pronouncing ekgdemia instead of ekghdhmia.
I can't say either "ekgdemia" or "ekghdhemia".
Try saying "Kpala". I can't do it, but people do every day. I *think*
the k and p are articulated simultaneously.
> If anyone
> had used these un-Greek proncoiaiton they would have degenerated
> immediately, therefore Greek can NEVER have been pronounced that way.
...
> Greek has never changed its pronunciation because the Minoan Greeks were the
> so-called proto-Indo-European and proto-Indo-European is only pronounceable
> if it is pronounced like modern Greek.
...
I hope I wasn't mistaken in taking you seriously despite the above.
--
Jerry Friedman
Agamemnon
"Henry Hooray" <c2mi...@sneakeLEAVETHISOUTmail.com> wrote in message
> "Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
> news:99GdnZJWNfH...@pipex.net...
>>
>> "Henry Hooray" <c2mi...@sneakeLEAVETHISOUTmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:3rs78kF...@individual.net...
>>> "Witziges Rätsel" <z...@roer.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4356...@nocnews001.allthesites.org...
>>>>> All the vowels and consonants have changed their sound in Germanic
>>>>> languages in the past 2000 years whereas in Greek they have remained
>>>>> constant so do not consider English as a guide to Greek pronunciation.
>>>>
>>>> Who told you that? Greek has changed a great deal in that time.
>>>
>>> You are correct, there is of course not the remotest chance that Greek
>>> pronunciation hasn't changed.
>>
>> WRONG.
>
> Your schoolboy BIG LETTER SHOUTING does not make you right.
IDOT !
>
>>> This is a 'discussion' our young but all-knowing friend Agamemnon has
>>> had several times, both here and elsewhere. People who know what they
>>> talk about have rebutted him several times, but Agamemnon is incapable
>>> of learning.
>>
>> WRONG. Nobody has even remotely been able to refute any of the facts I
>> posted.
>
> Oh yes, they did. You were laughed at, Agamemnon, you were the laughing
> stock amongst the real linguists.
WRONG. They were the ones being laughed at when I blew them all down.
>
>>> Agamemnon lives in a dream-world, a world inhabited by the ancient
>>> heroes, and still run by the Greek gods. Yes, he has stated that Turkey
>>> is harder hit by earthquakes than Greece, because they worship Poseidon
>>> less in Turkey than they do in Greece (sadly, Agamemnon hasn't answered
>>> my query as to how
>>
>> I never said anything of the kind.
>
> Nothing of the kind, Agamemnon? Well, then let me refresh your memory;
> here's a bit of what you wrote, in a response to choro-nik:
Nothing of the kind.
>
> - > Agamemnonass, the quake in Greece was 5.2 on the Richter scale while
> the
> - > one in Turkey was 7.3. There is a vast difference between
> -
> - > FYI, 5.5 is double the strength of 5.2, while 5.8 is four times the
> - > strength of 5.2. Also don't forget that the quake in Turkey struck at
> a
> -
> -
> - The one in Greece lasted longer so the buildings had more time to crack.
> -
> - > time when everybody was asleep and struck a densely populated area.
> -
> - And Athens isn't a densely populated area is it.
> -
> - > Poseidon has nothing to do with it. If Gods have anything to do with
> - > mother nature, then I am I don't know what.
> -
> - Poseidon protected Greece more than he did Turkey.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.greek/browse_frm/thread/52bbb45b4241bac0/64c8a86bfd63bf7b?lnk=st&q=turkey+earthquake+poseidon+author:agamemnon&rnum=1&hl=en#64c8a86bfd63bf7b
>
> So yes, you most certainly did link Poseidon with earthquakes. Once again
> you have been proven wrong.
BULLSHIT. It is nothing like you describe. I was stating point of fact.
Poseidon the God of Earthquakes protected Greece more than Turkey. I said
nothing about him being worshiped in either Greece or Turkey you dissembling
piece of excrement..
>
>>> many Scandinavians, living in an area largely free from any noteworthy
>>> tremors, worship Agamemnon's fairies).
>>
>> You are talking out of your arsehole.
>
> Bravo, Agamemnon, you know how to argue your lost cause. I presume you are
> not going to answer my simple question, are you, Agamemnon.
IDIOT !
Agamemnon
<jerry_f...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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B and D are both voiced and by definition all voiced consonants need to be
followed by a vowel in order to be sounded.
P and T as both voiceless so do not need and intermediate vowel to be
sounded so the ancient Greeks would have had no problem with pteron which in
any case was easier to pronounce as fteron.
> pronounced with the voiced version of the initial sound--in the
> earliest times.
It is highly unlikely that such a pronunciation could have endured for more
than a few months let alone years. The fact that there is no vowel between b
and d in bdomos shows that b cannot have been voiced.
>
>> Try pronouncing ekgdemia instead of ekghdhmia.
>
> I can't say either "ekgdemia" or "ekghdhemia"
That's because you don't know what the Greek letter gamma is supposed to
sound like. gh represents gamma and dh represents delta.
.
>
> Try saying "Kpala". I can't do it, but people do every day. I *think*
What does the Klingon word Kapla (to victory or something) have to do with
Greek ?
> the k and p are articulated simultaneously.
Not in Star Trek The Search for Spock they're not.
>
>> If anyone
>> had used these un-Greek proncoiaiton they would have degenerated
>> immediately, therefore Greek can NEVER have been pronounced that way.
> ...
>
>> Greek has never changed its pronunciation because the Minoan Greeks were
>> the
>> so-called proto-Indo-European and proto-Indo-European is only
>> pronounceable
>> if it is pronounced like modern Greek.
> ...
>
> I hope I wasn't mistaken in taking you seriously despite the above.
Get an education and listed to other Europe languages being spoken by their
native speakers and stop assuming that the proto-Indo-Europeans spoke in a
home counties English accent, just because Anglos-Saxons can't be arsed to
pronounce other people languages properly.
>
> --
> Jerry Friedman
>
jerry_f...@yahoo.com
That is so true.
> gh represents gamma and dh represents delta.
I did know that.
> > Try saying "Kpala". I can't do it, but people do every day. I *think*
>
> What does the Klingon word Kapla (to victory or something) have to do with
> Greek ?
>
> > the k and p are articulated simultaneously.
>
> Not in Star Trek The Search for Spock they're not.
...
Kpala is the name of a Niger-Congo language spoken in the Democratic
Republic of the Congo and of a dialect of Kresh, spoken in the Sudan
<http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=kpl>. Speaking of
voiced consonants, people also seem to be able to say Gbarnga
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gbarnga>. What this has to do with Greek
is that if people can say Gbarnga, ancient Greeks may have been able to
say "bdomos" and "ekgdemia" in ways that you've never imagined.
> >> Greek has never changed its pronunciation because the Minoan Greeks were
> >> the
> >> so-called proto-Indo-European and proto-Indo-European is only
> >> pronounceable
> >> if it is pronounced like modern Greek.
> > ...
> >
> > I hope I wasn't mistaken in taking you seriously despite the above.
>
> Get an education and listed to other Europe languages being spoken by their
> native speakers and stop assuming that the proto-Indo-Europeans spoke in a
> home counties English accent,
I like that part.
Agamemnon
<jerry_f...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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How do you know its pronounced Gbamga and not Ghvamgha like in Greek ?
Why should I believe any English linguist when the English have a proven
track record of mispronouncing other languages and not making the effort to
speak Greek properly.
Mike Lyle
> Agamemnon wrote:
[...]
>> Get an education and listed to other Europe languages being spoken
>> by their native speakers and stop assuming that the
>> proto-Indo-Europeans spoke in a home counties English accent,
>
> I like that part.
It's the way I've always heard you, Jerry. I can't work out why
you're still conversing with the chap, but, by the nine Muses! some
winged words have escaped the barrier of your teeth. In that really
neat British accent of yours -- say, I guess you knew Laurence
Olivier _personally_.
--
Mike.
jerry_f...@yahoo.com
> jerry_f...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Agamemnon wrote:
> [...]
> >> Get an education and listed to other Europe languages being spoken
> >> by their native speakers and stop assuming that the
> >> proto-Indo-Europeans spoke in a home counties English accent,
> >
> > I like that part.
>
> It's the way I've always heard you, Jerry. I can't work out why
> you're still conversing with the chap,
There may be a curse on my house.
> but, by the nine Muses! some
> winged words have escaped the barrier of your teeth. In that really
> neat British accent of yours -- say, I guess you knew Laurence
> Olivier _personally_.
I'm quite chuffed, really, that you have been able to realise some
enjoyment from my cut-glass typing.
--
Jerry Friedman
choro-nik
the most confused posting I have ever seen todate.
You are like the proverbial communist who also subscribed to the Nazi
ideology or the other way round.
Your mind must be absolutely like minestrone soup.
--
choro-nik
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choro-nik wrote:
> Y is not a f**ckin' F, re Praxandro, re Ksidinopaidi.
>
> In Inglese or English (not Ingliss or don't you have the equivalent if the
> SH as in SHIT (PARDON!!) it is the equivalent of the letter V at least
> phonetically if not frenetically.
>
> BTW, let's hear you say Fiss & Tsips....
>
>
> XiXiXi or HeHeHe in Ingliss!!! Si, si. Mouchas grazias! How did that
> song so re Ksidinopaidi?
>
> Did it go Mpezame moucho? Much, much moucho, re mouchompexti....
>
> Ma ali8ia? Or was it Mpesame moucho and you took it for "Mpazoume moucho"?
>
> --
> choro-nik
> *******
> "Praxandros-21" <chris...@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:ICi5f.11295$1X1....@fe12.lga...
> EUQUFRWN uV LOXOFRWN
> EUQUS --=(STREHT , IN INGKLISS)- OPPOSIT --- LOXOS (SLANTET)
> FRWN FRHN ---=(MAHNTET, IN INGKLISS)
>
> PROONAOUNST --- EFQIFRON
>
> EFTHY = STRAIGHT VS SLANDED
> FRON = MINDED
>
>
>
> WHY DON'T YOU GUYS USE THE GREEK ALPHABET ,... ITS BEEN CONCEIVED TO BE
> ACRO-PHONIC SINCE ITS INCEPTION
> AND HAD NEVER CHANGED.....EVER
>
> TZHHHZAS KKRAAAHS !!!!!!
>
> PRAX-21
>
>
>
>
> "CDB" <unbe...@sprint.ca> wrote in message
Henry Hooray
>
> "Henry Hooray" <c2mi...@sneakeLEAVETHISOUTmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3rshc1F...@individual.net...
>> "Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
>> news:99GdnZJWNfH...@pipex.net...
>>>
>>> "Henry Hooray" <c2mi...@sneakeLEAVETHISOUTmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:3rs78kF...@individual.net...
>>>> "Witziges Rätsel" <z...@roer.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4356...@nocnews001.allthesites.org...
>>>>>> All the vowels and consonants have changed their sound in Germanic
>>>>>> languages in the past 2000 years whereas in Greek they have remained
>>>>>> constant so do not consider English as a guide to Greek
>>>>>> pronunciation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who told you that? Greek has changed a great deal in that time.
>>>>
>>>> You are correct, there is of course not the remotest chance that Greek
>>>> pronunciation hasn't changed.
>>>
>>> WRONG.
>>
>> Your schoolboy BIG LETTER SHOUTING does not make you right.
>
> IDOT !
Bravo, Agamemnon.
>>>> This is a 'discussion' our young but all-knowing friend Agamemnon has
>>>> had several times, both here and elsewhere. People who know what they
>>>> talk about have rebutted him several times, but Agamemnon is incapable
>>>> of learning.
>>>
>>> WRONG. Nobody has even remotely been able to refute any of the facts I
>>> posted.
>>
>> Oh yes, they did. You were laughed at, Agamemnon, you were the laughing
>> stock amongst the real linguists.
>
> WRONG. They were the ones being laughed at when I blew them all down.
This could conceivably be construed as being correct: maybe you were
laughing at all of them, while they were all laughing at you.
>>>> Agamemnon lives in a dream-world, a world inhabited by the ancient
>>>> heroes, and still run by the Greek gods. Yes, he has stated that Turkey
>>>> is harder hit by earthquakes than Greece, because they worship Poseidon
>>>> less in Turkey than they do in Greece (sadly, Agamemnon hasn't answered
>>>> my query as to how
>>>
>>> I never said anything of the kind.
>>
>> Nothing of the kind, Agamemnon? Well, then let me refresh your memory;
>> here's a bit of what you wrote, in a response to choro-nik:
>
> Nothing of the kind.
But I have just shown it to you, my friend. You even admit it in your next
writing - so why are you still in denial?
It is your sweet and naive belief in Poseidon and your somewhat unscientific
approach to the causes of earthquakes that I pointed out in the first place.
The same sort of unscientific approach you use when you try to prove your
ridiculous assertion that Greek pronunciation (unlike any other in the
world) has not changed at all for thousand of years, and by which you have
disqualified yourself from any chance of being taken seriously.
>>>> many Scandinavians, living in an area largely free from any noteworthy
>>>> tremors, worship Agamemnon's fairies).
>>>
>>> You are talking out of your arsehole.
>>
>> Bravo, Agamemnon, you know how to argue your lost cause. I presume you
>> are not going to answer my simple question, are you, Agamemnon.
>
> IDIOT !
Bravo, Agamemnon.
Walter Constantin Gogu Costica Brincoveanu Mitty
THE NAZI TROLL Anti-Semite Gogu is never away
How could he ever be BACK ?
PWNT !
Walter Constantin Gogu Costica Brincoveanu Mitty
How nice to see two complete arsehole LOSERS in a silly girls
bitchfight !
*ROTFFLMFAOAY*
PWN3D !
turcobasher
boring-asshole
Agamemnon
"Henry Hooray" <c2mi...@sneakeLEAVETHISOUTmail.com> wrote in message
> "Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
> news:ooednVlF1tA...@pipex.net...
>>
>> "Henry Hooray" <c2mi...@sneakeLEAVETHISOUTmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:3rshc1F...@individual.net...
>>> "Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
>>> news:99GdnZJWNfH...@pipex.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Henry Hooray" <c2mi...@sneakeLEAVETHISOUTmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:3rs78kF...@individual.net...
>>>>> "Witziges Rätsel" <z...@roer.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4356...@nocnews001.allthesites.org...
>>>>>>> All the vowels and consonants have changed their sound in Germanic
>>>>>>> languages in the past 2000 years whereas in Greek they have remained
>>>>>>> constant so do not consider English as a guide to Greek
>>>>>>> pronunciation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who told you that? Greek has changed a great deal in that
>>>>>> time.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are correct, there is of course not the remotest chance that Greek
>>>>> pronunciation hasn't changed.
>>>>
>>>> WRONG.
>>>
>>> Your schoolboy BIG LETTER SHOUTING does not make you right.
>>
>> IDOT !
>
> Bravo, Agamemnon.
IDOT TROLL !
>
>>>>> This is a 'discussion' our young but all-knowing friend Agamemnon has
>>>>> had several times, both here and elsewhere. People who know what they
>>>>> talk about have rebutted him several times, but Agamemnon is incapable
>>>>> of learning.
>>>>
>>>> WRONG. Nobody has even remotely been able to refute any of the facts I
>>>> posted.
>>>
>>> Oh yes, they did. You were laughed at, Agamemnon, you were the laughing
>>> stock amongst the real linguists.
>>
>> WRONG. They were the ones being laughed at when I blew them all down.
>
> This could conceivably be construed as being correct: maybe you were
> laughing at all of them, while they were all laughing at you.
They were in the minority. The majority were laughing at thme.
>
>>>>> Agamemnon lives in a dream-world, a world inhabited by the ancient
>>>>> heroes, and still run by the Greek gods. Yes, he has stated that
>>>>> Turkey is harder hit by earthquakes than Greece, because they worship
>>>>> Poseidon less in Turkey than they do in Greece (sadly, Agamemnon
>>>>> hasn't answered my query as to how
>>>>
>>>> I never said anything of the kind.
>>>
>>> Nothing of the kind, Agamemnon? Well, then let me refresh your memory;
>>> here's a bit of what you wrote, in a response to choro-nik:
>>
>> Nothing of the kind.
>
> But I have just shown it to you, my friend. You even admit it in your next
No you haven't you retard. All that you have done is DISSEMBLED.
> writing - so why are you still in denial?
Your dissembling will not work.
I think you mean your unscientific approach.
Poseidon does as he pleases and you would know that if you read Euthyphro.
If people show him their piety such as constructing him a tsunami early
warning system in his honour and dedicating their houses to him in the
manner he desires using reinforced concrete and high quality matrices then
he is more likely to protect them.
> The same sort of unscientific approach you use when you try to prove your
> ridiculous assertion that Greek pronunciation (unlike any other in the
> world) has not changed at all for thousand of years, and by which you have
> disqualified yourself from any chance of being taken seriously.
You are talking out your arse.
>
>>>>> many Scandinavians, living in an area largely free from any noteworthy
>>>>> tremors, worship Agamemnon's fairies).
>>>>
>>>> You are talking out of your arsehole.
>>>
>>> Bravo, Agamemnon, you know how to argue your lost cause. I presume you
>>> are not going to answer my simple question, are you, Agamemnon.
>>
>> IDIOT !
>
> Bravo, Agamemnon.
FOOL !
>
>>> As choro-nik said at the time:
>>>
>>> "Anyway, don't expect a response from Agamemnon. He is too busy
>>> constructing, of should I say handcrafting, solid wooden block
>>> Stradivari violins."
>
> Henry.
the TROLL !
>
>
Seanie O'Kilfoyle
Dumbfuck FREAK racist cunt BITCH !
Henry Hooray
Bravo, Agamemnon. Shouting makes you ever so much more convincing.
>>>>>> This is a 'discussion' our young but all-knowing friend Agamemnon has
>>>>>> had several times, both here and elsewhere. People who know what they
>>>>>> talk about have rebutted him several times, but Agamemnon is
>>>>>> incapable of learning.
>>>>>
>>>>> WRONG. Nobody has even remotely been able to refute any of the facts I
>>>>> posted.
>>>>
>>>> Oh yes, they did. You were laughed at, Agamemnon, you were the laughing
>>>> stock amongst the real linguists.
>>>
>>> WRONG. They were the ones being laughed at when I blew them all down.
>>
>> This could conceivably be construed as being correct: maybe you were
>> laughing at all of them, while they were all laughing at you.
>
> They were in the minority. The majority were laughing at thme.
This is simply not true. There was one - repeat: one! - other poster who,
whilst not directly agreeing with you, suggested that we should take you
more seriously. Everybody else in that discussion disagreed with you, and
laughed at your unscientific methodologies and all-knowing obstinacy.
>>>>>> Agamemnon lives in a dream-world, a world inhabited by the ancient
>>>>>> heroes, and still run by the Greek gods. Yes, he has stated that
>>>>>> Turkey is harder hit by earthquakes than Greece, because they worship
>>>>>> Poseidon less in Turkey than they do in Greece (sadly, Agamemnon
>>>>>> hasn't answered my query as to how
>>>>>
>>>>> I never said anything of the kind.
>>>>
>>>> Nothing of the kind, Agamemnon? Well, then let me refresh your memory;
>>>> here's a bit of what you wrote, in a response to choro-nik:
>>>
>>> Nothing of the kind.
>>
>> But I have just shown it to you, my friend. You even admit it in your
>> next
>
> No you haven't you retard. All that you have done is DISSEMBLED.
Wrong, Agamemnon, You have yet again been caught with your mythical pants
around your ankles, and of course you cannot admit this, not even to
yourself.
>> writing - so why are you still in denial?
>
> Your dissembling will not work.
Wrong, Agamemnon, You have yet again been caught with your mythical pants
around your ankles, and of course you cannot admit this, not even to
yourself.
No, I mean your unscientific approach. It is not 'science' to explain the
preponderance of earthquakes in Turkey by saying that "Poseidon protected
Greece more than he did Turkey.". It is just something in your sweet and
innocent fantasy-world, that's all, Agamemnon; science it is not.
> Poseidon does as he pleases and you would know that if you read Euthyphro.
> If people show him their piety such as constructing him a tsunami early
> warning system in his honour and dedicating their houses to him in the
> manner he desires using reinforced concrete and high quality matrices then
> he is more likely to protect them.
Gobbledygook. Amusing mythical anecdotes, but that is of course all that it
is.
And let me now repeat my earlier question, namely why it is that Poseidon
seemingly spares the Scandinavian countries from the ravages of earthquakes
when the people there most definitely do not "show him their piety" (thanks
the laughs, Agamemnon), not in tsunami early warning systems, not in
dedicating their houses to him, but where they in fact consider him just
another mythical figure, like somebody out of Grimm's Tales. Surely this
must upset this mighty and ever so real God of yours, Agamemnon (suppressing
a grin) - but please do tell us, do you also believe in Father Christmas and
the Tooth Fairy, Agamemnon? Please do tell us, Agamemnon!
>> The same sort of unscientific approach you use when you try to prove your
>> ridiculous assertion that Greek pronunciation (unlike any other in the
>> world) has not changed at all for thousand of years, and by which you
>> have disqualified yourself from any chance of being taken seriously.
>
> You are talking out your arse.
Bravo, Agamemnon.
>>>>>> many Scandinavians, living in an area largely free from any
>>>>>> noteworthy tremors, worship Agamemnon's fairies).
>>>>>
>>>>> You are talking out of your arsehole.
>>>>
>>>> Bravo, Agamemnon, you know how to argue your lost cause. I presume you
>>>> are not going to answer my simple question, are you, Agamemnon.
>>>
>>> IDIOT !
>>
>> Bravo, Agamemnon.
>
> FOOL !
Bravo, Agamemnon. Shouting makes you ever so much more convincing.
>>>> As choro-nik said at the time:
>>>>
>>>> "Anyway, don't expect a response from Agamemnon. He is too busy
>>>> constructing, of should I say handcrafting, solid wooden block
>>>> Stradivari violins."
>>
>> Henry.
>
> the TROLL !
Bravo, Agamemnon. Shouting makes you ever so much more convincing.
Henry.
Costas Spyronikolapapahatziharambosdimitropoulakis
Henry Trosborg "the grate (sic) Dane" gets all repetetive when he's on
the back foot doesn't he !
*LOL*
Let me try being repetetive
Richard Tobin
Agamemnon <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>> Can anyone tell how the word "Euthyphro" in Plato's dialogue thus
>> titled is pronounced? I am talking about the Euthypro Dilemma recorded
>> in the dialogue.
>Ev-thi-fro
Presumably the OP is interested in the conventional English pronunciation
of classical Greek, in which the first syllable is "yoo".
-- Richard
Pants Awry
CORRECT
Default User
>
>
> CORRECT
Less than completely informative.
Brian
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F'koff
Mike Lyle
Oh, right, I see what you mean now. Thanks for the clarification.
Have you met Jai Maharaj? I think you'll get on in there.
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Mike.
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> F'koff
Do you need a lozenge?
Brian
Costas
"Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message news:w42dnWksRZV...@pipex.net...
>
> "qquito" <qqu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1129619081....@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> Hell, All:
>>
>> Can anyone tell how the word "Euthyphro" in Plato's dialogue thus
>> titled is pronounced? I am talking about the Euthypro Dilemma recorded
>> in the dialogue.
>
> Ev-thi-fro
>
> "thi" as in thin
>
> "fro" as in from (with a rolled r like in Scott's)
>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> --Roland
>>
>
Henry Hooray
> seemingly spares the Scandinavian countries from the ravages of
> earthquakes when the people there most definitely do not "show him their
> piety" (thanks the laughs, Agamemnon), not in tsunami early warning
> systems, not in dedicating their houses to him, but where they in fact
> consider him just another mythical figure, like somebody out of Grimm's
> Tales. Surely this must upset this mighty and ever so real God of yours,
> Agamemnon (suppressing a grin) - but please do tell us, do you also
> believe in Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy, Agamemnon? Please do tell
> us, Agamemnon!
No answer from Agamemnon. Hardly surprising.
Agamemnon's childlike belief in Poseidon is probably not as "scientific" as
he pretends.
Henry.
Walter Constantin Gogu Costica Brincoveanu Mitty
Nazi Bitch alert !
Rrrrromaneshti Koku isn't hiding behind lame socks like "Karavan" today
*LMFAO*
gogu
?????? ??? ??????
news:1131284729....@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> Nazi Bitch alert !
NAZI TURKISH FILTH ALERT!
> Rrrrromaneshti Koku isn't hiding behind lame socks like "Karavan" today
LOL
You are a STUPID Turk, aren't you ?;-)
I, myself, said that it was a mistake and you will not find another posting
under that screen name, so how is that "I am hiding" you DUMB NAZI Turkish
TROLL ?;-)
PWN !
PWN !
PWN !
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Yes dickhead
You try to hide
YOU FAIL
Then you scream in your RomanogrikPidjin "I MAKE A MISTAKE" because you
know that if you don't we're gonna bitchslap your dumb yeeftos ass once
again
*LOL*
Poor haunted Koku
How is your IMAGINARY coin collection bwoy ?
PWNT !
turcobasher
gastarbeiter like you thinks or rails?