Prepositional 'Because'

[Lewis]

One of the new words that Merriam Webster has added to the dictionary
recently is the prepositional use of because. Regular readers may recall
I asked about this a couple of years back and gave the example of

"because bacon"

(other words of note in this collection are superspreader, long covid,
vaccine passport, and fluffernutter.


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[bruce bowser]

On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 8:11:12 PM UTC-5, Lewis wrote:
> One of the new words that Merriam Webster has added to the dictionary
> recently is the prepositional use of because. Regular readers may recall
> I asked about this a couple of years back and gave the example of
>
> "because bacon"
>
> (other words of note in this collection are superspreader, long covid,
> vaccine passport, and fluffernutter.

It is a conjunction, when 'because' is followed by a clause.

[Snidely]

bruce bowser explained :

Do catch up; that's so 20th C

-d

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[Lewis]

Feel free to ague with the people at M-W.


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[Kerr-Mudd, John]

ache an see that might be a pane.

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[Peter T. Daniels]

Or consult a thread here from maybe ten years ago, when the
usage started popping up among Californians and youngsters?

[Tak To]

<pedant mode>

It is an adverb (conjunctive ~) when followed by a subordinating
(dependent) clause in a complex sentence.

Conjunctions are words like 'and' and 'but', which joins
coordinated (independent) clauses to form a compound sentence.

A conjunctive adverb can start a sentence. A conjunction
cannot.

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[bruce bowser]

What color paint where they huffing out in the central valley, back then?

[Suzie Fitzgerald]

On Monday, 24 January 2022 at 16:12:00 UTC, Tak To wrote:
> On 1/23/2022 12:16 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
> > On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 8:11:12 PM UTC-5, Lewis wrote:
> >> One of the new words that Merriam Webster has added to the dictionary
> >> recently is the prepositional use of because. Regular readers may recall
> >> I asked about this a couple of years back and gave the example of
> >>
> >> "because bacon"
> >>
> >> (other words of note in this collection are superspreader, long covid,
> >> vaccine passport, and fluffernutter.
> >
> > It is a conjunction, when 'because' is followed by a clause.
> <pedant mode>
>
> It is an adverb (conjunctive ~) when followed by a subordinating
> (dependent) clause in a complex sentence.
>
> Conjunctions are words like 'and' and 'but', which joins
> coordinated (independent) clauses to form a compound sentence.
>
> A conjunctive adverb can start a sentence. A conjunction
> cannot.

But it can. And frequently does.

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 11:12:00 AM UTC-5, Tak To wrote:
> On 1/23/2022 12:16 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
> > On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 8:11:12 PM UTC-5, Lewis wrote:

> >> One of the new words that Merriam Webster has added to the dictionary
> >> recently is the prepositional use of because. Regular readers may recall
> >> I asked about this a couple of years back and gave the example of
> >> "because bacon"
> >> (other words of note in this collection are superspreader, long covid,
> >> vaccine passport, and fluffernutter.
> > It is a conjunction, when 'because' is followed by a clause.
> <pedant mode>
>
> It is an adverb (conjunctive ~) when followed by a subordinating
> (dependent) clause in a complex sentence.
>
> Conjunctions are words like 'and' and 'but', which joins
> coordinated (independent) clauses to form a compound sentence.
>
> A conjunctive adverb can start a sentence. A conjunction
> cannot.

In the obsolete "theory" of grammar you are wedded to, there are
coordinating conjunctions and subordinating conjunctions.

[Bebercito]

Le lundi 24 janvier 2022 à 17:12:00 UTC+1, Tak To a écrit :
> On 1/23/2022 12:16 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
> > On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 8:11:12 PM UTC-5, Lewis wrote:
> >> One of the new words that Merriam Webster has added to the dictionary
> >> recently is the prepositional use of because. Regular readers may recall
> >> I asked about this a couple of years back and gave the example of
> >>
> >> "because bacon"
> >>
> >> (other words of note in this collection are superspreader, long covid,
> >> vaccine passport, and fluffernutter.
> >
> > It is a conjunction, when 'because' is followed by a clause.
> <pedant mode>
>
> It is an adverb (conjunctive ~) when followed by a subordinating
> (dependent) clause in a complex sentence.

No, it's a subordinating conjunction. With "conjunctive adverbs", the
clause that follows isn't actually "dependent" on the adverbs as it
is with the conjunction "because", e.g.

- She took her umbrella *because* it was raining: subordinating
conjunction (you can't remove "because" from the clause
that follows).

- It was raining; *accordingly*, she took her umbrella: conjunctive
adverb (can be removed from the clause).

[David Kleinecke]

A "because clause" is an adjunct expression meaning "reason". In
English such adjuncts are mixed up with adjuncts expressing "purpose"
(as in 'in order to ...'). Also in English a kind of adjunct clause is almost
always paralleled by a kind of adjunct phrase. As in
Because rain I took my umbrella
I wonder how old this case actually is in English. 2010?

[Snidely]

Monday, bruce bowser murmurred ...

Probably off-white and beige, because there was a lot of new
construction along the San Joaquin back just before 2008, and
developers love those colors.

/dps "especially around Hanford and Tulare"

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charge." -- Carl Reiner

[Tony Cooper]

On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 15:46:55 -0800, Snidely <snide...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Monday, bruce bowser murmurred ...
>> On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 9:07:38 AM UTC-5, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>> On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 4:41:00 AM UTC-5, Lewis wrote:
>>>> In message <2dab6f38-890f-4754...@googlegroups.com> bruce bowser
>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 8:11:12 PM UTC-5, Lewis wrote:
>>>>>> One of the new words that Merriam Webster has added to the dictionary
>>>>>> recently is the prepositional use of because. Regular readers may recall
>>>>>> I asked about this a couple of years back and gave the example of
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "because bacon"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (other words of note in this collection are superspreader, long covid,
>>>>>> vaccine passport, and fluffernutter.
>>>>> It is a conjunction, when 'because' is followed by a clause.
>>>> Feel free to ague with the people at M-W.
>>>
>>> Or consult a thread here from maybe ten years ago, when the
>>> usage started popping up among Californians and youngsters?
>>
>> What color paint where they huffing out in the central valley, back then?
>
>Probably off-white and beige, because there was a lot of new
>construction along the San Joaquin back just before 2008, and
>developers love those colors.
>

I thought "huffing" involves aerosol cans of paint, not what would be
used in construction.

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Tony Cooper Orlando Florida

[Sam Plusnet]

On 25-Jan-22 0:15, Tony Cooper wrote:

> I thought "huffing" involves aerosol cans of paint, not what would be
> used in construction.
>

Isn't huffing simply the obverse of puffing?

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[Peter Moylan]

Is a spray can needed when you're threatening to blow someone's house in?

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[Snidely]

Tony Cooper submitted this idea :

The flash point does vary slightly.

-d

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[Kerr-Mudd, John]

I've only 'heard' it on usenet, and typically it would be more like

I like breakfast because bacon.

> I wonder how old this case actually is in English. 2010?

[Ken Blake]

Ugh! I've never heard it before and I hope I never hear it again.

[lar3ryca]

Because hurts?

[Adam Funk]

Dunno, but it must be older than anyone who dislikes it thinks it is,
because recency illusion.


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Pentagon alongside the National Cemetery, but the subject seems at
least worthy of investigation. ---C Northcote Parkinson

[Kerr-Mudd, John]

I started to say something but words

(It's just laziness)

> > >
> > >> I wonder how old this case actually is in English. 2010?

[Sam Plusnet]

On 25-Jan-22 1:15, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 25/01/22 12:13, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>> On 25-Jan-22 0:15, Tony Cooper wrote:
>>
>>> I thought "huffing" involves aerosol cans of paint, not what would be
>>> used in construction.
>>>
>> Isn't huffing simply the obverse of puffing?
>
> Is a spray can needed when you're threatening to blow someone's house in?
>

That's destruction, not construction.

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[Sam Plusnet]

If you listed all the ingredients, you would get TL;DR.


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[lar3ryca]

Two h'eggs, side up what face de sun
Two strips bacon, parallel
an' a pair toas'

>
>
> --
> Sam Plusnet

[Lewis]

Yep, very common.

The most recent example in my Messages was from a friend who was trying
to decide if he was going to a birthday after-work gathering or not. I
was surprised he was considering going since he's been very careful
about gatherings in general, so I asked why he wanted to go and he
jokingly replied:

"Because cake?"

(the actual reason is he is rather new to the job and thought it would
be good if he socialized a tiny bit.)

Another exchange with a different friend was about the new Macbeth movie
which she was eager to see, "because Denzel" to which I responded :You
had me at Denzel." (that's a movie reference, BTW).

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SCYTHE.

[Lewis]

In message <1hYHJ.22554$uD6a...@fx07.ams1> Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:
> If you listed all the ingredients, you would get TL;DR.

There is a bill up in the US legislature, I'm not sure what its current
status is, but it is titled "TLDR" which is an effort to force terms of
service agreements to be written in a clear and readable way.



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[Ken Blake]

Common to you. I've never seen nor heard it.

[Sam Plusnet]

On 25-Jan-22 23:42, Lewis wrote:
> In message <1hYHJ.22554$uD6a...@fx07.ams1> Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:
>> If you listed all the ingredients, you would get TL;DR.
>
> There is a bill up in the US legislature, I'm not sure what its current
> status is, but it is titled "TLDR" which is an effort to force terms of
> service agreements to be written in a clear and readable way.

When I have gone through a few service agreement, T&Cs or whatever,
85%[1] on the text seems to be covering liability or acknowledging
points in various types of legislation and regulation.
Hence long elaborate text is not _entirely_ the fault of... whoever
wrote the thing.

[1] Important statistic, made up on the spot.


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Sam Plusnet

[Peter Moylan]

On 22/01/22 12:11, Lewis wrote:

> (other words of note in this collection are superspreader, long
> covid, vaccine passport, and fluffernutter.

That last word is new to me. Originally I read it as fluffemutter, which
sounded as if it might mean someone having kittens.

[Peter Moylan]

77.35% of all statistics are made up.

[Peter Moylan]

On 26/01/22 10:42, Lewis wrote:
> In message <1hYHJ.22554$uD6a...@fx07.ams1> Sam Plusnet
> <n...@home.com> wrote:

>> If you listed all the ingredients, you would get TL;DR.
>
> There is a bill up in the US legislature, I'm not sure what its
> current status is, but it is titled "TLDR" which is an effort to
> force terms of service agreements to be written in a clear and
> readable way.

My web site has a number of software items available for download. In
each case, I have used RTFM to label the link to where you can read the
documentation.

[Tony Cooper]

On Wed, 26 Jan 2022 12:03:49 +1100, Peter Moylan
<pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:

>On 22/01/22 12:11, Lewis wrote:
>
>> (other words of note in this collection are superspreader, long
>> covid, vaccine passport, and fluffernutter.
>
>That last word is new to me. Originally I read it as fluffemutter, which
>sounded as if it might mean someone having kittens.

A fluffernutter is a sandwich made with peanut butter and marshmallow
creme usually served on white bread. Marshmallow creme can be made at
home, or purchased by the jar.

I am one of those people who *do* like peanut butter, but combining it
with marshmallow creme, or "marshmallow fluff" as it is called by
some, is a vile waste of good peanut butter.

[Tony Cooper]

My research tells me you've made a rounding error.

[Lewis]

In message <j031vgp9kgqvt1ki5...@4ax.com> Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 23:39:34 -0000 (UTC), Lewis > <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>>In message <20220125111344.4e25...@127.0.0.1> Kerr-Mudd, John <ad...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>
>>>> > > > On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 8:11:12 PM UTC-5, Lewis wrote:
>>>> > > >> One of the new words that Merriam Webster has added to the dictionary
>>>> > > >> recently is the prepositional use of because. Regular readers may recall
>>>> > > >> I asked about this a couple of years back and gave the example of
>>>> > > >>
>>>> > > >> "because bacon"

>>> I like breakfast because bacon.
>>
>>Yep, very common.

> Common to you. I've never seen nor heard it.

It's been a subject of discussion on this newsgroup before, and
"because bacon" was the specific example.


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[Lewis]

In message <b381vg5mg0kfldb52...@4ax.com> Tony Cooper <tonyco...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Jan 2022 12:03:49 +1100, Peter Moylan
> <pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:

>>On 22/01/22 12:11, Lewis wrote:
>>
>>> (other words of note in this collection are superspreader, long
>>> covid, vaccine passport, and fluffernutter.
>>
>>That last word is new to me. Originally I read it as fluffemutter, which
>>sounded as if it might mean someone having kittens.

> A fluffernutter is a sandwich made with peanut butter and marshmallow
> creme usually served on white bread. Marshmallow creme can be made at
> home, or purchased by the jar.

A 'food' supposedly popular in New England.

> I am one of those people who *do* like peanut butter, but combining it
> with marshmallow creme, or "marshmallow fluff" as it is called by
> some, is a vile waste of good peanut butter.

I am not a particular fan of marshmallow cream/fluff at the best of
times, and have always despised the Wonder/Rainbo/Bimbo sandwich bread.
I also do not like peanut butter that contains anything but
peanuts and a touch of salt, so this sandwich is something I would
never eat, or taste.

It sounds like something only a 6yo would like.

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were singing about. --Lords and Ladies

[Peter T. Daniels]

FlufferNutter is, or probably was, a commercial product in a jar
combining swirls or columns of the two ingredients, so that Mom
didn't have to go to the trouble of buying two jars of spreads.

I like peanut butter. I like marshmallows (but since they're
nothing but aerated corn syrup, I can't have them any more;
ambrosia (salad) was one of the great inventions of the 1950s)
but would have no desire whatsoever to try "marshmallow fluff.".

[Kerr-Mudd, John]

Pshurely BLT is quick enough to read?

[bruce bowser]

Fully cooked bacon is great, because it makes preparing a meal so much easier. I don't see where cooking raw bacon would taste any different.

[Lewis]

What are you talking about?

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[Tak To]

On 1/24/2022 1:01 PM, Suzie Fitzgerald wrote:
> On Monday, 24 January 2022 at 16:12:00 UTC, Tak To wrote:

>> On 1/23/2022 12:16 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
>>> On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 8:11:12 PM UTC-5, Lewis wrote:
>>>> One of the new words that Merriam Webster has added to the dictionary
>>>> recently is the prepositional use of because. Regular readers may recall
>>>> I asked about this a couple of years back and gave the example of
>>>>
>>>> "because bacon"
>>>>

>>>> (other words of note in this collection are superspreader, long covid,
>>>> vaccine passport, and fluffernutter.
>>>
>>> It is a conjunction, when 'because' is followed by a clause.
>> <pedant mode>
>>
>> It is an adverb (conjunctive ~) when followed by a subordinating
>> (dependent) clause in a complex sentence.
>>

>> Conjunctions are words like 'and' and 'but', which joins
>> coordinated (independent) clauses to form a compound sentence.
>>
>> A conjunctive adverb can start a sentence. A conjunction
>> cannot.
>

> But it can. And frequently does.

<pedant mode> In sentence fragments, yes. </>

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[Sam Plusnet]

On 26-Jan-22 1:09, Peter Moylan wrote:

>> [1] Important statistic, made up on the spot.
>
> 77.35% of all statistics are made up.
>

I like to flatter myself that I nudged that up just a smidgen.

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[Tak To]

On 1/24/2022 1:58 PM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 11:12:00 AM UTC-5, Tak To wrote:
>> On 1/23/2022 12:16 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
>>> On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 8:11:12 PM UTC-5, Lewis wrote:
>
>>>> One of the new words that Merriam Webster has added to the dictionary
>>>> recently is the prepositional use of because. Regular readers may recall
>>>> I asked about this a couple of years back and gave the example of
>>>> "because bacon"
>>>> (other words of note in this collection are superspreader, long covid,
>>>> vaccine passport, and fluffernutter.
>>> It is a conjunction, when 'because' is followed by a clause.
>> <pedant mode>
>>
>> It is an adverb (conjunctive ~) when followed by a subordinating
>> (dependent) clause in a complex sentence.
>>
>> Conjunctions are words like 'and' and 'but', which joins
>> coordinated (independent) clauses to form a compound sentence.
>>
>> A conjunctive adverb can start a sentence. A conjunction
>> cannot.
>

> In the obsolete "theory" of grammar you are wedded to, there are
> coordinating conjunctions and subordinating conjunctions.

What good is a pedant for if he/she would accept just any
johnny-come-lately theories?

[bruce bowser]

On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 2:09:50 PM UTC-5, Tak To wrote:
> On 1/24/2022 1:58 PM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 11:12:00 AM UTC-5, Tak To wrote:
> >> On 1/23/2022 12:16 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
> >>> On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 8:11:12 PM UTC-5, Lewis wrote:
> >
> >>>> One of the new words that Merriam Webster has added to the dictionary
> >>>> recently is the prepositional use of because. Regular readers may recall
> >>>> I asked about this a couple of years back and gave the example of
> >>>> "because bacon"
> >>>> (other words of note in this collection are superspreader, long covid,
> >>>> vaccine passport, and fluffernutter.
> >>> It is a conjunction, when 'because' is followed by a clause.
> >> <pedant mode>
> >>
> >> It is an adverb (conjunctive ~) when followed by a subordinating
> >> (dependent) clause in a complex sentence.
> >>
> >> Conjunctions are words like 'and' and 'but', which joins
> >> coordinated (independent) clauses to form a compound sentence.
> >>
> >> A conjunctive adverb can start a sentence. A conjunction
> >> cannot.
> >
> > In the obsolete "theory" of grammar you are wedded to, there are
> > coordinating conjunctions and subordinating conjunctions.
>
> What good is a pedant for if he/she would accept just any
> johnny-come-lately theories?

What even is a pedant?
Pedant
noun
a person who is excessively concerned with minor details and rules or with displaying academic learning.
"the royal palace (some pedants would say the ex-royal palace"
(Oxford Languages)

1a : one who is unimaginative or who unduly emphasizes minutiae in the presentation or use of knowledge. b : one who makes a show of knowledge. c : a formalist or precisionist in teaching.
(Merriam-Webster(

[Suzie Fitzgerald]

On Wednesday, 26 January 2022 at 18:52:19 UTC, Tak To wrote:
> On 1/24/2022 1:01 PM, Suzie Fitzgerald wrote:
> > On Monday, 24 January 2022 at 16:12:00 UTC, Tak To wrote:
> >> On 1/23/2022 12:16 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
> >>> On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 8:11:12 PM UTC-5, Lewis wrote:
> >>>> One of the new words that Merriam Webster has added to the dictionary
> >>>> recently is the prepositional use of because. Regular readers may recall
> >>>> I asked about this a couple of years back and gave the example of
> >>>>
> >>>> "because bacon"
> >>>>
> >>>> (other words of note in this collection are superspreader, long covid,
> >>>> vaccine passport, and fluffernutter.
> >>>
> >>> It is a conjunction, when 'because' is followed by a clause.
> >> <pedant mode>
> >>
> >> It is an adverb (conjunctive ~) when followed by a subordinating
> >> (dependent) clause in a complex sentence.
> >>
> >> Conjunctions are words like 'and' and 'but', which joins
> >> coordinated (independent) clauses to form a compound sentence.
> >>
> >> A conjunctive adverb can start a sentence. A conjunction
> >> cannot.
> >
> > But it can. And frequently does.
>
> <pedant mode> In sentence fragments, yes. </>

<I really don't know why I'm bothering to do this and I will probably regret it mode> And suppose I were to disagree with that and assert that this is a complete sentence beginning with a conjunction? </>

[Jerry Friedman]

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 12:13:54 PM UTC-7, Suzie Fitzgerald wrote:
> On Wednesday, 26 January 2022 at 18:52:19 UTC, Tak To wrote:
> > On 1/24/2022 1:01 PM, Suzie Fitzgerald wrote:
> > > On Monday, 24 January 2022 at 16:12:00 UTC, Tak To wrote:
> > >> On 1/23/2022 12:16 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
> > >>> On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 8:11:12 PM UTC-5, Lewis wrote:
> > >>>> One of the new words that Merriam Webster has added to the dictionary
> > >>>> recently is the prepositional use of because. Regular readers may recall
> > >>>> I asked about this a couple of years back and gave the example of
> > >>>>
> > >>>> "because bacon"
> > >>>>
> > >>>> (other words of note in this collection are superspreader, long covid,
> > >>>> vaccine passport, and fluffernutter.
> > >>>
> > >>> It is a conjunction, when 'because' is followed by a clause.
> > >> <pedant mode>
> > >>
> > >> It is an adverb (conjunctive ~) when followed by a subordinating
> > >> (dependent) clause in a complex sentence.
> > >>
> > >> Conjunctions are words like 'and' and 'but', which joins
> > >> coordinated (independent) clauses to form a compound sentence.
> > >>
> > >> A conjunctive adverb can start a sentence. A conjunction
> > >> cannot.
> > >
> > > But it can. And frequently does.
> >
> > <pedant mode> In sentence fragments, yes. </>
> <I really don't know why I'm bothering to do this and I will probably regret it mode> And suppose I were to disagree with that and assert that this is a complete sentence beginning with a conjunction? </>

Some people would agree with you. Whether "because" in "because I said so"
is a "conjunctive adverb" or a "subordinating conjunction" or something else,
and whether "But it can" is a complete sentence or not, are just matters of
terminology.

--
Jerry Friedman

[Madhu]

* Jerry Friedman <7a01627b-cde4-4ce2-922e-98a15f669990n @googlegroups.com> :
Wrote on Thu, 27 Jan 2022 11:33:12 -0800 (PST):

> Some people would agree with you. Whether "because" in "because I
> said so" is a "conjunctive adverb" or a "subordinating conjunction" or
> something else, and whether "But it can" is a complete sentence or
> not, are just matters of terminology.

On the matter of frequency,

# total lines in my copy of the KJV
egrep '^[0-9]+:[0-9]+ ' * | wc -l => 31102

# number of lines beginning with "And"
egrep '^[0-9]+:[0-9]+ And' * | wc -l => 11609

That's 37.32% of all numbered verses that begin with And.

# number of lines beginning with "But"
egrep '^[0-9]+:[0-9]+ But' * | wc -l => 1456

That's 4.68% of all numbered verses

Now for "full sentences beginning with a capitalised word and ending
with a full stop"

# number the lines beginning with And and ending with a full stop.
egrep '^[0-9]+:[0-9]+ And.*\.$' * | wc -l => 9087

29.22% of all lines, 78% of all lines beginning with And.

# number the lines beginning with And and ending with a full stop.
egrep '^[0-9]+:[0-9]+ But.*\.' * | wc -l => 1178

3.78% of all lines, 80% of lines beginning with But.

The number of sentences begininng with Because and ending with a
fullstop: 83

Now a sentence is of the form "because A ; because B", I submit that it
automatically becomes complete ( because A and B support each other)

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 1:39:51 AM UTC-5, Madhu wrote:
> * Jerry Friedman <7a01627b-cde4-4ce2-922e-98a15f669990n @googlegroups.com> :
> Wrote on Thu, 27 Jan 2022 11:33:12 -0800 (PST):
> > Some people would agree with you. Whether "because" in "because I
> > said so" is a "conjunctive adverb" or a "subordinating conjunction" or
> > something else, and whether "But it can" is a complete sentence or
> > not, are just matters of terminology.
> On the matter of frequency,
>
> # total lines in my copy of the KJV
> egrep '^[0-9]+:[0-9]+ ' * | wc -l => 31102
>
> # number of lines beginning with "And"
> egrep '^[0-9]+:[0-9]+ And' * | wc -l => 11609
>
> That's 37.32% of all numbered verses that begin with And.
>
> # number of lines beginning with "But"
> egrep '^[0-9]+:[0-9]+ But' * | wc -l => 1456
>
> That's 4.68% of all numbered verses
>
> Now for "full sentences beginning with a capitalised word and ending
> with a full stop"
>
> # number the lines beginning with And and ending with a full stop.
> egrep '^[0-9]+:[0-9]+ And.*\.$' * | wc -l => 9087
>
> 29.22% of all lines, 78% of all lines beginning with And.

? Lines? Verses?

Hebrew does not have subordinating conjunctions. It uses parataxis, not
hypotaxis. KJV tried to translate literally, word by word, so "and" was used
wherever wa-(and allomorphs) appeared.

Modern versions represent the sense rather than the wording of the syntax.

> # number the lines beginning with And and ending with a full stop.
> egrep '^[0-9]+:[0-9]+ But.*\.' * | wc -l => 1178
>
> 3.78% of all lines, 80% of lines beginning with But.
>
> The number of sentences begininng with Because and ending with a
> fullstop: 83
>
> Now a sentence is of the form "because A ; because B", I submit that it
> automatically becomes complete ( because A and B support each other)

Any examples?

[Madhu]

* "Peter T. Daniels" <90e209aa-e5ad-4f00-9f1e-44975113a5c1n @googlegroups.com> :
Wrote on Tue, 1 Feb 2022 05:28:38 -0800 (PST):

> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 1:39:51 AM UTC-5, Madhu wrote:
>> On the matter of frequency,
>>
>> # total lines in my copy of the KJV
>> egrep '^[0-9]+:[0-9]+ ' * | wc -l => 31102
>> # number of lines beginning with "And"
>> egrep '^[0-9]+:[0-9]+ And' * | wc -l => 11609
>> That's 37.32% of all numbered verses that begin with And.
>> # number of lines beginning with "But"
>> egrep '^[0-9]+:[0-9]+ But' * | wc -l => 1456
>> That's 4.68% of all numbered verses
>> Now for "full sentences beginning with a capitalised word and ending
>> with a full stop"
>> # number the lines beginning with And and ending with a full stop.
>> egrep '^[0-9]+:[0-9]+ And.*\.$' * | wc -l => 9087
>> 29.22% of all lines, 78% of all lines beginning with And.
>
> ? Lines? Verses?

Ah yes the flaws of the primitive methodology. Each numbered verse is on
a single line, and the regex above is wrong because there are be
intervening sentences between the first word and the last fullstop.

> Hebrew does not have subordinating conjunctions. It uses parataxis,
> not hypotaxis. KJV tried to translate literally, word by word, so
> "and" was used wherever wa-(and allomorphs) appeared.
>
> Modern versions represent the sense rather than the wording of the
> syntax.
>
>> # number the lines beginning with And and ending with a full stop.
>> egrep '^[0-9]+:[0-9]+ But.*\.' * | wc -l => 1178
>> 3.78% of all lines, 80% of lines beginning with But.
>> The number of sentences begininng with Because and ending with a
>> fullstop: 83
>> Now a sentence is of the form "because A ; because B", I submit that it
>> automatically becomes complete ( because A and B support each other)
>
> Any examples?

That is harder. maybe these:

in these cause-cause could equally be cause-effect or effect-cause?

"because my flock became a prey, and my flock became meat to every beast
of the field, because there was no shepherd"

"Because ye have made your iniquity to be remembered, in that your
transgressions are discovered, so that in all your doings your sins do
appear; because, I say, that ye are come to remembrance, ye shall be
taken with the hand."

[Peter T. Daniels]

Did it not occur to you that some hint of where these verses are found
would be useful?

These are obviously not sentences in English but must be continued in the
following verse(s).

Are you aware that the chapter and verse numbers in Western Bibles
correspond to nothing in the Hebrew?

As late as ca. 700, there were no numbers in the earliest surviving
complete Vulgate.

http://www.katapi.org.uk/BibleMSS/Amiatinus.htm

(Anyway numerals hadn't been brought from India by the Arabs yet.)

(That plate says AD 750, but the Wikiparticle says it was presented
in Italy in 716.)

[Madhu]

* "Peter T. Daniels" <d3dd44a7-c692-4e82-8eb0-6d65fb066068n @googlegroups.com> :
Wrote on Tue, 1 Feb 2022 20:13:45 -0800 (PST):

1> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 8:53:52 PM UTC-5, Madhu wrote:
>> * "Peter T. Daniels" <90e209aa-e5ad-4f00-9f1e-44975113a5c1n
>> @googlegroups.com> :
>> Wrote on Tue, 1 Feb 2022 05:28:38 -0800 (PST):

>> That is harder. maybe these:
>> in these cause-cause could equally be cause-effect or effect-cause?
>>
>> "because my flock became a prey, and my flock became meat to every beast
>> of the field, because there was no shepherd"
>>
>> "Because ye have made your iniquity to be remembered, in that your
>> transgressions are discovered, so that in all your doings your sins do
>> appear; because, I say, that ye are come to remembrance, ye shall be
>> taken with the hand."
>
> Did it not occur to you that some hint of where these verses are found
> would be useful?
>
> These are obviously not sentences in English but must be continued in the
> following verse(s).

Because that might weaken my argument? Ezek.38:4, 21:24 (both are
prefixed by a "thus saith the lord" formula)

> Are you aware that the chapter and verse numbers in Western Bibles
> correspond to nothing in the Hebrew?

Yes I was aware that the numbering was a late invention but a good idea
and a much needed one. The masoretic text had the {P} and {S}
markers. At some point the hebrew bible adopted the English bible's
numbering scheme - with differences. I remember making a list of
differences that mapped the verse numbers from the KJV to the Jewish
Publication Society's bible but I can't find where I put it.

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 8:38:04 PM UTC-5, Madhu wrote:
> * "Peter T. Daniels" <d3dd44a7-c692-4e82-8eb0-6d65fb066068n @googlegroups.com> :
> Wrote on Tue, 1 Feb 2022 20:13:45 -0800 (PST):
> 1> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 8:53:52 PM UTC-5, Madhu wrote:
> >> * "Peter T. Daniels" <90e209aa-e5ad-4f00-9f1e-44975113a5c1n
> >> @googlegroups.com> :
> >> Wrote on Tue, 1 Feb 2022 05:28:38 -0800 (PST):
> >> That is harder. maybe these:
> >> in these cause-cause could equally be cause-effect or effect-cause?
> >>
> >> "because my flock became a prey, and my flock became meat to every beast
> >> of the field, because there was no shepherd"
> >>
> >> "Because ye have made your iniquity to be remembered, in that your
> >> transgressions are discovered, so that in all your doings your sins do
> >> appear; because, I say, that ye are come to remembrance, ye shall be
> >> taken with the hand."
> >
> > Did it not occur to you that some hint of where these verses are found
> > would be useful?
> >
> > These are obviously not sentences in English but must be continued in the
> > following verse(s).
>
> Because that might weaken my argument? Ezek.38:4, 21:24 (both are
> prefixed by a "thus saith the lord" formula)

What follows should complete the sentences.

The first ref. is wrong; and the second one has a perfectly normal ending:

24 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Because ye have made your iniquity

to be remembered, in that your transgressions are discovered, so that in all
your doings your sins do appear; because, I say, that ye are come to

remembrance, [that's why] ye shall be taken with the hand.

> > Are you aware that the chapter and verse numbers in Western Bibles
> > correspond to nothing in the Hebrew?
>
> Yes I was aware that the numbering was a late invention but a good idea
> and a much needed one. The masoretic text had the {P} and {S}
> markers. At some point the hebrew bible adopted the English bible's
> numbering scheme - with differences. I remember making a list of
> differences that mapped the verse numbers from the KJV to the Jewish
> Publication Society's bible but I can't find where I put it.

Any commentary gives both numberings.

[bruce bowser]

That's an odd request. OK, lets see: 'because Chivas Regal is there ; because ice is there, I submit that it automatically becomes complete (because 'Chivas Regal' and 'ice' support each other)'