What does "go to expert" mean?
xmllmx
Industry", however, I can't understand what the "go to expert" phrase
means. Who can tell me? Thanks in advance.
Oleg Lego
>On the web, I found a sentence "Become the Go To Expert in Your
>Industry", however, I can't understand what the "go to expert" phrase
>means. Who can tell me? Thanks in advance.
"go to" in this case means "the person to whom people will go for the
best result. It probably should be hyphenated.
"He's the go-to guy for computer problems."
Meaning: He's the best one to consult if you have a computer problem.
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xmllmx
Your interpretation confirms my previous guess.
Thank you very much for your quick response.
Peter Moylan
I'm disappointed.
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R H Draney
>
>On 28/12/07 16:53, Oleg Lego wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 21:40:30 -0800 (PST), xmllmx posted:
>>
>>> On the web, I found a sentence "Become the Go To Expert in Your
>>> Industry", however, I can't understand what the "go to expert"
>>> phrase means. Who can tell me? Thanks in advance.
>>
>> "go to" in this case means "the person to whom people will go for the
>> best result. It probably should be hyphenated.
>>
>> "He's the go-to guy for computer problems."
>>
>> Meaning: He's the best one to consult if you have a computer problem.
>>
>>
>So it's nothing to do with the famous "Go to considered harmful" letter?
>I'm disappointed.
I used to be considered *that* kind of "go to expert" in my office...I forced
myself to become so conversant with the transforms described by Böhm and
Jacopini that I could convert any code with go-tos into the structured
equivalent....r
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>>
>> Meaning: He's the best one to consult if you have a computer problem.
> So it's nothing to do with the famous "Go to considered harmful" letter?
Well, you could always go to Shigeki Goto, a professor of computer
science at Waseda University, and ask him.
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Toronto | the Goto. I use it. I use a revolver too, but
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My text in this article is in the public domain.
Peter Moylan
You've just reminded me of the time I spent days untangling some
spaghetti code originally written in Fortran, in an attempt to translate
it into a more readable version. After an epic struggle, I was able to
reduce it to two nested loops. (They weren't physically nested in the
original, which was a large part of the problem.) The outer loop was
executed exactly once. The inner loop, which contained most of the code,
was never executed at all.
The original author of the code was amazed. He'd had no idea that that's
what his program did.
Steve Hayes
The person that people always "go to" for advice?
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Richard Maurer
On the web, I found a sentence
"Become the Go To Expert in Your Industry",
however, I can't understand what the "go to expert"
phrase means.
I am pretty sure that the phrase comes from basketball.
The "go to guy" is the player that can get off a decent
shot despite a ferocious defense, and do it quickly.
If more time were available, the team could pass the ball
around and set picks until someone got an open shot.
When there are only 7 seconds left in the game, the team
is behind by one point and about to inbound the ball,
they will have designed a way to get the ball to their
"go to guy". Michael Jordan was a "go to guy".
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Sunnyvale, California of a homonym of a synonym for also.
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robert...@my-deja.com
> I can't understand what the "go to expert" phrase
> means. Who can tell me? Thanks in advance.
It is marketing speak for someone who people turn to for informal
advice or training. The idea has arisen that computer knowledge can
be diffused across an organisation from user to user without the
employer putting in any resources for proper training.
In the engineering industry this was known as "sitting with Nelly",
harking back to the way young girls in cotton mills were taught the
manual processes by an older worker. While "Sitting with Nelly" was a
phrase heavy with condemnation at the slack and penny-pinching ways of
employers, people who use Power Point to talk to managers have
attempted to make the "Go-To Expert" a measure of good practice. In
my opinion both are the same thing and both are equally inefficient.
Slack, even.
Peter Moylan
> On 28 Dec, 05:40, xmllmx <xml...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I can't understand what the "go to expert" phrase means. Who can
>> tell me? Thanks in advance.
>
> It is marketing speak for someone who people turn to for informal
> advice or training. The idea has arisen that computer knowledge can
> be diffused across an organisation from user to user without the
> employer putting in any resources for proper training.
Ah, now I know who you mean. The person who does all the work because
he's the only one in the group who has a clue what to do.
In my experience, that's the person most likely to be offered a better
job elsewhere. Once the go to guy is gone, the organisation is on its
way down the gurgler.
Pat Durkin
"xmllmx" <xml...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:baaa815b-8f67-46f4...@b40g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On the web, I found a sentence "Become the Go To Expert in Your
> Industry", however, I can't understand what the "go to expert" phrase
> means. Who can tell me? Thanks in advance.
I associate it with computer programming.
A "go to (line such-and-such)" command was a way of skipping or
branching to exit from a loop routine, either to "go to" another loop or
to proceed through the program to an end of sorts.
I think it was almost always paired with "if" as in "if a certain
situation or count exists, then 'go to' else. . ."
tinwhistler
Yes. Ben Zimmer found a 1985 support for that etymology; read the
excerpt from his posting at ADS-L below:
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:35:07 -0400
From: Benjamin Zimmer
Subject: Re: "go-to"
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:06:44 -0400, Jesse Sheidlower <[log in to
unmask]> wrote: >We seem not to have directly discussed "go-to" (e.g.
>"go-to guy") here before, though it's come up in >passing. William
Safire's new researcher was asking >about it. I can find 1985 in a
basketball context, >but before that all I get are false hits or
misdated >newspaperarchive articles, with nothing in some >1970s-early
1980s basketball books I've checked.
I don't see anything pre-1985 in the databases, though it's worth
checking for "go-to man" in addition to "go-to guy"... -----
Washington Post, April 4, 1985, p. B1 (Nexis) "In a close game, we
knew who to go to," said Wood. "When a game gets tough, you don't have
to tell one guy to shoot and another guy not to shoot. They go to the
person who gets the job done, and on our team Sherman was that
person." "The go-to man," Burrell calls Douglas.
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Aloha ~~~ Ozzie Maland ~~~ San Diego
robert...@my-deja.com
> A "go to (line such-and-such)" command was a way of skipping or
> branching to exit from a loop routine, either to "go to" another loop or
> to proceed through the program to an end of sorts.
Back in the late 80s I saw a magazine article which attempted to spoof
the world into believing in a programming language that included a
"Come From" verb.
Nick Spalding
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on Sat, 29 Dec 2007 09:25:27 -0800 (PST):
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INTERCAL_programming_language>
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BrE/IrE
Oleg Lego
posted:
What spoof? Let's hear it for INTERCAL.
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CDB
[go to a go go]
> Ah, now I know who you mean. The person who does all the work
> because he's the only one in the group who has a clue what to do.
>
> In my experience, that's the person most likely to be offered a
> better job elsewhere. Once the go to guy is gone, the organisation
> is on its way down the gurgler.
"Go to, go to; you have known what you should not."
John Kane
wrote:
> On 29/12/07 20:38, roberthar...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> > On 28 Dec, 05:40, xmllmx <xml...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I can't understand what the "go to expert" phrase means. Who can
> >> tell me? Thanks in advance.
>
> > It is marketing speak for someone who people turn to for informal
> > advice or training. The idea has arisen that computer knowledge can
> > be diffused across an organisation from user to user without the
> > employer putting in any resources for proper training.
>
> Ah, now I know who you mean. The person who does all the work because
> he's the only one in the group who has a clue what to do.
>
> In my experience, that's the person most likely to be offered a better
> job elsewhere. Once the go to guy is gone, the organisation is on its
> way down the gurgler.
I may be out of date on this could teh "go to expert" also be what is
known in some of the sociology or social psych areas as a gatekeeper?
John Kane, Kingston ON Canada
Richard Bollard
<pe...@DIESPAMMERSDIEpmoylan.org> wrote:
>On 29/12/07 20:38, robert...@my-deja.com wrote:
>> On 28 Dec, 05:40, xmllmx <xml...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I can't understand what the "go to expert" phrase means. Who can
>>> tell me? Thanks in advance.
>>
>> It is marketing speak for someone who people turn to for informal
>> advice or training. The idea has arisen that computer knowledge can
>> be diffused across an organisation from user to user without the
>> employer putting in any resources for proper training.
>
>Ah, now I know who you mean. The person who does all the work because
>he's the only one in the group who has a clue what to do.
>
>In my experience, that's the person most likely to be offered a better
>job elsewhere. Once the go to guy is gone, the organisation is on its
>way down the gurgler.
Or if it's a girl, someone says "you go girl" once too often.
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Richard Bollard
Canberra Australia
To email, I'm at AMT not spAMT.
Richard Maurer
Structured companies consider it harmful to pay their
goto experts what they are worth.
Peter Moylan
> Maybe Peter will like this one:
>
> Structured companies consider it harmful to pay their goto experts
> what they are worth.
Thank you. In return, a true story that you might or might not have
heard before.
Niklaus Wirth used to say "In Europe people call me by name. In American
they call me by value."
Mark Brader
> Niklaus Wirth used to say "In Europe people call me by name. In
> American they call me by value."
Conversely, Willy Ley was once asked if his first name should be
pronounced "Veely" as in German or "Willy" as in English. And he
replied in his thick German accent, "Veely or Veely, it makes no
deeferents."
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m...@vex.net | look at it for hours." -- Jerome K. Jerome
Robin Bignall
<pe...@DIESPAMMERSDIEpmoylan.org> wrote:
>On 29/12/07 20:38, robert...@my-deja.com wrote:
>> On 28 Dec, 05:40, xmllmx <xml...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I can't understand what the "go to expert" phrase means. Who can
>>> tell me? Thanks in advance.
>>
>> It is marketing speak for someone who people turn to for informal
>> advice or training. The idea has arisen that computer knowledge can
>> be diffused across an organisation from user to user without the
>> employer putting in any resources for proper training.
>
>Ah, now I know who you mean. The person who does all the work because
>he's the only one in the group who has a clue what to do.
>
>In my experience, that's the person most likely to be offered a better
>job elsewhere. Once the go to guy is gone, the organisation is on its
>way down the gurgler.
Back in the late 1960s, computer salesmen - oops, sales persons -
used to try to peddle the line that the 'go to' guy, with his
little black book and secretive manner, was actually a menace
because when he was on holiday or sick nobody knew what to do.
"Replace him with a computer", they used to say, "and everybody
will have all that knowledge and experience at their fingertips".
And for my next joke...
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Robin Bignall (BrE)
Herts, England
franzi
> Peter Moylan writes:
> > Niklaus Wirth used to say "In Europe people call me by name. In
> > American they call me by value."
>
> Conversely, Willy Ley was once asked if his first name should be
> pronounced "Veely" as in German or "Willy" as in English. And he
> replied in his thick German accent, "Veely or Veely, it makes no
> deeferents."
I prefer Veeli. (Ve are all Veelis in my Family. Is whatfor ve are
so numerous.)
--
franzi
Peter Moylan
> Back in the late 1960s, computer salesmen - oops, sales persons -
> used to try to peddle the line that the 'go to' guy, with his little
> black book and secretive manner, was actually a menace because when
> he was on holiday or sick nobody knew what to do. "Replace him with a
> computer", they used to say, "and everybody will have all that
> knowledge and experience at their fingertips". And for my next
> joke...
That's precisely the reason people started to work on so-called "expert
systems". Find the people who know the answers, and put the product of
all their learning and experience into a look-up table, preferably no
more than three lines long. I haven't checked lately to see whether that
research produced any results. (Yes, I know about Prolog. I mean
practical and useful results.)
Once I had - possibly still have - a knowledge-base program on one of my
computers that was supposed to help me diagnose any problems with my
computer system. (IBM used to be keen on that sort of thing.) I tried to
use it a few times, but it always led me down a path that had nothing to
do with the original problem, and then got in a loop where it was asking
me the same irrelevant questions over and over again. Apparently it
takes a genuine human to know that typing in the manufacturer of my
monitor is not getting me any closer to knowing what printer driver I
have to install.
Father Ignatius
> Apparently it takes a
> genuine human to know that typing in the manufacturer of
> my monitor is not getting me any closer to knowing what
> printer driver I have to install.
Had you considered looking at the front of your printer?
--
Nat
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