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What "...meal" is the opposite of "piecemeal"?

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Harrison Hill

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Aug 2, 2012, 8:54:53 AM8/2/12
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I like to try to keep Chaucer's words alive: "delivernesse" for
example. He had a single word ending in "...meal" that is the exact
opposite of "piecemeal" - anyone think they can remember it or Google
it?

"Grete thinges ne been nat ay accompliced by strengthe, ne by
delivernesse of body, but by good conseil, by auctoritee of persones,
and by science; the whiche three thinges ne been nat feble by age, but
certes they enforcen and encreesen day by day".

delivernesse = dexterity.

James Hogg

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Aug 2, 2012, 9:42:06 AM8/2/12
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Harrison Hill wrote:
> I like to try to keep Chaucer's words alive: "delivernesse" for
> example. He had a single word ending in "...meal" that is the exact
> opposite of "piecemeal" - anyone think they can remember it or Google
> it?

Wholemeal?

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James

James Hogg

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Aug 2, 2012, 10:11:06 AM8/2/12
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The serious answer is "flockmeal", as used in "The Clerkes Tale" (but
not quoted in the OED).

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James

Adam Funk

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Aug 2, 2012, 10:54:26 AM8/2/12
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Miller's Tale, eh?


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Nam Sibbyllam quidem Cumis ego ipse oculis meis vidi in ampulla
pendere, et cum illi pueri dicerent: beable beable beable; respondebat
illa: doidy doidy doidy. [plorkwort]

Harrison Hill

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Aug 2, 2012, 2:41:13 PM8/2/12
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Thank you James. A lovely word "flockmeal" and I wonder whyever it was
allowed to die out?

Paul Wolff

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Aug 2, 2012, 3:29:43 PM8/2/12
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Harrison Hill <harrison...@gmail.com> writes
Unfortunately, the minutes of that critical meeting of The Committee
have long been lost.
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Harrison Hill

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Aug 2, 2012, 3:41:16 PM8/2/12
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On Aug 2, 8:29 pm, Paul Wolff <bounc...@two.wolff.co.uk> wrote:
> In message
> <99e0f119-044c-41b6-8098-19a179223...@w14g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>,
> Harrison Hill <harrisonhill2...@gmail.com> writes
>
> >On Aug 2, 3:11 pm, James Hogg <Jas.H...@gOUTmail.com> wrote:
> >> James Hogg wrote:
> >> > Harrison Hill wrote:
> >> >> I like to try to keep Chaucer's words alive: "delivernesse" for
> >> >> example. He had a single word ending in "...meal" that is the exact
> >> >> opposite of "piecemeal" - anyone think they can remember it or Google
> >> >> it?
>
> >> > Wholemeal?
>
> >> The serious answer is "flockmeal", as used in "The Clerkes Tale" (but
> >> not quoted in the OED).
>
> >Thank you James. A lovely word "flockmeal" and I wonder whyever it was
> >allowed to die out?
>
> Unfortunately, the minutes of that critical meeting of The Committee
> have long been lost.

If DHL announced: "We have the deliverness to get your parcel
through!" the committee would reconvene!

Robin Bignall

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Aug 2, 2012, 7:04:15 PM8/2/12
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I think, for reasons of security, meetings of The Committee are recorded
on A-Team tape.
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Robin Bignall
(BrE)
Herts, England

fabzorba

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Aug 3, 2012, 12:17:59 AM8/3/12
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It might get our own estimations of th e net into perspective if we
note that of the "40 dictionaries" of OneLook, only ONE, that is the
world leader "Wordnik", gives us definitions of "flockmeal". The
others do not recognize it, none of them.

myles [what gives?] paulsen

CDB

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Aug 3, 2012, 7:49:20 AM8/3/12
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It had a longish run. I was going to be self-indulgent and bring up
my favourite year from the A-S Chronicle again (1011, if you ever
want to look it up), but when I went looking for the line from
Chaucer
I found this lovely episode from the group's past (2005), snapped up
and mounted by some admirer:

http://www.vocaboly.com/forums/ftopic6736.html

Ah, what fun they had. I miss rbaniste. And Linz.

Whiskers

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Aug 3, 2012, 9:40:22 AM8/3/12
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I'm not sure that 'piecemeal' has a precise opposite in a single word.

<http://allpoetry.com/poem/8439391-The_Canterbury_Tales__THE_CLERKES_TALE__a_-by-Geoffrey_Chaucer>

I blame hym thus, that he considereth noght
In tyme comynge what hym myghte bityde,
But in his lust present was al his thoght,
As for to hauke and hunte on every syde.
Wel ny alle othere cures leet he slyde;
And eek he nolde,-and that was worst of alle-
Wedde no wyf, for noght that may bifalle.

Oonly that point his peple bar so soore,
That flokmeele on a day they to hym wente,
And oon of hem, that wisest was of loore,
Or elles that the lord best wolde assente,
That he sholde telle hym what his peple mente,
Or elles koude he shewe wel swich mateere,
He to the markys seyde as ye shul heere:

Chaucer seems to use 'flockmeal' in the sense defined here:

flock-meal, by companies or troops (of persons), rarely by groups or
heaps (of things)

[...]

piecemeal, one part or piece at a time, in separate pieces, by
degrees, little by little

<http://laudatortemporisacti.blogspot.co.uk/2008/09/flockmeal-etc.html>

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-- Whiskers
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Paul Wolff

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Aug 3, 2012, 5:56:28 PM8/3/12
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In message <slrnk1nl79.g...@ID-107770.user.individual.net>,
Whiskers <catwh...@operamail.com> writes
There's just time to throw in 'inchmeal' of this mealy-mouthed family.

Frederick Farrar's noble book was to be entitled 'Eric, or inchmeal'
until wiser counsels prevailed.

That statement is not illegal either in England or in orbit, as far as I
know.
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Paul

Robert Bannister

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Aug 3, 2012, 9:17:29 PM8/3/12
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On 3/08/12 7:49 PM, CDB wrote:

> Ah, what fun they had. I miss rbaniste. And Linz.

Both contributors of great value. Sara Lorimer too.



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Robert Bannister

Nick Spalding

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Aug 4, 2012, 5:42:36 AM8/4/12
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Robert Bannister wrote, in <a83bhb...@mid.individual.net>
on Sat, 04 Aug 2012 09:17:29 +0800:

>On 3/08/12 7:49 PM, CDB wrote:
>
>> Ah, what fun they had. I miss rbaniste. And Linz.
>
>Both contributors of great value. Sara Lorimer too.

She still looks in occasionally, most recently on 2nd July in the "24
hour time" thread.
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Nick Spalding
BrE/IrE

CDB

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Aug 4, 2012, 5:46:40 AM8/4/12
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On Aug 3, 5:56 pm, Paul Wolff <bounc...@two.wolff.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <slrnk1nl79.gf.catwhee...@ID-107770.user.individual.net>,
> Whiskers <catwhee...@operamail.com> writes
"Worlds of wanwood leafmeal lie", at least partly. Hopkins points
out
the basic sense of "meal", as in "oat-", quite nicely. I'll take the
idiocrats on oafmeal, Tom said fuelishly.

I typed "wolds", which would have done too.
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