Re: canter or lope

[Peter Moylan]

On 14/03/22 23:03, Steve Hayes wrote:
> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>
> Would it seem strange to read of a leopard cantering down a hill?
>
> I thought it was a gait that could be seen in many quadrupeds,
> especially those with fairly long legs -- going quite fast, but not in
> a great hurry.
>
> If you think it seems too strange, what other word would you use?

Cantaloupe.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

[Janet]

In article <afbu2hdp7u6cmo8ou...@4ax.com>,
haye...@telkomsa.net says...

>
> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>
> Would it seem strange to read of a leopard cantering down a hill?

You're overlooking the huge variation in animal physiology between
different species.

For example, horses don't have the feet, musculature, hearing,
eyesight or dentition of leopards nor can they climb trees.

Leopards don't share the anatomy, digestive system, diet or neurology
of horses. Or sheep, rabbits and frogs.

Janet

[lar3ryca]

On 2022-03-14 06:30, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 14/03/22 23:03, Steve Hayes wrote:
>> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>>
>> Would it seem strange to read of a leopard cantering down a hill?
>>
>> I thought it was a gait that could be seen in many quadrupeds,
>> especially those with fairly long legs -- going quite fast, but not in
>> a great hurry.
>>
>> If you think it seems too strange, what other word would you use?
>
> Cantaloupe.

Can't elope.

[lar3ryca]

On 2022-03-14 06:30, Peter Moylan wrote:

> On 14/03/22 23:03, Steve Hayes wrote:
>> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>>
>> Would it seem strange to read of a leopard cantering down a hill?
>>
>> I thought it was a gait that could be seen in many quadrupeds,
>> especially those with fairly long legs -- going quite fast, but not in
>> a great hurry.
>>
>> If you think it seems too strange, what other word would you use?
>
> Cantaloupe.

Can't elope.

[lar3ryca]

On 2022-03-14 06:30, Peter Moylan wrote:

> On 14/03/22 23:03, Steve Hayes wrote:
>> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>>
>> Would it seem strange to read of a leopard cantering down a hill?
>>
>> I thought it was a gait that could be seen in many quadrupeds,
>> especially those with fairly long legs -- going quite fast, but not in
>> a great hurry.
>>
>> If you think it seems too strange, what other word would you use?
>
> Cantaloupe.

Can't elope.

Cantle ope.

[Jerry Friedman]

On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 7:31:13 AM UTC-6, Janet wrote:
> In article <afbu2hdp7u6cmo8ou...@4ax.com>,
> haye...@telkomsa.net says...
> >
> > Can animals other than horses canter or lope?

Certainly, but are those words used?

This video shows the difference between cantering and galloping for dogs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSHb98-C8V4

> > Would it seem strange to read of a leopard cantering down a hill?

Not to me, but it might depend on your readership. Is this for a children's
book by any chance?

But I don't know whether a leopard would really do that, and if so,
under what circumstances.

> You're overlooking the huge variation in animal physiology between
> different species.
>
> For example, horses don't have the feet, musculature, hearing,
> eyesight or dentition of leopards nor can they climb trees.
>
> Leopards don't share the anatomy, digestive system, diet or neurology
> of horses. Or sheep, rabbits and frogs.

Despite all that, leopards can walk, trot, and gallop much like horses, so
there's no reason to think Steve overlooked the differences, and your
points don't answer his question.

--
Jerry Friedman

[HVS]

On 14 Mar 2022, Steve Hayes wrote

> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>

> Would it seem strange to read of a leopard cantering down a hill?

Not impossibly strange, but I think I'd assume it was describing an
unusual gait for a leopard -- that it looked more like a cantering
horse than a big cat.

--
Cheers,
Harvey

[Ken Blake]

On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 23:30:35 +1100, Peter Moylan
<pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:

>On 14/03/22 23:03, Steve Hayes wrote:
>> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>>
>> Would it seem strange to read of a leopard cantering down a hill?
>>
>> I thought it was a gait that could be seen in many quadrupeds,
>> especially those with fairly long legs -- going quite fast, but not in
>> a great hurry.
>>
>> If you think it seems too strange, what other word would you use?
>
>Cantaloupe.

I know we canteloup but honey dew be mine

--
The real, original Ken Blake, not some other newcomer

[Lewis]

In message <afbu2hdp7u6cmo8ou...@4ax.com> Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?

Do horses lope? I don't think I've heard that. Walk, Trot, Canter, and
Gallop; of these, canter seems to be somwehat tied to horses.

> Would it seem strange to read of a leopard cantering down a hill?

I would take a seond look, certainly. A leopard does not move in a way
that I would ever call a canter.

"a pace of a horse or other quadruped between a trot and a gallop, with
not less than one foot on the ground at any time: I rode away at a
canter."

I don't think leopards trot either.

"(with reference to a horse or other four-legged animal) proceed or
cause to proceed at a pace faster than a walk, lifting each diagonal
pair of legs alternately"

> I thought it was a gait that could be seen in many quadrupeds,
> especially those with fairly long legs -- going quite fast, but not in
> a great hurry.

As you can see, trot and canter describe very specific movements, and
while some other quadrupeds may trot and canter, I don't think leopards
do (or any felines). A dog will trot (dogtrot), but we don't tend to
call it that very much outside of some regions.

> If you think it seems too strange, what other word would you use?

Words associated with feline movement tend to stay away for sounds like
't' or 'k'. Felines are either described with words that have a 'sneaky'
connotation, or a 'quick' one. Pounce, prowl, stalk, etc.



--
Today the road all runners come/Shoulder high we bring you home. And
set you at your threshold down/Townsman of a stiller town.

[Jerry Friedman]

The version I learned as a child was

I can't elope!

Oh, please, honeydew, we'll make a peach of a pear.

--
Jerry Friedman

[Jerry Friedman]

On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 10:45:42 AM UTC-6, Lewis wrote:
> In message <afbu2hdp7u6cmo8ou...@4ax.com> Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> > Can animals other than horses canter or lope?

> Do horses lope? I don't think I've heard that.

I'd say the main meaning of "lope" is that it's the word for "canter", applied
to horses, in the western U.S. and maybe western Canada.

> Walk, Trot, Canter, and
> Gallop; of these, canter seems to be somwehat tied to horses.
> > Would it seem strange to read of a leopard cantering down a hill?

> I would take a seond look, certainly. A leopard does not move in a way
> that I would ever call a canter.
>
> "a pace of a horse or other quadruped between a trot and a gallop, with
> not less than one foot on the ground at any time: I rode away at a
> canter."

Whether leopards do that I don't know.

> I don't think leopards trot either.

They do, as seen here at about 1:06.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTLptE3NDsk

> "(with reference to a horse or other four-legged animal) proceed or
> cause to proceed at a pace faster than a walk, lifting each diagonal
> pair of legs alternately"

> > I thought it was a gait that could be seen in many quadrupeds,
> > especially those with fairly long legs -- going quite fast, but not in
> > a great hurry.

> As you can see, trot and canter describe very specific movements, and
> while some other quadrupeds may trot and canter, I don't think leopards
> do (or any felines). A dog will trot (dogtrot), but we don't tend to
> call it that very much outside of some regions.

...

Domestic cats trot a lot.

--
Jerry Friedman

[Ken Blake]

For what it's worth, I cut and pasted from
https://mexkitchen.blogspot.com/2011/08/when-its-cherry-blossom-time-in-orange.html

I'm not sure which version is original.

[Ken Blake]

On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 16:45:36 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
<g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

>In message <afbu2hdp7u6cmo8ou...@4ax.com> Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>
>Do horses lope? I don't think I've heard that. Walk, Trot, Canter, and
>Gallop; of these, canter seems to be somwehat tied to horses.

Especially to Jewish horses.

[lar3ryca]

On 2022-03-14 11:01, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 10:45:42 AM UTC-6, Lewis wrote:
>> Do horses lope? I don't think I've heard that.
>
> I'd say the main meaning of "lope" is that it's the word for "canter", applied
> to horses, in the western U.S. and maybe western Canada.

Canter and lope are synonymous to this western Canadian who has about 15
years experience with horses.

MW says "an easy natural gait of a horse resembling a canter', and
WordNet describes it as "a smooth 3-beat gait; between a trot and a
gallop", which is exactly what a canter is.

[Richard Heathfield]

If they can find a big enough horse, they might well share its
anatomy... with their mate and cubs.

--
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

[charles]

I dIn article <rbtu2h9noo6nffhf1...@4ax.com>,

Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 16:45:36 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
> <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

> >In message <afbu2hdp7u6cmo8ou...@4ax.com> Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> >> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
> >
> >Do horses lope? I don't think I've heard that. Walk, Trot, Canter, and
> >Gallop; of these, canter seems to be somwehat tied to horses.


> Especially to Jewish horses.

I didn't know horses practiced religion.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

[Bebercito]

Le lundi 14 mars 2022 à 18:32:47 UTC+1, charles a écrit :
> I dIn article <rbtu2h9noo6nffhf1...@4ax.com>,
> Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 16:45:36 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
> > <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>
> > >In message <afbu2hdp7u6cmo8ou...@4ax.com> Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> > >> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
> > >
> > >Do horses lope? I don't think I've heard that. Walk, Trot, Canter, and
> > >Gallop; of these, canter seems to be somwehat tied to horses.
>
>
> > Especially to Jewish horses.
> I didn't know horses practiced religion.

But a cantor sings Jewish religious songs.

[charles]

In article <d6439ef5-cdf2-4253...@googlegroups.com>,

Bebercito <bebe...@aol.com> wrote:
> Le lundi 14 mars 2022 à 18:32:47 UTC+1, charles a écrit :
> > I dIn article <rbtu2h9noo6nffhf1...@4ax.com>,
> > Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com> wrote:
> > > On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 16:45:36 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
> > > <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
> >
> > > >In message <afbu2hdp7u6cmo8ou...@4ax.com> Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> > > >> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
> > > >
> > > >Do horses lope? I don't think I've heard that. Walk, Trot, Canter, and
> > > >Gallop; of these, canter seems to be somwehat tied to horses.
> >
> >
> > > Especially to Jewish horses.
> > I didn't know horses practiced religion.

> But a cantor sings Jewish religious songs.
>

You don't need to be Jewsih ro be a cantor.

[CDB]

On 3/14/2022 12:52 PM, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> Ken Blake wrote:

>> Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>>> Steve Hayes wrote:

>>>> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?

Humans can lope.

>>>> Would it seem strange to read of a leopard cantering down a
>>>> hill?

>>>> I thought it was a gait that could be seen in many quadrupeds,
>>>> especially those with fairly long legs -- going quite fast, but
>>>> not in a great hurry.

>>>> If you think it seems too strange, what other word would you
>>>> use?

>>> Cantaloupe.

>> I know we canteloup but honey dew be mine

> The version I learned as a child was

> I can't elope!

> Oh, please, honeydew, we'll make a peach of a pear.

When and where?

https://youtu.be/54r75MVXi1o?t=106

My parents had that on a record album WIWAK.

[CDB]

On 3/14/2022 1:42 PM, Bebercito wrote:
> charles a écrit :

>> Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>>> Lewis <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

>>>> In message <afbu2hdp7u6cmo8ou...@4ax.com> Steve Hayes
>>>> <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>>>> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?

>>>> Do horses lope? I don't think I've heard that. Walk, Trot,
>>>> Canter, and Gallop; of these, canter seems to be somwehat tied
>>>> to horses.

>>> Especially to Jewish horses.
>> I didn't know horses practiced religion.

> But a cantor sings Jewish religious songs.

>> -- from KT24 in Surrey, England "I'd rather die of exhaustion than
>> die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

A cantor is a chanter, from "canere"; a singer would be a cantator.

It's true they get mixed up. Arms and the man I sing.

[Peter T. Daniels]

Which would be one step earlier than if you'd said WIWAL?

[Lewis]

In message <rbtu2h9noo6nffhf1...@4ax.com> Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 16:45:36 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
> <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

>>In message <afbu2hdp7u6cmo8ou...@4ax.com> Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>>
>>Do horses lope? I don't think I've heard that. Walk, Trot, Canter, and
>>Gallop; of these, canter seems to be somwehat tied to horses.


> Especially to Jewish horses.

I've never seen a circumcised horse.


--
"Are you pondering what I'm pondering?"
"I think so, Brain. But would the villains really have gotten away
with it, if it weren't for those pesky kids and their dog?"

[CDB]

On 3/14/2022 2:38 PM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> CDB wrote:
>> Jerry Friedman wrote:

>>> The version I learned as a child was

>>> I can't elope! Oh, please, honeydew, we'll make a peach of a
>>> pear.
>> When and where?

>> https://youtu.be/54r75MVXi1o?t=106

>> My parents had that on a record album WIWAK.

> Which would be one step earlier than if you'd said WIWAL?

Perhaps. The word I would have used at ten or eleven years started with
"K". A long time before that (as it seemed to me) I was a "B", which
fits into your plan, but inbetween-times I was a "T" or a different
"T"*, and they don't.

*Sometimes an "LB", which was unkind to my mother, and untrue anyway.

[Sam Plusnet]

On 14-Mar-22 12:30, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 14/03/22 23:03, Steve Hayes wrote:
>> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>>
>> Would it seem strange to read of a leopard cantering down a hill?
>>
>> I thought it was a gait that could be seen in many quadrupeds,
>> especially those with fairly long legs -- going quite fast, but not in
>> a great hurry.
>>
>> If you think it seems too strange, what other word would you use?
>
> Cantaloupe.
>

The point of transition from one gait to the other.

--
Sam Plusnet

[Sam Plusnet]

The attitude of the human observer who is choosing the words comes into
this.
Seeing a horse canter or lope towards you, will evoke one set of feelings.
Having a leopard head towards you would be a quite different experience.

--
Sam Plusnet

[Sam Plusnet]

On 14-Mar-22 17:28, charles wrote:
> I dIn article <rbtu2h9noo6nffhf1...@4ax.com>,
> Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 16:45:36 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
>> <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>>> In message <afbu2hdp7u6cmo8ou...@4ax.com> Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>>> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>>>
>>> Do horses lope? I don't think I've heard that. Walk, Trot, Canter, and
>>> Gallop; of these, canter seems to be somwehat tied to horses.
>
>
>> Especially to Jewish horses.
>
> I didn't know horses practiced religion.

They don't need to practise.


--
Sam Plusnet

[Bebercito]

Le lundi 14 mars 2022 à 19:12:26 UTC+1, charles a écrit :
> In article <d6439ef5-cdf2-4253...@googlegroups.com>,
> Bebercito <bebe...@aol.com> wrote:
> > Le lundi 14 mars 2022 à 18:32:47 UTC+1, charles a écrit :
> > > I dIn article <rbtu2h9noo6nffhf1...@4ax.com>,
> > > Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com> wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 16:45:36 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
> > > > <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
> > >
> > > > >In message <afbu2hdp7u6cmo8ou...@4ax.com> Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> > > > >> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
> > > > >
> > > > >Do horses lope? I don't think I've heard that. Walk, Trot, Canter, and
> > > > >Gallop; of these, canter seems to be somwehat tied to horses.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Especially to Jewish horses.
> > > I didn't know horses practiced religion.
>
> > But a cantor sings Jewish religious songs.
> >
> You don't need to be Jewsih ro be a cantor.

Indeed, but I thought the term was now most often used to
refer to the person who sings or chants in a synagogue, i.e.
a ha(z)zan.

[charles]

In article <018f3db0-7b6e-47dc...@googlegroups.com>,

Bebercito <bebe...@aol.com> wrote:
> Le lundi 14 mars 2022 à 19:12:26 UTC+1, charles a écrit :
> > In article <d6439ef5-cdf2-4253...@googlegroups.com>,
> > Bebercito <bebe...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > Le lundi 14 mars 2022 à 18:32:47 UTC+1, charles a écrit :
> > > > I dIn article <rbtu2h9noo6nffhf1...@4ax.com>,
> > > > Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 16:45:36 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
> > > > > <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > >In message <afbu2hdp7u6cmo8ou...@4ax.com> Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> > > > > >> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Do horses lope? I don't think I've heard that. Walk, Trot, Canter, and
> > > > > >Gallop; of these, canter seems to be somwehat tied to horses.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Especially to Jewish horses.
> > > > I didn't know horses practiced religion.
> >
> > > But a cantor sings Jewish religious songs.
> > >
> > You don't need to be Jewsih ro be a cantor.

> Indeed, but I thought the term was now most often used to
> refer to the person who sings or chants in a synagogue, i.e.
> a ha(z)zan.

There might be a trabs-pondian bias involved,

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 3:43:40 PM UTC-4, Bebercito wrote:
> Le lundi 14 mars 2022 à 19:12:26 UTC+1, charles a écrit :
> > In article <d6439ef5-cdf2-4253...@googlegroups.com>,
> > Bebercito <bebe...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > Le lundi 14 mars 2022 à 18:32:47 UTC+1, charles a écrit :
> > > > I dIn article <rbtu2h9noo6nffhf1...@4ax.com>,
> > > > Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 16:45:36 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
> > > > > <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
> > > > > >In message <afbu2hdp7u6cmo8ou...@4ax.com> Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:

> > > > > >> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
> > > > > >Do horses lope? I don't think I've heard that. Walk, Trot, Canter, and
> > > > > >Gallop; of these, canter seems to be somwehat tied to horses.
> > > > > Especially to Jewish horses.
> > > > I didn't know horses practiced religion.
> > > But a cantor sings Jewish religious songs.
> > You don't need to be Jewsih ro be a cantor.
>
> Indeed, but I thought the term was now most often used to
> refer to the person who sings or chants in a synagogue, i.e.
> a ha(z)zan.

It's also the person who sings the first phrase of a chant in a
church ("Gregorian chant" is but one variety) after which the
unison choir joins in.

[Ken Blake]

On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 17:28:43 +0000 (GMT), charles
<cha...@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

>
>I dIn article <rbtu2h9noo6nffhf1...@4ax.com>,
> Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 16:45:36 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
>> <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>> >In message <afbu2hdp7u6cmo8ou...@4ax.com> Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>> >> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>> >
>> >Do horses lope? I don't think I've heard that. Walk, Trot, Canter, and
>> >Gallop; of these, canter seems to be somwehat tied to horses.
>
>
>> Especially to Jewish horses.
>
>I didn't know horses practiced religion.

Not all of them. Just the Jewish ones.

[Quinn C]

* charles:

> In article <d6439ef5-cdf2-4253...@googlegroups.com>,
> Bebercito <bebe...@aol.com> wrote:
>> Le lundi 14 mars 2022 à 18:32:47 UTC+1, charles a écrit :
>>> I dIn article <rbtu2h9noo6nffhf1...@4ax.com>,
>>> Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>>> > On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 16:45:36 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
>>> > <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>
>>> > >In message <afbu2hdp7u6cmo8ou...@4ax.com> Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>> > >> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>>> > >
>>> > >Do horses lope? I don't think I've heard that. Walk, Trot, Canter, and
>>> > >Gallop; of these, canter seems to be somwehat tied to horses.
>>>
>>> > Especially to Jewish horses.
>>> I didn't know horses practiced religion.
>
>> But a cantor sings Jewish religious songs.
>>
>
> You don't need to be Jewsih ro be a cantor.

A certain well-known German composer was Thomaskantor in Leipzig.

--
They're telling the truth. [...] I know what you mean. There's
another truth that they're not telling. But newspapers never
do, that's not what they're for.
-- James Baldwin, Giovanni's Room

[Peter Moylan]

We have a wooden path along one side of the house, and I often hear
galloping noises coming from there. Our cats treat it as their exercise
track.

At least, I thought they were galloping noises, but now I think it might
be a three-beat sound. I'll have to listen more carefully the next time
they're awake.

Whatever it is, I imagine that cats and leopards use the same forms of
locomotion.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

[Peter Moylan]

On 15/03/22 04:04, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 16:45:36 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
> <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>> In message <afbu2hdp7u6cmo8ou...@4ax.com> Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>>
>> Do horses lope? I don't think I've heard that. Walk, Trot, Canter, and
>> Gallop; of these, canter seems to be somwehat tied to horses.
>
> Especially to Jewish horses.

And maybe the horse will sing.

[Snidely]

Lewis scribbled something on Monday the 3/14/2022:

> In message <afbu2hdp7u6cmo8ou...@4ax.com> Steve Hayes
> <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>
> Do horses lope? I don't think I've heard that. Walk, Trot, Canter, and
> Gallop; of these, canter seems to be somwehat tied to horses.

Lope is a pace expected of horses in certain riding events; it is
distinct from trot and canter. I didn't use high-speed photography
when viewing such events.

>> Would it seem strange to read of a leopard cantering down a hill?
>
> I would take a seond look, certainly. A leopard does not move in a way
> that I would ever call a canter.
>
> "a pace of a horse or other quadruped between a trot and a gallop, with
> not less than one foot on the ground at any time: I rode away at a
> canter."

Relying on WP,


The canter and gallop are variations on the fastest gait that can be
performed by a horse or other equine. The canter is a controlled
three-beat gait, while the gallop is a faster, four-beat variation of
the same gait. It is a natural gait possessed by all horses, faster
than most horses' trot, or ambling gaits. The gallop is the fastest
gait of the horse, averaging about 40 to 48 kilometres per hour (25 to
30 mph). The speed of the canter varies between 16 to 27 kilometres per
hour (10 to 17 mph) depending on the length of the horse's stride. A
variation of the canter, seen in western riding, is called a lope, and
is generally quite slow, no more than 13–19 kilometres per hour (8–12
mph)."

To my eyes, a gallop is what happens when a canter is stretched out.
(Side note: humans vary their running speed mostly by lengthening
their stride.)

> I don't think leopards trot either.
>
> "(with reference to a horse or other four-legged animal) proceed or
> cause to proceed at a pace faster than a walk, lifting each diagonal
> pair of legs alternately"

<URL:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWF9kxhUfSM>, which seems to match
what I've seen domestic felines do.

<URL:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTLptE3NDsk?

specifically:

<URL:https://youtu.be/hTLptE3NDsk?t=67>

The first minute is a walk, with the same-side legs moving at almost
the same time.

>
>> I thought it was a gait that could be seen in many quadrupeds,
>> especially those with fairly long legs -- going quite fast, but not in
>> a great hurry.
>
> As you can see, trot and canter describe very specific movements, and
> while some other quadrupeds may trot and canter, I don't think leopards
> do (or any felines). A dog will trot (dogtrot), but we don't tend to
> call it that very much outside of some regions.

Nope.

>> If you think it seems too strange, what other word would you use?
>
> Words associated with feline movement tend to stay away for sounds like
> 't' or 'k'. Felines are either described with words that have a 'sneaky'
> connotation, or a 'quick' one. Pounce, prowl, stalk, etc.

Shure, and also "slinky", but much of that has to do with how the back
is held; the legs work with the same mechanics (with the caveat that
the horse doesn't have the sort of shoulder bones that confine the
upper leg; much of that is done muscle; that differs from humans, and
maybe from felines).

<URL:https://www.rodnikkel.com/content/index.php/saddle-tree-blog-from-shop-and-desk/how-does-the-horse-s-shoulder-blade-move/>

/dps

--
Maybe C282Y is simply one of the hangers-on, a groupie following a
future guitar god of the human genome: an allele with undiscovered
virtuosity, currently soloing in obscurity in Mom's garage.
Bradley Wertheim, theAtlantic.com, Jan 10 2013

[Snidely]

charles submitted this gripping article, maybe on Monday:

> I dIn article <rbtu2h9noo6nffhf1...@4ax.com>,
> Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 16:45:36 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
>> <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>>> In message <afbu2hdp7u6cmo8ou...@4ax.com> Steve Hayes
>>> <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>>> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>>>
>>> Do horses lope? I don't think I've heard that. Walk, Trot, Canter, and
>>> Gallop; of these, canter seems to be somwehat tied to horses.
>
>
>> Especially to Jewish horses.
>
> I didn't know horses practiced religion.

Having one rear up on you can lead to you practicing religion.

/dps

--
"I'm glad unicorns don't ever need upgrades."
"We are as up as it is possible to get graded!"
_Phoebe and Her Unicorn_, 2016.05.15

[Tony Cooper]

On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 10:34:31 +1100, Peter Moylan
<pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:

>On 15/03/22 04:21, lar3ryca wrote:
>> On 2022-03-14 11:01, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>>> On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 10:45:42 AM UTC-6, Lewis wrote:
>
>>>> Do horses lope? I don't think I've heard that.
>>>
>>> I'd say the main meaning of "lope" is that it's the word for
>>> "canter", applied to horses, in the western U.S. and maybe western
>>> Canada.
>>
>> Canter and lope are synonymous to this western Canadian who has
>> about 15 years experience with horses.
>>
>> MW says "an easy natural gait of a horse resembling a canter', and
>> WordNet describes it as "a smooth 3-beat gait; between a trot and a
>> gallop", which is exactly what a canter is.
>
>We have a wooden path along one side of the house, and I often hear
>galloping noises coming from there. Our cats treat it as their exercise
>track.

That took a second to register. Your "wooden path" would be a "wooden
walkway" in my English. That's a structure of boards that one walks
on.

--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

[lar3ryca]

When would that be called a 'boardwalk'.

[Tony Cooper]

I associate a "boardwalk" with a much more elaborate construction such
as seen in seaside towns. Atlantic City's, for example. We also
have "boardwalks" with side rails in some parks where it restricts
walkers to a given path through the terrain, but these are usually
raised several feet over ground level.

[Peter Moylan]

In my mind a walkway is elevated. The one beside our house is at ground
level. We could have make it a concrete path - that's a much more common
choice in this area - but we chose to have it made of wood.

> When would that be called a 'boardwalk'.

Boardwalks are for going under, aren't they? That's what the song says.

My reading suggests that boardwalks are found only at beaches. That's
not an Australian custom, so there aren't any examples around here. We
do have structures at the nearby lake that let you walk out above the
water, but those are called piers or jetties.

I've never given much thought to the difference between a pier and a
jetty. OK, I've now looked it up. The ones at our lake are jetties.

[Peter Moylan]

Ah, yes, we have those too. Forming a path through mangroves, for
example, or on a walking trail as a way to get past an otherwise
difficult section. I'm quite happy to call those boardwalks.

[Mark Brader]

Tony Cooper:

>>> That took a second to register. Your "wooden path" would be a
>>> "wooden walkway" in my English. That's a structure of boards that
>>> one walks on.

"Larry":

>> When would that be called a 'boardwalk'.

> In my mind a walkway is elevated. The one beside our house is at ground
> level. We could have make it a concrete path - that's a much more common
> choice in this area - but we chose to have it made of wood.

Peter Moylan:

> My reading suggests that boardwalks are found only at beaches. That's

> not an Australian custom...

In the geothermal areas of Yellowstone National Park, boardwalks are
provided to keep people at a safe distance from the therman features
(if they stay on them, that is!). See:

http://www.nps.gov/yell/planyourvisit/safety.htm
http://www.usgs.gov/observatories/yvo/news/yellowstones-gravest-threat-visitors-its-not-what-you-might-think

Illustration:

http://images.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/news/world/2016/05/18/canadians-in-hot-water-over-snapping-selfies-in-yellowstone-hot-spring/yellowstone-boardwalk-hot-springs.jpg

They may also be provided in sensitive areas to protect the ground from
the visitors.
--
Mark Brader | "That would be correct, if it was correct." --Mark Brader
Toronto | "It's amazing how often that's said about my statements."
m...@vex.net | --Greg Goss

My text in this article is in the public domain.

[Dingbat]

On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 7:55:20 PM UTC+5:30, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 7:31:13 AM UTC-6, Janet wrote:
> > In article <afbu2hdp7u6cmo8ou...@4ax.com>,
> > haye...@telkomsa.net says...

> > >
> > > Can animals other than horses canter or lope?

> Certainly, but are those words used?
>
> This video shows the difference between cantering and galloping for dogs.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSHb98-C8V4

> > > Would it seem strange to read of a leopard cantering down a hill?

> Not to me, but it might depend on your readership. Is this for a children's
> book by any chance?
>
> But I don't know whether a leopard would really do that, and if so,
> under what circumstances.
> > You're overlooking the huge variation in animal physiology between
> > different species.
> >
> > For example, horses don't have the feet, musculature, hearing,
> > eyesight or dentition of leopards nor can they climb trees.
> >
> > Leopards don't share the anatomy, digestive system, diet or neurology
> > of horses. Or sheep, rabbits and frogs.
> Despite all that, leopards can walk, trot, and gallop much like horses, so
> there's no reason to think Steve overlooked the differences, and your
> points don't answer his question.
>
> --
You seem to view Walk and Trot as different. I thought a trot is a horse's
walk. If not, what's the difference between Trot and Walk?
Leopards probably can be trained to canter even if they don't in nature,
being as physically equipped for it as horses.

[Kerr-Mudd, John]

On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 10:42:38 -0700 (PDT)

Bebercito <bebe...@aol.com> wrote:

> Le lundi 14 mars 2022 à 18:32:47 UTC+1, charles a écrit :

> > I dIn article <rbtu2h9noo6nffhf1...@4ax.com>,
> > Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com> wrote:
> > > On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 16:45:36 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
> > > <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
> >
> > > >In message <afbu2hdp7u6cmo8ou...@4ax.com> Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:

> > > >> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
> > > >

> > > >Do horses lope? I don't think I've heard that. Walk, Trot, Canter, and
> > > >Gallop; of these, canter seems to be somwehat tied to horses.
> >
> >
> > > Especially to Jewish horses.
> > I didn't know horses practiced religion.
>

> But a cantor sings Jewish religious songs.
>

I thought he thought about infinities 'til it did 'is 'ead in.

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

[Peter Moylan]

On 15/03/22 17:12, Mark Brader wrote:

> In the geothermal areas of Yellowstone National Park, boardwalks are
> provided to keep people at a safe distance from the therman features
> (if they stay on them, that is!). See:
>
> http://www.nps.gov/yell/planyourvisit/safety.htm
> http://www.usgs.gov/observatories/yvo/news/yellowstones-gravest-threat-visitors-its-not-what-you-might-think

Now
>
that you mention it, I remember visiting similar places in New
Zealand. They too use wooden paths. I wouldn't have dreamed of stepping
off the trail. The dangers were too obvious.

Unsolicited ad: I spent three pleasant days in Taupo, which is on the
edge of New Zealand's biggest lake. The lake looks as if it was the
result of a major asteroid collision, but I was wrong about that. It's
actually the caldera of a volcano.

The negative side: in the thermal areas, and especially near Rotorua,
the sulphurous stink can be overwhelming.

[Lewis]

Same, The first tow times I read it as "a wooded path"

--
Gehm's Corollary to Clarke's law: Any technology distinguishable from
magic is insufficiently advanced.

[Lewis]

When it is about the width of a street or wider and is fronted by retail
stores or stalls *in AmE*. Usually on a lake or sea shore.

--
Oh look, good intentions!

[Quinn C]

* Sam Plusnet:

Searching humor with a magnifying glass, are you?

--
... it might be nice to see ourselves reflected in TV shows and
Pride season campaigns, but the cis white men who invented the
gender binary still own the damn mirror.
-- Delilah Friedler at slate.com

[Quinn C]

* charles:

I see you're trying to stay with the subject (German Trab = trot).

Now how can we get to Tölt most naturally ...

--
The country has its quota of fools and windbags; such people are
most prominent in politics, where their inherent weaknesses seem
less glaring and attract less ridicule than they would in other
walks of life. -- Robert Bothwell et.al.: Canada since 1945

[Quinn C]

* Snidely:

Yes, but further down on the page you'll find lope described as one of
six variations of canter.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canter_and_gallop>

And in the grand scheme of things, canter is a variation of gallop, not
as distinct from it as walk and trot.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_gait>

--
Hope and the odds make poor bedfellows.
-- Captain Picard, Picard S01E08

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 1:16:57 AM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 15/03/22 15:48, lar3ryca wrote:

> In my mind a walkway is elevated. The one beside our house is at ground
> level. We could have make it a concrete path - that's a much more common
> choice in this area - but we chose to have it made of wood.
>
> > When would that be called a 'boardwalk'.
>
> Boardwalks are for going under, aren't they? That's what the song says.

A boardwalk is a few steps up from the adjacent street (sidewalk),
and since the beach by definition slopes down from,the mainland,
]there's plenty of shaded space under the boardwalk for ... things
to happen.

Coney Island and Rockaway are the parade examples. Some of the
Jersey Shore boardwalks are store-lined on the land side, some aren't.

[Jerry Friedman]

In a walk, each foot leaves the ground and hits the ground at a different
time from the other feet [*]. In a trot, diagonally opposite feet are
synchronized. The video Snidely and I posted to this thread shows a
leopard walking and then trotting, and you will have no trouble finding
articles and videos on the different gaits, especially for horses and
dogs.

> Leopards probably can be trained to canter even if they don't in nature,
> being as physically equipped for it as horses.

Probably, but training big cats is a matter for specialists and is now
widely considered inhumane, and I feel sure Steve's leopard was wild.

[*] Other four-beat gaits are available.

--
Jerry Friedman

[Richard Heathfield]

On 15/03/2022 1:51 pm, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 12:59:32 AM UTC-6, Dingbat wrote:

<snip>

>> Leopards probably can be trained to canter even if they don't in nature,
>> being as physically equipped for it as horses.
>
> Probably, but training big cats is a matter for specialists and is now
> widely considered inhumane, and I feel sure Steve's leopard was wild.

Or perhaps even hopping mad?

--
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Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

[Ken Blake]

No, walking and trotting are two very different gaits. I can't
describe exactly what the difference is, but ride a horse doing the
two and you'll quickly feel the difference.

Or just do a web search.

[Ken Blake]

Yes. And in at least cases, also called a "boardwalk."

[Tony Cooper]

On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 09:38:51 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>

Yes, but boards over the ground around one's house would not be such a
case unless the house was Mar-A-Lago.

In that case, it might a "PerpWalk".

[Ken Blake]

On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 12:51:32 -0400, Tony Cooper

Yes, that's why I meant to write "in at least *some* cases." Omitting
a word I was planning to write is one of my most common kinds of
typos.

>unless the house was Mar-A-Lago.
>
>In that case, it might a "PerpWalk".

LOL. Yes.

[Lewis]

Not at all. A trot is very different than a walk. It's hard to get used
to when first riding a horse.

> If not, what's the difference between Trot and Walk?

In a trot the horse is lifting the front left leg and the back right leg
at the same time, then the other two legs. This results in a pace faster
than a walk, quite distinctive in look and feel, and quite 'bouncy' for
the neophyte rider. When I rode it was my east used gait, and I would
get the horse to a canter rather than endure a trot.

> Leopards probably can be trained to canter even if they don't in nature,

I doubt it. Felines are not built like horses and do not move like horses.

> being as physically equipped for it as horses.

And you base that comment on what, exactly?

--
FRIDAYS ARE NOT "PANTS OPTIONAL" Bart chalkboard Ep. AABF23

[Ken Blake]

Same for me. It was a long time ago that I last rode, but trotting was
always painful unless I posted. Posting took away the pain, but
quickly made me tired.

By the way, there are two kinds of harness races, conducted with two
different gaits. One of them is trotting.

[Tony Cooper]

On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 11:45:12 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
wrote:

The other is "pacers" as shown in:

https://photos.smugmug.com/Southern-Oaks/i-H8R9TRj/0/18d19dd6/X2/019-X2.jpg

A pacer can break stride during the race, but has to be "in stride" at
the finish line or the horse is disqualified.

The county fairs in Indiana, when I was growing up, usally had harness
racing. My father, who owned a "piece" of a horse name "Brownie's
Delight" would take me to those fairs. There was no (legal) betting
in Indiana, so the owners raced for the purse that was the entry fees.

I took that photo at Southern Oaks a few miles out of Orlando.
Southern Oaks is a training facility where Northern trainers bring
their horses in the winter.

More at https://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Southern-Oaks

[Ken Blake]

Yes, I know. I didn't mention because it wasn't relevant to the
trotting we were talking about.

[Sam Plusnet]

On 15-Mar-22 13:21, Quinn C wrote:
> * Sam Plusnet:
>
>> On 14-Mar-22 12:30, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>> On 14/03/22 23:03, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>>> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>>>>
>>>> Would it seem strange to read of a leopard cantering down a hill?
>>>>
>>>> I thought it was a gait that could be seen in many quadrupeds,
>>>> especially those with fairly long legs -- going quite fast, but not in
>>>> a great hurry.
>>>>
>>>> If you think it seems too strange, what other word would you use?
>>>
>>> Cantaloupe.
>>>
>>
>> The point of transition from one gait to the other.
>
> Searching humor with a magnifying glass, are you?
>

A quizzing glass perhaps.

--
Sam Plusnet

[Ken Blake]

On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 19:25:56 +0000, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:

>On 14-Mar-22 12:30, Peter Moylan wrote:
>> On 14/03/22 23:03, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>>>
>>> Would it seem strange to read of a leopard cantering down a hill?
>>>
>>> I thought it was a gait that could be seen in many quadrupeds,
>>> especially those with fairly long legs -- going quite fast, but not in
>>> a great hurry.
>>>
>>> If you think it seems too strange, what other word would you use?
>>
>> Cantaloupe.
>>
>
>The point of transition from one gait to the other.

The first gate takes you into the property, and the second one takes
you out.

[Sam Plusnet]

On 15-Mar-22 16:51, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 09:38:51 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 00:39:46 -0400, Tony Cooper

>> Yes. And in at least cases, also called a "boardwalk."
>
> Yes, but boards over the ground around one's house would not be such a
> case unless the house was Mar-A-Lago.
>
> In that case, it might a "PerpWalk".

From your lips to the attorney general's ear.


--
Sam Plusnet

[Peter Moylan]

On 16/03/22 03:37, Ken Blake wrote:

> No, walking and trotting are two very different gaits. I can't
> describe exactly what the difference is, but ride a horse doing the
> two and you'll quickly feel the difference.

If you haven't learnt how to move while the horse is trotting, you'll
feel the difference even more the next day.

Trotting for a horse is like jogging for a human. Faster than walking,
but not all-out fast.

When I was learning how to trot a horse, I made the mistake of wearing
jeans. Jeans have seams down the side that rub your knees raw. That was
when I understood the point of jodhpurs.

[Ruud Harmsen]

Tue, 15 Mar 2022 18:28:28 -0000 (UTC): Lewis
<g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> scribeva:

Yet I've seen cats trot and then gallop when needing to go faster.
They may be built differently, they too have four legs about the same
length. Humans could naturally do it too if our arms were longer and
stronger.

>> being as physically equipped for it as horses.
>
>And you base that comment on what, exactly?

Observation? Cats and dogs are not exactly rare.
--
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com

[Ruud Harmsen]

Tue, 15 Mar 2022 11:45:12 -0700: Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
scribeva:

>>In a trot the horse is lifting the front left leg and the back right leg
>>at the same time, then the other two legs. This results in a pace faster
>>than a walk, quite distinctive in look and feel, and quite 'bouncy' for
>>the neophyte rider. When I rode it was my east used gait, and I would
>>get the horse to a canter rather than endure a trot.
>
>Same for me. It was a long time ago that I last rode, but trotting was
>always painful unless I posted. Posting took away the pain, but
>quickly made me tired.

So posting is the English term for what in Dutch we call
"lichtrijden", riding lightly?

Yes, it is:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/post
"intransitive verb
1 : to rise from the saddle and return to it in rhythm with a horse's
trot"

You know what is nice to try? Posting without a saddle. Difficult but
possible. Or with a saddle but without stirrups.

(Strange, I didn't know the English term for Dutch "stijgbeugels"
("rising braces"), but the term "stirrup" was suggested in my head. I
dismissed it for being illogical (what is it that is stirred? Shaken,
not stirred?), but the dictionary, no, GT, confirms it.

English usage. On topic again.

[Ruud Harmsen]

Tue, 15 Mar 2022 11:45:12 -0700: Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
scribeva:

>By the way, there are two kinds of harness races, conducted with two
>different gaits. One of them is trotting.

It seems Dutch "galop en rengalop" in English are "canter and gallop"?

Horse riding terminology shows a big gap in my English vocabulary,
strange because when I was involved with horses, I was already quite
interested in English terminology of various fields.

[Quinn C]

* Sam Plusnet:

<quizzical look through my lorgnette>

--
Kira: Any luck?
Garak: Plenty, major. Unfortunately, all of it bad.

[Quinn C]

* Ruud Harmsen:

> Tue, 15 Mar 2022 11:45:12 -0700: Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
> scribeva:
>
>>>In a trot the horse is lifting the front left leg and the back right leg
>>>at the same time, then the other two legs. This results in a pace faster
>>>than a walk, quite distinctive in look and feel, and quite 'bouncy' for
>>>the neophyte rider. When I rode it was my east used gait, and I would
>>>get the horse to a canter rather than endure a trot.
>>
>>Same for me. It was a long time ago that I last rode, but trotting was
>>always painful unless I posted. Posting took away the pain, but
>>quickly made me tired.
>
> So posting is the English term for what in Dutch we call
> "lichtrijden", riding lightly?
>
> Yes, it is:
> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/post
> "intransitive verb
> 1 : to rise from the saddle and return to it in rhythm with a horse's
> trot"

I had no idea what it's called in German. Bilingual dictionaries I've
tried didn't have this meaning of "post".

A general search with suggestive sentence parts lead me to
"Leichttraben". I had never heard this combination, which means
"trotting with posting". If posting is used with other gaits, I don't
know what it's going to be called then.

--
...an explanatory principle - like "gravity" or "instinct" -
really explains nothing. It's a sort of conventional agreement
between scientists to stop trying to explain things at a
certain point. -- Gregory Bateson

[Jerry Friedman]

You only do it at the trot. I disliked it--you hit half as often, twice as
hard. It's possible that the camp counselors weren't teaching me
right, and even barely possible that I wasn't following instructions
right.

It is or was a shibboleth, by the way.

"It must have been one of the very first days of spring. I was wearing
my boots and my new corduroy habit, and carrying my spurs in my
pocket. I always carried my spurs on the way to the stable, because
it was eight squares from home to the stable, and I usually had to
pass a group of newsboys on the way, and when I wore the spurs
they would yell at me, even my friends among them. The spurs
seemed to make a difference. The newsboys were used to seeing me
in riding breeches and boots or leather puttees, but when I wore the
spurs they always seemed to notice it, and they would yell
"Cowboy-crazy!", and once I got in a fight about it and got a tooth
knocked out. It was not only because I hated what they called me. I
hated their ignorance; I could not stop and explain to them that I was
not cowboy-crazy, that I rode an English saddle and posted to the trot.
I could not explain to a bunch of newsboys that Julia was a five-gaited
mare, a full sister to Golden Firefly, and that she herself could have
been shown if she hadn't had a blanket scald.

John O'Hara, "It Must Have Been Spring." 1934

Some of that was still going on 35 years later. I learned or "learned"
to ride Eastern style, /not/ Western style.

(Since we've been talking about related matters in another thread--
O'Hara was criticized for being obsessed with social class, and that
passage is an example, but not all of his stories are like that.)

--
Jerry Friedman

[Ruud Harmsen]

>* Ruud Harmsen:

>> So posting is the English term for what in Dutch we call
>> "lichtrijden", riding lightly?
>>
>> Yes, it is:
>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/post
>> "intransitive verb
>> 1 : to rise from the saddle and return to it in rhythm with a horse's
>> trot"

Wed, 16 Mar 2022 13:18:09 -0400: Quinn C
<lispa...@crommatograph.info> scribeva:

>I had no idea what it's called in German. Bilingual dictionaries I've
>tried didn't have this meaning of "post".
>
>A general search with suggestive sentence parts lead me to
>"Leichttraben". I had never heard this combination, which means
>"trotting with posting". If posting is used with other gaits, I don't
>know what it's going to be called then.

Ja, Leichttraben finde ich auch hier:
https://www.bokt.nl/wiki/Paardenwoordenboek#Rijtermen

nl - en - de - fr
doorzitten - sitting trot - aussitzen - trot assis
[...]
lichtrijden - rising trot / posting trot - leichttraben - s’enlever

[Ruud Harmsen]

>On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 11:18:16 AM UTC-6, Quinn C wrote:
>> A general search with suggestive sentence parts lead me to
>> "Leichttraben". I had never heard this combination, which means
>> "trotting with posting". If posting is used with other gaits, I don't
>> know what it's going to be called then.

Wed, 16 Mar 2022 15:13:29 -0700 (PDT): Jerry Friedman
<jerry_f...@yahoo.com> scribeva:

>You only do it at the trot. I disliked it--you hit half as often, twice as

>hard. /

Not if you manage to move along with the animal’s movements
sufficiently. It ain't easy and it's hard work, but it can be done.
And it can be very different from horse to horse. Every horse has an
individual way of walking, in all gaits, especially trotting.

>/ It's possible that the camp counselors weren't teaching me

>right, and even barely possible that I wasn't following instructions
>right.
>
>It is or was a shibboleth, by the way.

[Anton Shepelev]

Steve Hayes:

> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?

1913 Webser quotes one J.H. Walsh:

The canter is a thoroughly artificial pace, at first ex-
tremely tiring to the horse, and generally only to be
produced in him by the restraint of a powerful bit, which
compels him to throw a great part of his weight on his
haunches...

Man's cruelty toward his "lesser brothers" is unfathomable.

--
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[Peter T. Daniels]

I believe "squares" for 'blocks' is Philadelphia-specific, and, sho' nuff,

"John Henry O'Hara was one of America's most prolific writers of short
stories, credited with helping to invent The New Yorker magazine short
story style. He became a best-selling novelist before the age of 30 with
Appointment in Samarra and BUtterfield 8. Wikipedia
Born: January 31, 1905, Pottsville, PA
Died: April 11, 1970, Princeton, NJ"

(Pottsville isn't quite a Philadelphia suburb, but it's on the Schuylkill.)

[Jerry Friedman]

On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 4:42:05 AM UTC-6, Anton Shepelev wrote:
> Steve Hayes:
> > Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
> 1913 Webser quotes one J.H. Walsh:
>
> The canter is a thoroughly artificial pace, at first ex-
> tremely tiring to the horse, and generally only to be
> produced in him by the restraint of a powerful bit, which
> compels him to throw a great part of his weight on his
> haunches...

The American Museum of Natural History says horses naturally
canter.

https://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/horse/how-we-shaped-horses-how-horses-shaped-us/trade-and-transportation/gaits

This book on Przewalski's Horse, which is truly wild, says they
canter.

https://books.google.com/books?id=Bvg99Qq54nUC&pg=PA199

> Man's cruelty toward his "lesser brothers" is unfathomable.

I don't know about "unfathomable", but there's certainly been a lot.

--
Jerry Friedman

[Jerry Friedman]

On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 8:08:48 AM UTC-6, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 6:13:32 PM UTC-4, Jerry Friedman wrote:

[posting without mailing]

> > It is or was a shibboleth, by the way.
> >

> > "[...] I always carried my spurs on the way to the stable, because

> > it was eight squares from home to the stable, and I usually had to
> > pass a group of newsboys on the way, and when I wore the spurs

> > they would yell at me, even my friends among them. [...]

> > I could not stop and explain to them that I was
> > not cowboy-crazy, that I rode an English saddle and posted to the trot.

[...]

> > John O'Hara, "It Must Have Been Spring." 1934

...

> I believe "squares" for 'blocks' is Philadelphia-specific, and, sho' nuff,
>
> "John Henry O'Hara was one of America's most prolific writers of short
> stories, credited with helping to invent The New Yorker magazine short
> story style. He became a best-selling novelist before the age of 30 with
> Appointment in Samarra and BUtterfield 8. Wikipedia
> Born: January 31, 1905, Pottsville, PA
> Died: April 11, 1970, Princeton, NJ"
>
> (Pottsville isn't quite a Philadelphia suburb, but it's on the Schuylkill.)

And O'Hara's "Gibbsville" is based on Pottsville, and that story looks rather
autobiographical.

I was wondering about Woody Guthrie's line "In the squares of the city,
in the shadow of the steeple," but maybe that's not actually what he wrote.

--
Jerry Friedman

[Mack A. Damia]

Pennsylvania's coal region. Natives of the area tend to be liars.
Nicknamed "The Land of Running Bullshit".

Could be a factor in the violent history of the Molly Macguires, but
it is well-known in adjacent areas.

[Quinn C]

* Anton Shepelev:

> Steve Hayes:
>
>> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>
> 1913 Webser quotes one J.H. Walsh:
>
> The canter is a thoroughly artificial pace, at first ex-
> tremely tiring to the horse, and generally only to be
> produced in him by the restraint of a powerful bit, which
> compels him to throw a great part of his weight on his
> haunches...
>
> Man's cruelty toward his "lesser brothers" is unfathomable.

In my short research about German terms in this area, I read pretty much
the opposite: that you often use the canter at the beginning of a ride
or as a break to get the horse into a smooth, easy movement. Also that
it's a gait that can be continued for long periods. That seemed to fit
the analogy that someone gave, that it's like jogging as opposed to
full-out running for humans.

In part, that may just mean that there are much more artificial
movements that we subject them too, as in dressage.

I don't have first-hand experience, so I won't subscribe to either view
on canter just yet.

--
Some of the most horrific things ever done to humans
were done by the politest, best-dressed, most well-spoken
people from the very best homes and neighborhoods.
-- Jerry Springer

[Jerry Friedman]

On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 3:14:47 AM UTC-6, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> >On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 11:18:16 AM UTC-6, Quinn C wrote:
> >> A general search with suggestive sentence parts lead me to
> >> "Leichttraben". I had never heard this combination, which means
> >> "trotting with posting". If posting is used with other gaits, I don't
> >> know what it's going to be called then.
> Wed, 16 Mar 2022 15:13:29 -0700 (PDT): Jerry Friedman
> <jerry_f...@yahoo.com> scribeva:
> >You only do it at the trot. I disliked it--you hit half as often, twice as
> >hard. /
>
> Not if you manage to move along with the animal’s movements
> sufficiently. It ain't easy and it's hard work, but it can be done.

I was moving in synchrony with the horse's movements, but I probably
wasn't doing the right thing at any given time.

Since "easy" can refer to skill or effort, I'd probably say "It's hard to
learn and hard work."

> And it can be very different from horse to horse. Every horse has an
> individual way of walking, in all gaits, especially trotting.

...

I think you mean "an individual way of moving, in all gaits". "Walking
in all gaits" doesn't make sense.

--
Jerry Friedman

[Quinn C]

* Mack A. Damia:

> Pennsylvania's coal region. Natives of the area tend to be liars.
> Nicknamed "The Land of Running Bullshit".

I don't even need to know anything at all about the area to say that
promulgating this kind of stereotype is truly odious and doesn't belong
in civil discourse.

--
"THIS IS IMPORTANT," one of the homunculi said to me. "THERE ARE
NO MEN AND NO WOMEN AND NOTHING ELSE."
-- Mieko Kawakami, Breast and Eggs

[Peter T. Daniels]

I don't know the context, but that could be the ordinary town square
(ort village green), in the middle, with the churches and maybe the post
office fronting on it.

Do you know the original Philadelphia Plan, with four squares symmetrically
around the town, ensuring open space close to all the people?

https://billypenn.com/2019/10/27/william-penn-375-years-philadelphia-model-city-street-grid/

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 1:57:00 PM UTC-4, Quinn C wrote:
> * Mack A. Damia:

> > Pennsylvania's coal region. Natives of the area tend to be liars.
> > Nicknamed "The Land of Running Bullshit".
>
> I don't even need to know anything at all about the area to say that
> promulgating this kind of stereotype is truly odious and doesn't belong
> in civil discourse.

OTOH, All Cretans are liars.

[lar3ryca]

On 2022-03-17 10:55, Quinn C wrote:
> * Anton Shepelev:
>
>> Steve Hayes:
>>
>>> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>>
>> 1913 Webser quotes one J.H. Walsh:
>>
>> The canter is a thoroughly artificial pace, at first ex-
>> tremely tiring to the horse, and generally only to be
>> produced in him by the restraint of a powerful bit, which
>> compels him to throw a great part of his weight on his
>> haunches...
>>
>> Man's cruelty toward his "lesser brothers" is unfathomable.
>
> In my short research about German terms in this area, I read pretty much
> the opposite: that you often use the canter at the beginning of a ride
> or as a break to get the horse into a smooth, easy movement. Also that
> it's a gait that can be continued for long periods. That seemed to fit
> the analogy that someone gave, that it's like jogging as opposed to
> full-out running for humans.

For long periods of riding, the best are the 'gaited' horses. They
essentially do a fast walk, equal or very close in speed to to a lope.

The only gaited horses I've ridden are 'Missouri Foxtrotters', and they
are VERY comfortable, with no deed to post.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gaited_horse_breeds

[Ken Blake]

On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 10:14:42 +0100, Ruud Harmsen <r...@rudhar.com>
wrote:

>>On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 11:18:16 AM UTC-6, Quinn C wrote:
>>> A general search with suggestive sentence parts lead me to
>>> "Leichttraben". I had never heard this combination, which means
>>> "trotting with posting". If posting is used with other gaits, I don't
>>> know what it's going to be called then.
>
>Wed, 16 Mar 2022 15:13:29 -0700 (PDT): Jerry Friedman
><jerry_f...@yahoo.com> scribeva:
>>You only do it at the trot. I disliked it--you hit half as often, twice as
>>hard. /
>
>Not if you manage to move along with the animal’s movements
>sufficiently. It ain't easy and it's hard work, but it can be done.

Yes, and it takes a lot of practice to be able to do it.

>And it can be very different from horse to horse.

I didn't know that.

> Every horse has an
>individual way of walking, in all gaits, especially trotting.
>
>>/ It's possible that the camp counselors weren't teaching me
>>right, and even barely possible that I wasn't following instructions
>>right.
>>
>>It is or was a shibboleth, by the way.

--

[Ken Blake]

On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 12:55:01 -0400, Quinn C
<lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:

>* Anton Shepelev:
>
>> Steve Hayes:
>>
>>> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>>
>> 1913 Webser quotes one J.H. Walsh:
>>
>> The canter is a thoroughly artificial pace, at first ex-
>> tremely tiring to the horse, and generally only to be
>> produced in him by the restraint of a powerful bit, which
>> compels him to throw a great part of his weight on his
>> haunches...
>>
>> Man's cruelty toward his "lesser brothers" is unfathomable.
>
>In my short research about German terms in this area, I read pretty much
>the opposite: that you often use the canter at the beginning of a ride
>or as a break to get the horse into a smooth, easy movement. Also that
>it's a gait that can be continued for long periods. That seemed to fit
>the analogy that someone gave, that it's like jogging as opposed to
>full-out running for humans.
>
>In part, that may just mean that there are much more artificial
>movements that we subject them too, as in dressage.
>
>I don't have first-hand experience, so I won't subscribe to either view
>on canter just yet.

In that case you canter oneously have an opinion on it.

[Jerry Friedman]

On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 1:13:28 PM UTC-6, lar3ryca wrote:
...

> For long periods of riding, the best are the 'gaited' horses. They
> essentially do a fast walk, equal or very close in speed to to a lope.

LIke Julia, the five-gaited mare in the paragraph I quoted from O'Hara.

> The only gaited horses I've ridden are 'Missouri Foxtrotters', and they
> are VERY comfortable, with no deed to post.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gaited_horse_breeds

Incidentally, I found Wikipedia quite unhelpful in explaining these
gaits.

--
Jerry Friedman

[Mack A. Damia]

On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 13:56:53 -0400, Quinn C
<lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:

>* Mack A. Damia:
>
>> Pennsylvania's coal region. Natives of the area tend to be liars.
>> Nicknamed "The Land of Running Bullshit".
>
>I don't even need to know anything at all about the area to say that
>promulgating this kind of stereotype is truly odious and doesn't belong
>in civil discourse.

Don't be a dweeb, Quinn.

I am telling you about a prevailing attitude towards people in that
area. I didn't make it up myself.

I have had a few experiences with them along those lines. I went to
college with a guy from Pottsville, and if you were talking about a
famous person, he would claim to have a close friendship or a
relationship with him/her. Also, I was friendly with a girl from
Schuylkill Haven who used to bullshit abut everything. I told her
that I taught school in Nassau and lived on a boat in Nassau Harbor. A
few weeks later, she claimed that a friend had flown her down there in
his Cessna, and she flew directly over where our boat was harbored.
They were both examples of "Oneupmanship".

If you think she may have been telling the truth, how did she know
where the boat was?

If you really want me to tell you what is odious in here, it is
monopolizing the conversation with the subject of pronouns for
trannies.

[CDB]

On 3/17/2022 11:44 AM, Jerry Friedman wrote:

> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>> Jerry Friedman wrote:

> [posting without mailing]

>>> It is or was a shibboleth, by the way.

>>> "[...] I always carried my spurs on the way to the stable,
>>> because it was eight squares from home to the stable, and I
>>> usually had to pass a group of newsboys on the way, and when I
>>> wore the spurs they would yell at me, even my friends among them.
>>> [...] I could not stop and explain to them that I was not
>>> cowboy-crazy, that I rode an English saddle and posted to the
>>> trot.
> [...]

I would like an explanation of what this English-saddle-person was
planning to do to their horse with those spurs.

>>> John O'Hara, "It Must Have Been Spring." 1934
> ...

>> I believe "squares" for 'blocks' is Philadelphia-specific, and,
>> sho' nuff,

>> "John Henry O'Hara was one of America's most prolific writers of
>> short stories, credited with helping to invent The New Yorker
>> magazine short story style. He became a best-selling novelist
>> before the age of 30 with Appointment in Samarra and BUtterfield 8.
>> Wikipedia Born: January 31, 1905, Pottsville, PA Died: April 11,
>> 1970, Princeton, NJ"

>> (Pottsville isn't quite a Philadelphia suburb, but it's on the
>> Schuylkill.)

> And O'Hara's "Gibbsville" is based on Pottsville, and that story
> looks rather autobiographical.

> I was wondering about Woody Guthrie's line "In the squares of the
> city, in the shadow of the steeple," but maybe that's not actually
> what he wrote.

Verse 6. According to some websites, he wrote it in 1940 but didn't
record it with the other verses in 1944. "In the squares of the city,
in the shadow of the steeple" makes "square" sound more like a town square.

Los Angeles has had a Woody Guthrie Square since 2012.

[CDB]

On 3/17/2022 3:11 PM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> Quinn C wrote:
>> * Mack A. Damia:

>>> Pennsylvania's coal region. Natives of the area tend to be
>>> liars. Nicknamed "The Land of Running Bullshit".

>> I don't even need to know anything at all about the area to say
>> that promulgating this kind of stereotype is truly odious and
>> doesn't belong in civil discourse.

> OTOH, All Cretans are liars.

The Labyrinth was full of it.

[Jerry Friedman]

I take it back. This is helpful.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambling_gait#Types_of_ambling_gaits

--
Jerry Friedman

[Jerry Friedman]

On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 2:43:23 PM UTC-6, CDB wrote:
> On 3/17/2022 11:44 AM, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> > Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >> Jerry Friedman wrote:
>
> > [posting without mailing]
>
> >>> It is or was a shibboleth, by the way.
>
> >>> "[...] I always carried my spurs on the way to the stable,
> >>> because it was eight squares from home to the stable, and I
> >>> usually had to pass a group of newsboys on the way, and when I
> >>> wore the spurs they would yell at me, even my friends among them.
> >>> [...] I could not stop and explain to them that I was not
> >>> cowboy-crazy, that I rode an English saddle and posted to the
> >>> trot.
> > [...]
> I would like an explanation of what this English-saddle-person

[boy, possibly named James Malloy]

> was planning to do to their horse with those spurs.

I wondered about that too. What could you possibly want spurs for
when riding an American Saddle Horse?

> >>> John O'Hara, "It Must Have Been Spring." 1934
> > ...
>
> >> I believe "squares" for 'blocks' is Philadelphia-specific, and,
> >> sho' nuff,
>
> >> "John Henry O'Hara was one of America's most prolific writers of
> >> short stories, credited with helping to invent The New Yorker
> >> magazine short story style. He became a best-selling novelist
> >> before the age of 30 with Appointment in Samarra and BUtterfield 8.
> >> Wikipedia Born: January 31, 1905, Pottsville, PA Died: April 11,
> >> 1970, Princeton, NJ"
>
> >> (Pottsville isn't quite a Philadelphia suburb, but it's on the
> >> Schuylkill.)
>
> > And O'Hara's "Gibbsville" is based on Pottsville, and that story
> > looks rather autobiographical.
>
> > I was wondering about Woody Guthrie's line "In the squares of the
> > city, in the shadow of the steeple," but maybe that's not actually
> > what he wrote.

> Verse 6. According to some websites, he wrote it in 1940 but didn't
> record it with the other verses in 1944. "In the squares of the city,
> in the shadow of the steeple" makes "square" sound more like a town square.

But woodyguthrie.org has

In the shadow of the steeple I saw my people,
By the relief office I seen my people;

https://www.woodyguthrie.org/Lyrics/This_Land.htm

and the 1940 version according to the Wikiparticle has

One bright sunny morning in the shadow of the steeple
By the Relief Office I saw my people —

> Los Angeles has had a Woody Guthrie Square since 2012.

I hope there aren't any people standing there hungry.

--
Jerry Friedman

[Quinn C]

* Mack A. Damia:

> On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 13:56:53 -0400, Quinn C
> <lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:
>
>>* Mack A. Damia:
>>
>>> Pennsylvania's coal region. Natives of the area tend to be liars.
>>> Nicknamed "The Land of Running Bullshit".
>>
>>I don't even need to know anything at all about the area to say that
>>promulgating this kind of stereotype is truly odious and doesn't belong
>>in civil discourse.
>
> Don't be a dweeb, Quinn.
>
> I am telling you about a prevailing attitude towards people in that
> area. I didn't make it up myself.
>
> I have had a few experiences with them along those lines.

You clearly presented it as an attitude that you subscribe to, not as an
other people's issue.

I already have an attitude towards you, and now I made an exception and
read this message from you and it contained hate once again, it serves
as confirmation. It's clearly better for my mental health to ignore you.

--
Quinn C
My pronouns are they/them
(or other gender-neutral ones)

[Quinn C]

* CDB:

I thought it was about those people coming out of the labyrinth
complaining: "This is impossible. Once you're in there, you'll never get
out!"

[Tony Cooper]

On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 16:43:18 -0400, CDB <belle...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 3/17/2022 11:44 AM, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>> Jerry Friedman wrote:
>
>> [posting without mailing]
>
>>>> It is or was a shibboleth, by the way.
>

>>>> "[...] I always carried my spurs on the way >>>> because it was eight squares from home to the stable, and I

>>>> usually had to pass a group of newsboys on the way, and when I
>>>> wore the spurs they would yell at me, even my friends among them.
>>>> [...] I could not stop and explain to them that I was not
>>>> cowboy-crazy, that I rode an English saddle and posted to the
>>>> trot.
>> [...]
>
>I would like an explanation of what this English-saddle-person was
>planning to do to their horse with those spurs.

English and American dressage riders wear spurs. The "English spur"
usually employs a single blunt-tipped spur, but American Western
(cowboy) spurs are roweled things with several points.

Our cowboy spurs go "jingle, jangle, jingle".

--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

[lar3ryca]

There are also quite a few Youtube videos showing the various gaits.

I will say that at a loping speed, the Missouri Foxtrotter was one of
the most comfortable horses I have ever ridden.

[Tony Cooper]

I've not heard of a Missouri Foxtrotter, and thought that the
Tennessee Walker is known as the most comfortable to ride.

[lar3ryca]

Could be. I've never ridden one.

[Mack A. Damia]

On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 17:41:08 -0400, Quinn C

<lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:

>* Mack A. Damia:
>
>> On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 13:56:53 -0400, Quinn C
>> <lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:
>>
>>>* Mack A. Damia:
>>>
>>>> Pennsylvania's coal region. Natives of the area tend to be liars.
>>>> Nicknamed "The Land of Running Bullshit".
>>>
>>>I don't even need to know anything at all about the area to say that
>>>promulgating this kind of stereotype is truly odious and doesn't belong
>>>in civil discourse.
>>
>> Don't be a dweeb, Quinn.
>>
>> I am telling you about a prevailing attitude towards people in that
>> area. I didn't make it up myself.
>>
>> I have had a few experiences with them along those lines.
>
>You clearly presented it as an attitude that you subscribe to, not as an
>other people's issue.
>
>I already have an attitude towards you, and now I made an exception and
>read this message from you and it contained hate once again, it serves
>as confirmation. It's clearly better for my mental health to ignore you.

Do your research on "Tall Tales". Tall tale telling. Ever hear of it?
People in those regions pride themselves on bullshitting others.

People in that area (and others) even have Liars Contests.

First time you thought of dressing up as the opposite sex, booby, you
should have sought out a qualified therapist.

[Ruud Harmsen]

Thu, 17 Mar 2022 10:22:48 -0700 (PDT): Jerry Friedman

<jerry_f...@yahoo.com> scribeva:

>On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 3:14:47 AM UTC-6, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>> >On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 11:18:16 AM UTC-6, Quinn C wrote:
>> >> A general search with suggestive sentence parts lead me to
>> >> "Leichttraben". I had never heard this combination, which means
>> >> "trotting with posting". If posting is used with other gaits, I don't
>> >> know what it's going to be called then.
>> Wed, 16 Mar 2022 15:13:29 -0700 (PDT): Jerry Friedman
>> <jerry_f...@yahoo.com> scribeva:
>> >You only do it at the trot. I disliked it--you hit half as often, twice as
>> >hard. /
>>
>> Not if you manage to move along with the animal’s movements
>> sufficiently. It ain't easy and it's hard work, but it can be done.
>
>I was moving in synchrony with the horse's movements, but I probably
>wasn't doing the right thing at any given time.
>
>Since "easy" can refer to skill or effort, I'd probably say "It's hard to
>learn and hard work."
>
>> And it can be very different from horse to horse. Every horse has an
>> individual way of walking, in all gaits, especially trotting.
>...
>
>I think you mean "an individual way of moving, in all gaits". "Walking
>in all gaits" doesn't make sense.

Walking as a general term doesn't exist in English? Lopen in Dutch
does. (Cognate to leap, but it doesn't mean jump to us. It does to the
Frisians, fierljeppen, far leaping, with a large stick.)
--
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com

[Ruud Harmsen]

Thu, 17 Mar 2022 12:11:29 -0700 (PDT): "Peter T. Daniels"
<gram...@verizon.net> scribeva:

So are Putin, and he's not alone.