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Marius Hancu
Feb 15, 2015, 12:36:47 PM2/15/15
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Hello:
~~~
[Fantasy. Jordan College in Oxford. Lyra, a girl living there, talks
about her uncle.]
When they reached the byanplats it was evening, and the sun was about to
set in a splash of bloody sky. The low island and the Zaal were humped
blackly against the light, like the clustered buildings around; threads
of smoke rose into the still air, and from the press of boats all around
came the smells of frying fish, of smokeleaf, of jenniver spirit.
Philip Pullman, His Dark Materials, Book 1
~~~
Now:
~~~
The Byanplats is an area in the Fens in Lyra's World. It is an elevated
area standing clear of the fens that seems likely to correspond to the
Isle of Ely in our world.
~~~
"The low island and the Zaal were humped blackly against the light":
what "humped" is this?
"The Zaal" seems to be a large hall or similar.
Also
"jenniver": probably invented - does it suggest "juniper" to you as a
source?
Thanks.
--
Marius Hancu
~~~
[Fantasy. Jordan College in Oxford. Lyra, a girl living there, talks
about her uncle.]
When they reached the byanplats it was evening, and the sun was about to
set in a splash of bloody sky. The low island and the Zaal were humped
blackly against the light, like the clustered buildings around; threads
of smoke rose into the still air, and from the press of boats all around
came the smells of frying fish, of smokeleaf, of jenniver spirit.
Philip Pullman, His Dark Materials, Book 1
~~~
Now:
~~~
The Byanplats is an area in the Fens in Lyra's World. It is an elevated
area standing clear of the fens that seems likely to correspond to the
Isle of Ely in our world.
~~~
"The low island and the Zaal were humped blackly against the light":
what "humped" is this?
"The Zaal" seems to be a large hall or similar.
Also
"jenniver": probably invented - does it suggest "juniper" to you as a
source?
Thanks.
--
Marius Hancu
Horace LaBadie
Feb 15, 2015, 12:49:36 PM2/15/15
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In article <mbqlfb$5gm$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
I don't imagine they were humping one another.
Marius Hancu <marius...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "The low island and the Zaal were humped blackly against the light":
> what "humped" is this?
Forming a hump. They were silhouetted.
> "The low island and the Zaal were humped blackly against the light":
> what "humped" is this?
I don't imagine they were humping one another.
musika
Feb 15, 2015, 12:52:38 PM2/15/15
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--
Ray
UK
Helen Lacedaemonian
Feb 15, 2015, 12:55:43 PM2/15/15
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On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 9:36:47 AM UTC-8, Marius Hancu wrote:
> Hello:
>
> ~~~
> [Fantasy. Jordan College in Oxford. Lyra, a girl living there, talks
> about her uncle.]
>
> When they reached the byanplats it was evening, and the sun was about to
> set in a splash of bloody sky. The low island and the Zaal were humped
> blackly against the light, like the clustered buildings around; threads
> of smoke rose into the still air, and from the press of boats all around
> came the smells of frying fish, of smokeleaf, of jenniver spirit.
>
> Philip Pullman, His Dark Materials, Book 1
> ~~~
>
> Now:
> ~~~
> The Byanplats is an area in the Fens in Lyra's World. It is an elevated
> area standing clear of the fens that seems likely to correspond to the
> Isle of Ely in our world.
> ~~~
>
> "The low island and the Zaal were humped blackly against the light":
> what "humped" is this?
Resembling humps. (They are in silhouette, all detail is gone.)
> Hello:
>
> ~~~
> [Fantasy. Jordan College in Oxford. Lyra, a girl living there, talks
> about her uncle.]
>
> When they reached the byanplats it was evening, and the sun was about to
> set in a splash of bloody sky. The low island and the Zaal were humped
> blackly against the light, like the clustered buildings around; threads
> of smoke rose into the still air, and from the press of boats all around
> came the smells of frying fish, of smokeleaf, of jenniver spirit.
>
> Philip Pullman, His Dark Materials, Book 1
> ~~~
>
> Now:
> ~~~
> The Byanplats is an area in the Fens in Lyra's World. It is an elevated
> area standing clear of the fens that seems likely to correspond to the
> Isle of Ely in our world.
> ~~~
>
> "The low island and the Zaal were humped blackly against the light":
> what "humped" is this?
> "The Zaal" seems to be a large hall or similar.
>
> Also
> "jenniver": probably invented - does it suggest "juniper" to you as a
> source?
Best,
Helen
Richard Tobin
Feb 15, 2015, 1:05:03 PM2/15/15
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In article <8123a4b8-23e6-4a32...@googlegroups.com>,
-- Richard
Helen Lacedaemonian <helenofs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "jenniver": probably invented - does it suggest "juniper" to you as a
>> source?
>"Jenever" is Dutch for gin.
And used to be English for it. "Gin" was originally a contraction.
>> "jenniver": probably invented - does it suggest "juniper" to you as a
>> source?
>"Jenever" is Dutch for gin.
-- Richard
Katy Jennison
Feb 15, 2015, 1:15:21 PM2/15/15
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On 15/02/2015 17:36, Marius Hancu wrote:
> Hello:
>
> ~~~
> [Fantasy. Jordan College in Oxford. Lyra, a girl living there, talks
> about her uncle.]
>
> When they reached the byanplats it was evening, and the sun was about to
> set in a splash of bloody sky. The low island and the Zaal were humped
> blackly against the light, like the clustered buildings around; threads
> of smoke rose into the still air, and from the press of boats all around
> came the smells of frying fish, of smokeleaf, of jenniver spirit.
>
> Philip Pullman, His Dark Materials, Book 1
> ~~~
>
[snip]
>
> ~~~
> [Fantasy. Jordan College in Oxford. Lyra, a girl living there, talks
> about her uncle.]
>
> When they reached the byanplats it was evening, and the sun was about to
> set in a splash of bloody sky. The low island and the Zaal were humped
> blackly against the light, like the clustered buildings around; threads
> of smoke rose into the still air, and from the press of boats all around
> came the smells of frying fish, of smokeleaf, of jenniver spirit.
>
> Philip Pullman, His Dark Materials, Book 1
> ~~~
>
>
> Also
> "jenniver": probably invented - does it suggest "juniper" to you as a
> source?
"Jenniver" is gin, just as "smokeleaf" is tobacco.
> Also
> "jenniver": probably invented - does it suggest "juniper" to you as a
> source?
--
Katy Jennison
Mark Brader
Feb 15, 2015, 1:58:57 PM2/15/15
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Marius Hancu:
French "salle"), and the Fens are in the part of England nearest
to the Netherlands.
--
Mark Brader | "The nice thing about the train is that you don't worry
Toronto | when the person in the car behind falls asleep."
m...@vex.net | -- Mike Kruger
> > "The Zaal" seems to be a large hall or similar.
> >
> > Also
> > "jenniver": probably invented - does it suggest "juniper" to you as a
> > source?
Helen Lacedaemonian:
> >
> > Also
> > "jenniver": probably invented - does it suggest "juniper" to you as a
> > source?
> "Jenever" is Dutch for gin.
And "zaal" is Dutch for a room or hall (it must be cognate with
French "salle"), and the Fens are in the part of England nearest
to the Netherlands.
--
Mark Brader | "The nice thing about the train is that you don't worry
Toronto | when the person in the car behind falls asleep."
m...@vex.net | -- Mike Kruger
Helen Lacedaemonian
Feb 15, 2015, 2:15:35 PM2/15/15
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I suppose names for alcoholic beverages have a natural tendency to contract. So that one can still utter them after the first few rounds.
Best,
Helen
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Peter Duncanson [BrE]
Feb 15, 2015, 2:36:35 PM2/15/15
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It is also spelled "Geneva" and "Genever".
http://www.wenneker.nl/en/products/spirits/geneva
Geneva Gin has been the most characteristic drink in the Netherlands
for centuries. The Dutch Geneva Gin was first produced around 1600
as an alternative for the until then popular wine distillates.
....
Current Geneva Gin differs considerably from the Geneva Gin of the
old days. At the time, corn was distilled into malt spirit and this
distillate has a strong corn flavour. Herbs were added to smooth the
strong flavour. The juniper berry was pre-eminently suitable to add
taste to the drink. Since the juniper berry was used more than the
other herbs, it was the juniper berry which ultimately named this
product.
That sense of "Geneva" has no connection with the Swiss city of that
name. The etymologies are different.
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
charles
Feb 15, 2015, 5:15:33 PM2/15/15
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In article <63533229-a1d3-42e3...@googlegroups.com>,
--
From KT24 in Surrey
Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18
Helen Lacedaemonian <helenofs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 10:05:03 AM UTC-8, Richard Tobin wrote:
> > In article <8123a4b8-23e6-4a32...@googlegroups.com>,
> > Helen Lacedaemonian <helenofs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >> "jenniver": probably invented - does it suggest "juniper" to you as a
> > >> source?
> >
> > >"Jenever" is Dutch for gin.
> >
> > And used to be English for it. "Gin" was originally a contraction.
> Ah, like "sack" from "vin sec."
> I suppose names for alcoholic beverages have A natural tendency to
> On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 10:05:03 AM UTC-8, Richard Tobin wrote:
> > In article <8123a4b8-23e6-4a32...@googlegroups.com>,
> > Helen Lacedaemonian <helenofs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >> "jenniver": probably invented - does it suggest "juniper" to you as a
> > >> source?
> >
> > >"Jenever" is Dutch for gin.
> >
> > And used to be English for it. "Gin" was originally a contraction.
> Ah, like "sack" from "vin sec."
> contract. So that one can still utter them after the first few rounds.
like "whisky" for "uisge-beatha"
--
From KT24 in Surrey
Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18
Marius Hancu
Feb 15, 2015, 5:42:41 PM2/15/15
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On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 1:58:57 PM UTC-5, Mark Brader wrote:
> Marius Hancu:
> > > "The Zaal" seems to be a large hall or similar.
> > >
> > > Also
> > > "jenniver": probably invented - does it suggest "juniper" to you as a
> > > source?
>
> Helen Lacedaemonian:
> > "Jenever" is Dutch for gin.
>
> And "zaal" is Dutch for a room or hall (it must be cognate with
> French "salle"), and the Fens are in the part of England nearest
> to the Netherlands.
Thanks, everyone.
> Marius Hancu:
> > > "The Zaal" seems to be a large hall or similar.
> > >
> > > Also
> > > "jenniver": probably invented - does it suggest "juniper" to you as a
> > > source?
>
> Helen Lacedaemonian:
> > "Jenever" is Dutch for gin.
>
> And "zaal" is Dutch for a room or hall (it must be cognate with
> French "salle"), and the Fens are in the part of England nearest
> to the Netherlands.
--
Marius Hancu
Marius Hancu
Feb 15, 2015, 5:46:22 PM2/15/15
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On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 2:36:35 PM UTC-5, PeterWD wrote:
Glad I was right on "juniper."
Marius Hancu
Feb 15, 2015, 5:47:59 PM2/15/15
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On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 12:49:36 PM UTC-5, Horace LaBadie wrote:
> > "The low island and the Zaal were humped blackly against the light":
> > what "humped" is this?
>
> Forming a hump. They were silhouetted.
Ah, OK.
> > "The low island and the Zaal were humped blackly against the light":
> > what "humped" is this?
>
> Forming a hump. They were silhouetted.
> I don't imagine they were humping one another.
Thank you.
--
Marius Hancu
R H Draney
Feb 15, 2015, 5:51:41 PM2/15/15
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m...@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote in news:vLqdnV0MSpbzcX3JnZ2dnUU7-
KWd...@vex.net:
KWd...@vex.net:
>
> And "zaal" is Dutch for a room or hall (it must be cognate with
> French "salle"), and the Fens are in the part of England nearest
> to the Netherlands.
As the saying goes, "good fens make good neighbors"....r
> And "zaal" is Dutch for a room or hall (it must be cognate with
> French "salle"), and the Fens are in the part of England nearest
> to the Netherlands.
Marius Hancu
Feb 15, 2015, 6:01:06 PM2/15/15
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Joe Fineman
Feb 15, 2015, 6:09:55 PM2/15/15
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Helen Lacedaemonian <helenofs...@gmail.com> writes:
> On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 9:36:47 AM UTC-8, Marius Hancu wrote:
>> "The low island and the Zaal were humped blackly against the light":
>> what "humped" is this?
>
> Resembling humps. (They are in silhouette, all detail is gone.)
Be'old a cloud upon the beam,
> On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 9:36:47 AM UTC-8, Marius Hancu wrote:
>> "The low island and the Zaal were humped blackly against the light":
>> what "humped" is this?
>
> Resembling humps. (They are in silhouette, all detail is gone.)
An' 'umped above the sea appears
Old Aden, like a barrick-stove
That no one's lit for years and years. -- Kipling
--
--- Joe Fineman jo...@verizon.net
||: Die alone in your house, and your cat will eat you. :||
Steve Hayes
Feb 15, 2015, 7:18:22 PM2/15/15
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 12:36:39 -0500, Marius Hancu
<marius...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Hello:
>
>~~~
>[Fantasy. Jordan College in Oxford. Lyra, a girl living there, talks
>about her uncle.]
>
>When they reached the byanplats it was evening, and the sun was about to
>set in a splash of bloody sky. The low island and the Zaal were humped
>blackly against the light, like the clustered buildings around; threads
>of smoke rose into the still air, and from the press of boats all around
>came the smells of frying fish, of smokeleaf, of jenniver spirit.
>
>Philip Pullman, His Dark Materials, Book 1
>~~~
>
>Now:
>~~~
>The Byanplats is an area in the Fens in Lyra's World. It is an elevated
>area standing clear of the fens that seems likely to correspond to the
>Isle of Ely in our world.
>~~~
>
>"The low island and the Zaal were humped blackly against the light":
>what "humped" is this?
>
>"The Zaal" seems to be a large hall or similar.
Having a high profile as opposed to a low profile.
<marius...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Hello:
>
>~~~
>[Fantasy. Jordan College in Oxford. Lyra, a girl living there, talks
>about her uncle.]
>
>When they reached the byanplats it was evening, and the sun was about to
>set in a splash of bloody sky. The low island and the Zaal were humped
>blackly against the light, like the clustered buildings around; threads
>of smoke rose into the still air, and from the press of boats all around
>came the smells of frying fish, of smokeleaf, of jenniver spirit.
>
>Philip Pullman, His Dark Materials, Book 1
>~~~
>
>Now:
>~~~
>The Byanplats is an area in the Fens in Lyra's World. It is an elevated
>area standing clear of the fens that seems likely to correspond to the
>Isle of Ely in our world.
>~~~
>
>"The low island and the Zaal were humped blackly against the light":
>what "humped" is this?
>
>"The Zaal" seems to be a large hall or similar.
>Also
>"jenniver": probably invented - does it suggest "juniper" to you as a
>source?
Jenever
Jenever, is the juniper-flavored national and traditional liquor of
the Netherlands and Belgium, from which gin evolved. Traditional
jenever is still very popular in the Netherlands and Belgium.
Wikipedia
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Steve Hayes
Feb 15, 2015, 7:19:53 PM2/15/15
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 12:58:54 -0600, m...@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote:
>Marius Hancu:
>> > "The Zaal" seems to be a large hall or similar.
>> >
>> > Also
>> > "jenniver": probably invented - does it suggest "juniper" to you as a
>> > source?
>
>Helen Lacedaemonian:
>> "Jenever" is Dutch for gin.
>
>And "zaal" is Dutch for a room or hall (it must be cognate with
>French "salle"), and the Fens are in the part of England nearest
>to the Netherlands.
And Dutchmen were imported to drain them.
>Marius Hancu:
>> > "The Zaal" seems to be a large hall or similar.
>> >
>> > Also
>> > "jenniver": probably invented - does it suggest "juniper" to you as a
>> > source?
>
>Helen Lacedaemonian:
>> "Jenever" is Dutch for gin.
>
>And "zaal" is Dutch for a room or hall (it must be cognate with
>French "salle"), and the Fens are in the part of England nearest
>to the Netherlands.
Helen Lacedaemonian
Feb 15, 2015, 7:48:54 PM2/15/15
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Best,
Helen
Mike L
Feb 17, 2015, 4:46:23 PM2/17/15
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were invented to mask the taste of fresh spirit.
--
Mike.
Peter Moylan
Feb 18, 2015, 6:34:59 PM2/18/15
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because cheap plonk is just as likely to be red wine.
--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia
JE SUIS CHARLIE
Horace LaBadie
Feb 18, 2015, 7:22:29 PM2/18/15
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In article <mc37hp$mj2$1...@dont-email.me>,
Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org> wrote:
> On 16/02/15 06:15, Helen Lacedaemonian wrote:
> > On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 10:05:03 AM UTC-8, Richard Tobin wrote:
> >> In article <8123a4b8-23e6-4a32...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> Helen Lacedaemonian <helenofs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> "jenniver": probably invented - does it suggest "juniper" to you as a
> >>>> source?
> >>
> >>> "Jenever" is Dutch for gin.
> >>
> >> And used to be English for it. "Gin" was originally a contraction.
> >
> > Ah, like "sack" from "vin sec."
> >
> > I suppose names for alcoholic beverages have a natural tendency to
> > contract. So that one can still utter them after the first few rounds.
>
> Or "plonk" from "vin blanc". That's a strange one, at least in AusE,
> because cheap plonk is just as likely to be red wine.
What Horace Rumpole (of the Bailey) called Chateau Thames Embankment.
> On 16/02/15 06:15, Helen Lacedaemonian wrote:
> > On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 10:05:03 AM UTC-8, Richard Tobin wrote:
> >> In article <8123a4b8-23e6-4a32...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> Helen Lacedaemonian <helenofs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> "jenniver": probably invented - does it suggest "juniper" to you as a
> >>>> source?
> >>
> >>> "Jenever" is Dutch for gin.
> >>
> >> And used to be English for it. "Gin" was originally a contraction.
> >
> > Ah, like "sack" from "vin sec."
> >
> > I suppose names for alcoholic beverages have a natural tendency to
> > contract. So that one can still utter them after the first few rounds.
>
> Or "plonk" from "vin blanc". That's a strange one, at least in AusE,
> because cheap plonk is just as likely to be red wine.
Steve Hayes
Feb 18, 2015, 9:04:51 PM2/18/15
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Helen Lacedaemonian
Feb 19, 2015, 12:51:35 AM2/19/15
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On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 at 6:04:51 PM UTC-8, Steve Hayes wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:23:57 -0500, Horace LaBadie
> <hlab...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <mc37hp$mj2$1...@dont-email.me>,
> > Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On 16/02/15 06:15, Helen Lacedaemonian wrote:
> >> > On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 10:05:03 AM UTC-8, Richard Tobin wrote:
> >> >> In article <8123a4b8-23e6-4a32...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> >> Helen Lacedaemonian <helenofs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>> "jenniver": probably invented - does it suggest "juniper" to you as a
> >> >>>> source?
> >> >>
> >> >>> "Jenever" is Dutch for gin.
> >> >>
> >> >> And used to be English for it. "Gin" was originally a contraction.
> >> >
> >> > Ah, like "sack" from "vin sec."
> >> >
> >> > I suppose names for alcoholic beverages have a natural tendency to
> >> > contract. So that one can still utter them after the first few rounds.
> >>
> >> Or "plonk" from "vin blanc". That's a strange one, at least in AusE,
> >> because cheap plonk is just as likely to be red wine.
> >
> >What Horace Rumpole (of the Bailey) called Chateau Thames Embankment.
>
> Around here we speak of Chateau de Cardboard.
We used to be able to call it Chateau Screwtop, but alas, the venerable cork is not the guarantor of quality it once was. Ah well. That's the way the cork crumbles....
> On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:23:57 -0500, Horace LaBadie
> <hlab...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <mc37hp$mj2$1...@dont-email.me>,
> > Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On 16/02/15 06:15, Helen Lacedaemonian wrote:
> >> > On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 10:05:03 AM UTC-8, Richard Tobin wrote:
> >> >> In article <8123a4b8-23e6-4a32...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> >> Helen Lacedaemonian <helenofs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>> "jenniver": probably invented - does it suggest "juniper" to you as a
> >> >>>> source?
> >> >>
> >> >>> "Jenever" is Dutch for gin.
> >> >>
> >> >> And used to be English for it. "Gin" was originally a contraction.
> >> >
> >> > Ah, like "sack" from "vin sec."
> >> >
> >> > I suppose names for alcoholic beverages have a natural tendency to
> >> > contract. So that one can still utter them after the first few rounds.
> >>
> >> Or "plonk" from "vin blanc". That's a strange one, at least in AusE,
> >> because cheap plonk is just as likely to be red wine.
> >
> >What Horace Rumpole (of the Bailey) called Chateau Thames Embankment.
>
> Around here we speak of Chateau de Cardboard.
Best,
Helen
James Hogg
Feb 19, 2015, 12:57:17 AM2/19/15
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Steve Hayes wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:23:57 -0500, Horace LaBadie
> <hlab...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <mc37hp$mj2$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 16/02/15 06:15, Helen Lacedaemonian wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 10:05:03 AM UTC-8, Richard Tobin wrote:
>>>>> In article <8123a4b8-23e6-4a32...@googlegroups.com>,
>>>>> Helen Lacedaemonian <helenofs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> "jenniver": probably invented - does it suggest "juniper" to you as a
>>>>>>> source?
>>>>>> "Jenever" is Dutch for gin.
>>>>> And used to be English for it. "Gin" was originally a contraction.
>>>> Ah, like "sack" from "vin sec."
>>>>
>>>> I suppose names for alcoholic beverages have a natural tendency to
>>>> contract. So that one can still utter them after the first few rounds.
>>> Or "plonk" from "vin blanc". That's a strange one, at least in AusE,
>>> because cheap plonk is just as likely to be red wine.
>> What Horace Rumpole (of the Bailey) called Chateau Thames Embankment.
>
> Around here we speak of Chateau de Cardboard.
And in Sweden, where cardboard is "papp", a lot of people drink
> On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:23:57 -0500, Horace LaBadie
> <hlab...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <mc37hp$mj2$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 16/02/15 06:15, Helen Lacedaemonian wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 10:05:03 AM UTC-8, Richard Tobin wrote:
>>>>> In article <8123a4b8-23e6-4a32...@googlegroups.com>,
>>>>> Helen Lacedaemonian <helenofs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> "jenniver": probably invented - does it suggest "juniper" to you as a
>>>>>>> source?
>>>>>> "Jenever" is Dutch for gin.
>>>>> And used to be English for it. "Gin" was originally a contraction.
>>>> Ah, like "sack" from "vin sec."
>>>>
>>>> I suppose names for alcoholic beverages have a natural tendency to
>>>> contract. So that one can still utter them after the first few rounds.
>>> Or "plonk" from "vin blanc". That's a strange one, at least in AusE,
>>> because cheap plonk is just as likely to be red wine.
>> What Horace Rumpole (of the Bailey) called Chateau Thames Embankment.
>
> Around here we speak of Chateau de Cardboard.
Chāteauneuf-du-Papp.
--
James
charles
Feb 19, 2015, 4:52:11 AM2/19/15
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> On 16/02/15 06:15, Helen Lacedaemonian wrote:
> > On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 10:05:03 AM UTC-8, Richard Tobin wrote:
> >> In article <8123a4b8-23e6-4a32...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> Helen Lacedaemonian <helenofs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> "jenniver": probably invented - does it suggest "juniper" to you as
> >>>> a source?
> >>
> >>> "Jenever" is Dutch for gin.
> >>
> >> And used to be English for it. "Gin" was originally a contraction.
> >
> > Ah, like "sack" from "vin sec."
> >
> > I suppose names for alcoholic beverages have a natural tendency to
> > contract. So that one can still utter them after the first few rounds.
> Or "plonk" from "vin blanc". That's a strange one, at least in AusE,
> because cheap plonk is just as likely to be red wine.
ah yes : "kangarouge"
> > On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 10:05:03 AM UTC-8, Richard Tobin wrote:
> >> In article <8123a4b8-23e6-4a32...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> Helen Lacedaemonian <helenofs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> "jenniver": probably invented - does it suggest "juniper" to you as
> >>>> a source?
> >>
> >>> "Jenever" is Dutch for gin.
> >>
> >> And used to be English for it. "Gin" was originally a contraction.
> >
> > Ah, like "sack" from "vin sec."
> >
> > I suppose names for alcoholic beverages have a natural tendency to
> > contract. So that one can still utter them after the first few rounds.
> Or "plonk" from "vin blanc". That's a strange one, at least in AusE,
> because cheap plonk is just as likely to be red wine.
Richard Tobin
Feb 19, 2015, 5:20:04 AM2/19/15
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In article <2bfd10d2-061e-47b7...@googlegroups.com>,
bottles. Screw tops are a great improvement.
-- Richard
Helen Lacedaemonian <helenofs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>We used to be able to call it Chateau Screwtop, but alas, the venerable
>cork is not the guarantor of quality it once was.
It never was in my memory. I used to throw away about 1 in 10
>We used to be able to call it Chateau Screwtop, but alas, the venerable
>cork is not the guarantor of quality it once was.
bottles. Screw tops are a great improvement.
-- Richard
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