Hey Ho Anthony Rowley?
Sue
begins:
A frog he would a-wooing go, hey ho Anthony Rowley.
I know this has nothing at all to do with English usage but I don't know
where else to ask and I live in a non-English-speaking country so find it
hard to research such things myself.
TIA
Sue
--
Against the disease of writing one must take special precautions, since it
is a dangerous and contagious disease.
Letter No. 8 to Heloise from Peter Abelard (1079-1142)
Brian J Goggin
>Does anyone know the words to the children's song which -- I think --
>begins:
>A frog he would a-wooing go, hey ho Anthony Rowley.
Try
http://maki.simplenet.com/dmm/frog/caldecot.htm
bjg
Donna Richoux
> Does anyone know the words to the children's song which -- I think --
> begins:
> A frog he would a-wooing go, hey ho Anthony Rowley.
> I know this has nothing at all to do with English usage but I don't know
> where else to ask
There are some good databases of song lyrics on the web. Try
Digital Tradition (folk music)
http://www.deltablues.com/dbsearch.html
or
http://www.lyrics.ch
The song you ask about is a well-known old folk song, and has many
versions. The version I like does not have the "Rowley, powley gammon
and spinach" but a refrain:
Here's to Cheshire, here's to cheese
Here's to the pear and the apple trees
And here's to the red ripe strawberries
Ding dang dong go the wedding bells.
Best wishes --- Donna Richoux
N.Mitchum
------
> Does anyone know the words to the children's song which -- I think --
> begins:
> A frog he would a-wooing go, hey ho Anthony Rowley.
At first I was sure you had got it very wrong. To me it looked
like the song with the line (and possibly title) "Froggy went
a-courtin, uh-huh."
But now I see that several people have found versions of your
lyric ... whereas I find no confirmation of my own, though
admittedly I spent little time trying. Does anyone know the song
I seem to remember?
----NM [If replying by e-mail, please heed my address]
Joseph C Fineman
>The song you ask about is a well-known old folk song, and has many
>versions.
Yes indeed! There are published versions dating from the 16th
century. Another version, and some notes, can be found in Baring-
Gould's _Annotated Mother Goose_, pp. 77-78.
--- Joe Fineman j...@world.std.com
||: The tragedy is not what we suffer, but what we miss. :||
nancy g.
> At first I was sure you had got it very wrong. To me it looked
> like the song with the line (and possibly title) "Froggy went
> a-courtin, uh-huh."
>
> But now I see that several people have found versions of your
> lyric ... whereas I find no confirmation of my own, though
> admittedly I spent little time trying. Does anyone know the song
> I seem to remember?
I seem to remember it too. Wasn't it by the Brothers Four?
And didn't it go something like this?
"Froggy went a-courtin' and he did ride, uh-huh
Froggy went a-courtin' and he did ride, uh-huh
Froggy went a-courtin' and he did ride,
(something-something mumble-mumble) at his side,
Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh."
nancy g.
who was very young at the time, of course.
nancy g.
> At first I was sure you had got it very wrong. To me it looked
> like the song with the line (and possibly title) "Froggy went
> a-courtin, uh-huh."
>
> But now I see that several people have found versions of your
> lyric ... whereas I find no confirmation of my own, though
> admittedly I spent little time trying. Does anyone know the song
> I seem to remember?
I've already posted one reply in which I said I thought it was
the Brothers Four ... some subsequent searching proves that is
indeed who it was. The lyrics are available on the web at
http://www.summer.com.br/~pfilho/html/main_index/index.html
I found them by searching for the Brothers Four, not by the
song title. The reason this particular version of the song didn't
show up on any searches by title is that they call it "Frogg"
rather than "Froggy."
nancy g
who hasn't thought of that song in *decades*
Peter Moylan
>Sue wrote:
>------
>> Does anyone know the words to the children's song which -- I think --
>> begins:
>> A frog he would a-wooing go, hey ho Anthony Rowley.
>>.....
>
>like the song with the line (and possibly title) "Froggy went
>a-courtin, uh-huh."
>
>But now I see that several people have found versions of your
>lyric ... whereas I find no confirmation of my own, though
>admittedly I spent little time trying. Does anyone know the song
>I seem to remember?
A frog went a-courtin' and he did go, ah-hum
A frog went a-courtin' and he did go, ah-hum
A frog went a-courtin' and he did go
To the Coconut Grove for the midnight show
Ah-hum, ah-hum, ah-hum.
Molly Mouse was the hat-check girl, woo woo
Molly Mouse was the hat-check girl, woo woo
Molly Mouse was the hat-check girl
He thought, "I'll give this chick a whirl"
Ah-hum, ah-hum, ah-hum.
So he sauntered up to Molly Mouse's side, ah-hum
He sauntered up to Molly Mouse's side, ah-hum
He sauntered up to Molly Mouse's side
And said, "Miss Molly, will you be my bride?"
Ah-hum, ah-hum, ah-hum.
Not without my Uncle Rat's consent, oh no
Not without my Uncle Rat's consent, oh no
Not without my Uncle Rat's consent
I wouldn't marry the president
Ah-hum, ah-hum, ah-hum.
So that's it, Clyde, better hit the road, farewell
That's it, Clyde, better hit the road, goodbye
That's it, Clyde, better hit the road
You ain't no frog, you're a horny toad
Farewell, goodbyte, adios.
(Of course, this is not necessarily the version you're
thinking of.)
--
Peter Moylan pe...@ee.newcastle.edu.au
Fred Louder
Frog went a-courtin', he did ride,
Sword and pistol at his side, um-hum...
...and so forth. Could be "uh-huh," too. Should be available in just about
any anthology of American folk songs. Recorded by Burl Ives, John Jacob
Niles and many other folk singers over the past 50 years.
Incidentally, the late, great Walt Kelly delightfully illustrated the
"High-ho [hey-ho], Anthony Rowley" version of the song--reprinted, I think,
in one of the large "Pogo" anthologies.
Fred Louder
N.Mitchum wrote in message <360946...@removeme.lafn.org>...
>Sue wrote:
>------
>> Does anyone know the words to the children's song which -- I think --
>> begins:
>> A frog he would a-wooing go, hey ho Anthony Rowley.
>>.....
>
>At first I was sure you had got it very wrong. To me it looked
>like the song with the line (and possibly title) "Froggy went
>a-courtin, uh-huh."
>
>But now I see that several people have found versions of your
>lyric ... whereas I find no confirmation of my own, though
>admittedly I spent little time trying. Does anyone know the song
>I seem to remember?
>
>
N.Mitchum
------
> > At first I was sure you had got it very wrong. To me it looked
> > like the song with the line (and possibly title) "Froggy went
> > a-courtin, uh-huh."
> >
> > But now I see that several people have found versions of your
> > lyric ... whereas I find no confirmation of my own, though
> > admittedly I spent little time trying. Does anyone know the song
> > I seem to remember?
>
> the Brothers Four ... some subsequent searching proves that is
> indeed who it was. The lyrics are available on the web
My thanks to you and the other kind people who filled in my
memory. I'd begun to think I had invented the lines. Someone
else mentioned Burl Ives: it was his voice I had in my head.
Joseph C Fineman
> Froggy went a-courtin' and he did ride,
> (something-something mumble-mumble) at his side,
Sword and pistol...
For the future: A better venue for this sort of query is
rec.music.folk. There, it can set off a veritable avalanche of
amusing misinformation.
--- Joe Fineman j...@world.std.com
||: By _disillusionment_ we mean _transillusionment_. :||
etaoin shrdlu
>
> N.Mitchum wrote:
>
> > At first I was sure you had got it very wrong. To me it looked
> > like the song with the line (and possibly title) "Froggy went
> > a-courtin, uh-huh."
> >
> > But now I see that several people have found versions of your
> > lyric ... whereas I find no confirmation of my own, though
> > admittedly I spent little time trying. Does anyone know the song
> > I seem to remember?
>
> And didn't it go something like this?
>
> Froggy went a-courtin' and he did ride, uh-huh
> Froggy went a-courtin' and he did ride,
> (something-something mumble-mumble) at his side,
(sword and pistol)
>
> nancy g.
He rode right to Miss Mousie's den, uh hum- uh hum
He rode right to Miss Mousie's den, uh hum- uh hum
He rode right to Miss Mousie's den
Said, "Miss Mousie, are you within?" uh hum- uh hum
BD
John Davies
writes
>N.Mitchum wrote:
>
>
>> At first I was sure you had got it very wrong. To me it looked
>> like the song with the line (and possibly title) "Froggy went
>> a-courtin, uh-huh."
>>
>> But now I see that several people have found versions of your
>> lyric ... whereas I find no confirmation of my own, though
>> admittedly I spent little time trying. Does anyone know the song
>> I seem to remember?
>
>
>I seem to remember it too. Wasn't it by the Brothers Four?
>And didn't it go something like this?
>
> "Froggy went a-courtin' and he did ride, uh-huh
> Froggy went a-courtin' and he did ride, uh-huh
> Froggy went a-courtin' and he did ride,
> (something-something mumble-mumble) at his side,
I believe Burl Ives also recorded this version.
--
John Davies (jo...@redwoods.demon.co.uk)
DK
>Sue wrote:
>------
>> Does anyone know the words to the children's song which -- I think --
>> begins:
>> A frog he would a-wooing go, hey ho Anthony Rowley.
>>.....
>
>like the song with the line (and possibly title) "Froggy went
>a-courtin, uh-huh."
>
>But now I see that several people have found versions of your
>lyric ... whereas I find no confirmation of my own, though
>admittedly I spent little time trying. Does anyone know the song
>I seem to remember?
>
>
I know both *Froggie Went A-Courtin', Uh-huh* AND *Froggie Went A-Courtin',
Rinctum Body Mitchacambo* (sp?)! Sam Hinton sings a number of versions of
this song, which I just know has been collected somewhere in at least most
of it's glory. Persevere in searching!
--Katrina
DK
no idea how one is *supposed* to spell al the nonsense, but I've written how
it sounds. I may have forgotten a verse.
--Katrina
Froggy Went a Courtin'and he did ride
Rinctum body mitchacambo
Sword and pistol by his side
Rinctum body mitchacambo
Kee-mo, ki-mo, dominic-a-rhyme-o
Keemo-ki-mo neer-o
Straddalattalattalattabobbalattabobbalinctum
Rinctum body mitchacambo
He rode up to Miss Mousie's Door
Rinctum body mitchacambo
Where he'd often been before
Rinctum body mitchacambo
Kee-mo, ki-mo, dominic-a-rhyme-o
Keemo-ki-mo neer-o
Straddalattalattalattabobbalattalinctum
Rinctum body mitchacambo
He took Miss Mousie on his knee
Rinctum body mitchacambo
And said pretty thing will you marry me
Rinctum body mitchacambo
Kee-mo, ki-mo, dominic-a-rhyme-o
Keemo-ki-mo neer-o
Straddalattalattalattabobbalattabobbalinctum
Rinctum body mitchacambo
Miss Mouse said "Sir, I can't do that
Rinctum body mitchacambo
Until I ask my uncle rat."
Rinctum body mitchacambo
Kee-mo, ki-mo, dominic-a-rhyme-o
Keemo-ki-mo neer-o
Straddalattalattalattabobbalattabobbalinctum
Rinctum body mitchacambo
Uncle Rat laughed and shook his side
Rinctum body mitchacambo
To think of Miss Mousie being a bride
Rinctum body mitchacambo
Kee-mo, ki-mo, dominic-a-rhyme-o
Keemo-ki-mo neer-o
Straddalattalattalattabobbalattabobbalinctum
Rinctum body mitchacambo
What will the wedding supper be?
Rinctum body mitchacambo
Two green beans and a black eyed pea.
Rinctum body mitchacambo
Kee-mo, ki-mo, dominic-a-rhyme-o
Keemo-ki-mo neer-o
Straddalattalattalattabobbalattabobbalinctum
Rinctum body mitchacambo
Orne Batmagoo
"DK" <cooper17...@xs4all.nl> writes:
> For what it's worth, here's the silliest version I know of this song. I have
> no idea how one is *supposed* to spell al the nonsense, but I've written how
> it sounds.
The version I learnt was very similarly silly (my favorite!), but Froggy had a
"sword and buckler" by his side, rather than a "sword and pistol".
This is how I remember the "proper" spellings for the nonsense chorus of my
version, which I presume to be an American version of the song, because of its
reference to Cairo, a town in Illinois (pronounced "KAY-roe"):
Kee-man-ee-ro, down to Cairo; kee-ma-nee-ro, Cairo.
Straddle-addle-addle-bobble-addle-bobolink-tum,
Rinktum body minchy cambo.
Of course, due to the "folk process" it's tough to say whether the version I
learnt is any more authentic than Katrina's:
> Kee-mo, ki-mo, dominic-a-rhyme-o
> Keemo-ki-mo neer-o
In any case, I suspect that different perfomers may each have had idiosyncratic
ways of singing the nonsense part.
I note that "bobolink" is a type of bird, and Cairo ("KAY-roe") is a real town.
There is also a type of Native American weapon for hurling a spear, called an
"addle-addle" so "Straddle addle-addle" would have had an actual meaning to
early settlers. Not that any of the tune _has_ to have a meaning, but it might
have been funnier to them than to us, and it might have seemed to have some
slight sense to it.
The meter (rythm) of this tune is "in two" (2 beats per measure) and conjures
up a comic image of a rider bouncing up and down on his ?horse?, lanky limbs
and martial gear flailing in all directions to the beat of "Straddle-addle-
addle-bobble-addle-bobolink-tum". That would certainly be enough to addle a
bobolink.
> I may have forgotten a verse.
Or seventeen.
--
Orne Batmagoo
Hmmm, maybe it's a riddle. "Froggy Went a Courtin'and he did ride..."
Ride what? A bobolink, I suppose.
Robert Bryan Lipton
Orne Batmagoo wrote in message <6uh3r2$6nns$1...@news.doit.wisc.edu>...
>
>There is also a type of Native American weapon for hurling a spear, called
an
>"addle-addle" so "Straddle addle-addle" would have had an actual meaning to
>early settlers. Not that any of the tune _has_ to have a meaning, but it
might
>have been funnier to them than to us, and it might have seemed to have some
>slight sense to it.
The 'atl-atl' is a word of Nahuatl origin.... say, Aztec or further south.
To propose that 'saddle-addle-addle' is derived from the atl-atl and not
simple reduplication of 'saddle' is pushing it, don't you think?
Bob
Joseph C Fineman
> Kee-man-ee-ro, down to Cairo; kee-ma-nee-ro, Cairo.
> Straddle-addle-addle-bobble-addle-bobolink-tum,
> Rinktum body minchy cambo.
A possibly related song that my mother used to sing:
There was a frog lived in a spring,
With a ring tang ponny once a kymie oh.
He had such a cold that he could not sing,
With a ring tang ponny once a kymie oh.
Kymo Karo, gilto narrow
Kymo Karo kymo,
With a strim stram pomma diddle lair upon a ring.
With a ring tang ponny once a kymie oh.
I always assumed that Karo was the corn syrup, but perhaps it's Cairo
after all.
--- Joe Fineman j...@world.std.com
||: Dying isn't so bad. It's being buried that gets you down. :||
DK
had a
>"sword and buckler" by his side, rather than a "sword and pistol".
>This is how I remember the "proper" spellings for the nonsense chorus of my
>version, which I presume to be an American version of the song, because of
its
>reference to Cairo, a town in Illinois (pronounced "KAY-roe"):
> Straddle-addle-addle-bobble-addle-bobolink-tum,
> Rinktum body minchy cambo.
I suspect this of actually *being* the one I grew up with... except for the
pistol... I could well have heard these lines as the ones I wrote in my
post.
>In any case, I suspect that different perfomers may each have had
idiosyncratic
>ways of singing the nonsense part.
I suspect this should be more of a certainty than a suspicion.
--Katrina
John Holmes
Joseph C Fineman wrote in message ...
>A possibly related song that my mother used to sing:
>
> There was a frog lived in a spring,
> With a ring tang ponny once a kymie oh.
> He had such a cold that he could not sing,
> With a ring tang ponny once a kymie oh.
>
> Kymo Karo, gilto narrow
> Kymo Karo kymo,
> With a strim stram pomma diddle lair upon a ring.
> With a ring tang ponny once a kymie oh.
That sounds a lot like one of Rambling Sid Rumpo's songs. I'm sure many
of the UK readers will remember him ( aka Kenneth Williams?) and his
contributions to the language in the radio programme 'Round The Horne'.
Was he
ever heard on radio or record in the US?
Michael Quinion has a piece on his website [1] relating to Rambling Sid
and
the origin of the word 'nadgers' at:
http://www.quinion.demon.co.uk/words/articles/nadgers.htm
To quote part of it:
=============================================================
Here is a typical Rumpo song, from the show first broadcast on 22 May
1967:
What shall we do with the drunken nurker,
What shall we do with the drunken nurker,
What shall we do with the drunken nurker,
He's bending his cordwangle.
Hit him in the nadgers with the bosun's plunger,
Slap him on the grummitt with a wrought iron lunger,
Cuff him in the moolies with the Captain's grunger -
Till his bodgers dangle.
There are many other examples of the use of nadgers from the shows, such
as the song to the tune of Foggy Foggy Dew which Rambling Sid began
"When I was a young man / I nadgered my snod / as I nurked at the
wogglers trade".
============end quote=========================================
Not all of Sid's songs were as nautical as that one, but they all played
on obscure and nonsense words in folk songs.
[1] World Wide Words appears to be under some kind of reorganization at
the moment. I couldn't get a lot of the links to work. Does anyone know
what is happening there?
Regards,
John.
hol...@smart.net.au
email copies of any replies would be appreciated.
lizzie.w...@gmail.com
> Does anyone know the words to the children's song which -- I think --
> begins:
> A frog he would a-wooing go, hey ho Anthony Rowley.
> hard to research such things myself.
> TIA
> Sue
> --
> Against the disease of writing one must take special precautions, since it
> is a dangerous and contagious disease.
> Letter No. 8 to Heloise from Peter Abelard (1079-1142)
Jack Campin
> -- I think -- begins:
> A frog he would a-wooing go, hey ho Anthony Rowley.
fable of the frog and the mouse. The usual name for it is "Froggie
went a-courting".
I know the version you describe a bit differently - "hey ho said
Rowley", which scans better. "Old Rowley" was a nickname for King
Charles II, which may or may not be relevant. Versions in English
without the name "Rowley" are much older, e.g. the one printed by
Thomas Ravenscroft around 1600.
Lots of links here:
http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=1155
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erilar
> On Wednesday, 23 September 1998 08:00:00 UTC+1, Sue wrote:
> > Does anyone know the words to the children's song which -- I think --
> > begins:
> > A frog he would a-wooing go, hey ho Anthony Rowley.
> > I know this has nothing at all to do with English usage but I don't know
> > where else to ask and I live in a non-English-speaking country so find it
> > hard to research such things myself.
> > TIA
> > Sue
Anthony Rowley in it, but I remember an Anthony Rowley song from a
long-ago Pogo comic strip (OK, it's in a Pogo book thereof which I own)
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
musika
a-courting" and "A frog he would a-wooing go" are two different songs.
--
Ray
UK
erilar
> Apart from the fact that this post is from 1998, "Froggy went
> a-courting" and "A frog he would a-wooing go" are two different songs.
songs exist in various versions if they have folk origins. If one of
these has an actual composer/lyricist, I am unaware of ti.
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
Charles Bishop
them. It's not as if a consensus was reached the first time, I trow.
And, there may be newer people here now (<cough>) who enjoy the thread
even if the originating post is from days of yore.
--
charles
Steve Hayes
wrote:
it was about.
It's when people top post, or reply without quoting at all, that it becomes
antisocial and incomprehensible.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
jwend...@gmail.com
Heigh ho! says Rowley,
A frog he would a-wooing go,
Whether his mother would let him or no.
With a rowley, powley, gammon, and spinach,
Heigh ho! says Anthony Rowley.
So off he set with his opera hat,
Heigh ho! says Rowley,
So off he set with his opera hat,
And on the road he met with a rat,
With a rowley, powley, gammon, and spinach,
Heigh ho! says Anthony Rowley.
Pray, Mr. Rat will you go with me?
Heigh ho! says Rowley,
Pray, Mr. Rat will you go with me,
Kind Mrs. Mousey for to see...
With a rowley, powley, gammon, and spinach,
Heigh ho! says Anthony Rowley.
They came to the door of Mousey's hall,
Heigh ho! says Rowley,
They gave a loud knock, and they gave a loud call.
With a rowley, powley, gammon, and spinach,
Heigh ho! says Anthony Rowley.
Pray, Mrs. Mouse are you within?
Heigh ho! says Rowley,
Oh yes, kind sirs, I'm sitting to spin.
With a rowley, powley, gammon, and spinach,
Heigh ho! says Anthony Rowley.
Pray, Mrs. Mouse will you give us some beer?
Heigh ho! says Rowley,
For Froggy and I are fond of good cheer.
With a rowley, powley, gammon, and spinach,
Heigh ho! says Anthony Rowley.
Pray, Mr. Frog will you give us a song?
Heigh ho! says Rowley,
Let it be something that's not very long.
With a rowley, powley, gammon, and spinach,
Heigh ho! says Anthony Rowley.
Indeed, Mrs. Mouse, replied Mr. Frog,
Heigh ho! says Rowley,
A cold has made me as hoarse as a dog.
With a rowley, powley, gammon, and spinach,
Heigh ho! says Anthony Rowley.
Since you have a cold, Mr. Frog, Mousey said,
Heigh ho! says Rowley,
I'll sing you a song that I've just made.
With a rowley, powley, gammon, and spinach,
Heigh ho! says Anthony Rowley.
But while they were all a-merry-making
Heigh ho! says Rowley,
But while they were all a-merry-making
A cat and her kittens came tumbling in.
With a rowley, powley, gammon, and spinach,
Heigh ho! says Anthony Rowley.
The cat she seized the rat by the crown,
Heigh ho! says Rowley,
The cat she seized the rat by the crown,
The kittens they pulled the little mouse down.
With a rowley, powley, gammon, and spinach,
Heigh ho! says Anthony Rowley.
This put Mr. Frog in a terrible fright,
Heigh ho! says Rowley.
This put Mr. Frog in a terrible fright,
He took up his hat and he wished them goodnight.
With a rowley, powley, gammon, and spinach,
Heigh ho! says Anthony Rowley.
But as Froggy was crossing over a brook,
Heigh ho! says Rowley.
But as Froggy was crossing over a brook,
A lily white duck came and gobbled him up.
With a rowley, powley, gammon, and spinach,
Heigh ho! says Anthony Rowley.
So that was the end of 1, 2, 3
Heigh ho! says Rowley.
So that was the end of 1, 2, 3.
The rat, the frog and Mrs. Mousy.
With a rowley, powley, gammon, and spinach,
Heigh ho! says Anthony Rowley.
Athel Cornish-Bowden
And your point about usage is … ?
--
athel
Peter Moylan
person is still hanging around waiting for the answer.
I'm getting closer to a decision to block everything that comes from
Google Groups.
--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia
occam
> On 2015-Dec-09 18:35, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>> On 2015-12-09 02:40:15 +0000, jwend...@gmail.com said:
>>
>>> A frog he would a-wooing go,
>>> Heigh ho! says Rowley,...
>>
>> And your point about usage is … ?
>
> It answers a question someone posed in 1998. It's not clear whether that
> person is still hanging around waiting for the answer.
>
<title>'. This one is appears (at least on my newsreader) as a new post.
Blocking all Google Groups posters is a bit like ignoring everyone who
lives outside your gated community.
Bertel Lund Hansen
> Hmm. Normally replies, even to very old emails, come with a 'Re:
> <title>'. This one is appears (at least on my newsreader) as a new post.
subject line. But if you turn on the display of headers, you will
see this line:
In-Reply-To: <6uaaag$4rv$1...@news2.xs4all.nl>#1/1>
which reveal that it is in fact an answer.
> Blocking all Google Groups posters is a bit like ignoring
> everyone who lives outside your gated community.
not overwhelm the group, I don't see them as a problem.
--
Bertel, Kolt, Denmark
occam
> occam skrev:
>
>> Hmm. Normally replies, even to very old emails, come with a 'Re:
>> <title>'. This one is appears (at least on my newsreader) as a new post.
>
> It does on all newsreaders because the poster has edited the
> subject line.
running out of fresh ideas.
Peter Moylan
> On 09/12/2015 09:36, Peter Moylan wrote:
>> On 2015-Dec-09 18:35, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>> On 2015-12-09 02:40:15 +0000, jwend...@gmail.com said:
>>>
>>>> A frog he would a-wooing go,
>>>> Heigh ho! says Rowley,...
>>>
>>> And your point about usage is … ?
>>
>> It answers a question someone posed in 1998. It's not clear whether that
>> person is still hanging around waiting for the answer.
>
> Hmm. Normally replies, even to very old emails, come with a 'Re:
> <title>'. This one is appears (at least on my newsreader) as a new post.
people with small screens. It has two special features:
-- it doesn't quote what is being replied to;
-- it strips out the "Re:" from the subject line.
I haven't kept track of whether the "Re" removal is consistent, but I've
certainly noticed it a few times.
> Blocking all Google Groups posters is a bit like ignoring everyone who
> lives outside your gated community.
community.
On the other hand, I do agree with Bertel's comment: now and then they
inject a bit of humour into the group.
Stan Brown
> It answers a question someone posed in 1998. It's not clear whether that
> person is still hanging around waiting for the answer.
>
> I'm getting closer to a decision to block everything that comes from
> Google Groups.
regretted it for a moment.
--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://BrownMath.com/
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
"The difference between the /almost right/ word and the
/right/ word is ... the difference between the lightning-bug
and the lightning." --Mark Twain
Stan Brown
> Blocking all Google Groups posters is a bit like ignoring everyone who
> lives outside your gated community.
>
bad area of town. There are undoubtedly some good people who live
there, but I don't like the odds.
Athel Cornish-Bowden
> On Wed, 09 Dec 2015 19:36:51 +1100, Peter Moylan wrote:
>> It answers a question someone posed in 1998. It's not clear whether that
>> person is still hanging around waiting for the answer.
>>
>> I'm getting closer to a decision to block everything that comes from
>> Google Groups.
>
> You have far more patience than I. I did it years ago, and haven't
> regretted it for a moment.
people who post from Google Groups. I'm not sure if he still does, when
he posts at all, but within living memory Mike Lyle used Google Groups.
--
athel
Peter T. Daniels
> On 09/12/2015 09:36, Peter Moylan wrote:
> > On 2015-Dec-09 18:35, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> >> On 2015-12-09 02:40:15 +0000, jwend...@gmail.com said:
> >>> A frog he would a-wooing go,
> >>> Heigh ho! says Rowley,...
> > person is still hanging around waiting for the answer.
>
> Hmm. Normally replies, even to very old emails, come with a 'Re:
> <title>'. This one is appears (at least on my newsreader) as a new post.
> Blocking all Google Groups posters is a bit like ignoring everyone who
> lives outside your gated community.
curmudgeons yelling the equivalent of "Get off my lawn!" at the neighbor kids?
Peter T. Daniels
> On Wed, 09 Dec 2015 19:36:51 +1100, Peter Moylan wrote:
> > It answers a question someone posed in 1998. It's not clear whether that
> > person is still hanging around waiting for the answer.
> > I'm getting closer to a decision to block everything that comes from
> > Google Groups.
>
> You have far more patience than I. I did it years ago, and haven't
> regretted it for a moment.
Adam Funk
> Haven't you noticed that AUE is populated almost entirely by elderly
> curmudgeons yelling the equivalent of "Get off my lawn!" at the neighbor kids?
--
Physics is like sex. Sure, it may give some practical results, but
that's not why we do it. --- Richard Feynman
David Kleinecke
> On Wed, 09 Dec 2015 19:36:51 +1100, Peter Moylan wrote:
> > It answers a question someone posed in 1998. It's not clear whether that
> > person is still hanging around waiting for the answer.
> >
> > I'm getting closer to a decision to block everything that comes from
> > Google Groups.
>
> You have far more patience than I. I did it years ago, and haven't
> regretted it for a moment.
And missing all my wonderful posts!
Robert Bannister
ungrocerly validity of "neighbor kids".
--
Robert Bannister
Perth, Western Australia
Joy Beeson
<athe...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Without exceptions? There are some useful (but possibly ill advised)
> people who post from Google Groups.
messages out of the wastebasket when there's a false positive.
Haven't banned GG yet; barring individual trashers has done the job so
far. Author filters don't work on "training" spam, but they are easy
enough to skip that I haven't bothered to make a more-complicated
filter.
--
Joy Beeson, U.S.A., mostly central Hoosier,
some Northern Indiana, Upstate New York, Florida, and Hawaii
joy beeson at comcast dot net http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
The above message is a Usenet post.
I don't recall having given anyone permission to use it on a Web site.
Peter T. Daniels
live next door.
Lewis
> On Wed, 9 Dec 2015 14:28:07 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
> <athe...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> Without exceptions? There are some useful (but possibly ill advised)
>> people who post from Google Groups.
> All my filters are "mark read" rather than "delete" so that I can fish
> messages out of the wastebasket when there's a false positive.
> Haven't banned GG yet; barring individual trashers has done the job so
> far. Author filters don't work on "training" spam, but they are easy
> enough to skip that I haven't bothered to make a more-complicated
> filter.
out a massive amount of crap.
--
Train Station: where the train stops. Work Station: ...
Bertel Lund Hansen
> I kill all posts from GG that are not replies to other posts. That cuts
> out a massive amount of crap.
that you find answers acceptable but not original threads.
--
Bertel, Kolt, Denmark
occam
> On Wed, 9 Dec 2015 14:28:07 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
> <athe...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Without exceptions? There are some useful (but possibly ill advised)
>> people who post from Google Groups.
>
> All my filters are "mark read" rather than "delete" so that I can fish
> messages out of the wastebasket when there's a false positive.
>
similar technique, by 'greying-out' suspect emails, rendering them less
prominent and easier to ignore.
occam
Bertel Lund Hansen
> He'll see your post now.
--
Bertel, Kolt, Denmark
Stan Brown
keeps."
Oliver Cromm
skip over them, because they are colored green. That's a warning
sign I mark users of Google Groups *and* a gmail address with, a
combination that's frequent in spam.
--
Press any key to continue or any other key to quit.
Oliver Cromm
> Blocking all Google Groups posters is a bit like ignoring everyone who
> lives outside your gated community.
--
There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is
to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies.
And the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no
obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult.
-- C. A. R. Hoare
Oliver Cromm
are spam, e.g. all the Online Training ads from India.
Plus, in a high-volume group like this one, false positives
(filtered good messages) may be more acceptable than false
negatives (crap that shows up).
--
Pentiums melt in your PC, not in your hand.
David Kleinecke
> * occam:
>
> > Blocking all Google Groups posters is a bit like ignoring everyone who
> > lives outside your gated community.
>
> Strange comparison, Google is the gated community.
googlemail.com
which is not Google.
Lewis
posts are so very often spam it's not worth letting them through.
--
There's nothing to do, so you just stay in bed [ah, poor thing] Why live
in the world when you can live in your head?
Robert Bannister
Peter T. Daniels
> Replies are more often legitimate posts to legitimate threads. Initial
> posts are so very often spam it's not worth letting them through.
far more than I do? I.e., about two offers for "online training" from India
a day, and occasionally something else of that sort?
Peter T. Daniels
collocation") are very common.
Robert Bannister
street". Nothing wrong with noun-noun, but I don't think I can make one
starting with "neighbour", although I'm not sure why.
Rich Ulrich
probably a careful choice.
"The neighborhood kids" would include more than the nearest
three or four houses. The smaller number is what I get from
"neighbor kids".
"The neighbor's kids" would unnecessarily bring to mind the
adults, too.
--
Rich Ulrich
Bertel Lund Hansen
> I don't know about Lewis' motivations, but many GG thread starters
> are spam, e.g. all the Online Training ads from India.
contains at least two of Best, MSBI, Online and Training, the
message is deleted.
Apart from that I get the odd list of cheap, illegal copies but
not enough to make it necessary to filter them.
--
Bertel, Kolt, Denmark
Oliver Cromm
--
Bill Gates working as a waiter:
- Waiter, there's a fly in my soup
- Try again, maybe it won't be there this time
Robert Bannister
shulam...@live.de
> A frog he would a-wooing go,
> Heigh ho! says Rowley,
> A frog he would a-wooing go,
> With a rowley, powley, gammon, and spinach,
> Heigh ho! says Anthony Rowley.
> So off he set with his opera hat,
> Heigh ho! says Rowley,
> So off he set with his opera hat,
> And on the road he met with a rat,
> With a rowley, powley, gammon, and spinach,
> Heigh ho! says Anthony Rowley.
> Pray, Mr. Rat will you go with me?
> Heigh ho! says Rowley,
> Pray, Mr. Rat will you go with me,
> Kind Mrs. Mousey for to see...
> With a rowley, powley, gammon, and spinach,
> Heigh ho! says Anthony Rowley.
> They came to the door of Mousey's hall,
> Heigh ho! says Rowley,
> They gave a loud knock, and they gave a loud call.
> With a rowley, powley, gammon, and spinach,
> Heigh ho! says Anthony Rowley.
> Pray, Mrs. Mouse are you within?
> Heigh ho! says Rowley,
> Oh yes, kind sirs, I'm sitting to spin.
> With a rowley, powley, gammon, and spinach,
> Heigh ho! says Anthony Rowley.
> Pray, Mrs. Mouse will you give us some beer?
> Heigh ho! says Rowley,
> For Froggy and I are fond of good cheer.
> With a rowley, powley, gammon, and spinach,
> Heigh ho! says Anthony Rowley.
> Pray, Mr. Frog will you give us a song?
> Heigh ho! says Rowley,
> Let it be something that's not very long.
> With a rowley, powley, gammon, and spinach,
> Heigh ho! says Anthony Rowley.
> Indeed, Mrs. Mouse, replied Mr. Frog,
> Heigh ho! says Rowley,
> A cold has made me as hoarse as a dog.
> With a rowley, powley, gammon, and spinach,
> Heigh ho! says Anthony Rowley.
> Since you have a cold, Mr. Frog, Mousey said,
> Heigh ho! says Rowley,
> I'll sing you a song that I've just made.
> With a rowley, powley, gammon, and spinach,
> Heigh ho! says Anthony Rowley.
> But while they were all a-merry-making
> Heigh ho! says Rowley,
> But while they were all a-merry-making
> A cat and her kittens came tumbling in.
> With a rowley, powley, gammon, and spinach,
> Heigh ho! says Anthony Rowley.
> The cat she seized the rat by the crown,
> Heigh ho! says Rowley,
> The cat she seized the rat by the crown,
> The kittens they pulled the little mouse down.
> With a rowley, powley, gammon, and spinach,
> Heigh ho! says Anthony Rowley.
> This put Mr. Frog in a terrible fright,
> Heigh ho! says Rowley.
> This put Mr. Frog in a terrible fright,
> He took up his hat and he wished them goodnight.
> With a rowley, powley, gammon, and spinach,
> Heigh ho! says Anthony Rowley.
> But as Froggy was crossing over a brook,
> Heigh ho! says Rowley.
> But as Froggy was crossing over a brook,
> A lily white duck came and gobbled him up.
> With a rowley, powley, gammon, and spinach,
> Heigh ho! says Anthony Rowley.
> So that was the end of 1, 2, 3
> Heigh ho! says Rowley.
> So that was the end of 1, 2, 3.
> The rat, the frog and Mrs. Mousy.
> With a rowley, powley, gammon, and spinach,
> Heigh ho! says Anthony Rowley.
That's the version I learned from my grandmother :)
Helmut Richter
> On Wednesday, 9 December 2015 03:40:17 UTC+1, jwend...@gmail.com wrote:
>> A frog he would a-wooing go,
>> Heigh ho! says Rowley,
>> A frog he would a-wooing go,
>> Whether his mother would let him or no.
>> With a rowley, powley, gammon, and spinach,
>> Heigh ho! says Anthony Rowley.
Yorkshireman who researches Bavarian languages and cognate languages. I
have met him from time to time but I have never heard him say "Heigh ho!"
See https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Rowley (in German) or
https://bar.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Rowley (in Bavarian). He is
mentioned as a researcher also in the English WP but not with an article
about him, e.g. in
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%B2cheno_language
--
Helmut Richter
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Peter Duncanson [BrE]
>Am 07.04.2016 um 19:48 schrieb shulam...@live.de:
>
>> On Wednesday, 9 December 2015 03:40:17 UTC+1, jwend...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> A frog he would a-wooing go,
>>> Heigh ho! says Rowley,
>>> A frog he would a-wooing go,
>>> Whether his mother would let him or no.
>>> With a rowley, powley, gammon, and spinach,
>>> Heigh ho! says Anthony Rowley.
>
>Is that the well-known (at least in Bavaria) Professor Anthony Rowley, a
>Yorkshireman who researches Bavarian languages and cognate languages. I
>have met him from time to time but I have never heard him say "Heigh ho!"
>
http://www.wordsforlife.org.uk/frog-he-would-wooing-go
A frog he would a-wooing go,
Heigh ho! says Rowley,
A frog he would a-wooing go,
Whether his mother would let him or no.
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Frog_Went_A-Courting
A Frog he would a-wooing go
A variation of Frog Went A-Courting. It is not known who Anthony
Rowley was. The purpose seems to be to satirize the rural gentry
of Suffolk: Rowley, Poley, Bacon and Green were four families of
Suffolk notables.
A Frog he would a wooing go, Heigh-ho, says Rowley,
A Frog he would a-wooing go, Whether his mother would let him or no,
With a Roley, Poley, Gammon and Spinach, Heigh-ho says Anthony
Rowley.
<etc>
>See https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Rowley (in German) or
>https://bar.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Rowley (in Bavarian). He is
>mentioned as a researcher also in the English WP but not with an article
>about him, e.g. in
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%B2cheno_language
--
(in alt.usage.english)
Jack Campin
>>>> Heigh ho! says Rowley,
>>>> A frog he would a-wooing go,
>>>> Whether his mother would let him or no.
>>>> With a rowley, powley, gammon, and spinach,
>>>> Heigh ho! says Anthony Rowley.
>> Is that the well-known (at least in Bavaria) Professor Anthony
>> Rowley, a Yorkshireman who researches Bavarian languages and
>> cognate languages. I have met him from time to time but I have
>> never heard him say "Heigh ho!"
> Not that one. A song:
> http://www.wordsforlife.org.uk/frog-he-would-wooing-go
a different song about him at the time of the Restoration,
"Welcome home Old Rowley". Not sure if he was the same person
as Anthony.
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