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Dingbat

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Jul 20, 2015, 10:40:10 AM7/20/15
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Consider "The Jews are staying in the West Bank."

Does it have different meanings depending on whether Netanyahu says it or Abbas says it?

Does stay have two meanings?
1) to stay is to temporarily reside
2) to stay is to permanently reside, more permanently than "to live"

bosod...@gmail.com

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Jul 20, 2015, 12:57:43 PM7/20/15
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Dear dingbat -- i think you got a typo in your subject line and your Jews mixed up -- ibetcha meant to say the 'difference between stay and alive' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_izvAbhExY

Robert Bannister

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Jul 20, 2015, 8:03:50 PM7/20/15
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Yes.

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Perth, Western Australia

Jerry Friedman

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Jul 20, 2015, 10:39:46 PM7/20/15
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On 7/20/15 8:40 AM, Dingbat wrote:
> Consider "The Jews are staying in the West Bank."
>
> Does it have different meanings depending on whether Netanyahu says it or Abbas says it?

Yes. (Though has Abbas said it? I find it hard to imagine.)

> Does stay have two meanings?
> 1) to stay is to temporarily reside
> 2) to stay is to permanently reside, more permanently than "to live"

I'd say 2 is to permanently be, not necessarily to reside. It's the
same as "This painting is staying in our museum"--we're not sending it
to wherever you think it should go. For people, there's not much
distinction between "be" and "reside" in the long term, but I still
wouldn't define the second "stay" as any version of "reside".

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GordonD

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Jul 21, 2015, 4:35:56 AM7/21/15
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I would.
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Gordon Davie
Edinburgh, Scotland

Athel Cornish-Bowden

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Jul 21, 2015, 6:20:53 AM7/21/15
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Yes, but you're posting from Scotland.


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Janet

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Jul 21, 2015, 2:48:13 PM7/21/15
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In article <d16ej9...@mid.individual.net>, g.d...@btinternet.com
says...
Me too. In Scotland "Where do you stay?" means " where do you
live/reside?"


Janet

Mark Brader

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Jul 21, 2015, 3:12:07 PM7/21/15
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We were asked:
>>>> Consider "The Jews are staying in the West Bank."
....
>>>> Does stay have two meanings?
>>>> 1) to stay is to temporarily reside
>>>> 2) to stay is to permanently reside, more permanently than "to live"

Jerry Friedman wrote:
>>> I'd say 2 is to permanently be, not necessarily to reside. It's the
>>> same as "This painting is staying in our museum"--we're not sending it
>>> to wherever you think it should go. For people, there's not much
>>> distinction between "be" and "reside" in the long term, but I still
>>> wouldn't define the second "stay" as any version of "reside".

Agreed -- usage 2 means to *continue* to be, live, or reside in/at a
particular place.

Gordon Davie:
>> I would.

"Janet":
> Me too. In Scotland "Where do you stay?" means " where do you
> live/reside?"

Well, that's not standard English for the rest of us. Except people
from India. My former co-workers who came from India used to use that
phrase with exactly that meaning.
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Tony Cooper

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Jul 21, 2015, 3:43:31 PM7/21/15
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On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 14:12:04 -0500, m...@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote:

>We were asked:
>>>>> Consider "The Jews are staying in the West Bank."
>....
>>>>> Does stay have two meanings?
>>>>> 1) to stay is to temporarily reside
>>>>> 2) to stay is to permanently reside, more permanently than "to live"
>
>Jerry Friedman wrote:
>>>> I'd say 2 is to permanently be, not necessarily to reside. It's the
>>>> same as "This painting is staying in our museum"--we're not sending it
>>>> to wherever you think it should go. For people, there's not much
>>>> distinction between "be" and "reside" in the long term, but I still
>>>> wouldn't define the second "stay" as any version of "reside".
>
>Agreed -- usage 2 means to *continue* to be, live, or reside in/at a
>particular place.
>
>Gordon Davie:
>>> I would.
>
>"Janet":
>> Me too. In Scotland "Where do you stay?" means " where do you
>> live/reside?"
>
>Well, that's not standard English for the rest of us. Except people
>from India. My former co-workers who came from India used to use that
>phrase with exactly that meaning.

Define "the rest of us". It is pretty standard English for some
African Americans. They may have lived on 13th Street for 25 years,
but if asked where they live they'll say they stay on 13th Street".

Some who wouldn't use "stay" for "live" in some settings will use it
when talking street with friends.


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Robert Bannister

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Jul 21, 2015, 9:25:38 PM7/21/15
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I don't think even that form of question is possible in my English. If I
used that verb, it would be "Where are you staying?" and would imply
temporary residence as in "Who are you staying with?". Apart from these,
plus a few expressions like "a short stay", "stay" normally means
"remain" and not "reside" in my dialect.
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