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joestir...@gmail.com
Mar 22, 2014, 5:45:10 AM3/22/14
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You must conceal all crimes of your brother Masons... and should you be summoned as a witness against a brother Mason be always sure to shield him...It may be perjury to do this, it is true, but you're keeping your obligations.
Ronayne. Handbook of Masonry, page 183
Ronayne. Handbook of Masonry, page 183
Peter Moylan
Mar 22, 2014, 7:05:20 AM3/22/14
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On 22/03/14 20:45, joestir...@gmail.com wrote:
> You must conceal all crimes of your brother Masons... and should you be summoned as a witness against a brother Mason be always sure to shield him...It may be perjury to do this, it is true, but you're keeping your obligations.
>
> Ronayne. Handbook of Masonry, page 183
There seem to be a few Catholic bishops who have taken that advice to heart.
> You must conceal all crimes of your brother Masons... and should you be summoned as a witness against a brother Mason be always sure to shield him...It may be perjury to do this, it is true, but you're keeping your obligations.
>
> Ronayne. Handbook of Masonry, page 183
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micky
Mar 22, 2014, 7:28:58 AM3/22/14
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On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 02:45:10 -0700 (PDT), joestir...@gmail.com
wrote:
>You must conceal all crimes of your brother Masons... and should you be summoned as a witness against a brother Mason be always sure to shield him...It may be perjury to do this, it is true, but you're keeping your obligations.
>
>Ronayne. Handbook of Masonry, page 183
Another idiot and, I'm sure, liar.
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So your question or answer makes sense.
I have lived all my life in the USA,
Western Pa. Indianapolis, Chicago,
Brooklyn, Baltimore.
wrote:
>You must conceal all crimes of your brother Masons... and should you be summoned as a witness against a brother Mason be always sure to shield him...It may be perjury to do this, it is true, but you're keeping your obligations.
>
>Ronayne. Handbook of Masonry, page 183
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Please say where you live, or what
area's English you are asking about.
So your question or answer makes sense.
I have lived all my life in the USA,
Western Pa. Indianapolis, Chicago,
Brooklyn, Baltimore.
Whiskers
Mar 22, 2014, 10:18:21 AM3/22/14
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On 2014-03-22, Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
> On 22/03/14 20:45, joestir...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> You must conceal all crimes of your brother Masons... and should you
>> be summoned as a witness against a brother Mason be always sure to
>> shield him...It may be perjury to do this, it is true, but you're
>> keeping your obligations.
>>
>> Ronayne. Handbook of Masonry, page 183
>
> There seem to be a few Catholic bishops who have taken that advice to
> heart.
I thought it was impossible to be both a Catholic and a Mason
> On 22/03/14 20:45, joestir...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> You must conceal all crimes of your brother Masons... and should you
>> be summoned as a witness against a brother Mason be always sure to
>> shield him...It may be perjury to do this, it is true, but you're
>> keeping your obligations.
>>
>> Ronayne. Handbook of Masonry, page 183
>
> There seem to be a few Catholic bishops who have taken that advice to
> heart.
<http://www.catholicapologetics.info/modernproblems/freemasonry/cathason.htm>
"Catholicism vs. Freemasonry" By Rev. Robert I. Bradley, S.J.
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-- Whiskers
-- ~~~~~~~~~~
Jerry Friedman
Mar 22, 2014, 5:19:21 PM3/22/14
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Ross
Mar 22, 2014, 5:56:46 PM3/22/14
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On Sunday, March 23, 2014 12:28:58 AM UTC+13, micky wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 02:45:10 -0700 (PDT), joestir...@gmail.com
>
> wrote:
> >You must conceal all crimes of your brother Masons... and should you be summoned as a witness against a brother Mason be always sure to shield him...It may be perjury to do this, it is true, but you're keeping your obligations.
>
>Ronayne. Handbook of Masonry, page 183
> Another idiot and, I'm sure, liar.
Anti-Masonic crusader of the 1870s-80s:
> On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 02:45:10 -0700 (PDT), joestir...@gmail.com
>
> wrote:
> >You must conceal all crimes of your brother Masons... and should you be summoned as a witness against a brother Mason be always sure to shield him...It may be perjury to do this, it is true, but you're keeping your obligations.
>
>Ronayne. Handbook of Masonry, page 183
> Another idiot and, I'm sure, liar.
http://nationalheritagemuseum.typepad.com/library_and_archives/edmond-ronayne/
...or maybe you're referring to the original poster?
Curlytop
Mar 23, 2014, 1:29:51 PM3/23/14
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joestir...@gmail.com set the following eddies spiralling through the
space-time continuum:
Such conflicts of interest are why I made the decision, many years back, not
to approach the Craft.
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space-time continuum:
to approach the Craft.
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Paul Wolff
Mar 23, 2014, 2:52:37 PM3/23/14
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On Sun, 23 Mar 2014, Curlytop <pvstownse...@ntlworld.com> posted:
search engine hits. It's very disturbing to see what people will freely
repeat as fact. Incidentally, I found an image of page 183 of the book
"quoted" above and the text was utterly different from that stated, and
dealt with other subject-matter entirely.
In my experience, on the evening of his initiation a new Mason is
immediately charged to "practice every moral and social virtue", and to
look to the holy writings of his own religion to "be taught the
important duties you owe to God, to your neighbour, and to yourself",
and is enjoined to "be exemplary in the discharge of your civil duties,
by never proposing or at all countenancing any act that may have a
tendency to subvert the peace and good order of society, by paying due
obedience to the laws of any State which may for a time become the place
of your residence or afford you its protection,...", etc.
--
Paul
>joestir...@gmail.com set the following eddies spiralling through the
>space-time continuum:
>
>> You must conceal all crimes of your brother Masons... and should you be
>> summoned as a witness against a brother Mason be always sure to shield
>> him...It may be perjury to do this, it is true, but you're keeping your
>> obligations.
>>
>> Ronayne. Handbook of Masonry, page 183
>
>Such conflicts of interest are why I made the decision, many years back, not
>to approach the Craft.
I hadn't heard of Ronayne until this thread, so I whizzed through a few
>space-time continuum:
>
>> You must conceal all crimes of your brother Masons... and should you be
>> summoned as a witness against a brother Mason be always sure to shield
>> him...It may be perjury to do this, it is true, but you're keeping your
>> obligations.
>>
>> Ronayne. Handbook of Masonry, page 183
>
>Such conflicts of interest are why I made the decision, many years back, not
>to approach the Craft.
search engine hits. It's very disturbing to see what people will freely
repeat as fact. Incidentally, I found an image of page 183 of the book
"quoted" above and the text was utterly different from that stated, and
dealt with other subject-matter entirely.
In my experience, on the evening of his initiation a new Mason is
immediately charged to "practice every moral and social virtue", and to
look to the holy writings of his own religion to "be taught the
important duties you owe to God, to your neighbour, and to yourself",
and is enjoined to "be exemplary in the discharge of your civil duties,
by never proposing or at all countenancing any act that may have a
tendency to subvert the peace and good order of society, by paying due
obedience to the laws of any State which may for a time become the place
of your residence or afford you its protection,...", etc.
--
Paul
Peter T. Daniels
Mar 23, 2014, 4:19:26 PM3/23/14
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On Sunday, March 23, 2014 2:52:37 PM UTC-4, Paul Wolff wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Mar 2014, Curlytop <pvstownse...@ntlworld.com> posted:
> >joestir...@gmail.com:
> On Sun, 23 Mar 2014, Curlytop <pvstownse...@ntlworld.com> posted:
> >> You must conceal all crimes of your brother Masons... and should you be
> >> summoned as a witness against a brother Mason be always sure to shield
> >> him...It may be perjury to do this, it is true, but you're keeping your
> >> obligations.
> >> Ronayne. Handbook of Masonry, page 183
>
> I hadn't heard of Ronayne until this thread, so I whizzed through a few
> search engine hits. It's very disturbing to see what people will freely
> repeat as fact. Incidentally, I found an image of page 183 of the book
> "quoted" above and the text was utterly different from that stated, and
> dealt with other subject-matter entirely.
"Handbooks" of secret societies go through dozens of editions. The
> search engine hits. It's very disturbing to see what people will freely
> repeat as fact. Incidentally, I found an image of page 183 of the book
> "quoted" above and the text was utterly different from that stated, and
> dealt with other subject-matter entirely.
"you're" at the end, however, suggests that this particular "quotation"
was fabricated as a slur, and recently.
Joe Fineman
Mar 23, 2014, 5:37:41 PM3/23/14
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Whiskers <catwh...@operamail.com> writes:
> I thought it was impossible to be both a Catholic and a Mason
It appears, once upon a time, to have been possible in India:
> I thought it was impossible to be both a Catholic and a Mason
We'd Bola Nath, Accountant,
An' Saul the Aden Jew,
An' Din Mohammed, draughtsman
Of the Survey Office too;
There was Babu Chuckerbutty,
An' Amir Singh the Sikh,
An' Castro from the fittin'-sheds,
The Roman Catholick! -- Kipling, "The Mother-Lodge"
Worth an exclamation mark, tho, even there.
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Paul Wolff
Mar 23, 2014, 6:29:39 PM3/23/14
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On Sun, 23 Mar 2014, Peter T. Daniels <gram...@verizon.net> posted:
but actually anti-Masonic, so your comment may not apply here - as it
isn't a real practical handbook.
>The
>"you're" at the end, however, suggests that this particular "quotation"
>was fabricated as a slur, and recently.
A fair forensic point. So the antis have piled Pelion upon Ossa: not
content with an original false testimony, they have fabricated
quotations from it as well.
--
Paul
>On Sunday, March 23, 2014 2:52:37 PM UTC-4, Paul Wolff wrote:
>> On Sun, 23 Mar 2014, Curlytop <pvstownse...@ntlworld.com> posted:
>> >joestir...@gmail.com:
>
>> >> You must conceal all crimes of your brother Masons... and should you be
>> >> summoned as a witness against a brother Mason be always sure to shield
>> >> him...It may be perjury to do this, it is true, but you're keeping your
>> >> obligations.
>> >> Ronayne. Handbook of Masonry, page 183
>>
>> I hadn't heard of Ronayne until this thread, so I whizzed through a few
>> search engine hits. It's very disturbing to see what people will freely
>> repeat as fact. Incidentally, I found an image of page 183 of the book
>> "quoted" above and the text was utterly different from that stated, and
>> dealt with other subject-matter entirely.
>
>"Handbooks" of secret societies go through dozens of editions.
In this case, it's a "handbook" purporting (by its title) to be Masonic,
>> On Sun, 23 Mar 2014, Curlytop <pvstownse...@ntlworld.com> posted:
>> >joestir...@gmail.com:
>
>> >> You must conceal all crimes of your brother Masons... and should you be
>> >> summoned as a witness against a brother Mason be always sure to shield
>> >> him...It may be perjury to do this, it is true, but you're keeping your
>> >> obligations.
>> >> Ronayne. Handbook of Masonry, page 183
>>
>> I hadn't heard of Ronayne until this thread, so I whizzed through a few
>> search engine hits. It's very disturbing to see what people will freely
>> repeat as fact. Incidentally, I found an image of page 183 of the book
>> "quoted" above and the text was utterly different from that stated, and
>> dealt with other subject-matter entirely.
>
>"Handbooks" of secret societies go through dozens of editions.
but actually anti-Masonic, so your comment may not apply here - as it
isn't a real practical handbook.
>The
>"you're" at the end, however, suggests that this particular "quotation"
>was fabricated as a slur, and recently.
content with an original false testimony, they have fabricated
quotations from it as well.
--
Paul
James Silverton
Mar 23, 2014, 11:15:50 PM3/23/14
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On 3/23/2014 5:37 PM, Joe Fineman wrote:
> Whiskers <catwh...@operamail.com> writes:
>
>> I thought it was impossible to be both a Catholic and a Mason
>
> It appears, once upon a time, to have been possible in India:
>
> We'd Bola Nath, Accountant,
> An' Saul the Aden Jew,
> An' Din Mohammed, draughtsman
> Of the Survey Office too;
> There was Babu Chuckerbutty,
> An' Amir Singh the Sikh,
> An' Castro from the fittin'-sheds,
> The Roman Catholick! -- Kipling, "The Mother-Lodge"
>
> Worth an exclamation mark, tho, even there.
>
Like a number of others, Mozart was formally a Catholic and a Mason. I
> Whiskers <catwh...@operamail.com> writes:
>
>> I thought it was impossible to be both a Catholic and a Mason
>
> It appears, once upon a time, to have been possible in India:
>
> We'd Bola Nath, Accountant,
> An' Saul the Aden Jew,
> An' Din Mohammed, draughtsman
> Of the Survey Office too;
> There was Babu Chuckerbutty,
> An' Amir Singh the Sikh,
> An' Castro from the fittin'-sheds,
> The Roman Catholick! -- Kipling, "The Mother-Lodge"
>
> Worth an exclamation mark, tho, even there.
>
don't think he bothered to get ecclesiastical permission. He got a papal
knighthood at the age of fourteen as well.
--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)
Extraneous "not." in Reply To.
Peter T. Daniels
Mar 23, 2014, 11:47:43 PM3/23/14
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OP believes the quote to be a legitimate statement of (quondam)
Masonic belief?
Ross
Mar 24, 2014, 1:22:53 AM3/24/14
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On Monday, March 24, 2014 4:47:43 PM UTC+13, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Sunday, March 23, 2014 6:29:39 PM UTC-4, Paul Wolff wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 23 Mar 2014, Peter T. Daniels <gram...@verizon.net> posted:
> > >On Sunday, March 23, 2014 2:52:37 PM UTC-4, Paul Wolff wrote:
> > >> On Sun, 23 Mar 2014, Curlytop <pvstownse...@ntlwo.com> posted:
> On Sunday, March 23, 2014 6:29:39 PM UTC-4, Paul Wolff wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 23 Mar 2014, Peter T. Daniels <gram...@verizon.net> posted:
> > >On Sunday, March 23, 2014 2:52:37 PM UTC-4, Paul Wolff wrote:
> > >> >joestir...@gmail.com:
>
> > >> >> You must conceal all crimes of your brother Masons... and should you be > >> >> summoned as a witness against a brother Mason be always sure to shield> > >> >> him...It may be perjury to do this, it is true, but you're keeping your> > >> >> obligations.
>
> > >> >> Ronayne. Handbook of Masonry, page 183
> > >> I hadn't heard of Ronayne until this thread, so I whizzed through a few
> > >> search engine hits. It's very disturbing to see what people will freely
> > >> repeat as fact. Incidentally, I found an image of page 183 of the book
> > >> "quoted" above and the text was utterly different from that stated, and
> > >> dealt with other subject-matter entirely.
>
> > >"Handbooks" of secret societies go through dozens of editions.
> > In this case, it's a "handbook" purporting (by its title) to be Masonic,
> > but actually anti-Masonic, so your comment may not apply here - as it
> > isn't a real practical handbook.
> > >The
> > >"you're" at the end, however, suggests that this particular "quotation"
> > >was fabricated as a slur, and recently.
>
> > A fair forensic point. So the antis have piled Pelion upon Ossa: not
> > content with an original false testimony, they have fabricated
> > quotations from it as well.
>
> Have we ever seen this "joestirling119" OP before? Do we know whether
> OP believes the quote to be a legitimate statement of (quondam)
> Masonic belief?
I wondered the same thing. Only once on a.u.e., it seems -- at least under that name -- and not too many months ago. If you search "masons in Heaven", you will find an extended post which will give you some idea of the things he might believe.
>
> > >> >> You must conceal all crimes of your brother Masons... and should you be > >> >> summoned as a witness against a brother Mason be always sure to shield> > >> >> him...It may be perjury to do this, it is true, but you're keeping your> > >> >> obligations.
>
> > >> >> Ronayne. Handbook of Masonry, page 183
> > >> I hadn't heard of Ronayne until this thread, so I whizzed through a few
> > >> search engine hits. It's very disturbing to see what people will freely
> > >> repeat as fact. Incidentally, I found an image of page 183 of the book
> > >> "quoted" above and the text was utterly different from that stated, and
> > >> dealt with other subject-matter entirely.
>
> > >"Handbooks" of secret societies go through dozens of editions.
> > In this case, it's a "handbook" purporting (by its title) to be Masonic,
> > but actually anti-Masonic, so your comment may not apply here - as it
> > isn't a real practical handbook.
> > >The
> > >"you're" at the end, however, suggests that this particular "quotation"
> > >was fabricated as a slur, and recently.
>
> > A fair forensic point. So the antis have piled Pelion upon Ossa: not
> > content with an original false testimony, they have fabricated
> > quotations from it as well.
>
> Have we ever seen this "joestirling119" OP before? Do we know whether
> OP believes the quote to be a legitimate statement of (quondam)
> Masonic belief?
Ross
Mar 24, 2014, 1:24:57 AM3/24/14
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Whiskers
Mar 24, 2014, 7:08:50 AM3/24/14
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people you belong.
Even the church of Rome is capable of change, and not all its members
conform wholly with its rules. Free-masonry is probably much less
monolithic than any church, and must have changed over time. There
seems to be a move away from the secrecy which has generated so much
distrust.
Peter T. Daniels
Mar 24, 2014, 8:28:21 AM3/24/14
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more posts by 10 more authors.
Paul Wolff
Mar 24, 2014, 9:17:25 AM3/24/14
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On Mon, 24 Mar 2014, Whiskers <catwh...@operamail.com> posted:
death, he reluctantly had to resign as Grand Master of several Masonic
orders. Eighty years ago the British press reported some of the high
profile Masonic meetings and published lists of those attending. Times
have changed.
countries and even states are formally independent of each other (which
won't help with world domination), end even within countries there can
be parallel organisations (like men's and women's in the UK) and, ahem,
the occasional rogue lodge (Propaganda Due in Italy). English Masonry
seems forever to be withdrawing or re-establishing recognition of
various overseas grand lodges because of their lost or recovered
strictness in enforcing the fundamental Masonic principles in their
members. Worldwide it's far from monolithic, but inside one jurisdiction
it tends to be tightly run.
>There
>seems to be a move away from the secrecy which has generated so much
>distrust.
>
There is. Much of it was due to misplaced defensiveness (if we keep our
heads down, we won't be attacked). A book was published quite recently
reviewing the history of Masonic press relations in England and Wales in
the 20th century, at a painful price, though the author insists that he
only gets one pound per copy sold.
<http://www.ashgate.com/default.aspx?page=637&calcTitle=1&title_id=12415&
edition_id=12798>
--
Paul
>On 2014-03-24, James Silverton <not.jim....@verizon.net> wrote:
>> Like a number of others, Mozart was formally a Catholic and a Mason. I
>> don't think he bothered to get ecclesiastical permission. He got a papal
>> knighthood at the age of fourteen as well.
>
>One of the things about belonging to a secret society, is not telling
>people you belong.
If it's secret. When King Edward VII ascended the throne on his mother's
>> Like a number of others, Mozart was formally a Catholic and a Mason. I
>> don't think he bothered to get ecclesiastical permission. He got a papal
>> knighthood at the age of fourteen as well.
>
>One of the things about belonging to a secret society, is not telling
>people you belong.
death, he reluctantly had to resign as Grand Master of several Masonic
orders. Eighty years ago the British press reported some of the high
profile Masonic meetings and published lists of those attending. Times
have changed.
>
>Even the church of Rome is capable of change, and not all its members
>conform wholly with its rules. Free-masonry is probably much less
>monolithic than any church, and must have changed over time.
Some of the problems came about because Masonic organisations in various
>Even the church of Rome is capable of change, and not all its members
>conform wholly with its rules. Free-masonry is probably much less
>monolithic than any church, and must have changed over time.
countries and even states are formally independent of each other (which
won't help with world domination), end even within countries there can
be parallel organisations (like men's and women's in the UK) and, ahem,
the occasional rogue lodge (Propaganda Due in Italy). English Masonry
seems forever to be withdrawing or re-establishing recognition of
various overseas grand lodges because of their lost or recovered
strictness in enforcing the fundamental Masonic principles in their
members. Worldwide it's far from monolithic, but inside one jurisdiction
it tends to be tightly run.
>There
>seems to be a move away from the secrecy which has generated so much
>distrust.
>
heads down, we won't be attacked). A book was published quite recently
reviewing the history of Masonic press relations in England and Wales in
the 20th century, at a painful price, though the author insists that he
only gets one pound per copy sold.
<http://www.ashgate.com/default.aspx?page=637&calcTitle=1&title_id=12415&
edition_id=12798>
--
Paul
Peter T. Daniels
Mar 24, 2014, 9:48:46 AM3/24/14
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On Monday, March 24, 2014 9:17:25 AM UTC-4, Paul Wolff wrote:
> Some of the problems came about because Masonic organisations in various
> countries and even states are formally independent of each other (which
> won't help with world domination), end even within countries there can
> be parallel organisations (like men's and women's in the UK) and, ahem,
> the occasional rogue lodge (Propaganda Due in Italy).
Over Here, the Women's Auxiliary is the Order of the Eastern Star, and
> Some of the problems came about because Masonic organisations in various
> countries and even states are formally independent of each other (which
> won't help with world domination), end even within countries there can
> be parallel organisations (like men's and women's in the UK) and, ahem,
> the occasional rogue lodge (Propaganda Due in Italy).
the boys' organization is De Mollay. I don't know if there was one for
girls. The equivalent for Jews is Knights of Pythias.
Tony Cooper
Mar 24, 2014, 10:18:17 AM3/24/14
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Templar.
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Tony Cooper - Orlando FL
Paul Wolff
Mar 24, 2014, 11:00:49 AM3/24/14
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On Mon, 24 Mar 2014, Tony Cooper <tonyco...@gmail.com> posted:
A name unfortunately reminiscent of immolation.
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Paul
--
Paul
James Silverton
Mar 24, 2014, 11:12:45 AM3/24/14
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Master of the Templars.
Paul Wolff
Mar 24, 2014, 2:59:24 PM3/24/14
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On Mon, 24 Mar 2014, James Silverton <not.jim....@verizon.net>
posted:
What I meant. It take nominative determinism to new (old?) depths.
--
Paul
posted:
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Paul
Ross
Mar 24, 2014, 4:29:04 PM3/24/14
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Ross
Mar 24, 2014, 4:32:04 PM3/24/14
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Roy Smith
Mar 24, 2014, 6:55:28 PM3/24/14
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The equivalent organization to masons for chatholics is Knights of
Columbus.
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Roy Smith
Mar 24, 2014, 8:17:39 PM3/24/14
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Lewis wrote on 3/24/2014 at 7:53:57 PM:
> In message <lgqd50$4ou$1...@dont-email.me>
> Daughters exist in the USA.
>
> A friend of mine in High School was Grand Bethel Queen and I went to
> her… I don't think they called it a coronation, but whatever they
> did call it, I went.
>
> <http://www.jobsdaughtersinternational.org/Bethels/USA/index.htm>
My dad was a scottish rite mason. My mother was eastern star. My
sisters were rainbow girls. I was demolay.
https://www.gorainbow.org/whatisrainbow/whatisrainbow.taf
And from the q&a... https://www.gorainbow.org/qanda/qanda.taf
Are Rainbow Girls part of the Shriners or the Masons?
Yes and no. Originally the Rainbow Girls were created for Masonic
daughters and their friends, but today any girl who is interested in
joining Rainbow Girls is welcome.
> In message <lgqd50$4ou$1...@dont-email.me>
> Roy Smith <rsmi...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> > Ross wrote on 3/24/2014 at 4:29:04 PM:
>
> >> On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 2:48:46 AM UTC+13, Peter T. Daniels
> wrote: >> > On Monday, March 24, 2014 9:17:25 AM UTC-4, Paul Wolff
> wrote: >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > Some of the problems came about because Masonic organisations
> in >> > > various countries and even states are formally independent
> of >> > > each other (which won't help with world domination), end
> even >> > > within countries there can be parallel organisations
> (like men's >> > > and women's in the UK) and, ahem, the occasional
> rogue lodge >> > > (Propaganda Due in Italy).
> >> >
> >> > Over Here, the Women's Auxiliary is the Order of the Eastern
> Star, >> > and the boys' organization is De Mollay. I don't know if
> there was >> > one for girls. The equivalent for Jews is Knights of
> Pythias. >>
> >> The Masonic girls are Job's Daughters.
>
> > Not sure where you are from but left pondian they are Rainbow Girls.
>
> Um... no, Job's Daughters are certainly not Rainbow Girls, and Job's
> > Ross wrote on 3/24/2014 at 4:29:04 PM:
>
> >> On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 2:48:46 AM UTC+13, Peter T. Daniels
> wrote: >> > On Monday, March 24, 2014 9:17:25 AM UTC-4, Paul Wolff
> wrote: >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > Some of the problems came about because Masonic organisations
> in >> > > various countries and even states are formally independent
> of >> > > each other (which won't help with world domination), end
> even >> > > within countries there can be parallel organisations
> (like men's >> > > and women's in the UK) and, ahem, the occasional
> rogue lodge >> > > (Propaganda Due in Italy).
> >> >
> >> > Over Here, the Women's Auxiliary is the Order of the Eastern
> Star, >> > and the boys' organization is De Mollay. I don't know if
> there was >> > one for girls. The equivalent for Jews is Knights of
> Pythias. >>
> >> The Masonic girls are Job's Daughters.
>
> > Not sure where you are from but left pondian they are Rainbow Girls.
>
> Daughters exist in the USA.
>
> A friend of mine in High School was Grand Bethel Queen and I went to
> her… I don't think they called it a coronation, but whatever they
> did call it, I went.
>
> <http://www.jobsdaughtersinternational.org/Bethels/USA/index.htm>
My dad was a scottish rite mason. My mother was eastern star. My
sisters were rainbow girls. I was demolay.
https://www.gorainbow.org/whatisrainbow/whatisrainbow.taf
And from the q&a... https://www.gorainbow.org/qanda/qanda.taf
Are Rainbow Girls part of the Shriners or the Masons?
Yes and no. Originally the Rainbow Girls were created for Masonic
daughters and their friends, but today any girl who is interested in
joining Rainbow Girls is welcome.
bill van
Mar 24, 2014, 8:21:33 PM3/24/14
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In article <slrnlj1hcl....@amelia.local>,
members to be related to members of the Masons; Rainbow Girls allows
non-relatives of Masons to join. I didn't know this until I ran a search
just now on both organizations' names.
Among other hits:
http://forum.mastermason.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=9370
--
bill
Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <lgqd50$4ou$1...@dont-email.me>
> Roy Smith <rsmi...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> In message <lgqd50$4ou$1...@dont-email.me>
> Roy Smith <rsmi...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> > Ross wrote on 3/24/2014 at 4:29:04 PM:
>
> >> On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 2:48:46 AM UTC+13, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >> > On Monday, March 24, 2014 9:17:25 AM UTC-4, Paul Wolff wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > Some of the problems came about because Masonic organisations in
> >> > > various countries and even states are formally independent of
> >> > > each other (which won't help with world domination), end even
> >> > > within countries there can be parallel organisations (like men's
> >> > > and women's in the UK) and, ahem, the occasional rogue lodge
> >> > > (Propaganda Due in Italy).
> >> >
> >> > Over Here, the Women's Auxiliary is the Order of the Eastern Star,
> >> > and the boys' organization is De Mollay. I don't know if there was
> >> > one for girls. The equivalent for Jews is Knights of Pythias.
> >>
> >> The Masonic girls are Job's Daughters.
>
> > Not sure where you are from but left pondian they are Rainbow Girls.
>
>
> >> On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 2:48:46 AM UTC+13, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >> > On Monday, March 24, 2014 9:17:25 AM UTC-4, Paul Wolff wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > Some of the problems came about because Masonic organisations in
> >> > > various countries and even states are formally independent of
> >> > > each other (which won't help with world domination), end even
> >> > > within countries there can be parallel organisations (like men's
> >> > > and women's in the UK) and, ahem, the occasional rogue lodge
> >> > > (Propaganda Due in Italy).
> >> >
> >> > Over Here, the Women's Auxiliary is the Order of the Eastern Star,
> >> > and the boys' organization is De Mollay. I don't know if there was
> >> > one for girls. The equivalent for Jews is Knights of Pythias.
> >>
> >> The Masonic girls are Job's Daughters.
>
> > Not sure where you are from but left pondian they are Rainbow Girls.
>
> Um... no, Job's Daughters are certainly not Rainbow Girls, and Job's
> Daughters exist in the USA.
>
> A friend of mine in High School was Grand Bethel Queen and I went to
> her… I don't think they called it a coronation, but whatever they did
> call it, I went.
>
> <http://www.jobsdaughtersinternational.org/Bethels/USA/index.htm>
It appears they are both Masonic organizations. Job's Daughters requires
> Daughters exist in the USA.
>
> A friend of mine in High School was Grand Bethel Queen and I went to
> her… I don't think they called it a coronation, but whatever they did
> call it, I went.
>
> <http://www.jobsdaughtersinternational.org/Bethels/USA/index.htm>
members to be related to members of the Masons; Rainbow Girls allows
non-relatives of Masons to join. I didn't know this until I ran a search
just now on both organizations' names.
Among other hits:
http://forum.mastermason.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=9370
--
bill
Ross
Mar 24, 2014, 8:32:21 PM3/24/14
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On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:55:28 AM UTC+13, Roy Smith wrote:
> Ross wrote on 3/24/2014 at 4:29:04 PM:
> > On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 2:48:46 AM UTC+13, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > > On Monday, March 24, 2014 9:17:25 AM UTC-4, Paul Wolff wrote:
> > > > Some of the problems came about because Masonic organisations in
> > > > various countries and even states are formally independent of
> > > > each other (which won't help with world domination), end even
> > > > within countries there can be parallel organisations (like men's
> > > > and women's in the UK) and, ahem, the occasional rogue lodge
> > > > (Propaganda Due in Italy).
>
> > > Over Here, the Women's Auxiliary is the Order of the Eastern Star,
> > > and the boys' organization is De Mollay. I don't know if there was
> > > one for girls. The equivalent for Jews is Knights of Pythias.
> >
> > The Masonic girls are Job's Daughters.
>
> Not sure where you are from but left pondian they are Rainbow Girls.
> The equivalent organization to masons for chatholics is Knights of
> Columbus.
>
I grew up in Vancouver (BC), and knew a couple of girls who were "Jobies". (Wiki now tells me that Vancouver was the first Bethel established outside the USA, in 1931.) I don't remember hearing about Rainbow Girls in my youth, but I see that it is also Masonic, for girls of about the same age, and of American origin. What the relation is between RG and JD I do not know.
> Ross wrote on 3/24/2014 at 4:29:04 PM:
> > On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 2:48:46 AM UTC+13, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > > On Monday, March 24, 2014 9:17:25 AM UTC-4, Paul Wolff wrote:
> > > > Some of the problems came about because Masonic organisations in
> > > > various countries and even states are formally independent of
> > > > each other (which won't help with world domination), end even
> > > > within countries there can be parallel organisations (like men's
> > > > and women's in the UK) and, ahem, the occasional rogue lodge
> > > > (Propaganda Due in Italy).
>
> > > Over Here, the Women's Auxiliary is the Order of the Eastern Star,
> > > and the boys' organization is De Mollay. I don't know if there was
> > > one for girls. The equivalent for Jews is Knights of Pythias.
> >
> > The Masonic girls are Job's Daughters.
>
> Not sure where you are from but left pondian they are Rainbow Girls.
> The equivalent organization to masons for chatholics is Knights of
> Columbus.
>
ObAUE: I was going to conclude with the following sentence, but I can't get it to sound right: "The Wikipedia article on neither organization makes reference to the other."
Peter T. Daniels
Mar 24, 2014, 11:33:31 PM3/24/14
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On Monday, March 24, 2014 6:55:28 PM UTC-4, Roy Smith wrote:
> Ross wrote on 3/24/2014 at 4:29:04 PM:
> > On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 2:48:46 AM UTC+13, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > > On Monday, March 24, 2014 9:17:25 AM UTC-4, Paul Wolff wrote:
> > > > Some of the problems came about because Masonic organisations in
> > > > various countries and even states are formally independent of
> > > > each other (which won't help with world domination), end even
> > > > within countries there can be parallel organisations (like men's
> > > > and women's in the UK) and, ahem, the occasional rogue lodge
> > > > (Propaganda Due in Italy).
> > > Over Here, the Women's Auxiliary is the Order of the Eastern Star,
> > > and the boys' organization is De Mollay. I don't know if there was
> > > one for girls. The equivalent for Jews is Knights of Pythias.
> > The Masonic girls are Job's Daughters.
>
> Not sure where you are from but left pondian they are Rainbow Girls.
> The equivalent organization to masons for chatholics is Knights of
> Columbus.
That's it! Rainbow Girls! High school classmate Cheryl Ann Sullivan
> Ross wrote on 3/24/2014 at 4:29:04 PM:
> > On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 2:48:46 AM UTC+13, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > > On Monday, March 24, 2014 9:17:25 AM UTC-4, Paul Wolff wrote:
> > > > Some of the problems came about because Masonic organisations in
> > > > various countries and even states are formally independent of
> > > > each other (which won't help with world domination), end even
> > > > within countries there can be parallel organisations (like men's
> > > > and women's in the UK) and, ahem, the occasional rogue lodge
> > > > (Propaganda Due in Italy).
> > > Over Here, the Women's Auxiliary is the Order of the Eastern Star,
> > > and the boys' organization is De Mollay. I don't know if there was
> > > one for girls. The equivalent for Jews is Knights of Pythias.
> > The Masonic girls are Job's Daughters.
>
> Not sure where you are from but left pondian they are Rainbow Girls.
> The equivalent organization to masons for chatholics is Knights of
> Columbus.
(now Cheryl Fox and recently a grandmother) was one.
Guy Barry
Mar 25, 2014, 3:26:49 AM3/25/14
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"Ross" wrote in message
news:a3d868e3-4e76-46c5...@googlegroups.com...
>ObAUE: I was going to conclude with the following sentence, but I can't get
>it to sound right: "The Wikipedia article on neither organization makes
>reference to the other."
"Neither organization's Wikipedia article makes reference to the other's."
--
Guy Barry
news:a3d868e3-4e76-46c5...@googlegroups.com...
>ObAUE: I was going to conclude with the following sentence, but I can't get
>it to sound right: "The Wikipedia article on neither organization makes
>reference to the other."
--
Guy Barry
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Ross
Mar 25, 2014, 4:22:00 PM3/25/14
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Mike L
Mar 31, 2014, 4:32:15 PM3/31/14
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On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 13:32:04 -0700 (PDT), Ross <benl...@ihug.co.nz>
wrote:
Making the evidence public seems perfectly reasonable to me, along
with obiter dicta. I'm reminded of the monomaniac Florida lawyer who
appears from time to time to enlighten us about the extension of the
right arm at 135 degrees.
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Mike.
wrote:
with obiter dicta. I'm reminded of the monomaniac Florida lawyer who
appears from time to time to enlighten us about the extension of the
right arm at 135 degrees.
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Mike.
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rfm...@gmail.com
Jun 9, 2014, 10:13:07 AM6/9/14
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On Saturday, March 22, 2014 5:45:10 AM UTC-4, joestir...@gmail.com wrote:
> You must conceal all crimes of your brother Masons... and should you be summoned as a witness against a brother Mason be always sure to shield him...It may be perjury to do this, it is true, but you're keeping your obligations.
>
> Ronayne. Handbook of Masonry, page 183
Although it can be found in many places on the internet, this quote, like many attributed to Albert Pike, is bogus. A search of "Ronayne's Handbook of Freemasonry" will show that neither the word "crimes" nor the word "perjury" can be found anywhere in that book, nor can anything resembling this statement.
> You must conceal all crimes of your brother Masons... and should you be summoned as a witness against a brother Mason be always sure to shield him...It may be perjury to do this, it is true, but you're keeping your obligations.
>
> Ronayne. Handbook of Masonry, page 183
The Master Mason's obligation quoted in that book actually indicates that a Mason is not to keep crimes as secrets. Although specifically mentioning only "murder and treason," it makes no mention at all of keeping any crime as a secret, and most versions of the obligation, in use today at least, specifically state that no crimes are to be kept secret. Ronayne, and anti-mason, does make a footnote that states, "Giving testimony against a brother Mason in Court which oath is to be obeyed? This or the legal oath?" This comment, however, is disingenuous as anyone truly familiar with Masonic oaths and teachings knows that the real Masonic obligation in this case is to tell the truth and not to hide crimes.
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