Quilpish

[Marius Hancu]

Hello:

Wasn't able to find the meaning of "Quilpish."
Anyone?

--------
Behind him his cousin, the tall George, son of the fifth Forsyte, Roger,
had a Quilpish look on his fleshy face, pondering one of his sardonic
jests. Something inherent to the occasion had affected them all.

John Galsworthy, The Forsyte Saga, p. 5
--------

Thanks.
Marius Hancu

[Robin Bignall]

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:55:04 -0500, Marius Hancu <NOS...@videotron.ca>
wrote:

It's possibly this Quilp:
<q>
According to Dickens, Mr Daniel Quilp is a bent-over, hook-nosed
dwarf, with a "ghastly smile... appearing to be the mere result of
habit and to have no connexion with any mirthful or complacent
feeling". A cold-hearted miser and money-lending monster of iniquity,
he became landlord of the Old Curiosity Shop, after cruelly evicting
the tenants, Little Nell Trent and her destitute grandfather. Quilp
pursues the forlorn pair with unremitting hatred, finally driving them
to their torturous, exhausting deaths.
</q>
http://www.oldcuriosityshop.net/about/quilp.html
--
Robin
(BrE)
Herts, England

[Barbara Bailey]

Marius Hancu <NOS...@videotron.ca> wrote in news:ggsh63$fki$1...@aioe.org:

It's a reference to a character in Dickens' _Old Curiosity Shop_, Daniel
Quilp, the novel's primary villain. He mistreats his wife and manipulates
others to his own ends. He lent money to Nell's grandfather, and took
possession of the curiosity shop during the old man's illness (which he had
caused by revealing his knowledge of Trent's gambling habit). He's a right
bastard and dies in the end.

[Prai Jei]

Marius Hancu set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time
continuum:

After the Dickens character. Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quilp
where Daniel Quilp is described as "a malicious, grotesquely deformed
moneylender".
--
ξ:) Proud to be curly

Interchange the alphabetic letter groups to reply

[Marius Hancu]

On Nov 29, 5:59 pm, Robin Bignall <docro...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >--------
> >Behind him his cousin, the tall George, son of the fifth Forsyte, Roger,
> >had a Quilpish look on his fleshy face, pondering one of his sardonic
> >jests. Something inherent to the occasion had affected them all.
>
> >John Galsworthy, The Forsyte Saga, p. 5
> >--------
>
> It's possibly this Quilp:
> <q>
> According to Dickens, Mr Daniel Quilp is a bent-over, hook-nosed
> dwarf, with a "ghastly smile... appearing to be the mere result of
> habit and to have no connexion with any mirthful or complacent
> feeling". A cold-hearted miser and money-lending monster of iniquity,
> he became landlord of the Old Curiosity Shop, after cruelly evicting
> the tenants, Little Nell Trent and her destitute grandfather. Quilp
> pursues the forlorn pair with unremitting hatred, finally driving them
> to their torturous, exhausting deaths.
> </q>http://www.oldcuriosityshop.net/about/quilp.html

Thank you all.
Marius Hancu

[edithcunn...@gmail.com]

How about prickly...viz. porcupine quills?

[CDB]

On 5/12/2019 10:07 AM, edithcunn...@gmail.com wrote:

[meaning of "quilpish"]

> How about prickly...viz. porcupine quills?

This is a late reply to a short thread from 2008 in which Marius asked
the question and was fully answered by half a dozen people. I wonder if
Edith will see this -- if you do, EC, you can find the thread by
searching for "quilpish" in the Googlegroups archive.

As for the connection with "quill", it seems likely to me that Dickens
had it in mind when he chose a name for his bristly and disagreeable
character.

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Sunday, May 12, 2019 at 12:46:04 PM UTC-4, CDB wrote:
> On 5/12/2019 10:07 AM, edithcunn...@gmail.com wrote:

> [meaning of "quilpish"]
> > How about prickly...viz. porcupine quills?
>
> This is a late reply to a short thread from 2008 in which Marius asked
> the question and was fully answered by half a dozen people. I wonder if
> Edith will see this -- if you do, EC, you can find the thread by
> searching for "quilpish" in the Googlegroups archive.

Did you email your reply to her? (Another regular who fails to understand
what gmail does.)

[CDB]

On 5/12/2019 12:57 PM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> CDB wrote:
>> edithcunn...@gmail.com wrote:

>> [meaning of "quilpish"]

>>> How about prickly...viz. porcupine quills?

>> This is a late reply to a short thread from 2008 in which Marius
>> asked the question and was fully answered by half a dozen people.
>> I wonder if Edith will see this -- if you do, EC, you can find the
>> thread by searching for "quilpish" in the Googlegroups archive.

> Did you email your reply to her? (Another regular who fails to
> understand what gmail does.)

I understand all I want to about it.

If EC sees my posting here, fine; she saw the original question
somewhere. I haven't much interest in starting a private conversation
with a passer-by on an AUE topic.

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Sunday, May 12, 2019 at 1:15:47 PM UTC-4, CDB wrote:
> On 5/12/2019 12:57 PM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > CDB wrote:
> >> edithcunn...@gmail.com wrote:

> >> [meaning of "quilpish"]
> >>> How about prickly...viz. porcupine quills?
> >> This is a late reply to a short thread from 2008 in which Marius
> >> asked the question and was fully answered by half a dozen people.
> >> I wonder if Edith will see this -- if you do, EC, you can find the
> >> thread by searching for "quilpish" in the Googlegroups archive.
> > Did you email your reply to her? (Another regular who fails to
> > understand what gmail does.)
>
> I understand all I want to about it.
>
> If EC sees my posting here, fine; she saw the original question
> somewhere. I haven't much interest in starting a private conversation
> with a passer-by on an AUE topic.

But she _cannot_ have seen your posting here; she has no idea that "here"
exists.

[Sam Plusnet]

On 12-May-19 18:55, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Sunday, May 12, 2019 at 1:15:47 PM UTC-4, CDB wrote:
>> On 5/12/2019 12:57 PM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>> CDB wrote:
>>>> edithcunn...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>>> [meaning of "quilpish"]
>>>>> How about prickly...viz. porcupine quills?
>>>> This is a late reply to a short thread from 2008 in which Marius
>>>> asked the question and was fully answered by half a dozen people.
>>>> I wonder if Edith will see this -- if you do, EC, you can find the
>>>> thread by searching for "quilpish" in the Googlegroups archive.
>>> Did you email your reply to her? (Another regular who fails to
>>> understand what gmail does.)
>>
>> I understand all I want to about it.
>>
>> If EC sees my posting here, fine; she saw the original question
>> somewhere. I haven't much interest in starting a private conversation
>> with a passer-by on an AUE topic.
>
> But she _cannot_ have seen your posting here; she has no idea that "here"
> exists.

As the leading google groups evangelist here, perhaps PTD will take on
the task of contacting these drive-by google groupers and explaining
matters to them.

It seems like the most sensible way forward.



--
Sam Plusnet

[Kerr-Mudd,John]

I admire your optimism.


--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

As PTD seems to be too busy with his editing work to respond to this
suggestion; let me post what I think he would shout: THESE POSTERS ARE
NOT GOOGLE GROUPERS AND THE PRESENCE OF

Complaints-To: groups...@google.com
Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com;
posting-host=173.206.15.17;posting-account=5SfBtQoAAAAK1_k6B6GmtLLfIBBQA9LN

IN

THE FULL HEADERS IS IRRELEVANT .


--
athel

[Peter T. Daniels]

So you have adopted PM's incomprehension.

The persons whose messages appear here are not posting to here.

They believe they are responding to messages that appear to them to be
email solicitations (mostly for intimate encounters, though not in this
case).

What Google does behind the scenes is not known to them and is irrelevant
to their replies to what they believe are gmail emails.

I, BTW, have never said anything about "full headers." "Full headers"
are not seen by the posters. They may not even be available to the
posters. If you use your phone to access the messages, perhaps you
can discover whether there is some gimmick for doing so.

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 9:22:15 AM UTC-4, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:

> As PTD seems to be too busy with his editing work to respond to this

His writing work. He is creating a textbook for Cambridge University Press.

[John Ritson]

In article <7e6f73d2-9f25-4a32...@googlegroups.com>,
Peter T. Daniels <gram...@verizon.net> writes

I did a search for "Quilpish" on an Android phone.
It showed (among other results)
"Quilpish - Google Groups
https://groups.google.com > forum"
which led to the original Marius Hancu query, clearly dated 29/11/2008
and marked as alt.usage.english.
The various follow-ups showed the full date, until those from this year
which only showed the day and month.

People may well not have understood what "Google Groups" implied, let
alone "alt.usage.english", but not realising that they were replying to
something over a decade old doesn't get them any sympathy from me.


--
John Ritson

---
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
https://www.avg.com

[Peter T. Daniels]

Those are more data than have been offered before, but the assumption
that a casual searcher would look at, let alone read and assimilate,
all the boilerplate seems a bit much. Have you ever agreed to "Terms
and Conditions" without reading them all the way through, and fully
understanding them?

[John Ritson]

In article <6c642d6e-839e-49f0...@googlegroups.com>,

This wasn't boilerplate or metadata, only accessible by pressing obscure
keys, but displayed above the main text, in much the same size, but in
different colours.

[Peter T. Daniels]

Crying out to be ignored.

I've been getting water bills here for 14 years and I never noticed until
the last one that consumption is given to three decimal places in small
red type, the same size as all the routine information, at the top of one
of the panels, whereas a bar graph of recent billing period consumption
is extremely prominent, which varies between 1 and 2 of the units used,
suggesting that normal consumption is 1 1/2 units per period.

[Sam Plusnet]

Yes they are, as evidenced by the fact that their posts appear here.

>
> They believe they are responding to messages that appear to them to be
> email solicitations (mostly for intimate encounters, though not in this
> case).
>
> What Google does behind the scenes is not known to them and is irrelevant
> to their replies to what they believe are gmail emails.

Well yes, but I suggested that you educate these individuals since
Google Groups is leading them into this error and you would seem to be
the most appropriate person to show them the light.

After all, they might stick around and become valuable contributors.

--
Sam Plusnet

[Tony Cooper]

On Mon, 13 May 2019 21:44:18 +0100, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:


>Well yes, but I suggested that you educate these individuals since
>Google Groups is leading them into this error and you would seem to be
>the most appropriate person to show them the light.
>
>After all, they might stick around and become valuable contributors.

I do sometimes wonder how some people find this group and decide to
post in it. I'd ask them, but the ones I wonder about are now in my
killfile.

--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

[Katy Jennison]

This makes me wonder how I found it myself. Surely it can't have been
simply by trawling randomly through the usenet list, can it? Now this
will bother me for the rest of the day.

--
Katy Jennison

[Cheryl]

I have been interested in language for a long time, in a superficial
way, so I think I probably looked for groups with "English" in the name.

What I can't remember is how I came across Usenet in the first place. I
think someone must have told me about it all those years ago when I got
my first email account. That was when I was in university the first
time. Of course, just about all the groups I used to follow are dead,
and most of the rest of them are pretty moribund.

--
Cheryl

[David Kleinecke]

I am a sci.lang refugee so I know how I found AUE (cross posters
in sci.lang). But how did I find sci.lang? I will guess - I was
posting in soc.religion.islam and so was Yusuf Gursey and something
he said ... I know I was posting in soc.religion.christianity even
earlier and moving to SRI is easy but I have no memory of doing it.
I posted to SRC for a long time and went down with the ship when
SRC folded. But how did I discover SRC?

[Mack A. Damia]

Can you go back in Google Groups and find your first post?

I am thinking that I may have had a question about English usage, and
I found this group to ask my question. I am going to look for my
first post now.

[Katy Jennison]

Ah, that makes me think I probably got here in two or three hops,
perhaps proximally from rec.arts.sf.writing or something like that - at
any rate, a group which included several well-known SF authors and was
mainly about the writing itself (as distinct from the apparently still
current rec.arts.sf.written, which seems to be for discussing specific
books). I think someone there must have mentioned the existence of aue,
and I came to have a look.

--
Katy Jennison

[Jerry Friedman]

I found the FAQ by searching for I don't remember what and enjoyed
reading it before I had Usenet access. Eventually I got access via
DejaNews and got addicted to a.u.e, a.u.spanish, and rasfw--now
cured of the latter two.

--
Jerry Friedman

[Tony Cooper]

I remember mine. It was a result of cross-posting to another
newsgroup. What I don't remember is how I discovered Usenet in the
first place.

[Katy Jennison]

On 13/05/2019 22:56, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> On Mon, 13 May 2019 22:24:02 +0100, Katy Jennison
> <ka...@spamtrap.kjennison.com> wrote:
>
>> On 13/05/2019 21:58, Tony Cooper wrote:
>>> On Mon, 13 May 2019 21:44:18 +0100, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Well yes, but I suggested that you educate these individuals since
>>>> Google Groups is leading them into this error and you would seem to be
>>>> the most appropriate person to show them the light.
>>>>
>>>> After all, they might stick around and become valuable contributors.
>>>
>>> I do sometimes wonder how some people find this group and decide to
>>> post in it. I'd ask them, but the ones I wonder about are now in my
>>> killfile.
>>>
>>
>> This makes me wonder how I found it myself. Surely it can't have been
>> simply by trawling randomly through the usenet list, can it? Now this
>> will bother me for the rest of the day.
>
> Can you go back in Google Groups and find your first post?

It actually surfaced the other month, when someone posted a Google
Groups link to a much earlier discussion (last century) of something
someone had just asked a question about. I've now forgotten the topic
again, but what I do remember was that I began by saying I was new here,
and James Follett, who was often perceived as an acerbic poster, wrote
something welcoming in reply.

>
> I am thinking that I may have had a question about English usage, and
> I found this group to ask my question. I am going to look for my
> first post now.
>

--
Katy Jennison

[Mack A. Damia]

I got my first PC in the late 1990s, say 1997, and I saw something
about newsgroups in the email program, Outlook Express, when I was
discovering the features of it. In those days, the program included
newsgroups. I have Outlook now, and if it includes newsgroups, I can't
find it.

[Tony Cooper]

On Mon, 13 May 2019 23:25:13 +0100, Katy Jennison

<ka...@spamtrap.kjennison.com> wrote:

>On 13/05/2019 22:56, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 May 2019 22:24:02 +0100, Katy Jennison
>> <ka...@spamtrap.kjennison.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 13/05/2019 21:58, Tony Cooper wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 13 May 2019 21:44:18 +0100, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Well yes, but I suggested that you educate these individuals since
>>>>> Google Groups is leading them into this error and you would seem to be
>>>>> the most appropriate person to show them the light.
>>>>>
>>>>> After all, they might stick around and become valuable contributors.
>>>>
>>>> I do sometimes wonder how some people find this group and decide to
>>>> post in it. I'd ask them, but the ones I wonder about are now in my
>>>> killfile.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This makes me wonder how I found it myself. Surely it can't have been
>>> simply by trawling randomly through the usenet list, can it? Now this
>>> will bother me for the rest of the day.
>>
>> Can you go back in Google Groups and find your first post?
>
>It actually surfaced the other month, when someone posted a Google
>Groups link to a much earlier discussion (last century) of something
>someone had just asked a question about. I've now forgotten the topic
>again, but what I do remember was that I began by saying I was new here,
>and James Follett, who was often perceived as an acerbic poster, wrote
>something welcoming in reply.
>

It was Donna Richoux who welcomed me, followed by Skitt.

Those of us who remember Donna Richoux remember when .nl posts were
gracious and free of nationalistic bias.

[Mack A. Damia]

On Mon, 13 May 2019 23:25:13 +0100, Katy Jennison

<ka...@spamtrap.kjennison.com> wrote:

>On 13/05/2019 22:56, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 May 2019 22:24:02 +0100, Katy Jennison
>> <ka...@spamtrap.kjennison.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 13/05/2019 21:58, Tony Cooper wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 13 May 2019 21:44:18 +0100, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Well yes, but I suggested that you educate these individuals since
>>>>> Google Groups is leading them into this error and you would seem to be
>>>>> the most appropriate person to show them the light.
>>>>>
>>>>> After all, they might stick around and become valuable contributors.
>>>>
>>>> I do sometimes wonder how some people find this group and decide to
>>>> post in it. I'd ask them, but the ones I wonder about are now in my
>>>> killfile.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This makes me wonder how I found it myself. Surely it can't have been
>>> simply by trawling randomly through the usenet list, can it? Now this
>>> will bother me for the rest of the day.
>>
>> Can you go back in Google Groups and find your first post?
>
>It actually surfaced the other month, when someone posted a Google
>Groups link to a much earlier discussion (last century) of something
>someone had just asked a question about. I've now forgotten the topic
>again, but what I do remember was that I began by saying I was new here,
>and James Follett, who was often perceived as an acerbic poster, wrote
>something welcoming in reply.

I went to GGs current page of AUE and accessed "Show Activity" on the
drop-down menu on the right, but I could only go back to 2017. Not
certain what the problem is, but the archives are a mess with all the
spam in this group.

So I put "Damia" in the search window, and scrolled back for five
minutes.

Apparently, I posted a question to the group about "bully beef" on
September 14, 2010. Topic:

"Seen in the wild (i.e. a Vietnamese supermarket)"
(Started by R. H. Drany)

I can't scroll back any further.

Are there other archives?

[Peter Moylan]

On 14/05/19 07:24, Katy Jennison wrote:
> On 13/05/2019 21:58, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 May 2019 21:44:18 +0100, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Well yes, but I suggested that you educate these individuals
>>> since Google Groups is leading them into this error and you
>>> would seem to be the most appropriate person to show them the
>>> light.
>>>
>>> After all, they might stick around and become valuable
>>> contributors.
>>
>> I do sometimes wonder how some people find this group and decide to
>> post in it. I'd ask them, but the ones I wonder about are now in
>> my killfile.

The ones in your killfile have probably been on Usenet for years. Some
of them (e.g. Jai Maharaj/Jay Stevens) have been posting to AUE for
years, too. Others would have wandered in when their favourite
newsgroups started shrinking, and they looked for more active groups.

> This makes me wonder how I found it myself. Surely it can't have
> been simply by trawling randomly through the usenet list, can it? Now
> this will bother me for the rest of the day.

In my case, I was using a news server (in 1991) that informed me which
new newsgroups had been created that day, so I found AUE on its very
first day.

That was back before the expansionary phase, when a few hundred newsgroups
suddenly turned into a few thousand.

Over the next twenty or so years, people arrived here via
recommendations from other people. These days, though, Usenet is so
little understood that if you recommend AUE to someone they'll search
for it on Facebook, and not find it.

Part of the reason for the Usenet decline is that for at least the past
15 years the technical support people employed by ISPs haven't known
what it is, so little by little as news servers crashed nobody knew how
to restart them.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia

[Peter Moylan]

On 14/05/19 08:25, Katy Jennison wrote:
> On 13/05/2019 22:56, Mack A. Damia wrote:

>> Can you go back in Google Groups and find your first post?
>
> It actually surfaced the other month, when someone posted a Google
> Groups link to a much earlier discussion (last century) of something
> someone had just asked a question about. I've now forgotten the topic
> again, but what I do remember was that I began by saying I was new here,
> and James Follett, who was often perceived as an acerbic poster, wrote
> something welcoming in reply.

James was an interesting case. When he first arrived in AUE his
signature said something like "James Follett, author". That struck a few
people as a bit too pompous, so he was dismissed as a poseur. It took a
while before we discovered that he had already published several books
and he really was a writer. I read some of them, and was impressed.

Now I've been prompted to find my first AUE post. Here it is:

<URL:https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/alt.usage.english/authorname$3AMoylan$20AND$20before$3A1991$2F05$2F15|sort:date/alt.usage.english/D0EKTt42UZs/3q3Yc7iADfUJ>

Date: 14 May 1991

The group appears to have had other posts as far back as the 11th of May
1991. I don't recognise any of the author names in those first few days.

It's possible that the group was slightly older than that, because some
of the DejaNews data was lost when Google took it over.

[bill van]

I came from alt.fan.cecil-adams, where nothing was off-topic and a significant
number of witty posters posted. afc-a eventually petered out, though
its most loyal readers
still supply six or eight posts a day. I went looking for a group that
had a focus
that interested me, a critical mass of readers and posters, and a
tolerance for a great deal
of thread drift. I found aue.

bill

[bill van]

In 1994, when I bought my first computer and signed up with one of the two
newly minted ISPs in Vancouver, I was instructed how to telnet, using a
command-line
interface, to a site where I could download my first email app
(Eudora), my first
Web browser (Mosaic] and my first Usenet reader, NewsWatcher. The latter came
with a full list of Usenet groups.

bill

[Kerr-Mudd,John]

Same route.

Same method for afca; probably after looking for the DNA group.

[Tony Cooper]

Many posters in this group use Forté Agent as their newsreader.
There's a newsgroup - alt.usenet.offline-reader-forte-agent - that
some members of this group post in and follow.

The parent company, though, seems to be dormant. Support, if needed,
if handled through the above newsgroup by other users.

[LFS]

I was lured here in 1997 by Mike Page who promised lots of fun with
puns. As I was at the time deep in writing up my PhD, I resisted the
temptation for a while, which was just as well as, once I did look in,
it rapidly became addictive.

I think Mike found aue through a conversation with someone in a queue at
a Terry Pratchett book signing.

Garry Vass was the general meet-and-greeter at the time. He was also the
boink organiser. The other day I passed the Prince Regent, the pub in
Marylebone High Street where he used to book a room for us to meet in.
It's gone rather upmarket.





--
Laura (emulate St George for email)

[LFS]

My first post was on 2 November 1997 in a thread started by a poster
named Chi Wan entitled "Does "used to" imply "no longer"?"

The thread is full of names I remember, and one I'm still in touch with,
but none who still post here.

[Peter T. Daniels]

Google is (BrE are?) posting them here. The persons are not.

> > They believe they are responding to messages that appear to them to be
> > email solicitations (mostly for intimate encounters, though not in this
> > case).
> > What Google does behind the scenes is not known to them and is irrelevant
> > to their replies to what they believe are gmail emails.
>
> Well yes, but I suggested that you educate these individuals since
> Google Groups is leading them into this error and you would seem to be
> the most appropriate person to show them the light.
>
> After all, they might stick around and become valuable contributors.

But PM insists that every one of them is a scam designed to extract
rupees from horny Indian persons.

[Peter T. Daniels]

I found sci.lang because it was mentioned on LINGUIST.List (which actually
used to be a place where linguists had discussions, but is now nothing but
a commercial outlet where publishers announce their books and conference
planners post calls for papers and eventually links to schedules, and
some of the books flogged are reviewed by graduate students in obscure
universities).

[Rich Ulrich]

On Mon, 13 May 2019 18:19:45 -0400, Tony Cooper

I'm pretty sure that my ISP, the University of Pittsburgh computer
center, announced the availability of Usenet groups and software
on the mainframes (Vaxes) to read them. In 1994, if not earlier.

I had been maintaining Bulletin Boards, for users at Pitt, on a
half-dozen topics since maybe 1988, and I was happy to abandon
those tasks.

I was mainly a lurker in aue, though, for several years, while
writing multiple posts per day to questions in groups on statistics.

I could have learned about aue from someone cross-posting a
question on terminology. Or I could have learned about aue from
some news article, like where I learned about an entertaining
group where some researchers discussed their scientific colony
of lemurs.

--
Rich Ulrich

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

You found the right place.

--
athel

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

On 2019-05-13 21:56:54 +0000, Mack A. Damia said:

> On Mon, 13 May 2019 22:24:02 +0100, Katy Jennison
> <ka...@spamtrap.kjennison.com> wrote:
>
>> On 13/05/2019 21:58, Tony Cooper wrote:
>>> On Mon, 13 May 2019 21:44:18 +0100, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Well yes, but I suggested that you educate these individuals since
>>>> Google Groups is leading them into this error and you would seem to be
>>>> the most appropriate person to show them the light.
>>>>
>>>> After all, they might stick around and become valuable contributors.
>>>
>>> I do sometimes wonder how some people find this group and decide to
>>> post in it. I'd ask them, but the ones I wonder about are now in my
>>> killfile.
>>>
>>
>> This makes me wonder how I found it myself. Surely it can't have been
>> simply by trawling randomly through the usenet list, can it? Now this
>> will bother me for the rest of the day.
>
> Can you go back in Google Groups and find your first post?

That wouldn't help in my case: I lurked for at least a year before
posting. At the beginning I was put off by the bad atmosphere created
by Charles Riggs. People have tried to convince me that he was quite
lovable underneath, but I never discovered his lovable side.

>
> I am thinking that I may have had a question about English usage, and
> I found this group to ask my question. I am going to look for my
> first post now.

--
athel

[Mack A. Damia]

On Tue, 14 May 2019 20:09:37 +0200, Athel Cornish-Bowden
<acor...@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:

>On 2019-05-13 21:56:54 +0000, Mack A. Damia said:
>
>> On Mon, 13 May 2019 22:24:02 +0100, Katy Jennison
>> <ka...@spamtrap.kjennison.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 13/05/2019 21:58, Tony Cooper wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 13 May 2019 21:44:18 +0100, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Well yes, but I suggested that you educate these individuals since
>>>>> Google Groups is leading them into this error and you would seem to be
>>>>> the most appropriate person to show them the light.
>>>>>
>>>>> After all, they might stick around and become valuable contributors.
>>>>
>>>> I do sometimes wonder how some people find this group and decide to
>>>> post in it. I'd ask them, but the ones I wonder about are now in my
>>>> killfile.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This makes me wonder how I found it myself. Surely it can't have been
>>> simply by trawling randomly through the usenet list, can it? Now this
>>> will bother me for the rest of the day.
>>
>> Can you go back in Google Groups and find your first post?
>
>That wouldn't help in my case: I lurked for at least a year before
>posting. At the beginning I was put off by the bad atmosphere created
>by Charles Riggs. People have tried to convince me that he was quite
>lovable underneath, but I never discovered his lovable side.

Usenet is problematic in that respect. My own thought is that it is
best not to hold grudges. Unhealthy. Treat the newsgroup as if it is
new every time you log on. A short memory helps, and stay in the
"moment".

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Yes, but Donna was no more Dutch than I am French, I think.


--
athel

[Tony Cooper]

I know she wasn't Dutch. Originally from California, I thought. I
may be wrong. That's why I used just ".nl" as an indicator. She was
living there at the time.

[Sam Plusnet]

On those occasions when I have interacted with Usenet via Google
Groups[1] it is entirely clear to me that I am dealing with a Usenet
group. It isn't hidden from me in any way.

If it is evident to me, what is the difficulty for these other people?

[1] When I am away from home I often only have Android devices with me,
and I have never found a decent Usenet client for Android.

--
Sam Plusnet

[Peter Moylan]

On 15/05/19 04:09, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2019-05-13 21:56:54 +0000, Mack A. Damia said:

>> Can you go back in Google Groups and find your first post?
>
> That wouldn't help in my case: I lurked for at least a year before
> posting. At the beginning I was put off by the bad atmosphere created
> by Charles Riggs. People have tried to convince me that he was quite
> lovable underneath, but I never discovered his lovable side.

As I recall it, his mood followed a monthly cycle. He could be pleasant
if you picked the right phase of the moon.

[Tony Cooper]

On Wed, 15 May 2019 11:05:36 +1000, Peter Moylan
<pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:

>On 15/05/19 04:09, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>> On 2019-05-13 21:56:54 +0000, Mack A. Damia said:
>
>>> Can you go back in Google Groups and find your first post?
>>
>> That wouldn't help in my case: I lurked for at least a year before
>> posting. At the beginning I was put off by the bad atmosphere created
>> by Charles Riggs. People have tried to convince me that he was quite
>> lovable underneath, but I never discovered his lovable side.
>
>As I recall it, his mood followed a monthly cycle. He could be pleasant
>if you picked the right phase of the moon.

It was a cycle, but it was due - he said - to being bi-polar. He
switched from being very interesting to extremely aggressive very
quickly.

[Joy Beeson]

On Tue, 14 May 2019 22:02:32 +0100, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:

> On those occasions when I have interacted with Usenet via Google
> Groups[1] it is entirely clear to me that I am dealing with a Usenet
> group. It isn't hidden from me in any way.
>
> If it is evident to me, what is the difficulty for these other people?

You recognize Usenet when you see it. Most people see the word as
meaningless noise and dismiss it with the other meaningless
decorations.

--
Joy Beeson, U.S.A., mostly central Hoosier,
some Northern Indiana, Upstate New York, Florida, and Hawaii
joy beeson at comcast dot net http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
The above message is a Usenet post.
I don't recall having given anyone permission to use it on a Web site.

[Peter T. Daniels]

Because you were INTERacting with a Usenet group and using Google Groups
to do so. They are not. They are presented with an isolated message, not
something festooned with all the surroundings I see above and to the left
of the thread panel, nor with a thread panel. Just an isolated message.
Presumably it showed up when they searched something via a gmail provision.

> [1] When I am away from home I often only have Android devices with me,
> and I have never found a decent Usenet client for Android.

Doesn't that sufficiently answer your question?

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 10:03:17 PM UTC-4, Joy Beeson wrote:
> On Tue, 14 May 2019 22:02:32 +0100, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:
>
> > On those occasions when I have interacted with Usenet via Google
> > Groups[1] it is entirely clear to me that I am dealing with a Usenet
> > group. It isn't hidden from me in any way.
> >
> > If it is evident to me, what is the difficulty for these other people?
>
> You recognize Usenet when you see it. Most people see the word as
> meaningless noise and dismiss it with the other meaningless
> decorations.

The word "Usenet" appears nowhere in the Google Groups interface. I have
never seen the word outside this newsgroup. Maybe if I had known the word
"Usenet" in 2006 or whenever it was that I was forced from Mac to Windows
by an employer, the "Help" people at Verizon could have directed me to
something other than GG. The only thing they could connect "newsgroups"
with was Yahoo Groups, which were something else..

[Quinn C]

* Mack A. Damia:

> So I put "Damia" in the search window, and scrolled back for five
> minutes.
>
> Apparently, I posted a question to the group about "bully beef" on
> September 14, 2010. Topic:
>
> "Seen in the wild (i.e. a Vietnamese supermarket)"
> (Started by R. H. Drany)
>
> I can't scroll back any further.
>
> Are there other archives?

This has the years 2005-2014, roughly:

<http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.usage.english/>

But no search function - you'll have to open a month at a time.

<https://alt.usage.english.narkive.com>

Search doesn't work, but you can try using
"site:alt.usage.english.narkive.com" in Google.

<https://archive.org/download/usenet-alt>

Download the file. 2010-2013.

That's all I know for the moment.
--
They spend so much time fussing about my identity
that I really shouldn't have to bother with it
myself at all.
-- Margaret Atwood, The Edible Woman, p.223

[Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.]

On Thu, 16 May 2019 17:40:15 -0400, Quinn C <lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:
>* Mack A. Damia:
>
>> So I put "Damia" in the search window, and scrolled back for five
>> minutes.
>>
>> Apparently, I posted a question to the group about "bully beef" on
>> September 14, 2010. Topic:
>>
>> "Seen in the wild (i.e. a Vietnamese supermarket)"
>> (Started by R. H. Drany)
>>
>> I can't scroll back any further.
>>
>> Are there other archives?
>
>This has the years 2005-2014, roughly:
>
><http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.usage.english/>
>
>But no search function - you'll have to open a month at a time.
>
><https://alt.usage.english.narkive.com>
>
>Search doesn't work, but you can try using
>"site:alt.usage.english.narkive.com" in Google.
>
><https://archive.org/download/usenet-alt>
>
>Download the file. 2010-2013.
>
>That's all I know for the moment.

Freaking Google absorbed DejaVu and promptly
eliminated it. Deja used to maintain very complete
Usenet archives.

Typical of liberals to purposefully burn books.

--
Yours Truly, Sir Gregory

Nadegda and kensi » the twain are easily ignored
feminist bigots and republic-hating, leftist liars.

[Mack A. Damia]

On Fri, 17 May 2019 11:29:53 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
<greg...@home.fake> wrote:

>On Thu, 16 May 2019 17:40:15 -0400, Quinn C <lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:
>>* Mack A. Damia:
>>
>>> So I put "Damia" in the search window, and scrolled back for five
>>> minutes.
>>>
>>> Apparently, I posted a question to the group about "bully beef" on
>>> September 14, 2010. Topic:
>>>
>>> "Seen in the wild (i.e. a Vietnamese supermarket)"
>>> (Started by R. H. Drany)
>>>
>>> I can't scroll back any further.
>>>
>>> Are there other archives?
>>
>>This has the years 2005-2014, roughly:
>>
>><http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.usage.english/>
>>
>>But no search function - you'll have to open a month at a time.
>>
>><https://alt.usage.english.narkive.com>
>>
>>Search doesn't work, but you can try using
>>"site:alt.usage.english.narkive.com" in Google.
>>
>><https://archive.org/download/usenet-alt>
>>
>>Download the file. 2010-2013.
>>
>>That's all I know for the moment.
>
>Freaking Google absorbed DejaVu and promptly
>eliminated it. Deja used to maintain very complete
>Usenet archives.

I am going to have to re-subscribe as I am missing some messages
including Quinn's.

>Typical of liberals to purposefully burn books.

Have you seen the movie, "Thirteen Minutes"? Maybe not your kind of
film. Absolutely true, it could be viewed a semi-documentary.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
- George Santayana

[Kerr-Mudd,John]

On Fri, 17 May 2019 17:51:33 GMT, Mack A. Damia <drstee...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Not yet
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9274670/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

>
> "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
> - George Santayana

Say what again?

[Mack A. Damia]

On Fri, 17 May 2019 19:30:04 -0000 (UTC), "Kerr-Mudd,John"
<nots...@invalid.org> wrote:

>On Fri, 17 May 2019 17:51:33 GMT, Mack A. Damia <drstee...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 17 May 2019 11:29:53 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
>> <greg...@home.fake> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 16 May 2019 17:40:15 -0400, Quinn C
>>><lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:
>>>>* Mack A. Damia:
>>>>
>>>>> So I put "Damia" in the search window, and scrolled back for five
>>>>> minutes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apparently, I posted a question to the group about "bully beef" on
>>>>> September 14, 2010. Topic:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Seen in the wild (i.e. a Vietnamese supermarket)"
>>>>> (Started by R. H. Drany)
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't scroll back any further.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are there other archives?
>>>>
>>>>This has the years 2005-2014, roughly:
>>>>
>>>><http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.usage.english/>
>>>>
>>>>But no search function - you'll have to open a month at a time.
>>>>
>>>><https://alt.usage.english.narkive.com>
>>>>

>>>>That's all I know for the moment.
>>>
>>>Freaking Google absorbed DejaVu and promptly
>>>eliminated it. Deja used to maintain very complete
>>>Usenet archives.
>>
>> I am going to have to re-subscribe as I am missing some messages
>> including Quinn's.
>>
>>>Typical of liberals to purposefully burn books.
>>
>> Have you seen the movie, "Thirteen Minutes"? Maybe not your kind of
>> film. Absolutely true, it could be viewed a semi-documentary.
>
>Not yet
>https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9274670/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Watched it recently on Encore, and the DVD is for sale through Amazon.

Brutal. Nastiest execution scene I have ever witnessed near the end
of the film. One of many. Hard to believe that it all happened; the
era often seems surreal to me.

[Mack A. Damia]

On Fri, 17 May 2019 19:30:04 -0000 (UTC), "Kerr-Mudd,John"

Try this one:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1708135/

[Kerr-Mudd,John]

On Fri, 17 May 2019 20:10:36 GMT, Mack A. Damia <drstee...@yahoo.com>

No, thanks. Not my cup of tea.

[Tak To]

On 5/17/2019 3:55 PM, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> On Fri, 17 May 2019 19:30:04 -0000 (UTC), "Kerr-Mudd,John"
> <nots...@invalid.org> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 17 May 2019 17:51:33 GMT, Mack A. Damia <drstee...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:

>> [...]

>>> Have you seen the movie, "Thirteen Minutes"? Maybe not your kind of
>>> film. Absolutely true, it could be viewed a semi-documentary.
>>
>> Not yet
>> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9274670/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
>
> Watched it recently on Encore, and the DVD is for sale through Amazon.
>
> Brutal. Nastiest execution scene I have ever witnessed near the end
> of the film. One of many. Hard to believe that it all happened; the
> era often seems surreal to me.

Which film are you talking about? There is only one feature
length film called "Thirteen Minutes" in IMDB (see above), and
that one is still in development.

--
Tak
----------------------------------------------------------------+-----
Tak To ta...@alum.mit.eduxx
--------------------------------------------------------------------^^
[taode takto ~{LU5B~}] NB: trim the xx to get my real email addr

[snide...@gmail.com]

On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 3:44:45 PM UTC-7, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> On Mon, 13 May 2019 23:25:13 +0100, Katy Jennison
> <ka...@spamtrap.kjennison.com> wrote:
>
> >On 13/05/2019 22:56, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> On Mon, 13 May 2019 22:24:02 +0100, Katy Jennison
> >> <ka...@spamtrap.kjennison.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 13/05/2019 21:58, Tony Cooper wrote:
> >>>> On Mon, 13 May 2019 21:44:18 +0100, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Well yes, but I suggested that you educate these individuals since
> >>>>> Google Groups is leading them into this error and you would seem to be
> >>>>> the most appropriate person to show them the light.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> After all, they might stick around and become valuable contributors.
> >>>>
> >>>> I do sometimes wonder how some people find this group and decide to
> >>>> post in it. I'd ask them, but the ones I wonder about are now in my
> >>>> killfile.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> This makes me wonder how I found it myself. Surely it can't have been
> >>> simply by trawling randomly through the usenet list, can it? Now this
> >>> will bother me for the rest of the day.
> >>

> >> Can you go back in Google Groups and find your first post?
> >

> >It actually surfaced the other month, when someone posted a Google
> >Groups link to a much earlier discussion (last century) of something
> >someone had just asked a question about. I've now forgotten the topic
> >again, but what I do remember was that I began by saying I was new here,
> >and James Follett, who was often perceived as an acerbic poster, wrote
> >something welcoming in reply.
>

> I went to GGs current page of AUE and accessed "Show Activity" on the
> drop-down menu on the right, but I could only go back to 2017. Not
> certain what the problem is, but the archives are a mess with all the
> spam in this group.

>
> So I put "Damia" in the search window, and scrolled back for five
> minutes.
>
> Apparently, I posted a question to the group about "bully beef" on
> September 14, 2010. Topic:
>
> "Seen in the wild (i.e. a Vietnamese supermarket)"
> (Started by R. H. Drany)
>
> I can't scroll back any further.

You may need to have some specific keywords to search for,
but it sounds like you weren't using the long-form search box,
where you can specify date ranges and also who the post was by
(an author keyword, but the actual keyword varies at times).

I have found a very early post of mine, mid '80s IIRC,
back when I still lived in the Cascadia.

> Are there other archives?

We used to have a poster here who had every AUE post archived,
but alas he no longer sails the Irish Sea
and his heirs missed sending us the disk dump.

There a scattered few other web forum reading sites that have archived
portions of Usenet over the years,
and I think some of the diligent have turned AUE posts,
but none are as complete as GG's,
and nearly none have any of the period that DejaNews captured.

I think some of the utzoo archives were also shared with GG,
but I think the emphasis was on certain technical newsgroups
that have shrunk with the grounding of the Space Transportation System craft.

/dps

[snide...@gmail.com]

On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 10:28:13 PM UTC-7, Peter Moylan wrote:

> On 14/05/19 07:24, Katy Jennison wrote:
> > On 13/05/2019 21:58, Tony Cooper wrote:
> >> On Mon, 13 May 2019 21:44:18 +0100, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Well yes, but I suggested that you educate these individuals
> >>> since Google Groups is leading them into this error and you
> >>> would seem to be the most appropriate person to show them the
> >>> light.
> >>>
> >>> After all, they might stick around and become valuable
> >>> contributors.
> >>
> >> I do sometimes wonder how some people find this group and decide to
> >> post in it. I'd ask them, but the ones I wonder about are now in
> >> my killfile.
>

> The ones in your killfile have probably been on Usenet for years. Some
> of them (e.g. Jai Maharaj/Jay Stevens) have been posting to AUE for
> years, too. Others would have wandered in when their favourite
> newsgroups started shrinking, and they looked for more active groups.

Is that why a certain specious military rank and its followers are here?


/dps

[Kerr-Mudd,John]

I suspect they ruin one NG and then move on to another.

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Maybe, but a kernel infestation is not new in this group. It's just
intermittent.

--
athel

[CDB]

On 5/20/2019 2:49 AM, snide...@gmail.com wrote:
> Peter Moylan wrote:
>> Katy Jennison wrote:

>>> Tony Cooper wrote:
>>>> Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:

>>>>> Well yes, but I suggested that you educate these individuals
>>>>> since Google Groups is leading them into this error and you
>>>>> would seem to be the most appropriate person to show them
>>>>> the light.

>>>>> After all, they might stick around and become valuable
>>>>> contributors.

>>>> I do sometimes wonder how some people find this group and
>>>> decide to post in it. I'd ask them, but the ones I wonder
>>>> about are now in my killfile.

>> The ones in your killfile have probably been on Usenet for years.
>> Some of them (e.g. Jai Maharaj/Jay Stevens) have been posting to
>> AUE for years, too. Others would have wandered in when their
>> favourite newsgroups started shrinking, and they looked for more
>> active groups.

> Is that why a certain specious military rank and its followers are
> here?

My understanding of trolls is that they hope to take control of a
newsgroup, whether by flooding it with crosspostings (as P Hucker is
currently doing in AEU) or by posting outrageous or otherwise
provocative messages that some members feel they must respond to, or (no
doubt) by using other stratagems. In most cases they hope for a
reaction, and that requires a membership to read their dreck.

I don't do killfiles, but I seldom read the local trolls, and almost
never answer them. On a slow day I may mock them.

[Tibor Hajdu]

On Saturday, November 29, 2008 at 10:55:04 PM UTC, Marius Hancu wrote:
> Hello:
> Wasn't able to find the meaning of "Quilpish."
> Anyone?
> --------
> Behind him his cousin, the tall George, son of the fifth Forsyte, Roger,
> had a Quilpish look on his fleshy face, pondering one of his sardonic
> jests. Something inherent to the occasion had affected them all.
> John Galsworthy, The Forsyte Saga, p. 5
> --------
> Thanks.
> Marius Hancu

[Ross Clark]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quilp

[Peter Moylan]

I suspect that Marius had already been told the answer in 2008.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

[Janet]

In article <9a9a06b8-5b55-4e83-9c4c-
dae4ad...@googlegroups.com>, bue...@googlemail.com
says...

It's a literary allusion, likening George's facial
expression to Quilp.


Quilp was a notorious villain in The Old Curiosity Shop
(Charles Dickens).

Janet

[Ross Clark]

I like to be helpful. And maybe "Tibor" hadn't read that far.
And I wanted to know myself.

Haven't seen Marius for a while. I always enjoyed his posts; he read
interesting stuff and asked interesting questions.

[Ross Clark]

Oh dear, memory playing tricks again. Having consulted the archives, I
see that Marius has been regularly with us up to about a month ago.

[Sam Plusnet]

But not notorious enough - in 2008.

--
Sam Plusnet

[Janet]

In article <nltjL.2089972$qD%2.55...@fx08.ams1>,
n...@home.com says...

I hear Charles Dickens has died, very sad.

Janet

[Sam Plusnet]

Well that's my Christmas ruined!

--
Sam Plusnet

[Mack A. Damia]

Never fear. He has been resurrected.

"The Man Who Invented Christmas"

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6225520/