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Allo
May 9, 2014, 9:34:46 AM5/9/14
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There are some sentences and I'm not sure are they after all correctly
written (notice: some typos may appear):
- Nothing, I said it twicely.
- Do not in any circumstances use any more XP, it's no longer
supported.
- Are you interested to join our network?
- I'm bilingual, because I can write and read English and Finnish.
- Please change your nickname to better one.
- What you say to man, who have two white eyes? (I think that there is
no need to use "a" or "an".)
- This computer motherboard supports DDR3 RAM up to 32 GB.
- Too many sentences? There comes still one...
- Example: In yesterday, there rains cats and dogs.
--
On USENET since 2003
written (notice: some typos may appear):
- Nothing, I said it twicely.
- Do not in any circumstances use any more XP, it's no longer
supported.
- Are you interested to join our network?
- I'm bilingual, because I can write and read English and Finnish.
- Please change your nickname to better one.
- What you say to man, who have two white eyes? (I think that there is
no need to use "a" or "an".)
- This computer motherboard supports DDR3 RAM up to 32 GB.
- Too many sentences? There comes still one...
- Example: In yesterday, there rains cats and dogs.
--
On USENET since 2003
Horace LaBadie
May 9, 2014, 12:25:58 PM5/9/14
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In article <lkilhm$dm6$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
Twicely doesn't exist in any Standard English.
> - Do not in any circumstances use any more XP, it's no longer
> supported.
Do not under any circumstances use XP. It's no longer supported.
"Any more" is superfluous, but it would be placed at the end of the
sentence. "Do not under any circumstances use XP any more." However, the
words that you probably want are "any longer." "Do not under any
circumstances use XP any longer."
> - Are you interested to join our network?
Are you interested in joining...
> - I'm bilingual, because I can write and read English and Finnish.
I'm bilingual. I can read and write both English and Finnish.
> - Please change your nickname to better one.
>
> - What you say to man, who have two white eyes? (I think that there is
> no need to use "a" or "an".)
You are mistaken. The article is necessary.
"What do you say to a man who has two white eyes?" Note: "has," not
"have."
> - This computer motherboard supports DDR3 RAM up to 32 GB.
>
> - Too many sentences? There comes still one...
Still one more is coming...
There is still one more to come...
Note the position of "still."
You could also say:
There is another one coming...
Yet another is coming...
> - Example: In yesterday, there rains cats and dogs.
Yesterday, it rained cats and dogs.
That is a standard phrase in English. Besides, the event is in the past.
Allo <komodo...@isoallo.net> wrote:
> There are some sentences and I'm not sure are they after all correctly
> written (notice: some typos may appear):
>
> - Nothing, I said it twicely.
Nothing! I said it twice.
> There are some sentences and I'm not sure are they after all correctly
> written (notice: some typos may appear):
>
> - Nothing, I said it twicely.
Twicely doesn't exist in any Standard English.
> - Do not in any circumstances use any more XP, it's no longer
> supported.
"Any more" is superfluous, but it would be placed at the end of the
sentence. "Do not under any circumstances use XP any more." However, the
words that you probably want are "any longer." "Do not under any
circumstances use XP any longer."
> - Are you interested to join our network?
> - I'm bilingual, because I can write and read English and Finnish.
> - Please change your nickname to better one.
>
> - What you say to man, who have two white eyes? (I think that there is
> no need to use "a" or "an".)
"What do you say to a man who has two white eyes?" Note: "has," not
"have."
> - This computer motherboard supports DDR3 RAM up to 32 GB.
>
> - Too many sentences? There comes still one...
There is still one more to come...
Note the position of "still."
You could also say:
There is another one coming...
Yet another is coming...
> - Example: In yesterday, there rains cats and dogs.
That is a standard phrase in English. Besides, the event is in the past.
Peter T. Daniels
May 9, 2014, 1:18:20 PM5/9/14
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On Friday, May 9, 2014 9:34:46 AM UTC-4, Allo wrote:
> There are some sentences and I'm not sure are they after all correctly
> written (notice: some typos may appear):
This is a troll, right? Not one of those sentences is grammatical
> There are some sentences and I'm not sure are they after all correctly
> written (notice: some typos may appear):
(perhaps excepting the one about a computer motherboard, since the
abbreviations may stand for things that aren't properly construed),
and there is no way anyone could have legitimately come up with
"twicely." And that that was the first one in the list shows that
it was all a goof.
Guy Barry
May 9, 2014, 1:24:58 PM5/9/14
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"Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message
news:b17cf2af-18ef-4518...@googlegroups.com...
Yes - in fact probably the first *genuine* troll that I've seen on this
group (as opposed to the various posters who are accused of being trolls
because other people don't like their style).
--
Guy Barry
news:b17cf2af-18ef-4518...@googlegroups.com...
group (as opposed to the various posters who are accused of being trolls
because other people don't like their style).
--
Guy Barry
Reinhold {Rey} Aman
May 9, 2014, 1:42:01 PM5/9/14
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Guy Barry wrote:
>
> "Peter T. Daniels" wrote...
>> Allo wrote:
>>
[...]
He's no troll; he's Finnish and has posted here for years.
--
~~~ Reinhold {Rey} Aman ~~~
>
> "Peter T. Daniels" wrote...
>> Allo wrote:
>>
[...]
>>
>> This is a troll, right?
>>
Wrong.
>> This is a troll, right?
>>
>
> Yes - in fact probably the first *genuine* troll
>
Wrong, Mr Busybody.
> Yes - in fact probably the first *genuine* troll
>
He's no troll; he's Finnish and has posted here for years.
--
~~~ Reinhold {Rey} Aman ~~~
Guy Barry
May 9, 2014, 1:55:26 PM5/9/14
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"Reinhold {Rey} Aman" wrote in message news:536D1365...@sonic.net...
from 2005:
" Could someone say, what means word 'teh'?
I can't find it my wordbook. I think it's parodyword from 'the'
I have another question, is these sentences wroten right:
- I like Frutti di Mare pizza, but it must be without oregano.
- Do you like this drink, where is slice of ananas?
- I like Titanic-movie, but it contains some movie faults (elokuvamoka)
- What is your favourite music genre?
- Could you tell, what are you try to repair?
- How much cost one night in this motel?
- I'm sorry, but I must go now in my employment/job.
Please wrote under the sentence if something is wroten wrong.
Big Al
PS. I try learn some 'difficult' sentences in this group. "
If he's learned nothing about English in the intervening nine years then I
think he's wasting his time. (That's not the only post of his I read, by
the way; they're all like that as far as I can see.)
--
Guy Barry
>
>Guy Barry wrote:
>>
>> "Peter T. Daniels" wrote...
>>> Allo wrote:
>>>
>[...]
>>>
>>> This is a troll, right?
>>>
>Wrong.
>>
>> Yes - in fact probably the first *genuine* troll
>>
>Wrong, Mr Busybody.
>
>He's no troll; he's Finnish and has posted here for years.
I didn't know he'd been posting here for years, but here's a post of his
>Guy Barry wrote:
>>
>> "Peter T. Daniels" wrote...
>>> Allo wrote:
>>>
>[...]
>>>
>>> This is a troll, right?
>>>
>Wrong.
>>
>> Yes - in fact probably the first *genuine* troll
>>
>Wrong, Mr Busybody.
>
>He's no troll; he's Finnish and has posted here for years.
from 2005:
" Could someone say, what means word 'teh'?
I can't find it my wordbook. I think it's parodyword from 'the'
I have another question, is these sentences wroten right:
- I like Frutti di Mare pizza, but it must be without oregano.
- Do you like this drink, where is slice of ananas?
- I like Titanic-movie, but it contains some movie faults (elokuvamoka)
- What is your favourite music genre?
- Could you tell, what are you try to repair?
- How much cost one night in this motel?
- I'm sorry, but I must go now in my employment/job.
Please wrote under the sentence if something is wroten wrong.
Big Al
PS. I try learn some 'difficult' sentences in this group. "
If he's learned nothing about English in the intervening nine years then I
think he's wasting his time. (That's not the only post of his I read, by
the way; they're all like that as far as I can see.)
--
Guy Barry
Lanarcam
May 9, 2014, 2:42:24 PM5/9/14
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Le 09/05/2014 19:55, Guy Barry a �crit :
a troll? Someone who doesn't master the English language or who
has difficulties learning it?
Or is a troll some nasty troublemaker who tries to disrupt a group?
Is a troll someone who doesnt fit in and in that sense can't
everybody be the troll of someone else?
> "Reinhold {Rey} Aman" wrote in message news:536D1365...@sonic.net...
>>
>> Guy Barry wrote:
>>>
>>> "Peter T. Daniels" wrote...
>>>> Allo wrote:
>>>>
>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> This is a troll, right?
>>>>
>> Wrong.
>>>
>>> Yes - in fact probably the first *genuine* troll
>>>
>> Wrong, Mr Busybody.
>>
>> He's no troll; he's Finnish and has posted here for years.
>
> I didn't know he'd been posting here for years, but here's a post of his
> from 2005:
>
> " Could someone say, what means word 'teh'?
> I can't find it my wordbook. I think it's parodyword from 'the'
>>
>> Guy Barry wrote:
>>>
>>> "Peter T. Daniels" wrote...
>>>> Allo wrote:
>>>>
>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> This is a troll, right?
>>>>
>> Wrong.
>>>
>>> Yes - in fact probably the first *genuine* troll
>>>
>> Wrong, Mr Busybody.
>>
>> He's no troll; he's Finnish and has posted here for years.
>
> I didn't know he'd been posting here for years, but here's a post of his
> from 2005:
>
> " Could someone say, what means word 'teh'?
> I can't find it my wordbook. I think it's parodyword from 'the'
> PS. I try learn some 'difficult' sentences in this group. "
>
> If he's learned nothing about English in the intervening nine years then
> I think he's wasting his time. (That's not the only post of his I read,
> by the way; they're all like that as far as I can see.)
>
Why does that make him a troll? Besides, what is your definition of
>
> If he's learned nothing about English in the intervening nine years then
> I think he's wasting his time. (That's not the only post of his I read,
> by the way; they're all like that as far as I can see.)
>
a troll? Someone who doesn't master the English language or who
has difficulties learning it?
Or is a troll some nasty troublemaker who tries to disrupt a group?
Is a troll someone who doesnt fit in and in that sense can't
everybody be the troll of someone else?
CDB
May 9, 2014, 3:22:53 PM5/9/14
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for years; I do believe his English is slowly improving.
Peter T. Daniels
May 9, 2014, 5:42:22 PM5/9/14
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sees responses?
Mike L
May 9, 2014, 8:10:35 PM5/9/14
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and making inferences. I'm sure his enquiiries are sincere, but it
took me a while to get used to them. Better than the woman whose
"questions" are totally empty, and who won't use a dictionary at all.
--
Mike.
Guy Barry
May 10, 2014, 3:02:21 AM5/10/14
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"Lanarcam" wrote in message news:536d2196$0$2079$426a...@news.free.fr...
subject line is written in deliberately fractured English: "again, some
sentences, I need also help". So is his introductory text: "there are some
that I've checked. It's a parody of the way that some language learners
write. The non-native speakers who post genuine queries here don't write
like that; their English is generally very good.
>Or is a troll some nasty troublemaker who tries to disrupt a group?
Maybe "troll" is too strong a word, but he's clearly trying to fool people
into responding to his posts as though they were genuine queries. Let's see
if he comes back to Horace LaBadie's reply.
--
Guy Barry
>
>Le 09/05/2014 19:55, Guy Barry a �crit :
>Le 09/05/2014 19:55, Guy Barry a �crit :
>> I didn't know he'd been posting here for years, but here's a post of his
>> from 2005:
>>
>> " Could someone say, what means word 'teh'?
>> I can't find it my wordbook. I think it's parodyword from 'the'
>> PS. I try learn some 'difficult' sentences in this group. "
>>
>> If he's learned nothing about English in the intervening nine years then
>> I think he's wasting his time. (That's not the only post of his I read,
>> by the way; they're all like that as far as I can see.)
>>
>Why does that make him a troll? Besides, what is your definition of
>a troll? Someone who doesn't master the English language or who
>has difficulties learning it?
It's perfectly obvious to me that he's doing this deliberately for fun. His
>> from 2005:
>>
>> " Could someone say, what means word 'teh'?
>> I can't find it my wordbook. I think it's parodyword from 'the'
>> PS. I try learn some 'difficult' sentences in this group. "
>>
>> If he's learned nothing about English in the intervening nine years then
>> I think he's wasting his time. (That's not the only post of his I read,
>> by the way; they're all like that as far as I can see.)
>>
>Why does that make him a troll? Besides, what is your definition of
>a troll? Someone who doesn't master the English language or who
>has difficulties learning it?
subject line is written in deliberately fractured English: "again, some
sentences, I need also help". So is his introductory text: "there are some
sentences and I'm not sure are they after all correctly written (notice:
some typos may appear)". This is also true for all the old posts of his
that I've checked. It's a parody of the way that some language learners
write. The non-native speakers who post genuine queries here don't write
like that; their English is generally very good.
>Or is a troll some nasty troublemaker who tries to disrupt a group?
into responding to his posts as though they were genuine queries. Let's see
if he comes back to Horace LaBadie's reply.
--
Guy Barry
Peter Moylan
May 10, 2014, 3:04:37 AM5/10/14
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On 10/05/14 03:55, Guy Barry wrote:
> "Reinhold {Rey} Aman" wrote in message news:536D1365...@sonic.net...
> "Reinhold {Rey} Aman" wrote in message news:536D1365...@sonic.net...
>> He's no troll; he's Finnish and has posted here for years.
> If he's learned nothing about English in the intervening nine years then
> I think he's wasting his time. (That's not the only post of his I read,
> by the way; they're all like that as far as I can see.)
How much has your Finnish improved in the last nine years?
> I think he's wasting his time. (That's not the only post of his I read,
> by the way; they're all like that as far as I can see.)
--
Peter Moylan, Newcastle, NSW, Australia. http://www.pmoylan.org
For an e-mail address, see my web page.
Guy Barry
May 10, 2014, 4:43:25 AM5/10/14
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"Mike L" wrote in message
news:8arqm996eqoqs2rrt...@4ax.com...
posts:
' Hi all, I must ask here something now. I have an sentence and then I
thinked is there some differential between three sentences?
1a: So bad that these trees are too common right now.
1b: Too bad, but these trees are so common right now.
1c: Too bad but these trees are so common right now.
Okay, there are another sentence at this time:
2a: I buy old locks and keys now, do you have some extras?
2b: I will buy some old locks and keys now, do you have some extras?
2c: At this moment, I buy old locks and keys now, do you have some
extras?
Between a, b and c, is there some big differential between these tree
sentences?
Question is: Which sentence contains most errors (1a, b or c and
2 a, b, or c?)
I knew it, there are many errors, is this right? '
It's a parody of language learners. I can't believe anyone takes him
seriously.
--
Guy Barry
news:8arqm996eqoqs2rrt...@4ax.com...
>
>On Fri, 09 May 2014 15:22:53 -0400, CDB <belle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>I don't think so. Iso Allo has been posting occasional questions here
>>for years; I do believe his English is slowly improving.
>>
>He seems to be learning it mostly by looking up words in a dictionary
>and making inferences. I'm sure his enquiiries are sincere, but it
>took me a while to get used to them.
Oh come off it, he's clearly having you all on. Here's another of his
>On Fri, 09 May 2014 15:22:53 -0400, CDB <belle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>I don't think so. Iso Allo has been posting occasional questions here
>>for years; I do believe his English is slowly improving.
>>
>He seems to be learning it mostly by looking up words in a dictionary
>and making inferences. I'm sure his enquiiries are sincere, but it
>took me a while to get used to them.
posts:
' Hi all, I must ask here something now. I have an sentence and then I
thinked is there some differential between three sentences?
1a: So bad that these trees are too common right now.
1b: Too bad, but these trees are so common right now.
1c: Too bad but these trees are so common right now.
Okay, there are another sentence at this time:
2a: I buy old locks and keys now, do you have some extras?
2b: I will buy some old locks and keys now, do you have some extras?
2c: At this moment, I buy old locks and keys now, do you have some
extras?
Between a, b and c, is there some big differential between these tree
sentences?
Question is: Which sentence contains most errors (1a, b or c and
2 a, b, or c?)
I knew it, there are many errors, is this right? '
It's a parody of language learners. I can't believe anyone takes him
seriously.
--
Guy Barry
Guy Barry
May 10, 2014, 5:42:11 AM5/10/14
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"Peter Moylan" wrote in message news:536dcf86$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
--
Guy Barry
>
>On 10/05/14 03:55, Guy Barry wrote:
>> "Reinhold {Rey} Aman" wrote in message
>> news:536D1365...@sonic.net...
>
>>> He's no troll; he's Finnish and has posted here for years.
>
>> If he's learned nothing about English in the intervening nine years then
>> I think he's wasting his time. (That's not the only post of his I read,
>> by the way; they're all like that as far as I can see.)
>
>How much has your Finnish improved in the last nine years?
Not at all, but then I don't make any pretence that I've been learning it.
>On 10/05/14 03:55, Guy Barry wrote:
>> "Reinhold {Rey} Aman" wrote in message
>> news:536D1365...@sonic.net...
>
>>> He's no troll; he's Finnish and has posted here for years.
>
>> If he's learned nothing about English in the intervening nine years then
>> I think he's wasting his time. (That's not the only post of his I read,
>> by the way; they're all like that as far as I can see.)
>
>How much has your Finnish improved in the last nine years?
--
Guy Barry
Allo
May 10, 2014, 6:24:28 AM5/10/14
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Hetken miettimisen johdosta Guy Barry kirjoitti:
I'm serious and I'm not a troll. Also these texts in first line like
this: "Hetken miettimisen johdosta Guy Barry kirjoitti" was pre-setted
in my newsleader, I can't change these so simply.
this: "Hetken miettimisen johdosta Guy Barry kirjoitti" was pre-setted
in my newsleader, I can't change these so simply.
Allo
May 10, 2014, 6:31:30 AM5/10/14
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Guy Barry kirjoitti:
this Aioe.org, I can see even older messages. Reason: Long text
retention in Giganews USENET server. Also this server limits postings
up to 24-26 messages per day. Hopefully, I have also Eternal-september,
but this chat goes now very badly in side-rails.
> "Reinhold {Rey} Aman" wrote in message news:536D1365...@sonic.net...
>>
>>Guy Barry wrote:
>>>
>>> "Peter T. Daniels" wrote...
>>>> Allo wrote:
>>>>
>>[...]
>>>>
>>>> This is a troll, right?
>>>>
>>Wrong.
>>>
>>> Yes - in fact probably the first *genuine* troll
>>>
>>Wrong, Mr Busybody.
>>
>>He's no troll; he's Finnish and has posted here for years.
>
> I didn't know he'd been posting here for years, but here's a post of his from
> 2005:
>
>>
>>Guy Barry wrote:
>>>
>>> "Peter T. Daniels" wrote...
>>>> Allo wrote:
>>>>
>>[...]
>>>>
>>>> This is a troll, right?
>>>>
>>Wrong.
>>>
>>> Yes - in fact probably the first *genuine* troll
>>>
>>Wrong, Mr Busybody.
>>
>>He's no troll; he's Finnish and has posted here for years.
>
> I didn't know he'd been posting here for years, but here's a post of his from
> 2005:
>
> If he's learned nothing about English in the intervening nine years then I
> think he's wasting his time. (That's not the only post of his I read, by the
> way; they're all like that as far as I can see.)
From 2005? I'm not archeology (sarcasm), but if I use Gignews instead
> think he's wasting his time. (That's not the only post of his I read, by the
> way; they're all like that as far as I can see.)
this Aioe.org, I can see even older messages. Reason: Long text
retention in Giganews USENET server. Also this server limits postings
up to 24-26 messages per day. Hopefully, I have also Eternal-september,
but this chat goes now very badly in side-rails.
Allo
May 10, 2014, 6:42:02 AM5/10/14
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Guy Barry nￜpytteli tekstikenttￜￜnsￜ:
flame other poster than praise him?
Also, if I want to put in table all grammars what some foreign wrote in
Finnish, then there is dozens of grammar errors. Still I don't want to
stigmatize as troll.
>>Or is a troll some nasty troublemaker who tries to disrupt a group?
>
> Maybe "troll" is too strong a word, but he's clearly trying to fool people
> into responding to his posts as though they were genuine queries. Let's see
> if he comes back to Horace LaBadie's reply.
Can you understand itself anything in Finnish? :)
> "Lanarcam" wrote in message news:536d2196$0$2079$426a...@news.free.fr...
>>
>>Le 09/05/2014 19:55, Guy Barry a ï¿œcrit :
>>
>
>>> I didn't know he'd been posting here for years, but here's a post of his
>>> from 2005:
>>>
>>> " Could someone say, what means word 'teh'?
>>> I can't find it my wordbook. I think it's parodyword from 'the'
>>> PS. I try learn some 'difficult' sentences in this group. "
>>>
>>> If he's learned nothing about English in the intervening nine years then
>>> I think he's wasting his time. (That's not the only post of his I read,
>>> by the way; they're all like that as far as I can see.)
>>>
>>Why does that make him a troll? Besides, what is your definition of
>>a troll? Someone who doesn't master the English language or who
>>has difficulties learning it?
>
> It's perfectly obvious to me that he's doing this deliberately for fun. His
> subject line is written in deliberately fractured English: "again, some
> sentences, I need also help". So is his introductory text: "there are some
> sentences and I'm not sure are they after all correctly written (notice: some
> typos may appear)". This is also true for all the old posts of his that I've
> checked. It's a parody of the way that some language learners write. The
> non-native speakers who post genuine queries here don't write like that;
> their English is generally very good.
>
I've thinked this very hard, but why people more necessary likes to
>>> I didn't know he'd been posting here for years, but here's a post of his
>>> from 2005:
>>>
>>> " Could someone say, what means word 'teh'?
>>> I can't find it my wordbook. I think it's parodyword from 'the'
>>> PS. I try learn some 'difficult' sentences in this group. "
>>>
>>> If he's learned nothing about English in the intervening nine years then
>>> I think he's wasting his time. (That's not the only post of his I read,
>>> by the way; they're all like that as far as I can see.)
>>>
>>Why does that make him a troll? Besides, what is your definition of
>>a troll? Someone who doesn't master the English language or who
>>has difficulties learning it?
>
> It's perfectly obvious to me that he's doing this deliberately for fun. His
> subject line is written in deliberately fractured English: "again, some
> sentences, I need also help". So is his introductory text: "there are some
> sentences and I'm not sure are they after all correctly written (notice: some
> typos may appear)". This is also true for all the old posts of his that I've
> checked. It's a parody of the way that some language learners write. The
> non-native speakers who post genuine queries here don't write like that;
> their English is generally very good.
>
flame other poster than praise him?
Also, if I want to put in table all grammars what some foreign wrote in
Finnish, then there is dozens of grammar errors. Still I don't want to
stigmatize as troll.
>>Or is a troll some nasty troublemaker who tries to disrupt a group?
>
> Maybe "troll" is too strong a word, but he's clearly trying to fool people
> into responding to his posts as though they were genuine queries. Let's see
> if he comes back to Horace LaBadie's reply.
Guy Barry
May 10, 2014, 6:50:43 AM5/10/14
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"Allo" wrote in message news:lkkuor$jj4$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
>I'm serious and I'm not a troll.
Your English has suddenly improved.
If you *are* a genuine language learner, then I apologize.
--
Guy Barry
>I'm serious and I'm not a troll.
If you *are* a genuine language learner, then I apologize.
--
Guy Barry
Allo
May 10, 2014, 6:54:16 AM5/10/14
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Hetken miettimisen johdosta CDB kirjoitti:
Some even told me, but not in this group; that I'm fast to learn but
I myself speake those phrases, what I've learned since 2005. Also I was
my own reasons to ask those sentences. So, why it need special and
unique subject?
Let me guess: there are thousands and thousands of
messages and some day some other person will use same subject? Correct?
I myself speake those phrases, what I've learned since 2005. Also I was
my own reasons to ask those sentences. So, why it need special and
unique subject?
Let me guess: there are thousands and thousands of
messages and some day some other person will use same subject? Correct?
Guy Barry
May 10, 2014, 6:56:14 AM5/10/14
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"Allo" wrote in message news:lkkvpp$mb8$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
>I've thinked this very hard, but why people more necessary likes to
>flame other poster than praise him?
I'm very sorry, but to me that sounds like a deliberate attempt to write bad
English. They don't sound like the sort of mistakes that a genuine language
learner would make. I can't comment any further I'm afraid.
--
Guy Barry
>I've thinked this very hard, but why people more necessary likes to
>flame other poster than praise him?
English. They don't sound like the sort of mistakes that a genuine language
learner would make. I can't comment any further I'm afraid.
--
Guy Barry
Allo
May 10, 2014, 7:03:10 AM5/10/14
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Hetken miettimisen johdosta Peter T. Daniels kirjoitti:
Of course I return, but I have also must live IRL too. Like now, I
wrote my answer for you. Sometimes I'm for a little tired to proofread
my text twicely or more time. When I posted my message, where I
explained those sentences, I only proofread it approximately.
wrote my answer for you. Sometimes I'm for a little tired to proofread
my text twicely or more time. When I posted my message, where I
explained those sentences, I only proofread it approximately.
Allo
May 10, 2014, 7:07:06 AM5/10/14
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Guy Barry nￜpytteli tekstikenttￜￜnsￜ:
Allo
May 10, 2014, 7:20:52 AM5/10/14
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Niinpￜ sitten kￜvi, ettￜ Horace LaBadie kirjoitti :
I even thinked to answer here something, but I don't do it, because my
answer should be wrongly written and also, all others flame me to the
troll.
answer should be wrongly written and also, all others flame me to the
troll.
CDB
May 10, 2014, 8:38:03 AM5/10/14
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On 09/05/2014 8:10 PM, Mike L wrote:
And who doesn't take the hint. The 'Saurus doesn't try to occupy the
place: a few questions and comments, and peace is restored. Criminal
intent is more persistent.
place: a few questions and comments, and peace is restored. Criminal
intent is more persistent.
Richard Yates
May 10, 2014, 9:32:39 AM5/10/14
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On Sat, 10 May 2014 13:42:02 +0300, Allo <komodo...@isoallo.net>
wrote:
>Guy Barry näpytteli tekstikenttäänsä:
Personally I do not. And I enjoy occasionally helping English learners
who post here.
Since the legitimacy of these posts has been questioned, and the
poster says that his native language is Finnish, can anyone here give
us an informed opinion as to whether the types of English syntax
errors that he makes are predictable from Finnish syntax?
wrote:
>Guy Barry näpytteli tekstikenttäänsä:
who post here.
Since the legitimacy of these posts has been questioned, and the
poster says that his native language is Finnish, can anyone here give
us an informed opinion as to whether the types of English syntax
errors that he makes are predictable from Finnish syntax?
Lars Enderin
May 10, 2014, 9:42:21 AM5/10/14
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English, which is very different from his native language, Finnish. I
don't know if he has made any serious attempt to get educated in English
since he first posted here. Self-education does not seem to work, anyway.
--
Lars Enderin
Reinhold {Rey} Aman
May 10, 2014, 11:58:08 AM5/10/14
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Guy Barry wrote about Allo:
FUCK UP and stop making false accusations about that Finnish fellow.
*DON'T REPLY*. Just *SHUT THE FUCK UP* already.
>
> It's perfectly obvious to me that he's doing this
> deliberately for fun.
>
And elsewhere:
> It's perfectly obvious to me that he's doing this
> deliberately for fun.
>
>
> Oh come off it, he's clearly having you all on.
>
And elsewhere:
> Oh come off it, he's clearly having you all on.
>
>
> I'm very sorry, but to me that sounds like a deliberate
> attempt to write bad English.
>
And elsewhere:
> I'm very sorry, but to me that sounds like a deliberate
> attempt to write bad English.
>
>
> It's a parody of language learners. I can't believe anyone
> takes him seriously.
>
Barry, you annoying and *obsessive-compulsive git*, will you SHUT THE
> It's a parody of language learners. I can't believe anyone
> takes him seriously.
>
FUCK UP and stop making false accusations about that Finnish fellow.
*DON'T REPLY*. Just *SHUT THE FUCK UP* already.
Don Phillipson
May 10, 2014, 4:26:06 PM5/10/14
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"Allo" <komodo...@isoallo.net> wrote in message
news:lkilhm$dm6$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
> There are some sentences and I'm not sure are they after all correctly
> written (notice: some typos may appear):
>
> - Nothing, I said it twicely.
Correct to TWICE: twicely is not an English word.
> - Do not in any circumstances use any more XP, it's no longer supported.
When "not . . . any more" means "no longer" it must follow the noun,
e.g. "Do not ride that red horse any more." Phrases like "any more ABC"
usually mean quantitatively less of ABC, e.g. "Do not put any more lemon
juice into the mayonnaise."
> - Are you interested to join our network?
"Interested" in this sense is usually followed by the gerund, e.g.
"Are you interested in joining the club?"
> - I'm bilingual, because I can write and read English and Finnish.
OK
> - Please change your nickname to better one.
The indefinite article A is necessary: "change your
nickname to a better one." Articles are usually necessary
before (singular) English nouns. In sentences like this the
definite article THE is used to identify something specific
or definite, e.g. "change your password to the default."
> - What you say to man, who have two white eyes? (I think that there is
> no need to use "a" or "an".)
Yes, the a/m rule also applies here. We also require the auxiliary
verb do/did, "What do you say . . ."
. . .
not exist in English, where the standard form is: "it is/was raining
cats and dogs."
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)
news:lkilhm$dm6$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
> There are some sentences and I'm not sure are they after all correctly
> written (notice: some typos may appear):
>
> - Nothing, I said it twicely.
> - Do not in any circumstances use any more XP, it's no longer supported.
e.g. "Do not ride that red horse any more." Phrases like "any more ABC"
usually mean quantitatively less of ABC, e.g. "Do not put any more lemon
juice into the mayonnaise."
> - Are you interested to join our network?
"Are you interested in joining the club?"
> - I'm bilingual, because I can write and read English and Finnish.
> - Please change your nickname to better one.
nickname to a better one." Articles are usually necessary
before (singular) English nouns. In sentences like this the
definite article THE is used to identify something specific
or definite, e.g. "change your password to the default."
> - What you say to man, who have two white eyes? (I think that there is
> no need to use "a" or "an".)
verb do/did, "What do you say . . ."
. . .
> - Example: In yesterday, there rains cats and dogs.
No, this is a French or German usage (il pleut, es regnet) that does
not exist in English, where the standard form is: "it is/was raining
cats and dogs."
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)
Bertel Lund Hansen
May 10, 2014, 7:10:53 PM5/10/14
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Don Phillipson skrev:
> Correct to TWICE: twicely is not an English word.
I agee, and so do serious dictionaries, but this one has an entry
for "twicely":
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Twicely
There's even a domain and an active homepage with that word:
http://www.twicely.co.uk/
--
bertel.lundhansen.dk fiduso.dk obese.dk
> Correct to TWICE: twicely is not an English word.
for "twicely":
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Twicely
There's even a domain and an active homepage with that word:
http://www.twicely.co.uk/
--
bertel.lundhansen.dk fiduso.dk obese.dk
Peter Moylan
May 10, 2014, 9:19:33 PM5/10/14
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On 10/05/14 21:20, Allo wrote:
> I even thinked to answer here something, but I don't do it, because my
> answer should be wrongly written and also, all others flame me to the
> troll.
"All others" is incorrect. The two people who called you a troll get
> I even thinked to answer here something, but I don't do it, because my
> answer should be wrongly written and also, all others flame me to the
> troll.
frequent complaints about their own posting style.
Peter Moylan
May 10, 2014, 9:38:04 PM5/10/14
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People who post here from Sweden or Germany or the Netherlands produce
quite readable English, because the languages in question are closely
related. The grammatical structures are not identical, but they're near
enough to make learning easier.
Finnish is so different from English that it's a little surprising that
communication is possible at all.
Peter Moylan
May 10, 2014, 9:52:06 PM5/10/14
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On 11/05/14 09:10, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> Don Phillipson skrev:
>
>> Correct to TWICE: twicely is not an English word.
>
> I agee, and so do serious dictionaries, but this one has an entry
> for "twicely":
>
> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Twicely
>
> There's even a domain and an active homepage with that word:
>
> http://www.twicely.co.uk/
>
The Urban Dictionary seems to have many faulty entries. Anyone trying to
> Don Phillipson skrev:
>
>> Correct to TWICE: twicely is not an English word.
>
> I agee, and so do serious dictionaries, but this one has an entry
> for "twicely":
>
> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Twicely
>
> There's even a domain and an active homepage with that word:
>
> http://www.twicely.co.uk/
>
learn English should avoid it.
Guy Barry
May 11, 2014, 4:06:29 AM5/11/14
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"Peter Moylan" wrote in message news:536ed47c$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>The difference between English and Finnish is very much to the point.
>People who post here from Sweden or Germany or the Netherlands produce
>quite readable English, because the languages in question are closely
>related. The grammatical structures are not identical, but they're near
>enough to make learning easier.
>
>Finnish is so different from English that it's a little surprising that
>communication is possible at all.
Yes, it's a completely different language family. I'm prepared to accept
that Allo's writing may reflect the syntactic structure of Finnish, which is
a language that I know little about.
--
Guy Barry
>The difference between English and Finnish is very much to the point.
>People who post here from Sweden or Germany or the Netherlands produce
>quite readable English, because the languages in question are closely
>related. The grammatical structures are not identical, but they're near
>enough to make learning easier.
>
>Finnish is so different from English that it's a little surprising that
>communication is possible at all.
that Allo's writing may reflect the syntactic structure of Finnish, which is
a language that I know little about.
--
Guy Barry
Guy Barry
May 11, 2014, 4:13:13 AM5/11/14
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"Peter Moylan" wrote in message news:536ed7c6$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
it was intended as a dictionary of slang terms not found in conventional
dictionaries, although it now seems to have widened its remit. Anyone can
submit material to it without registering, and the quality control process
is rather arbitrary, according to Wikipedia:
"By default, each definition is automatically accepted or rejected based on
the number of 'Publish' or 'Don't Publish' votes it receives by editors,
comprising volunteers of the public. There are no criteria that editors have
to follow in approving or rejecting definitions; often definitions are not
even read during the decision process."
(Curiously, I couldn't find anything about this on the site itself.)
--
Guy Barry
>
>On 11/05/14 09:10, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
>> Don Phillipson skrev:
>>
>>> Correct to TWICE: twicely is not an English word.
>>
>> I agee, and so do serious dictionaries, but this one has an entry
>> for "twicely":
>>
>> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Twicely
>>
>> There's even a domain and an active homepage with that word:
>>
>> http://www.twicely.co.uk/
>>
>The Urban Dictionary seems to have many faulty entries. Anyone trying to
>learn English should avoid it.
That's hardly surprising. It's not meant to be a conventional dictionary;
>On 11/05/14 09:10, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
>> Don Phillipson skrev:
>>
>>> Correct to TWICE: twicely is not an English word.
>>
>> I agee, and so do serious dictionaries, but this one has an entry
>> for "twicely":
>>
>> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Twicely
>>
>> There's even a domain and an active homepage with that word:
>>
>> http://www.twicely.co.uk/
>>
>The Urban Dictionary seems to have many faulty entries. Anyone trying to
>learn English should avoid it.
it was intended as a dictionary of slang terms not found in conventional
dictionaries, although it now seems to have widened its remit. Anyone can
submit material to it without registering, and the quality control process
is rather arbitrary, according to Wikipedia:
"By default, each definition is automatically accepted or rejected based on
the number of 'Publish' or 'Don't Publish' votes it receives by editors,
comprising volunteers of the public. There are no criteria that editors have
to follow in approving or rejecting definitions; often definitions are not
even read during the decision process."
(Curiously, I couldn't find anything about this on the site itself.)
--
Guy Barry
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Peter Duncanson [BrE]
May 11, 2014, 7:23:32 AM5/11/14
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On Sun, 11 May 2014 11:52:06 +1000, Peter Moylan
<pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>On 11/05/14 09:10, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
>> Don Phillipson skrev:
>>
>>> Correct to TWICE: twicely is not an English word.
>>
>> I agee, and so do serious dictionaries, but this one has an entry
>> for "twicely":
>>
>> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Twicely
>>
>> There's even a domain and an active homepage with that word:
>>
>> http://www.twicely.co.uk/
>>
>The Urban Dictionary seems to have many faulty entries.
I'm not sure that the "twicely" entry is faulty. It may be an accurate
<pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>On 11/05/14 09:10, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
>> Don Phillipson skrev:
>>
>>> Correct to TWICE: twicely is not an English word.
>>
>> I agee, and so do serious dictionaries, but this one has an entry
>> for "twicely":
>>
>> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Twicely
>>
>> There's even a domain and an active homepage with that word:
>>
>> http://www.twicely.co.uk/
>>
>The Urban Dictionary seems to have many faulty entries.
record of how someone has used the word.
People invent words and phrases, and new uses for existing words and
phrases all the time.
For instance "Work Boyfriend". I've no reason to doubt that some people
use the phrase but there is an interesting spelling in the definition:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Work+Boyfriend
Work Boyfriend
Favourite male co-worker who you get along with really well and
enjoy spending time with but in a plutonic way. He's your boyfriend
between 9 and 5 without the sex.
"plutonic"?
> Anyone trying to
>learn English should avoid it.
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
Dr Nick
May 11, 2014, 7:30:15 AM5/11/14
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pauljk
May 11, 2014, 7:58:06 AM5/11/14
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"Dr Nick" <nosp...@temporary-address.org.uk> wrote in message
news:878uq8r...@temporary-address.org.uk...
pjk
Mike L
May 11, 2014, 5:58:59 PM5/11/14
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teaching EFL and who is fonder of dictionaries than the average bear,
I can assure you that every error Allo makes is entirely rational, and
quite consistent with the learning method I believe he uses. His
questions are perfectly honest, and, as Chuck says, he sticks to the
point and stops at the end of a topic (which is better discipline than
I can boast).
Stick to your binoculars, Allo!
--
Mike.
Peter T. Daniels
May 11, 2014, 11:14:10 PM5/11/14
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On Sunday, May 11, 2014 5:58:59 PM UTC-4, Mike L wrote:
> From the lofty height of one who was formerly in charge of people
> teaching EFL and who is fonder of dictionaries than the average bear,
> I can assure you that every error Allo makes is entirely rational, and
> quite consistent with the learning method I believe he uses. His
> questions are perfectly honest, and, as Chuck says, he sticks to the
> point and stops at the end of a topic (which is better discipline than
> I can boast).
Can you explain the origin of "twicely"? "Twoly" I could understand.
> From the lofty height of one who was formerly in charge of people
> teaching EFL and who is fonder of dictionaries than the average bear,
> I can assure you that every error Allo makes is entirely rational, and
> quite consistent with the learning method I believe he uses. His
> questions are perfectly honest, and, as Chuck says, he sticks to the
> point and stops at the end of a topic (which is better discipline than
> I can boast).
micky
May 12, 2014, 3:31:38 AM5/12/14
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On Sat, 10 May 2014 01:10:35 +0100, Mike L <n...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On Fri, 09 May 2014 15:22:53 -0400, CDB <belle...@gmail.com> wrote:
posts?
--
Please say where you live, or what
area's English you are asking about.
So your question or answer makes sense.
. .
I have lived all my life in the USA,
Western Pa. Indianapolis, Chicago,
Brooklyn, Baltimore.
>On Fri, 09 May 2014 15:22:53 -0400, CDB <belle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 09/05/2014 1:18 PM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>> Allo wrote:
>>
>>>> There are some sentences and I'm not sure are they after all
>>>> correctly written (notice: some typos may appear):
>>
>>> This is a troll, right? Not one of those sentences is grammatical
>>> (perhaps excepting the one about a computer motherboard, since the
>>> abbreviations may stand for things that aren't properly construed),
>>> and there is no way anyone could have legitimately come up with
>>> "twicely." And that that was the first one in the list shows that it
>>> was all a goof.
>>
>>I don't think so. Iso Allo has been posting occasional questions here
>>for years; I do believe his English is slowly improving.
>>
>He seems to be learning it mostly by looking up words in a dictionary
>and making inferences. I'm sure his enquiiries are sincere, but it
>took me a while to get used to them. Better than the woman whose
>"questions" are totally empty, and who won't use a dictionary at all.
She sounds like fun. What's her name, please, so I can try reading her
>>On 09/05/2014 1:18 PM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>> Allo wrote:
>>
>>>> There are some sentences and I'm not sure are they after all
>>>> correctly written (notice: some typos may appear):
>>
>>> This is a troll, right? Not one of those sentences is grammatical
>>> (perhaps excepting the one about a computer motherboard, since the
>>> abbreviations may stand for things that aren't properly construed),
>>> and there is no way anyone could have legitimately come up with
>>> "twicely." And that that was the first one in the list shows that it
>>> was all a goof.
>>
>>I don't think so. Iso Allo has been posting occasional questions here
>>for years; I do believe his English is slowly improving.
>>
>He seems to be learning it mostly by looking up words in a dictionary
>and making inferences. I'm sure his enquiiries are sincere, but it
>took me a while to get used to them. Better than the woman whose
>"questions" are totally empty, and who won't use a dictionary at all.
posts?
--
Please say where you live, or what
area's English you are asking about.
So your question or answer makes sense.
. .
I have lived all my life in the USA,
Western Pa. Indianapolis, Chicago,
Brooklyn, Baltimore.
micky
May 12, 2014, 3:34:07 AM5/12/14
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Guy Barry
May 12, 2014, 3:38:49 AM5/12/14
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"Mike L" wrote in message
news:v4svm99oha5694fsr...@4ax.com...
>From the lofty height of one who was formerly in charge of people
>teaching EFL and who is fonder of dictionaries than the average bear,
>I can assure you that every error Allo makes is entirely rational, and
>quite consistent with the learning method I believe he uses. His
>questions are perfectly honest, and, as Chuck says, he sticks to the
>point and stops at the end of a topic (which is better discipline than
>I can boast).
offence caused.
--
Guy Barry
Mike L
May 12, 2014, 11:07:59 AM5/12/14
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addition of the adverb termination, or some kind of misle from Finnish
("L1 interference").
--
Mike.
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