The theory of Chris Lonsdale: Learn Any Language in 6 Months.

[hongy...@gmail.com]

I noticed the introduction for Christopher John Lonsdale (born 18 November 1958), a New Zealand psychologist, linguist and educator from <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Lonsdale_(entrepreneur)>.

The wikipedia told me that Chris Lonsdale theorized the role of comprehensible input works and physiological training for the acquisition process of any language into the timespan of some months.

And furthermore, I also found the speech titled with "Learn Any Language in 6 Months" presented by Chris Lonsdale on youtube, see <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih3l7l_Mz6Q> for detailed info.

Any hints/experiences/comments about this theory will be highly appreciated.

Regards,
HY

[Oğuz]

On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 6:17:20 PM UTC+3, hongy...@gmail.com wrote:
> I noticed the introduction for Christopher John Lonsdale (born 18 November 1958), a New Zealand psychologist, linguist and educator from <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Lonsdale_(entrepreneur)>.

You noticed what in there? Or, did you notice that there was an introduction? Are you sure you know what "to notice" means?

>
> The wikipedia told me that Chris Lonsdale theorized the role of comprehensible input works and physiological training for the acquisition process of any language into the timespan of some months.
>
> And furthermore, I also found the speech titled with "Learn Any Language in 6 Months" presented by Chris Lonsdale on youtube, see <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih3l7l_Mz6Q> for detailed info.

Sounds like BS.

[David Kleinecke]

I think the Army Language Schools of WWII did something like that
but the learning times were not all 6 months. As I remember 6 months
for Serbo-Croatian but a year for Chinese.

I imagine the schools are still with us but GOK what they do today.

[Tony Cooper]

My high school friend joined the army after graduation in 1956. He
was sent to the Army language school in Monterey, California to learn
Russian. He was there six months, and then spent the remainder of his
two-year obligation in Turkey translating Russian radio broadcasts.
Each transmission was translated by two Russian-speakers and the
transcripts compared by a third person.
--

Tony Cooper Orlando Florida

[hongy...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, May 1, 2021 at 3:51:09 AM UTC+8, oguzism...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 6:17:20 PM UTC+3, hongy...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I noticed the introduction for Christopher John Lonsdale (born 18 November 1958), a New Zealand psychologist, linguist and educator from <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Lonsdale_(entrepreneur)>.
> You noticed what in there? Or, did you notice that there was an introduction? Are you sure you know what "to notice" means?

Do you mean I misused this word here?

> >
> > The wikipedia told me that Chris Lonsdale theorized the role of comprehensible input works and physiological training for the acquisition process of any language into the timespan of some months.
> >
> > And furthermore, I also found the speech titled with "Learn Any Language in 6 Months" presented by Chris Lonsdale on youtube, see <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih3l7l_Mz6Q> for detailed info.
> Sounds like BS.

What does the BS stand for?

[hongy...@gmail.com]

GOK? What's the mean?

[hongy...@gmail.com]

I think the above present participle phrase can be rewording into the following using an adjectival clause:

translating Russian radio broadcasts = which is translating Russian radio broadcasts

In its original form without my rephrasing, it can be regarded as the gerund apposition of *obligation*.

Am I right?

[David Kleinecke]

God only knows.

in more modern English "Only God knows".

[Chrysi Cat]

On 4/30/2021 7:21 PM, hongy...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, May 1, 2021 at 8:57:20 AM UTC+8, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 17:22:50 -0700 (PDT), David Kleinecke
>> <dklei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 12:51:09 PM UTC-7, oguzism...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 6:17:20 PM UTC+3, hongy...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> I noticed the introduction for Christopher John Lonsdale (born 18 November 1958), a New Zealand psychologist, linguist and educator from <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Lonsdale_(entrepreneur)>.
>>>> You noticed what in there? Or, did you notice that there was an introduction? Are you sure you know what "to notice" means?
>>>>>
>>>>> The wikipedia told me that Chris Lonsdale theorized the role of comprehensible input works and physiological training for the acquisition process of any language into the timespan of some months.
>>>>>
>>>>> And furthermore, I also found the speech titled with "Learn Any Language in 6 Months" presented by Chris Lonsdale on youtube, see <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih3l7l_Mz6Q> for detailed info.
>>>> Sounds like BS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any hints/experiences/comments about this theory will be highly appreciated.
>>>
>>> I think the Army Language Schools of WWII did something like that
>>> but the learning times were not all 6 months. As I remember 6 months
>>> for Serbo-Croatian but a year for Chinese.
>>>
>>> I imagine the schools are still with us but GOK what they do today.
>> My high school friend joined the army after graduation in 1956. He
>> was sent to the Army language school in Monterey, California to learn
>> Russian. He was there six months, and then spent the remainder of his
>> two-year obligation in Turkey translating Russian radio broadcasts.
>
> I think the above present participle phrase can be rewording into the following using an adjectival clause:
>
> translating Russian radio broadcasts = which is translating Russian radio broadcasts
>

No. No. Good effing GOD/DESS no, you are not right.

FAR fewer phrases need to begin with a proposition than you believe
require one.

In this case "translating Russian radio broadcasts" is a gerund. It is
the action the friend was primarily involved in for the remaining
eighteen months of his enlistment. It is POSSIBLE that BrE would require
a comma after "in Turkey" (and a corresponding pause if read aloud); AmE
does not.

>
>
> In its original form without my rephrasing, it can be regarded as the gerund apposition of *obligation*.
>
> Am I right?
>
>
>> Each transmission was translated by two Russian-speakers and the
>> transcripts compared by a third person.
>> --
>>
>> Tony Cooper Orlando Florida

--
Chrysi Cat
1/2 anthrocat, nearly 1/2 anthrofox, all magical
Transgoddess, quick to anger. [she/her. Misgender and die].
Call me Chrysi or call me Kat, I'll respond to either!

[Chrysi Cat]

This one actually incensed me so much that I left off a further
clarification. Even if it COULD take a preposition--this is REALLY not a
case of "needing" one, and it's not just unnecessary but actively
wrong--"which IS" is ridiculously bad in this case.

Tense is EVERYTHING in most even semi-standard dialects of English. Even
AAVE and Southern colloquial English have a full past/present
delineation; it's just that different verbs are used.

As far as I know there is not a single dialect of English where a
solitary "is" is EVER the proper conjugation for an event that took
place entirely in the past.

[Chrysi Cat]

Literally? "Bullshit". That is to say, the excrement of a bovine.

It's been a vulgar way to say "nonsense and lies" for unknown decades or
even centuries. I'm not a linguist and I don't know how angry I'll get
if I speculate about relations between literal bullshit and a figurative
pile of fertiliser, or which direction that any analogies in that vein
might have originally run, but I will admit I have suspicions as to why
that's true.

>
>
>>>
>>> Any hints/experiences/comments about this theory will be highly appreciated.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> HY

[charles]

In article <ky8jI.52697$1%.21272@fx37.iad>,

Chrysi Cat <chry...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4/30/2021 7:06 PM, hongy...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, May 1, 2021 at 3:51:09 AM UTC+8, oguzism...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 6:17:20 PM UTC+3, hongy...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> I noticed the introduction for Christopher John Lonsdale (born 18 November 1958), a New Zealand psychologist, linguist and educator from <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Lonsdale_(entrepreneur)>.
> >> You noticed what in there? Or, did you notice that there was an introduction? Are you sure you know what "to notice" means?
> >
> > Do you mean I misused this word here?
> >
> >>>
> >>> The wikipedia told me that Chris Lonsdale theorized the role of comprehensible input works and physiological training for the acquisition process of any language into the timespan of some months.
> >>>
> >>> And furthermore, I also found the speech titled with "Learn Any Language in 6 Months" presented by Chris Lonsdale on youtube, see <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih3l7l_Mz6Q> for detailed info.
> >> Sounds like BS.
> >
> > What does the BS stand for?
> >

> Literally? "Bullshit". That is to say, the excrement of a bovine.

> It's been a vulgar way to say "nonsense and lies" for unknown decades or
> even centuries. I'm not a linguist and I don't know how angry I'll get
> if I speculate about relations between literal bullshit and a figurative
> pile of fertiliser, or which direction that any analogies in that vein
> might have originally run, but I will admit I have suspicions as to why
> that's true.

I had a rubber stamp saying that which could be applied to various
documents "on circulation".

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

[Chrysi Cat]

On 5/1/2021 2:45 AM, Chrysi Cat wrote:
> On 4/30/2021 7:06 PM, hongy...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Saturday, May 1, 2021 at 3:51:09 AM UTC+8, oguzism...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 6:17:20 PM UTC+3, hongy...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> I noticed the introduction for Christopher John Lonsdale (born 18
>>>> November 1958), a New Zealand psychologist, linguist and educator
>>>> from <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Lonsdale_(entrepreneur)>.
>>> You noticed what in there? Or, did you notice that there was an
>>> introduction? Are you sure you know what "to notice" means?
>>
>> Do you mean I misused this word here?
>>
>>>>
>>>> The wikipedia told me that Chris Lonsdale theorized the role of
>>>> comprehensible input works and physiological training for the
>>>> acquisition process of any language into the timespan of some months.
>>>>
>>>> And furthermore, I also found the speech titled with "Learn Any
>>>> Language in 6 Months" presented by Chris Lonsdale on youtube, see
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih3l7l_Mz6Q> for detailed info.
>>> Sounds like BS.
>>
>> What does the BS stand for?
>>
>
> Literally? "Bullshit". That is to say, the excrement of a bovine.
>
> It's been a vulgar way to say "nonsense and lies" for unknown decades or
> even centuries. I'm not a linguist and I don't know how angry I'll get

--Woopsie. That's not supposed to mean "make myself angry" this time; I
went in and edited the sentence as it was originally written and removed
a "PTD" from it. As in "I'm not sure how much my speculating would irk
the linguist".

[Lewis]

In message <acaa6f10-8c13-4e72...@googlegroups.com> hongy...@gmail.com <hongy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, May 1, 2021 at 3:51:09 AM UTC+8, oguzism...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 6:17:20 PM UTC+3, hongy...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > I noticed the introduction for Christopher John Lonsdale (born 18
>> > November 1958), a New Zealand psychologist, linguist and educator
>> > from <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Lonsdale_(entrepreneur)>.

>> You noticed what in there? Or, did you notice that there was an
>> introduction? Are you sure you know what "to notice" means?

> Do you mean I misused this word here?

He is saying your statement as it stands makes no sense. You may have
noticed, but you have to notice SOMETHING.

>> > The wikipedia told me that Chris Lonsdale theorized the role of
>> > comprehensible input works and physiological training for the
>> > acquisition process of any language into the timespan of some
>> > months.

>> > And furthermore, I also found the speech titled with "Learn Any
>> > Language in 6 Months" presented by Chris Lonsdale on youtube, see
>> > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih3l7l_Mz6Q> for detailed info.

>> Sounds like BS.

> What does the BS stand for?

BS | ˌbiˈɛs |
abbreviation
1 US Bachelor of Science: she received her BS in biology from Aquinas College.
2 Blessed Sacrament.
3 North American vulgar slang used as a euphemism for “bullshit.”.
4 balance sheet.

I will leave it to you to figure out which one is intended.

--
'I like the sound of that,' said Mrs Palm. 'I like the echoes,' said
Dr Downey.

[semir...@my-deja.com]

Chrysi Cat wrote:

>Tense is EVERYTHING in most even semi-standard dialects of English. Even
>AAVE and Southern colloquial English have a full past/present
>delineation; it's just that different verbs are used.
>As far as I know there is not a single dialect of English where a
>solitary "is" is EVER the proper conjugation for an event that took
>place entirely in the past.

Think L1 interference.
Tense does not exist in some languages - Chinese and Indonesian for example.
The past is covered by a time word.
Handling English tenses is not easy if your own language does not have any tenses.

[CDB]

On 5/1/2021 4:34 AM, Chrysi Cat wrote:
> hongy...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Tony Cooper wrote:
>>> David Kleinecke <dklei...@gmail.com> wrote:

[languages made easy]

>>>> I imagine the schools are still with us but GOK what they do
>>>> today.
>>> My high school friend joined the army after graduation in 1956.
>>> He was sent to the Army language school in Monterey, California
>>> to learn Russian. He was there six months, and then spent the
>>> remainder of his two-year obligation in Turkey translating
>>> Russian radio broadcasts.

>> I think the above present participle phrase can be rewording into
>> the following using an adjectival clause:

>> translating Russian radio broadcasts = which is translating Russian
>> radio broadcasts

> No. No. Good effing GOD/DESS no, you are not right.

> FAR fewer phrases need to begin with a proposition than you believe
> require one.

> In this case "translating Russian radio broadcasts" is a gerund. It
> is the action the friend was primarily involved in for the remaining
> eighteen months of his enlistment. It is POSSIBLE that BrE would
> require a comma after "in Turkey" (and a corresponding pause if read
> aloud); AmE does not.

>> In its original form without my rephrasing, it can be regarded as
>> the gerund apposition of *obligation*.

>> Am I right?

>>> Each transmission was translated by two Russian-speakers and the
>>> transcripts compared by a third person.

I would call it a present participle modifying "he" in "[he] spent" (or
possibly the object of an omitted preposition "in", in an adverbial
phrase modifying "spent".

His "obligation" was his required military service.

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 8:22:52 PM UTC-4, dklei...@gmail.com wrote:

> I think the Army Language Schools of WWII did something like that
> but the learning times were not all 6 months. As I remember 6 months
> for Serbo-Croatian but a year for Chinese.

Hmm, Carleton Hodge and Chas Hockett respectively.

Carleton also did Hausa in that context.

[Peter T. Daniels]

? GOK is one of Brian Wilson's best songs (and it was unheard of to
invoke God in a pop song in those days.) I haven't heard OGK. Seems
like that would be used for a literal statement (in theology?).

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Saturday, May 1, 2021 at 5:55:34 AM UTC-4, Chrysi Cat wrote:
> On 5/1/2021 2:45 AM, Chrysi Cat wrote:
> > On 4/30/2021 7:06 PM, hongy...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Saturday, May 1, 2021 at 3:51:09 AM UTC+8, oguzism...@gmail.com wrote:

> >>> Sounds like BS.
> >> What does the BS stand for?
> > Literally? "Bullshit". That is to say, the excrement of a bovine.
> > It's been a vulgar way to say "nonsense and lies" for unknown decades or
> > even centuries. I'm not a linguist and I don't know how angry I'll get
>
> --Woopsie. That's not supposed to mean "make myself angry" this time; I
> went in and edited the sentence as it was originally written and removed
> a "PTD" from it. As in "I'm not sure how much my speculating would irk
> the linguist".

Linguists aren't lexicographers. We don't pay attention to fancied
word histories.

[Mack A. Damia]

On Sat, 1 May 2021 02:45:03 -0600, Chrysi Cat <chry...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On 4/30/2021 7:06 PM, hongy...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Saturday, May 1, 2021 at 3:51:09 AM UTC+8, oguzism...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 6:17:20 PM UTC+3, hongy...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> I noticed the introduction for Christopher John Lonsdale (born 18 November 1958), a New Zealand psychologist, linguist and educator from <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Lonsdale_(entrepreneur)>.
>>> You noticed what in there? Or, did you notice that there was an introduction? Are you sure you know what "to notice" means?
>>
>> Do you mean I misused this word here?
>>
>>>>
>>>> The wikipedia told me that Chris Lonsdale theorized the role of comprehensible input works and physiological training for the acquisition process of any language into the timespan of some months.
>>>>
>>>> And furthermore, I also found the speech titled with "Learn Any Language in 6 Months" presented by Chris Lonsdale on youtube, see <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih3l7l_Mz6Q> for detailed info.
>>> Sounds like BS.
>>
>> What does the BS stand for?
>>
>
>Literally? "Bullshit". That is to say, the excrement of a bovine.
>
>It's been a vulgar way to say "nonsense and lies" for unknown decades or
>even centuries. I'm not a linguist and I don't know how angry I'll get
>if I speculate about relations between literal bullshit and a figurative
>pile of fertiliser, or which direction that any analogies in that vein
>might have originally run, but I will admit I have suspicions as to why
>that's true.

Yet bull shit is an excellent fertilizer as it doesn't contain weed
seed due to a complex four-compartment stomach. Not true with horse
dung.

[Ken Blake]

...and in supermarkets, at least around here, when referring to chicken
breasts, "boneless, skinless."

I still remember how startled I was the first time I saw an ad for
bullshit chicken breasts.

> I will leave it to you to figure out which one is intended.
>


--

Ken

[Lewis]

New one on me, but BS chicken breasts sounds about right for something
were the major sources of flavor have been removed.

--
"Are you pondering what I'm pondering?"
"I think so, Brain, but can you use the word 'asphalt' in polite
society?"

[Peter Moylan]

On 01/05/21 21:18, Lewis wrote:

>> What does the BS stand for?
> BS | ˌbiˈɛs |
> abbreviation
> 1 US Bachelor of Science: she received her BS in biology from Aquinas College.
> 2 Blessed Sacrament.
> 3 North American vulgar slang used as a euphemism for “bullshit.”.
> 4 balance sheet.
>
> I will leave it to you to figure out which one is intended.

Sometimes found in the triplet
BS bullshit
MS more shit
PhD piled higher and deeper

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

[hongy...@gmail.com]

Thank you for your notes. It should be 3 in this specific context.

HY

[CDB]

On 5/1/2021 10:43 AM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> dklei...@gmail.com wrote:

>> hongy...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> dklei...@gmail.com wrote:

>>>> I imagine the schools are still with us but GOK what they do
>>>> today.
>>> GOK? What's the mean?

>> God only knows.

>> in more modern English "Only God knows".

> ? GOK is one of Brian Wilson's best songs (and it was unheard of to
> invoke God in a pop song in those days.) I haven't heard OGK. Seems
> like that would be used for a literal statement (in theology?).

It may have been more common in the olden days: "Cupid only throws the
dart/ That's dreadful to the warrior's heart".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCviE8bEWZw

[Peter T. Daniels]

Don't cite poetry when investigating Standard English.

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCviE8bEWZw

And I certainly won't look at a video to try to guess what example of
"Only God knows" you're pointing me to.

[CDB]

On 5/2/2021 12:59 PM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> CDB wrote:
>> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>> dklei...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> hongy...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> dklei...@gmail.com wrote:

>>>>>> I imagine the schools are still with us but GOK what they
>>>>>> do today.
>>>>> GOK? What's the mean?
>>>> God only knows. in more modern English "Only God knows".
>>> ? GOK is one of Brian Wilson's best songs (and it was unheard of
>>> to invoke God in a pop song in those days.) I haven't heard OGK.
>>> Seems like that would be used for a literal statement (in
>>> theology?).

>> It may have been more common in the olden days: "Cupid only throws
>> the dart/ That's dreadful to the warrior's heart".

> Don't cite poetry when investigating Standard English.

In this case, "only Cupid" would have scanned just as well.

>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCviE8bEWZw

> And I certainly won't look at a video to try to guess what example
> of "Only God knows" you're pointing me to.

It's a rather good performance of the chorus from _Dido and Aeneas_.

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 9:14:29 AM UTC-4, CDB wrote:
> On 5/2/2021 12:59 PM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > CDB wrote:
> >> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >>> dklei...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> hongy...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> dklei...@gmail.com wrote:

> >>>>>> I imagine the schools are still with us but GOK what they
> >>>>>> do today.
> >>>>> GOK? What's the mean?
> >>>> God only knows. in more modern English "Only God knows".
> >>> ? GOK is one of Brian Wilson's best songs (and it was unheard of
> >>> to invoke God in a pop song in those days.) I haven't heard OGK.
> >>> Seems like that would be used for a literal statement (in
> >>> theology?).
> >> It may have been more common in the olden days: "Cupid only throws
> >> the dart/ That's dreadful to the warrior's heart".
> > Don't cite poetry when investigating Standard English.
>
> In this case, "only Cupid" would have scanned just as well.

Different meanings in ModE prose: Cupid only throws -- he doesn't
use his bow (or attack with lethal means). Only Cupid throws -- no
one else does.

> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCviE8bEWZw
> > And I certainly won't look at a video to try to guess what example
> > of "Only God knows" you're pointing me to.
>
> It's a rather good performance of the chorus from _Dido and Aeneas_.

Ah. I have some good recordings. Knowing what it is, I went there --
I'm pretty sure I have that one.