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Bob G
Feb 3, 2012, 1:09:09 PM2/3/12
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I've seen size 1000, size 40, size 50, even size 30, although I don't
know why it's written XXL instead of XXX.
And they don't seem to follow any logic. Size 1000, for instance, is
smaller than size 40.
And what the devil do 2XL and S mean?
know why it's written XXL instead of XXX.
And they don't seem to follow any logic. Size 1000, for instance, is
smaller than size 40.
And what the devil do 2XL and S mean?
Harrison Hill
Feb 4, 2012, 5:08:13 AM2/4/12
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Xtra Large", and 2XL and S you can probably work out yourself. It
isn't uncommon for numbers to recalibrate - an Audi 4 you would expect
to have a larger engine than an Audi 3000.
tony cooper
Feb 7, 2012, 12:18:00 AM2/7/12
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On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 10:09:09 -0800 (PST), Bob G <mrbob...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Shirt sizes, in the US, are not in Roman numerals. Casual shirts come
in S (Small), M (Medium), L (Large) and XL (Extra Large) and
additional Xs (XXL, XXXL, etc) for very large shirts. Some makers
use 2XL instead of XXL or 3XL instead of XXXL.
Dress shirts are usually by collar size and sleeve length: 15/32
would be a 15" neck and a 32" sleeve length. Short-sleeve shirts have
just the collar size.
I have never seen numbers like 1000 or 40 used to indicate a shirt
size. Not in the US.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
wrote:
in S (Small), M (Medium), L (Large) and XL (Extra Large) and
additional Xs (XXL, XXXL, etc) for very large shirts. Some makers
use 2XL instead of XXL or 3XL instead of XXXL.
Dress shirts are usually by collar size and sleeve length: 15/32
would be a 15" neck and a 32" sleeve length. Short-sleeve shirts have
just the collar size.
I have never seen numbers like 1000 or 40 used to indicate a shirt
size. Not in the US.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Duggy
Feb 7, 2012, 1:04:46 AM2/7/12
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On Feb 7, 3:18 pm, tony cooper <tony.cooper...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 10:09:09 -0800 (PST), Bob G <mrbobja...@yahoo.com>
M=1000
XL=40.
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= DUG.
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> On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 10:09:09 -0800 (PST), Bob G <mrbobja...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I've seen size 1000, size 40, size 50, even size 30, although I don't
> >know why it's written XXL instead of XXX.
> >And they don't seem to follow any logic. Size 1000, for instance, is
> >smaller than size 40.
> >And what the devil do 2XL and S mean?
>
> Shirt sizes, in the US, are not in Roman numerals. Casual shirts come
> in S (Small), M (Medium), L (Large) and XL (Extra Large) and
> additional Xs (XXL, XXXL, etc) for very large shirts. Some makers
> use 2XL instead of XXL or 3XL instead of XXXL.
>
> Dress shirts are usually by collar size and sleeve length: 15/32
> would be a 15" neck and a 32" sleeve length. Short-sleeve shirts have
> just the collar size.
>
> I have never seen numbers like 1000 or 40 used to indicate a shirt
> size. Not in the US.
It's a troll.
>
> >I've seen size 1000, size 40, size 50, even size 30, although I don't
> >know why it's written XXL instead of XXX.
> >And they don't seem to follow any logic. Size 1000, for instance, is
> >smaller than size 40.
> >And what the devil do 2XL and S mean?
>
> Shirt sizes, in the US, are not in Roman numerals. Casual shirts come
> in S (Small), M (Medium), L (Large) and XL (Extra Large) and
> additional Xs (XXL, XXXL, etc) for very large shirts. Some makers
> use 2XL instead of XXL or 3XL instead of XXXL.
>
> Dress shirts are usually by collar size and sleeve length: 15/32
> would be a 15" neck and a 32" sleeve length. Short-sleeve shirts have
> just the collar size.
>
> I have never seen numbers like 1000 or 40 used to indicate a shirt
> size. Not in the US.
M=1000
XL=40.
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= DUG.
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James Hogg
Feb 7, 2012, 1:21:47 AM2/7/12
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James
Athel Cornish-Bowden
Feb 7, 2012, 2:52:46 AM2/7/12
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R H Draney
Feb 7, 2012, 3:08:15 AM2/7/12
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Athel Cornish-Bowden filted:
It was once a joke answer on "Hollywood Squares":
Q: "You meet an ancient Roman woman, and she tells your she's 'XL'. How old is
she?"
Paul Lynde: "Who cares? She's extra large!"
(It's as old as that Roman cowboy actor, Tom 1009)....r
--
Me? Sarcastic?
Yeah, right.
Q: "You meet an ancient Roman woman, and she tells your she's 'XL'. How old is
she?"
Paul Lynde: "Who cares? She's extra large!"
(It's as old as that Roman cowboy actor, Tom 1009)....r
--
Me? Sarcastic?
Yeah, right.
Adam Funk
Feb 7, 2012, 9:32:17 AM2/7/12
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--
...the reason why so many professional artists drink a lot is not
necessarily very much to do with the artistic temperament, etc. It is
simply that they can afford to, because they can normally take a large
part of a day off to deal with the ravages. [Amis _On Drink_]
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
Feb 7, 2012, 10:45:20 AM2/7/12
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On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 00:18:00 -0500, tony cooper
<tony.co...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 10:09:09 -0800 (PST), Bob G <mrbob...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I've seen size 1000, size 40, size 50, even size 30, although I don't
>>know why it's written XXL instead of XXX.
>>And they don't seem to follow any logic. Size 1000, for instance, is
>>smaller than size 40.
>>And what the devil do 2XL and S mean?
>
>Shirt sizes, in the US, are not in Roman numerals. Casual shirts come
>in S (Small), M (Medium), L (Large) and XL (Extra Large) and
>additional Xs (XXL, XXXL, etc) for very large shirts. Some makers
>use 2XL instead of XXL or 3XL instead of XXXL.
Ditto in the UK. There is also XS (Extra Small).
<tony.co...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 10:09:09 -0800 (PST), Bob G <mrbob...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I've seen size 1000, size 40, size 50, even size 30, although I don't
>>know why it's written XXL instead of XXX.
>>And they don't seem to follow any logic. Size 1000, for instance, is
>>smaller than size 40.
>>And what the devil do 2XL and S mean?
>
>Shirt sizes, in the US, are not in Roman numerals. Casual shirts come
>in S (Small), M (Medium), L (Large) and XL (Extra Large) and
>additional Xs (XXL, XXXL, etc) for very large shirts. Some makers
>use 2XL instead of XXL or 3XL instead of XXXL.
This is the size guide from a major retailer in the UK. It does not
mention XS and XXXL but they do sell casual shirts, etc in those sizes.
http://tinyurl.com/6w86ks8
The site is:
http://www.marksandspencer.com/
>
>Dress shirts are usually by collar size and sleeve length: 15/32
>would be a 15" neck and a 32" sleeve length. Short-sleeve shirts have
>just the collar size.
>
>I have never seen numbers like 1000 or 40 used to indicate a shirt
>size. Not in the US.
>
>
--
(in alt.usage.english)
Irwell
Feb 7, 2012, 11:39:04 AM2/7/12
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Robin Bignall
Feb 7, 2012, 3:44:39 PM2/7/12
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(BrE)
Herts, England
John Varela
Feb 7, 2012, 3:55:34 PM2/7/12
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On Tue, 7 Feb 2012 06:21:47 UTC, James Hogg <Jas....@gOUTmail.com>
wrote:
Back in the day, when the troll was practiced on afu by people like
Snopes and Ted Frank, a good troll was humorous.
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wrote:
Snopes and Ted Frank, a good troll was humorous.
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John Varela
John Varela
Feb 7, 2012, 3:56:59 PM2/7/12
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Irwell
Feb 7, 2012, 7:44:44 PM2/7/12
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the local Veterans Hall was displaying a temperature
of 3340 F this morning.
franzi
Feb 7, 2012, 7:53:38 PM2/7/12
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Irwell <ho...@yahoo.com> wrote
That would be Medium-Medium-Medium-Xtra-Large Fortissimo, I suppose. The
shirt that fits the clairvoyant lady who ends the opera.
--
franzi (Tosca, schmoska)
shirt that fits the clairvoyant lady who ends the opera.
--
franzi (Tosca, schmoska)
jgharston
Feb 7, 2012, 8:54:11 PM2/7/12
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tony cooper wrote:
> Shirt sizes, in the US, are not in Roman numerals. Casual shirts come
> in S (Small), M (Medium), L (Large) and XL (Extra Large) and
> additional Xs (XXL, XXXL, etc) for very large shirts. Some makers
> use 2XL instead of XXL or 3XL instead of XXXL.
Surely if sizes are S M L XL XXL then it should be XS S M L XL.
> Shirt sizes, in the US, are not in Roman numerals. Casual shirts come
> in S (Small), M (Medium), L (Large) and XL (Extra Large) and
> additional Xs (XXL, XXXL, etc) for very large shirts. Some makers
> use 2XL instead of XXL or 3XL instead of XXXL.
After all, the definition of middle/median/medium is that
half of everything is less that it and half of everything is
more than it.
JGH
Garrett Wollman
Feb 7, 2012, 10:32:33 PM2/7/12
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In article <d3360a11-6dee-47e8...@do4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
set of sizes is a far cry from the median size of the set of all adult
male humans.
-GAWollman
--
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wol...@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program
Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption
my employers. | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993
jgharston <j...@arcade.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Surely if sizes are S M L XL XXL then it should be XS S M L XL.
>After all, the definition of middle/median/medium is that
>half of everything is less that it and half of everything is
>more than it.
"Medium" is not the same as "median" -- and indeed, the median of the
>Surely if sizes are S M L XL XXL then it should be XS S M L XL.
>After all, the definition of middle/median/medium is that
>half of everything is less that it and half of everything is
>more than it.
set of sizes is a far cry from the median size of the set of all adult
male humans.
-GAWollman
--
Garrett A. Wollman | What intellectual phenomenon can be older, or more oft
wol...@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program
Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption
my employers. | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993
Duggy
Feb 7, 2012, 10:44:40 PM2/7/12
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must be the same thing.
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= DUG.
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Robert Bannister
Feb 7, 2012, 11:14:32 PM2/7/12
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tony cooper
Feb 7, 2012, 11:30:34 PM2/7/12
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Small) man's shirt. I would expect the buyer for that size shirt two
be shopping in the Boy's Department. On the other hand, the "Big and
Tall" departments seem not to run out of Xs.
R H Draney
Feb 8, 2012, 1:11:12 AM2/8/12
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jgharston filted:
the smallest size of anything, if they even have *that*....r
>
>Surely if sizes are S M L XL XXL then it should be XS S M L XL.
>After all, the definition of middle/median/medium is that
>half of everything is less that it and half of everything is
>more than it.
I take it you haven't bought anything at a movie concession lately..."medium" is
>Surely if sizes are S M L XL XXL then it should be XS S M L XL.
>After all, the definition of middle/median/medium is that
>half of everything is less that it and half of everything is
>more than it.
the smallest size of anything, if they even have *that*....r
Dr Nick
Feb 8, 2012, 2:41:03 AM2/8/12
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describe how attractive you were. It started with "very" and went all
the way down to "average".
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Peter Moylan
Feb 8, 2012, 5:46:44 AM2/8/12
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rather than the fancy fonts. It takes forever in the latest XL to find
the basic functions.
--
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For an e-mail address, see my web page.
James Silverton
Feb 8, 2012, 8:29:43 AM2/8/12
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On 2/7/2012 10:32 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote:
> In article<d3360a11-6dee-47e8...@do4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
> jgharston<j...@arcade.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Surely if sizes are S M L XL XXL then it should be XS S M L XL.
>> After all, the definition of middle/median/medium is that
>> half of everything is less that it and half of everything is
>> more than it.
>
> "Medium" is not the same as "median" -- and indeed, the median of the
> set of sizes is a far cry from the median size of the set of all adult
> male humans.
>
> -GAWollman
>
Arguments about symmetrical sets of sizes presume a normal distribution
> In article<d3360a11-6dee-47e8...@do4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
> jgharston<j...@arcade.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Surely if sizes are S M L XL XXL then it should be XS S M L XL.
>> After all, the definition of middle/median/medium is that
>> half of everything is less that it and half of everything is
>> more than it.
>
> "Medium" is not the same as "median" -- and indeed, the median of the
> set of sizes is a far cry from the median size of the set of all adult
> male humans.
>
> -GAWollman
>
of people. Are you sure that real sizes are not skewed and the makers
are just responding to demand?
--
Jim Silverton
Extraneous "not" in Reply To.
jgharston
Feb 8, 2012, 12:00:22 PM2/8/12
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James Silverton wrote:
> Arguments about symmetrical sets of sizes presume a normal distribution
> of people. Are you sure that real sizes are not skewed and the makers
> are just responding to demand?
I'm 5'10", half the UK population are taller and heavier than me,
> Arguments about symmetrical sets of sizes presume a normal distribution
> of people. Are you sure that real sizes are not skewed and the makers
> are just responding to demand?
half the UK population is shorter and lighter than me. Therefore,
I am in the middle, by definition I am a "medium". However, all
my clothes are labelled XL.
JGH
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
Feb 8, 2012, 12:11:06 PM2/8/12
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This system of size letters has been around for a few decades. The
population "medium" may have changed. It would not be practical to
change the definitions of S, M, L, etc. to match.
Jerry Friedman
Feb 8, 2012, 12:41:12 PM2/8/12
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On Feb 8, 10:00 am, jgharston <j...@arcade.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> James Silverton wrote:
> > Arguments about symmetrical sets of sizes presume a normal distribution
> > of people. Are you sure that real sizes are not skewed and the makers
> > are just responding to demand?
>
> I'm 5'10", half the UK population are taller and heavier than me,
> half the UK population is shorter and lighter than me.
"Half the population is" for me, but I guess in Britain you get your
> James Silverton wrote:
> > Arguments about symmetrical sets of sizes presume a normal distribution
> > of people. Are you sure that real sizes are not skewed and the makers
> > are just responding to demand?
>
> I'm 5'10", half the UK population are taller and heavier than me,
> half the UK population is shorter and lighter than me.
choice.
> Therefore,
> I am in the middle, by definition I am a "medium". However, all
> my clothes are labelled XL.
shirts are labeled L (or LT, which following Adam's suggestion might
be 50.33...).
--
Jerry Friedman
rwalker
Feb 8, 2012, 2:16:02 PM2/8/12
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who bought out Lotus. It's up to at least release 9 now. If i have
to share, I save it as an XL file.
Robin Bignall
Feb 8, 2012, 3:23:33 PM2/8/12
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in medium M coats, I've found, until I bought a supposed upmarket one in
a sale and found I could only just get the L on.
Adam Funk
Feb 8, 2012, 3:55:17 PM2/8/12
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On 2012-02-08, Duggy wrote:
> Whenever I use humour I'm told I'm trolling, so I figured that they
> must be the same thing.
Close enough for rock-&-roll.
> Whenever I use humour I'm told I'm trolling, so I figured that they
> must be the same thing.
--
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Frank S
Feb 8, 2012, 4:53:21 PM2/8/12
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"James Silverton" <jim.si...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:jgttbu$7v4$2...@dont-email.me...
receive have shown a pattern of sizing related to target market: six or
seven Christmases ago my family gave me ordinary "fleece" in size XL, and it
fit just right. Couple years later, more fleece, this time some contemporary
and gangster-style "hoodie" stuff, also XL; on the same frame it was really,
really big. This past year the fashionable, microfiber duds were again XL
and fit like the ordinary things from back when maybe a tiny bit tighter.
Where I live, that kind of clothing doesn't get much use outside the winter
season. I have several pairs of hiking shorts and quite a few t-shirts and
polos that get daily use, as well as a selection of flip-flops. I enjoy not
having clothing preoccupations, although I do remember appreciating and
feeling satisfaction with successful needs-meeting.
Frank Sheffield
San Diego CA
USA
Mike Lyle
Feb 8, 2012, 6:21:51 PM2/8/12
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On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:16:02 -0500, rwalker <rwa...@despammed.com>
wrote:
I even remember having As-Easy-As.
--
Mike.
wrote:
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Robert Bannister
Feb 8, 2012, 6:25:24 PM2/8/12
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tony cooper
Feb 8, 2012, 7:40:56 PM2/8/12
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a CP/M machine made by Archives.
tony cooper
Feb 8, 2012, 7:46:21 PM2/8/12
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mail order. Certain sizes fit me, and the sizes for clothing and
shoes were standardized.
No longer. A pair of 10 1/2 tennis shoes (trainers) might fit, but I
might have to buy 11s or 11 1/2s. A 15/32 shirt might be too tight in
the collar and the sleeves might be far too short. Even by brand, the
sizes are not consistent.
I blame in the source country where the item is made. The people are
smaller and they scale down the sizes.
Nick Spalding
Feb 9, 2012, 5:50:57 AM2/9/12
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Robert Bannister wrote, in
<EvDYq.2950$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
on Thu, 09 Feb 2012 07:25:24 +0800:
Apple and VisiCalc "made" each other.
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BrE/IrE
<EvDYq.2950$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
on Thu, 09 Feb 2012 07:25:24 +0800:
--
Nick Spalding
BrE/IrE
R H Draney
Feb 9, 2012, 1:59:23 PM2/9/12
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Nick Spalding filted:
We *did* send Lotus 1-2-3 to rescue you....r
John Varela
Feb 9, 2012, 5:12:58 PM2/9/12
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John Varela
Feb 9, 2012, 5:15:35 PM2/9/12
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dresses, such that a woman who at one time would have worn a 10 now
wears an 8.
--
John Varela
R H Draney
Feb 9, 2012, 10:26:08 PM2/9/12
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John Varela filted:
This is possible in women's dresses precisely because the sizes form, at best,
an ordinal scale...all other apparel sizes are interval scales at least, and
most are ratio scales....r
an ordinal scale...all other apparel sizes are interval scales at least, and
most are ratio scales....r
tony cooper
Feb 9, 2012, 11:45:39 PM2/9/12
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you go and mention "scale". You're just looking for trouble.
Duggy
Feb 9, 2012, 11:46:05 PM2/9/12
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On Feb 10, 8:15 am, "John Varela" <newla...@verizon.net> wrote:
> I understand that as the population has grown, so have women's
> dresses, such that a woman who at one time would have worn a 10 now
> wears an 8.
I'm not so sure that it's "as the population has grown" but rather
> I understand that as the population has grown, so have women's
> dresses, such that a woman who at one time would have worn a 10 now
> wears an 8.
they change the size to encourage people to buy. "I can fit into a
size 8? I must have this one."
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R H Draney
Feb 10, 2012, 1:23:49 AM2/10/12
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tony cooper filted:
Term of art; I've got no other word for it in this context:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_measurement
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_measurement
J. J. Lodder
Feb 10, 2012, 4:45:02 AM2/10/12
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tony cooper <tony.co...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 10:09:09 -0800 (PST), Bob G <mrbob...@yahoo.com>
Jan
> On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 10:09:09 -0800 (PST), Bob G <mrbob...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I've seen size 1000, size 40, size 50, even size 30, although I don't
> >know why it's written XXL instead of XXX.
> >And they don't seem to follow any logic. Size 1000, for instance, is
> >smaller than size 40.
> >And what the devil do 2XL and S mean?
>
> Shirt sizes, in the US, are not in Roman numerals. Casual shirts come
> in S (Small), M (Medium), L (Large) and XL (Extra Large) and
> additional Xs (XXL, XXXL, etc) for very large shirts. Some makers
> use 2XL instead of XXL or 3XL instead of XXXL.
>
> Dress shirts are usually by collar size and sleeve length: 15/32
> would be a 15" neck and a 32" sleeve length. Short-sleeve shirts have
> just the collar size.
>
> I have never seen numbers like 1000 or 40 used to indicate a shirt
> size. Not in the US.
Why do battery sizes come with a lot of AAA-s?
>
> >I've seen size 1000, size 40, size 50, even size 30, although I don't
> >know why it's written XXL instead of XXX.
> >And they don't seem to follow any logic. Size 1000, for instance, is
> >smaller than size 40.
> >And what the devil do 2XL and S mean?
>
> Shirt sizes, in the US, are not in Roman numerals. Casual shirts come
> in S (Small), M (Medium), L (Large) and XL (Extra Large) and
> additional Xs (XXL, XXXL, etc) for very large shirts. Some makers
> use 2XL instead of XXL or 3XL instead of XXXL.
>
> Dress shirts are usually by collar size and sleeve length: 15/32
> would be a 15" neck and a 32" sleeve length. Short-sleeve shirts have
> just the collar size.
>
> I have never seen numbers like 1000 or 40 used to indicate a shirt
> size. Not in the US.
Jan
John Holmes
Feb 10, 2012, 5:39:39 AM2/10/12
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J. J. Lodder wrote:
>
> Why do battery sizes come with a lot of AAA-s?
Because if they had XXXXs, they'd be beer batteries.
>
> Why do battery sizes come with a lot of AAA-s?
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Peter Moylan
Feb 10, 2012, 6:23:09 AM2/10/12
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John Holmes wrote:
> J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>
>> Why do battery sizes come with a lot of AAA-s?
>
> Because if they had XXXXs, they'd be beer batteries.
>
<applause>
> J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>
>> Why do battery sizes come with a lot of AAA-s?
>
> Because if they had XXXXs, they'd be beer batteries.
>
Adam Funk
Feb 10, 2012, 7:06:49 AM2/10/12
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On 2012-02-10, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> tony cooper <tony.co...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I have never seen numbers like 1000 or 40 used to indicate a shirt
>> size. Not in the US.
>
> Why do battery sizes come with a lot of AAA-s?
I've got AAA, AA, C, D, and 9 V batteries in the house, but I've
never seen A or B.
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/866/how-come-you-never-see-any-b-batteries
Apparently the ANSI standard includes them, but no-one uses them any
more.
(Note for pedants: yes, I know we're really talking about "cells"
rather than "batteries".)
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> tony cooper <tony.co...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I have never seen numbers like 1000 or 40 used to indicate a shirt
>> size. Not in the US.
>
> Why do battery sizes come with a lot of AAA-s?
never seen A or B.
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/866/how-come-you-never-see-any-b-batteries
Apparently the ANSI standard includes them, but no-one uses them any
more.
(Note for pedants: yes, I know we're really talking about "cells"
rather than "batteries".)
--
I worry that 10 or 15 years from now, [my daughter] will come to me
and say 'Daddy, where were you when they took freedom of the press
away from the Internet?' [Mike Godwin]
http://www.eff.org/
Adam Funk
Feb 10, 2012, 7:06:16 AM2/10/12
to
correlation coefficient, for example) as a permissible statistic for
ordinal scales?
(I'm prepared to be slapped by people who know more about statistics
than I do. My practical experience doesn't generally go beyond
correlation coefficients and confidence intervals.)
James Silverton
Feb 10, 2012, 8:13:28 AM2/10/12
to
On 2/10/2012 7:06 AM, Adam Funk wrote:
> On 2012-02-10, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>
>> tony cooper<tony.co...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> I have never seen numbers like 1000 or 40 used to indicate a shirt
>>> size. Not in the US.
>>
>> Why do battery sizes come with a lot of AAA-s?
>
> I've got AAA, AA, C, D, and 9 V batteries in the house, but I've
> never seen A or B.
>
> http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/866/how-come-you-never-see-any-b-batteries
>
> Apparently the ANSI standard includes them, but no-one uses them any
> more.
>
>
> (Note for pedants: yes, I know we're really talking about "cells"
> rather than "batteries".)
>
>
In some cases "cells" might be correct; in fact where the battery
> On 2012-02-10, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>
>> tony cooper<tony.co...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> I have never seen numbers like 1000 or 40 used to indicate a shirt
>>> size. Not in the US.
>>
>> Why do battery sizes come with a lot of AAA-s?
>
> I've got AAA, AA, C, D, and 9 V batteries in the house, but I've
> never seen A or B.
>
> http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/866/how-come-you-never-see-any-b-batteries
>
> Apparently the ANSI standard includes them, but no-one uses them any
> more.
>
>
> (Note for pedants: yes, I know we're really talking about "cells"
> rather than "batteries".)
>
>
supplies about 1.5v. However, a 9v battery contains six 1.5 v cells.
R H Draney
Feb 10, 2012, 2:46:21 PM2/10/12
to
Adam Funk filted:
emergency lanterns that run on 6-volts....
I see fire extinguishers available for all sorts of combinations of fire classes
A, B and C, but I don't think I've ever seen one for class D....r
>
>I've got AAA, AA, C, D, and 9 V batteries in the house, but I've
>never seen A or B.
I've got a couple of packets of N cells in a drawer somewhere, and a set of
>I've got AAA, AA, C, D, and 9 V batteries in the house, but I've
>never seen A or B.
emergency lanterns that run on 6-volts....
I see fire extinguishers available for all sorts of combinations of fire classes
A, B and C, but I don't think I've ever seen one for class D....r
Walter P. Zähl
Feb 10, 2012, 3:44:05 PM2/10/12
to
"John Holmes" <s...@sig.instead> wrote:
> J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>> Why do battery sizes come with a lot of AAA-s?
>
> Because if they had XXXXs, they'd be beer batteries.
That sounds fishy.
> J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>> Why do battery sizes come with a lot of AAA-s?
>
> Because if they had XXXXs, they'd be beer batteries.
/Walter
David Dyer-Bennet
Feb 10, 2012, 3:44:28 PM2/10/12
to
R H Draney <dado...@spamcop.net> writes:
> Adam Funk filted:
>>
>>I've got AAA, AA, C, D, and 9 V batteries in the house, but I've
>>never seen A or B.
>
> I've got a couple of packets of N cells in a drawer somewhere, and a set of
> emergency lanterns that run on 6-volts....
There's also a AAAA.
> Adam Funk filted:
>>
>>I've got AAA, AA, C, D, and 9 V batteries in the house, but I've
>>never seen A or B.
>
> I've got a couple of packets of N cells in a drawer somewhere, and a set of
> emergency lanterns that run on 6-volts....
I've got some N cells. By mistake, they looked too much like A23 (12V,
close to same size).
> I see fire extinguishers available for all sorts of combinations of fire classes
> A, B and C, but I don't think I've ever seen one for class D....r
much of that. (That seems to be true across three different national
rating systems, even.)
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Adam Funk
Feb 10, 2012, 4:10:28 PM2/10/12
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On 2012-02-10, R H Draney wrote:
--
...the reason why so many professional artists drink a lot is not
necessarily very much to do with the artistic temperament, etc. It is
simply that they can afford to, because they can normally take a large
part of a day off to deal with the ravages. [Amis _On Drink_]
Snidely
Feb 10, 2012, 4:38:29 PM2/10/12
to
David Dyer-Bennet <dd...@dd-b.net> scribbled something like ...
/dps
> R H Draney <dado...@spamcop.net> writes:
>> I see fire extinguishers available for all sorts of combinations of
>> fire classes A, B and C, but I don't think I've ever seen one for
>> class D....r
>
> Class D is combustible metals; most home extinguishers aren't up to
> very much of that. (That seems to be true across three different
> national rating systems, even.)
Heck, don't *Fire Departments* usually stand back from those, too?
>> I see fire extinguishers available for all sorts of combinations of
>> fire classes A, B and C, but I don't think I've ever seen one for
>> class D....r
>
> Class D is combustible metals; most home extinguishers aren't up to
> very much of that. (That seems to be true across three different
> national rating systems, even.)
/dps
R H Draney
Feb 10, 2012, 4:41:09 PM2/10/12
to
Adam Funk filted:
>
>On 2012-02-10, R H Draney wrote:
>
>> Adam Funk filted:
>>>
>>>I've got AAA, AA, C, D, and 9 V batteries in the house, but I've
>>>never seen A or B.
>>
>> I've got a couple of packets of N cells in a drawer somewhere, and a set of
>> emergency lanterns that run on 6-volts....
>>
>>I see fire extinguishers available for all sorts of combinations of fire classes
>> A, B and C, but I don't think I've ever seen one for class D....r
>
>Got any 9 V extinguishers?
Yeah, my old clock radio...eats the damn things alive....r
>On 2012-02-10, R H Draney wrote:
>
>> Adam Funk filted:
>>>
>>>I've got AAA, AA, C, D, and 9 V batteries in the house, but I've
>>>never seen A or B.
>>
>> I've got a couple of packets of N cells in a drawer somewhere, and a set of
>> emergency lanterns that run on 6-volts....
>>
>>I see fire extinguishers available for all sorts of combinations of fire classes
>> A, B and C, but I don't think I've ever seen one for class D....r
>
>Got any 9 V extinguishers?
R H Draney
Feb 10, 2012, 4:42:17 PM2/10/12
to
David Dyer-Bennet filted:
detector, I think, or maybe the cordless doorbell....r
>
>R H Draney <dado...@spamcop.net> writes:
>>
>> I've got a couple of packets of N cells in a drawer somewhere, and a set of
>> emergency lanterns that run on 6-volts....
>
>R H Draney <dado...@spamcop.net> writes:
>>
>> I've got a couple of packets of N cells in a drawer somewhere, and a set of
>> emergency lanterns that run on 6-volts....
>
>I've got some N cells. By mistake, they looked too much like A23 (12V,
>close to same size).
Mine were bought to power a particular device that I no longer own...smoke
>close to same size).
detector, I think, or maybe the cordless doorbell....r
Peter Brooks
Feb 10, 2012, 4:50:26 PM2/10/12
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On Feb 10, 11:44 pm, David Dyer-Bennet <d...@dd-b.net> wrote:
American European Australian/Asian Fuel/Heat source
Class A Class A Class A Ordinary combustibles
Class B Class B Class B Inflammable liquids
Class C Class C Inflammable gases
Class C No Class Class E Electrical equipment
Class D Class D Class D Combustible metals
Class K Class F Class F Cooking oil or fat
Having 'E' for 'Electrical', and 'F' for 'Fat' seems very sensible -
though it'd make more sense if 'O' was for ordinary (like the blood)
and 'L' for liquids. It's peculiar that American firemen don't
distinguish between liquid or gas fires - perhaps it's because they
call petrol 'gas'.
Odd too that Europeans, apparently, don't have a class for electrical
fires. I wonder what European firemen classify them as.
> R H Draney <dadoc...@spamcop.net> writes:
>
> > Adam Funk filted:
>
> >>I've got AAA, AA, C, D, and 9 V batteries in the house, but I've
> >>never seen A or B.
>
> > I've got a couple of packets of N cells in a drawer somewhere, and a set of
> > emergency lanterns that run on 6-volts....
>
> There's also a AAAA.
>
> I've got some N cells. By mistake, they looked too much like A23 (12V,
> close to same size).
>
> > I see fire extinguishers available for all sorts of combinations of fire classes
> > A, B and C, but I don't think I've ever seen one for class D....r
>
> Class D is combustible metals; most home extinguishers aren't up to very
> much of that. (That seems to be true across three different national
> rating systems, even.)
>
I see that the classes are:
>
> > Adam Funk filted:
>
> >>I've got AAA, AA, C, D, and 9 V batteries in the house, but I've
> >>never seen A or B.
>
> > I've got a couple of packets of N cells in a drawer somewhere, and a set of
> > emergency lanterns that run on 6-volts....
>
> There's also a AAAA.
>
> I've got some N cells. By mistake, they looked too much like A23 (12V,
> close to same size).
>
> > I see fire extinguishers available for all sorts of combinations of fire classes
> > A, B and C, but I don't think I've ever seen one for class D....r
>
> Class D is combustible metals; most home extinguishers aren't up to very
> much of that. (That seems to be true across three different national
> rating systems, even.)
>
American European Australian/Asian Fuel/Heat source
Class A Class A Class A Ordinary combustibles
Class B Class B Class B Inflammable liquids
Class C Class C Inflammable gases
Class C No Class Class E Electrical equipment
Class D Class D Class D Combustible metals
Class K Class F Class F Cooking oil or fat
Having 'E' for 'Electrical', and 'F' for 'Fat' seems very sensible -
though it'd make more sense if 'O' was for ordinary (like the blood)
and 'L' for liquids. It's peculiar that American firemen don't
distinguish between liquid or gas fires - perhaps it's because they
call petrol 'gas'.
Odd too that Europeans, apparently, don't have a class for electrical
fires. I wonder what European firemen classify them as.
Evan Kirshenbaum
Feb 10, 2012, 5:41:22 PM2/10/12
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Peter Brooks <peter.h....@gmail.com> writes:
> I see that the classes are:
>
> American European Australian/Asian Fuel/Heat source
> Class A Class A Class A Ordinary combustibles
> Class B Class B Class B Inflammable liquids
> Class C Class C Inflammable gases
> Class C No Class Class E Electrical equipment
> Class D Class D Class D Combustible metals
> Class K Class F Class F Cooking oil or fat
>
> Having 'E' for 'Electrical', and 'F' for 'Fat' seems very sensible -
I would guess that "K" stands for "Kitchen".
> I see that the classes are:
>
> American European Australian/Asian Fuel/Heat source
> Class A Class A Class A Ordinary combustibles
> Class B Class B Class B Inflammable liquids
> Class C Class C Inflammable gases
> Class C No Class Class E Electrical equipment
> Class D Class D Class D Combustible metals
> Class K Class F Class F Cooking oil or fat
>
> Having 'E' for 'Electrical', and 'F' for 'Fat' seems very sensible -
> though it'd make more sense if 'O' was for ordinary (like the blood)
> and 'L' for liquids. It's peculiar that American firemen don't
> distinguish between liquid or gas fires - perhaps it's because they
> call petrol 'gas'.
rated for one of Class B or C but not the other?
I've got one (American) B/C extinguisher in my kitchen and an A/B/C
extinguisher in the garage. For what it's worth, the kitchen one
glosses B as "liquids" while the garage one glosses it as "liquids,
grease".
I can't offhand think of an "inflammable gas" fire that could happen
here that I'd think I might have a chance of putting out. I'd think
that most of them would either be explosive or burn up the fuel rather
quickly, at which point I'd be trying to put out whatever the initial
combustion set on fire (assuming there's anything left of the house).
> Odd too that Europeans, apparently, don't have a class for electrical
> fires. I wonder what European firemen classify them as.
Evan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------
Still with HP Labs |ActiveX is pretty harmless anyway.
SF Bay Area (1982-) |It can't affect you unless you
Chicago (1964-1982) |install Windows, and who would be
|foolish enough to do that?
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Duggy
Feb 10, 2012, 6:32:33 PM2/10/12
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===
= DUG.
===
Duggy
Feb 10, 2012, 6:36:17 PM2/10/12
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On Feb 11, 7:50 am, Peter Brooks <peter.h.m.bro...@gmail.com> wrote:
multiple languages. If you started making them represent words in the
local language problems would start.
Not to mention remembering the words. Was "O" for Ordinary or Oil?
===
= DUG.
===
Robert Bannister
Feb 10, 2012, 6:56:03 PM2/10/12
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--
Robert Bannister
Peter Moylan
Feb 10, 2012, 10:36:04 PM2/10/12
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I was about to post something contradicting Adam's point, but I've just
looked through my collection and I see that I don't have any A or B
cells either. Now I'm wondering when that changed. The A size used to be
the most common at one time.
(And before that, the most common ones were those squarish cells that
were stacked into a brick-pile to make a 96 V wireless battery.)
Where we really need a new labelling system is for the little
button-shaped cells that fall through cracks in the floor while you're
trying to figure out how to open the battery compartment. Whenever I
have to replace one I have to search through several shops, because
nobody wants to carry the full range of unstandardised sizes. At each
place I must
(a) look for something of about the right size;
(b) visually compare the size with the size of the
dead cell I'm carrying (not easy when
shrink-wrapping gets in the way);
(c) Read the fine print that lists the "equivalent
to" information, a task that's made harder
because I always forget to bring along a
magnifying glass.
The manufacturers all seem to assume that everyone has memorised the
fact that an XYZ2002 is a drop-in replacement for an LXQ3A99.
Garrett Wollman
Feb 10, 2012, 10:43:52 PM2/10/12
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In article <H6SdnQ6gVsa7f6jS...@westnet.com.au>,
tells me that the labeling system is already standardized in IEC
60086-3. That decodes as lithium (C), round (R), 20 mm diameter x 3.2
mm thickness.
-GAWollman
--
Garrett A. Wollman | What intellectual phenomenon can be older, or more oft
wol...@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program
Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption
my employers. | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993
Peter Moylan <inv...@peter.pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>Where we really need a new labelling system is for the little
>button-shaped cells that fall through cracks in the floor while you're
>trying to figure out how to open the battery compartment.
In my experience, the CR2032 is by far the most common. Wikipedia
>Where we really need a new labelling system is for the little
>button-shaped cells that fall through cracks in the floor while you're
>trying to figure out how to open the battery compartment.
tells me that the labeling system is already standardized in IEC
60086-3. That decodes as lithium (C), round (R), 20 mm diameter x 3.2
mm thickness.
-GAWollman
--
Garrett A. Wollman | What intellectual phenomenon can be older, or more oft
wol...@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program
Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption
my employers. | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993
Garrett Wollman
Feb 10, 2012, 10:46:29 PM2/10/12
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In article <ylfk7gzu...@dd-b.net>,
bought, the remote used a J battery. Apparently they are still used
in some home medical devices, based on the search results....
David Dyer-Bennet <dd...@dd-b.net> wrote:
>R H Draney <dado...@spamcop.net> writes:
>> I've got a couple of packets of N cells in a drawer somewhere, and a set of
>> emergency lanterns that run on 6-volts....
>There's also a AAAA.
And also J. I remember the first remote-control TV set my parents
>R H Draney <dado...@spamcop.net> writes:
>> I've got a couple of packets of N cells in a drawer somewhere, and a set of
>> emergency lanterns that run on 6-volts....
>There's also a AAAA.
bought, the remote used a J battery. Apparently they are still used
in some home medical devices, based on the search results....
Joy Beeson
Feb 10, 2012, 11:54:23 PM2/10/12
to
On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 21:38:29 +0000 (UTC), Snidely
<snide...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Heck, don't *Fire Departments* usually stand back from those, too?
The Hazmat rule of thumb: Hold your thumb up as far from your face as
<snide...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Heck, don't *Fire Departments* usually stand back from those, too?
you can. If you can still see the incident, you're too close.
--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net
R H Draney
Feb 11, 2012, 2:08:59 AM2/11/12
to
Garrett Wollman filted:
more common than all others, in fact, that I started buying them in bulk when my
mother discovered that I could change watch batteries without her having to pay
a jeweler....r
>
>In article <H6SdnQ6gVsa7f6jS...@westnet.com.au>,
>Peter Moylan <inv...@peter.pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>>Where we really need a new labelling system is for the little
>>button-shaped cells that fall through cracks in the floor while you're
>>trying to figure out how to open the battery compartment.
>
>In my experience, the CR2032 is by far the most common. Wikipedia
>tells me that the labeling system is already standardized in IEC
>60086-3. That decodes as lithium (C), round (R), 20 mm diameter x 3.2
>mm thickness.
My experience differs...the most common "button" battery is the 357...so much
>In article <H6SdnQ6gVsa7f6jS...@westnet.com.au>,
>Peter Moylan <inv...@peter.pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>>Where we really need a new labelling system is for the little
>>button-shaped cells that fall through cracks in the floor while you're
>>trying to figure out how to open the battery compartment.
>
>In my experience, the CR2032 is by far the most common. Wikipedia
>tells me that the labeling system is already standardized in IEC
>60086-3. That decodes as lithium (C), round (R), 20 mm diameter x 3.2
>mm thickness.
more common than all others, in fact, that I started buying them in bulk when my
mother discovered that I could change watch batteries without her having to pay
a jeweler....r
John Holmes
Feb 11, 2012, 2:58:10 AM2/11/12
to
"R H Draney" <dado...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:jh42v...@drn.newsguy.com...
brass screw terminals on top that were used for door chimes and school
science experiments? Is that the No.6/R40/905 at the link below? I haven't
seen one of those for years.
I also remember a few large boxy types that were used in the days of
portable valve radios. They might have been the PP series here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battery_sizes
(But I thought some of them went up to higher voltages, maybe 45V or 90V?
Ah, yes, here's one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_(vacuum_tube) ).
Nick Spalding
Feb 11, 2012, 3:35:58 AM2/11/12
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John Holmes wrote, in <4f361fa5$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>
on Sat, 11 Feb 2012 18:58:10 +1100:
>I also remember a few large boxy types that were used in the days of
>portable valve radios. They might have been the PP series here:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battery_sizes
>(But I thought some of them went up to higher voltages, maybe 45V or 90V?
>Ah, yes, here's one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_(vacuum_tube) ).
Those pictures aren't much like the batteries I remember. The HT
battery was about 9" by 6" by 3" with plug sockets at 0, 60, 90 and
120v. The grid bias battery was about 6" by 1" by 3" tapped at 0,
4.5, 6, 7.5 and 9v. The filament battery was a 2v lead-acid
accumulator.
--
Nick Spalding
BrE/IrE
on Sat, 11 Feb 2012 18:58:10 +1100:
>I also remember a few large boxy types that were used in the days of
>portable valve radios. They might have been the PP series here:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battery_sizes
>(But I thought some of them went up to higher voltages, maybe 45V or 90V?
>Ah, yes, here's one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_(vacuum_tube) ).
battery was about 9" by 6" by 3" with plug sockets at 0, 60, 90 and
120v. The grid bias battery was about 6" by 1" by 3" tapped at 0,
4.5, 6, 7.5 and 9v. The filament battery was a 2v lead-acid
accumulator.
--
Nick Spalding
BrE/IrE
Leslie Danks
Feb 11, 2012, 4:23:02 AM2/11/12
to
jars for future use:
<http://www.electricityforum.com/images/static-electricity1.jpg>
--
Les
(BrE)
J. J. Lodder
Feb 11, 2012, 4:50:06 AM2/11/12
to
Peter Moylan <inv...@peter.pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
> James Silverton wrote:
> > On 2/10/2012 7:06 AM, Adam Funk wrote:
> >> On 2012-02-10, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>
> >>> tony cooper<tony.co...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> I have never seen numbers like 1000 or 40 used to indicate a shirt
> >>>> size. Not in the US.
> >>>
> >>> Why do battery sizes come with a lot of AAA-s?
> >>
> >> I've got AAA, AA, C, D, and 9 V batteries in the house, but I've
> >> never seen A or B.
> >>
> >> http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/866/how-come-you-never-see-any-b-b
atteries
> >>
> >>
> >> Apparently the ANSI standard includes them, but no-one uses them any
> >> more.
> >>
> >>
> >> (Note for pedants: yes, I know we're really talking about "cells"
> >> rather than "batteries".)
> >>
> >>
> > In some cases "cells" might be correct; in fact where the battery
> > supplies about 1.5v. However, a 9v battery contains six 1.5 v cells.
> >
> Yes, but only the 1.5 V ones use the ABCD labelling system.
>
> I was about to post something contradicting Adam's point, but I've just
> looked through my collection and I see that I don't have any A or B
> cells either. Now I'm wondering when that changed. The A size used to be
> the most common at one time.
Even crazier: My Mac needs a 3.6 V 1/2 AA battery,
> James Silverton wrote:
> > On 2/10/2012 7:06 AM, Adam Funk wrote:
> >> On 2012-02-10, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>
> >>> tony cooper<tony.co...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> I have never seen numbers like 1000 or 40 used to indicate a shirt
> >>>> size. Not in the US.
> >>>
> >>> Why do battery sizes come with a lot of AAA-s?
> >>
> >> I've got AAA, AA, C, D, and 9 V batteries in the house, but I've
> >> never seen A or B.
> >>
> >> http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/866/how-come-you-never-see-any-b-b
atteries
> >>
> >>
> >> Apparently the ANSI standard includes them, but no-one uses them any
> >> more.
> >>
> >>
> >> (Note for pedants: yes, I know we're really talking about "cells"
> >> rather than "batteries".)
> >>
> >>
> > In some cases "cells" might be correct; in fact where the battery
> > supplies about 1.5v. However, a 9v battery contains six 1.5 v cells.
> >
> Yes, but only the 1.5 V ones use the ABCD labelling system.
>
> I was about to post something contradicting Adam's point, but I've just
> looked through my collection and I see that I don't have any A or B
> cells either. Now I'm wondering when that changed. The A size used to be
> the most common at one time.
Jan
J. J. Lodder
Feb 11, 2012, 4:50:11 AM2/11/12
to
Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
> On 2012-02-10, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>
> > tony cooper <tony.co...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> I have never seen numbers like 1000 or 40 used to indicate a shirt
> >> size. Not in the US.
> >
> > Why do battery sizes come with a lot of AAA-s?
>
> I've got AAA, AA, C, D, and 9 V batteries in the house, but I've
> never seen A or B.
>
> http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/866/how-come-you-never-see-any-b-batt
eries
>
> Apparently the ANSI standard includes them, but no-one uses them any
> more.
>
>
> (Note for pedants: yes, I know we're really talking about "cells"
> rather than "batteries".)
Those who invented those systems didn't foresee
> On 2012-02-10, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>
> > tony cooper <tony.co...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> I have never seen numbers like 1000 or 40 used to indicate a shirt
> >> size. Not in the US.
> >
> > Why do battery sizes come with a lot of AAA-s?
>
> I've got AAA, AA, C, D, and 9 V batteries in the house, but I've
> never seen A or B.
>
> http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/866/how-come-you-never-see-any-b-batt
eries
>
> Apparently the ANSI standard includes them, but no-one uses them any
> more.
>
>
> (Note for pedants: yes, I know we're really talking about "cells"
> rather than "batteries".)
that Americans would get fatter and fatter,
and batteries smaller and smaller,
Jan
John Holmes
Feb 11, 2012, 5:14:25 AM2/11/12
to
"Peter Moylan" <inv...@peter.pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote in message
news:H6SdnQ6gVsa7f6jS...@westnet.com.au...
> Where we really need a new labelling system is for the little
> button-shaped cells that fall through cracks in the floor while you're
> trying to figure out how to open the battery compartment. Whenever I
> have to replace one I have to search through several shops, because
> nobody wants to carry the full range of unstandardised sizes. At each
> place I must
> (a) look for something of about the right size;
> (b) visually compare the size with the size of the
> dead cell I'm carrying (not easy when
> shrink-wrapping gets in the way);
> (c) Read the fine print that lists the "equivalent
> to" information, a task that's made harder
> because I always forget to bring along a
> magnifying glass.
OR
> button-shaped cells that fall through cracks in the floor while you're
> trying to figure out how to open the battery compartment. Whenever I
> have to replace one I have to search through several shops, because
> nobody wants to carry the full range of unstandardised sizes. At each
> place I must
> (a) look for something of about the right size;
> (b) visually compare the size with the size of the
> dead cell I'm carrying (not easy when
> shrink-wrapping gets in the way);
> (c) Read the fine print that lists the "equivalent
> to" information, a task that's made harder
> because I always forget to bring along a
> magnifying glass.
(d) Find a Chinese or Vietnamese guy with a watch repair stall at a local
flea market who will identify the type and replace it for $5.
Adam Funk
Feb 11, 2012, 6:17:07 AM2/11/12
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--
English has perfect phonetic spelling. It just doesn't have phonetic
pronunciation. [Peter Moylan]
Adam Funk
Feb 11, 2012, 6:22:27 AM2/11/12
to
On 2012-02-10, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
> R H Draney <dado...@spamcop.net> writes:
>> I see fire extinguishers available for all sorts of combinations of fire classes
>> A, B and C, but I don't think I've ever seen one for class D....r
>
> Class D is combustible metals; most home extinguishers aren't up to very
> much of that. (That seems to be true across three different national
> rating systems, even.)
Not many homes need it? That reminds me of Jon Ronson's article about
> R H Draney <dado...@spamcop.net> writes:
>> I see fire extinguishers available for all sorts of combinations of fire classes
>> A, B and C, but I don't think I've ever seen one for class D....r
>
> Class D is combustible metals; most home extinguishers aren't up to very
> much of that. (That seems to be true across three different national
> rating systems, even.)
home science experiments (I don't mean inflating balloons with kitchen
acids & baking soda) in last week's Guardian magazine.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/feb/03/jon-ronson-diy-science-experiments
DIY science: should you try this at home?
When Richard Handl was arrested for attempting to split the atom on
his stove, he joined a growing band of home experimenters cooking
up all kinds of trouble behind the kitchen door
While I wouldn't want amateur fission in my neighbourhood, the way
they treated Victor Deeb seems disgraceful:
For America's online community of home science experimenters, the
most outrageous moment of all came when the enforcement officer,
Pamela Wilderman, explained her decision-making process to the
local paper: "I think Mr Deeb has crossed a line somewhere," she
said. "This is not what we would consider to be a customary home
occupation."
"Allow me to translate Ms Wilderman's words into plain English,"
wrote Robert Bruce Thompson, the author of Illustrated Guide To
Home Chemistry Experiments. "'Mr Deeb hasn't actually violated any
law or regulation that I can find, but I don't like what he's doing
because I'm ignorant and irrationally afraid of chemicals, so I'll
abuse my power to steal his property and shut him down.' There's a
word for what just happened in Massachusetts. Tyranny."
(He was trying to develop a better lining for beverage cans.)
--
I heard that Hans Christian Andersen lifted the title for "The Little
Mermaid" off a Red Lobster Menu. [Bucky Katt]
John Holmes
Feb 11, 2012, 6:42:23 AM2/11/12
to
rectangle with the corners cut off -- sort of stretched octagon?
James Silverton
Feb 11, 2012, 8:08:45 AM2/11/12
to
not seen in a long time. Ah yes, I see why; the OED says
"Brit. Electr. A rechargeable battery, esp. one in a motor vehicle."
--
Jim Silverton
Extraneous "not" in Reply To.
Leslie Danks
Feb 11, 2012, 8:20:39 AM2/11/12
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rechargeable battery.
--
Les
(BrE)
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
Feb 11, 2012, 8:50:32 AM2/11/12
to
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 08:08:45 -0500, James Silverton
accumulators most people saw, back in the day, were those used for
wirelesses. It was customary to take them to the shop (retail store) for
recharging.
The were two power supplies to a wireless set. The accumulator was used
to power the filaments (heaters) of the valves (vacuum tubes) and was
rechargeable. The remainder of the power came from a high-tension
battery which was not rechargeable.
For instance (during WW2 in England):
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stories/76/a4415276.shtml
We listen to the wireless at nights and the battery was called an
accumulator.
We used to argue about who was going to go to the shop to get the
accumulator charged.
It cost 6d to get it charged. If we didn’t go we didn’t get to
listen to the wireless.
And wartime in Scotland:
http://www.oldleither.com/Wartime.html
Accumulators
As we were without electricity (no house had it in the stair), we
depended upon a high-tension battery to operate our old wireless.
As well as this, an accumulator was also required. How many
children like myself had to carry an accumulator to the local radio
shop for re-charging? A large oblong re-inforced glass containing a
cell and acid, it was carried in a metal frame and swinging handle.
"Mind how you go," I would be warned. Wearing short trousers, no
jeans in those days, I had to be very careful in not spilling the
contents onto myself as I swung it in its frame. Often the acid
would lap over the top and trickle onto my legs. I didn`t suffer
anything more than a tingling burning sensation, but often holes
would appear in my woollen stockings.
The radio was our only domestic entertainment during the long dark
nights of the blackout apart from our box of dominoes. I recall yet
the old couple sitting back and chortling at what was coming out of
the speaker. I would be sitting on the carpet playing with my toys
or else reading my Beano or Dandy comics. During other evenings we
would play dominoes or snakes and ladders. I would sit on the table
during these games.
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
Nick Spalding
Feb 11, 2012, 10:00:56 AM2/11/12
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Nick Spalding wrote, in <st9cj7d6vg8njf6l6...@4ax.com>
on Sat, 11 Feb 2012 08:35:58 +0000:
Found a picture; there are many more taps on the HT battery than on
the ones I remember. The taps on the grid bias one are not very
distinct.
<http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_k0B_dQ8jnXE/SRzSs8fKMRI/AAAAAAAAAR0/e3FZeeKiNRA/s400/Batteries-1.jpg>
or <http://tinyurl.com/7ty2khg>
--
Nick Spalding
BrE/IrE
on Sat, 11 Feb 2012 08:35:58 +0000:
the ones I remember. The taps on the grid bias one are not very
distinct.
<http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_k0B_dQ8jnXE/SRzSs8fKMRI/AAAAAAAAAR0/e3FZeeKiNRA/s400/Batteries-1.jpg>
or <http://tinyurl.com/7ty2khg>
--
Nick Spalding
BrE/IrE
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
Feb 11, 2012, 10:43:13 AM2/11/12
to
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 08:35:58 +0000, Nick Spalding <spal...@iol.ie>
wrote:
This shows a 2v lead-acid accumulator:
http://www.museumoftechnology.org.uk/expand.php?key=191
wrote:
http://www.museumoftechnology.org.uk/expand.php?key=191
Charles Bishop
Feb 11, 2012, 12:59:40 PM2/11/12
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In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-vOOUemY7d4kq@localhost>, "John Varela"
<newl...@verizon.net> wrote:
[snip]
>
>Back in the day, when the troll was practiced on afu by people like
>Snopes and Ted Frank, a good troll was humorous.
My favorite still is "there are no shadows in space"
--
charles
<newl...@verizon.net> wrote:
[snip]
>
>Back in the day, when the troll was practiced on afu by people like
>Snopes and Ted Frank, a good troll was humorous.
My favorite still is "there are no shadows in space"
--
charles
Charles Bishop
Feb 11, 2012, 1:01:31 PM2/11/12
to
In article
<d3360a11-6dee-47e8...@do4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
jgharston <j...@arcade.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>tony cooper wrote:
>> Shirt sizes, in the US, are not in Roman numerals. =A0Casual shirts come
>> in S (Small), M (Medium), L (Large) and XL (Extra Large) and
>> additional Xs (XXL, XXXL, etc) for very large shirts. =A0 Some makers
>> use 2XL instead of XXL or 3XL instead of XXXL.
>
>Surely if sizes are S M L XL XXL then it should be XS S M L XL.
>After all, the definition of middle/median/medium is that
>half of everything is less that it and half of everything is
>more than it.
>
Newspaper headline:
XS M at L
charles, tiny clarivoyant escaped, bishop
<d3360a11-6dee-47e8...@do4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
jgharston <j...@arcade.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>tony cooper wrote:
>> Shirt sizes, in the US, are not in Roman numerals. =A0Casual shirts come
>> in S (Small), M (Medium), L (Large) and XL (Extra Large) and
>> additional Xs (XXL, XXXL, etc) for very large shirts. =A0 Some makers
>> use 2XL instead of XXL or 3XL instead of XXXL.
>
>Surely if sizes are S M L XL XXL then it should be XS S M L XL.
>After all, the definition of middle/median/medium is that
>half of everything is less that it and half of everything is
>more than it.
>
Newspaper headline:
XS M at L
charles, tiny clarivoyant escaped, bishop
Snidely
Feb 11, 2012, 1:54:57 PM2/11/12
to
Nick Spalding <spal...@iol.ie> scribbled something like ...
I know as a 9V "transistor" battery (from all those transistor radios
they were used in, I guess), but on a grander scale.
High voltage, but low current ... if you needed a lot of current at high
voltage, you'd need a much bigger package to hold enough chemistry, and
the telephone companies' central offices would have rooms devoted to
batteries.
I encountered a lot of tube-type radios as a kid, but -- as Alan Sherman
sang -- there were a lot of Japanese Transistor Radios taking over the
portable market, and all the tubes I knew were powered by wall sockets
(120V here).
I probably saw tube-type portable radios on TV ... in shows like Combat
and Rat Patrol, without knowing I was seeing tubes. (And dayjuh thread
... back in the fall, didn't we find pictures of those radios while
talking about handie-talkies for cell phones?)
/dps
>>Those pictures aren't much like the batteries I remember. The HT
>>battery was about 9" by 6" by 3" with plug sockets at 0, 60, 90 and
>>120v. The grid bias battery was about 6" by 1" by 3" tapped at 0,
>>4.5, 6, 7.5 and 9v. The filament battery was a 2v lead-acid
>>accumulator.
>
> Found a picture; there are many more taps on the HT battery than on
> the ones I remember. The taps on the grid bias one are not very
> distinct.
> <http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_k0B_dQ8jnXE/SRzSs8fKMRI/AAAAAAAAAR0/e3FZeeKi
> NRA/s400/Batteries-1.jpg> or <http://tinyurl.com/7ty2khg>
Were the HT batteries just stacks of tiny cells? That would be like what
>>battery was about 9" by 6" by 3" with plug sockets at 0, 60, 90 and
>>120v. The grid bias battery was about 6" by 1" by 3" tapped at 0,
>>4.5, 6, 7.5 and 9v. The filament battery was a 2v lead-acid
>>accumulator.
>
> Found a picture; there are many more taps on the HT battery than on
> the ones I remember. The taps on the grid bias one are not very
> distinct.
> <http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_k0B_dQ8jnXE/SRzSs8fKMRI/AAAAAAAAAR0/e3FZeeKi
> NRA/s400/Batteries-1.jpg> or <http://tinyurl.com/7ty2khg>
I know as a 9V "transistor" battery (from all those transistor radios
they were used in, I guess), but on a grander scale.
High voltage, but low current ... if you needed a lot of current at high
voltage, you'd need a much bigger package to hold enough chemistry, and
the telephone companies' central offices would have rooms devoted to
batteries.
I encountered a lot of tube-type radios as a kid, but -- as Alan Sherman
sang -- there were a lot of Japanese Transistor Radios taking over the
portable market, and all the tubes I knew were powered by wall sockets
(120V here).
I probably saw tube-type portable radios on TV ... in shows like Combat
and Rat Patrol, without knowing I was seeing tubes. (And dayjuh thread
... back in the fall, didn't we find pictures of those radios while
talking about handie-talkies for cell phones?)
/dps
Garrett Wollman
Feb 11, 2012, 1:58:44 PM2/11/12
to
In article <Xns9FF66F0845...@88.198.244.100>,
Snidely <snide...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I probably saw tube-type portable radios on TV ... in shows like Combat
>and Rat Patrol, without knowing I was seeing tubes. (And dayjuh thread
Oy!
>I probably saw tube-type portable radios on TV ... in shows like Combat
>and Rat Patrol, without knowing I was seeing tubes. (And dayjuh thread
Snidely
Feb 11, 2012, 2:23:54 PM2/11/12
to
wol...@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) scribbled something like ...
> In article <Xns9FF66F0845...@88.198.244.100>,
> Snidely <snide...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>I probably saw tube-type portable radios on TV ... in shows like Combat
>>and Rat Patrol, without knowing I was seeing tubes. (And dayjuh thread
>
> Oy!
Well, okay, there was ONE tube I knew I was looking at.
/dps "maybe about 18"
> In article <Xns9FF66F0845...@88.198.244.100>,
> Snidely <snide...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>I probably saw tube-type portable radios on TV ... in shows like Combat
>>and Rat Patrol, without knowing I was seeing tubes. (And dayjuh thread
>
> Oy!
/dps "maybe about 18"
Adam Funk
Feb 11, 2012, 2:54:19 PM2/11/12
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--
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?
John Varela
Feb 11, 2012, 3:31:34 PM2/11/12
to
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 03:36:04 UTC, Peter Moylan
<inv...@peter.pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
> I was about to post something contradicting Adam's point, but I've just
> looked through my collection and I see that I don't have any A or B
> cells either. Now I'm wondering when that changed. The A size used to be
> the most common at one time.
Really? The most common here, especially for flashlights/torches,
<inv...@peter.pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
> I was about to post something contradicting Adam's point, but I've just
> looked through my collection and I see that I don't have any A or B
> cells either. Now I'm wondering when that changed. The A size used to be
> the most common at one time.
used to be the D cell. Big flashlights that used three D cells were
not uncommon. Nowadays flashlights all use C cells or smaller. I
have a bunch of D cells that I bought some years ago and have found
no use for, since I have only one flashlight that uses Ds and then
only two of them. I've been meaning to ask daughter-in-law if she
can use them for the boys' games.
--
John Varela
John Varela
Feb 11, 2012, 3:38:10 PM2/11/12
to
On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:44:28 UTC, David Dyer-Bennet <dd...@dd-b.net>
wrote:
> I've got some N cells. By mistake, they looked too much like A23 (12V,
> close to same size).
My wife used to have a pin in the shape of a bust of Santa Claus. It
took an N cell and if you pulled a string Santa's red nose lit up. I
still have an N cell because they only came in packets of two. There
is no use for an N cell that I can discover unless we can find
another novelty pin.
--
John Varela
wrote:
> I've got some N cells. By mistake, they looked too much like A23 (12V,
> close to same size).
took an N cell and if you pulled a string Santa's red nose lit up. I
still have an N cell because they only came in packets of two. There
is no use for an N cell that I can discover unless we can find
another novelty pin.
--
John Varela
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
Feb 11, 2012, 3:41:32 PM2/11/12
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 19:54:19 +0000, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com>
wrote:
>On 2012-02-11, James Silverton wrote:
>
>> On 2/11/2012 3:35 AM, Nick Spalding wrote:
>
>>> Those pictures aren't much like the batteries I remember. The HT
>>> battery was about 9" by 6" by 3" with plug sockets at 0, 60, 90 and
>>> 120v. The grid bias battery was about 6" by 1" by 3" tapped at 0,
>>> 4.5, 6, 7.5 and 9v. The filament battery was a 2v lead-acid
>>> accumulator.
>>
>> "Accumulator"; now that's a word for a rechargeable battery that I have
>> not seen in a long time. Ah yes, I see why; the OED says
>> "Brit. Electr. A rechargeable battery, esp. one in a motor vehicle."
>
>Bring back the Leyden jar, I say.
Any connection with the Bin Leyden family?
wrote:
>On 2012-02-11, James Silverton wrote:
>
>> On 2/11/2012 3:35 AM, Nick Spalding wrote:
>
>>> Those pictures aren't much like the batteries I remember. The HT
>>> battery was about 9" by 6" by 3" with plug sockets at 0, 60, 90 and
>>> 120v. The grid bias battery was about 6" by 1" by 3" tapped at 0,
>>> 4.5, 6, 7.5 and 9v. The filament battery was a 2v lead-acid
>>> accumulator.
>>
>> "Accumulator"; now that's a word for a rechargeable battery that I have
>> not seen in a long time. Ah yes, I see why; the OED says
>> "Brit. Electr. A rechargeable battery, esp. one in a motor vehicle."
>
>Bring back the Leyden jar, I say.
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
Feb 11, 2012, 3:46:47 PM2/11/12
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 18:54:57 +0000 (UTC), Snidely
<snide...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Nick Spalding <spal...@iol.ie> scribbled something like ...
>> Nick Spalding wrote, in <st9cj7d6vg8njf6l6...@4ax.com>
>> on Sat, 11 Feb 2012 08:35:58 +0000:
>>
>
>>>Those pictures aren't much like the batteries I remember. The HT
>>>battery was about 9" by 6" by 3" with plug sockets at 0, 60, 90 and
>>>120v. The grid bias battery was about 6" by 1" by 3" tapped at 0,
>>>4.5, 6, 7.5 and 9v. The filament battery was a 2v lead-acid
>>>accumulator.
>>
>> Found a picture; there are many more taps on the HT battery than on
>> the ones I remember. The taps on the grid bias one are not very
>> distinct.
>> <http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_k0B_dQ8jnXE/SRzSs8fKMRI/AAAAAAAAAR0/e3FZeeKi
>> NRA/s400/Batteries-1.jpg> or <http://tinyurl.com/7ty2khg>
>
>Were the HT batteries just stacks of tiny cells? That would be like what
>I know as a 9V "transistor" battery (from all those transistor radios
>they were used in, I guess), but on a grander scale.
Yes. See here:
<snide...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Nick Spalding <spal...@iol.ie> scribbled something like ...
>> Nick Spalding wrote, in <st9cj7d6vg8njf6l6...@4ax.com>
>> on Sat, 11 Feb 2012 08:35:58 +0000:
>>
>
>>>Those pictures aren't much like the batteries I remember. The HT
>>>battery was about 9" by 6" by 3" with plug sockets at 0, 60, 90 and
>>>120v. The grid bias battery was about 6" by 1" by 3" tapped at 0,
>>>4.5, 6, 7.5 and 9v. The filament battery was a 2v lead-acid
>>>accumulator.
>>
>> Found a picture; there are many more taps on the HT battery than on
>> the ones I remember. The taps on the grid bias one are not very
>> distinct.
>> <http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_k0B_dQ8jnXE/SRzSs8fKMRI/AAAAAAAAAR0/e3FZeeKi
>> NRA/s400/Batteries-1.jpg> or <http://tinyurl.com/7ty2khg>
>
>Were the HT batteries just stacks of tiny cells? That would be like what
>I know as a 9V "transistor" battery (from all those transistor radios
>they were used in, I guess), but on a grander scale.
http://poundswick.consequentialexperimentation.net/skycountess.htm
The H.T battery is more interesting. It, too, is built up from
individual 1.5-volt cells; there are 15 of them in each of the four
vertical stacks (you can see them as individual horizontal layers)
making 60 cells in all. They are wired in series to give 60 x 1.5,
which equals 90 volts in total.
Adam Funk
Feb 11, 2012, 3:58:15 PM2/11/12
to
Adam Funk
Feb 11, 2012, 4:00:05 PM2/11/12
to
the same amount of usable, visible light from less power. (IIRC,
bigger cells can supply more current than smaller ones with the same
nominal voltage.)
Snidely
Feb 11, 2012, 4:29:40 PM2/11/12
to
Nick Spalding
Feb 11, 2012, 4:37:52 PM2/11/12
to
Snidely wrote, in <Xns9FF66F0845...@88.198.244.100>
on Sat, 11 Feb 2012 18:54:57 +0000 (UTC):
>Nick Spalding <spal...@iol.ie> scribbled something like ...
>> Nick Spalding wrote, in <st9cj7d6vg8njf6l6...@4ax.com>
>> on Sat, 11 Feb 2012 08:35:58 +0000:
>>
>
>>>Those pictures aren't much like the batteries I remember. The HT
>>>battery was about 9" by 6" by 3" with plug sockets at 0, 60, 90 and
>>>120v. The grid bias battery was about 6" by 1" by 3" tapped at 0,
>>>4.5, 6, 7.5 and 9v. The filament battery was a 2v lead-acid
>>>accumulator.
>>
>> Found a picture; there are many more taps on the HT battery than on
>> the ones I remember. The taps on the grid bias one are not very
>> distinct.
>> <http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_k0B_dQ8jnXE/SRzSs8fKMRI/AAAAAAAAAR0/e3FZeeKi
>> NRA/s400/Batteries-1.jpg> or <http://tinyurl.com/7ty2khg>
>
>Were the HT batteries just stacks of tiny cells? That would be like what
>I know as a 9V "transistor" battery (from all those transistor radios
>they were used in, I guess), but on a grander scale.
They weren't that tiny, about 3" tall and พ" diameter zinc/carbon
cells.
>High voltage, but low current ... if you needed a lot of current at high
>voltage, you'd need a much bigger package to hold enough chemistry, and
>the telephone companies' central offices would have rooms devoted to
>batteries.
>
>I encountered a lot of tube-type radios as a kid, but -- as Alan Sherman
>sang -- there were a lot of Japanese Transistor Radios taking over the
>portable market, and all the tubes I knew were powered by wall sockets
>(120V here).
>
>I probably saw tube-type portable radios on TV ... in shows like Combat
>and Rat Patrol, without knowing I was seeing tubes. (And dayjuh thread
>... back in the fall, didn't we find pictures of those radios while
>talking about handie-talkies for cell phones?)
>
>/dps
--
Nick Spalding
BrE/IrE
on Sat, 11 Feb 2012 18:54:57 +0000 (UTC):
>Nick Spalding <spal...@iol.ie> scribbled something like ...
>> Nick Spalding wrote, in <st9cj7d6vg8njf6l6...@4ax.com>
>> on Sat, 11 Feb 2012 08:35:58 +0000:
>>
>
>>>Those pictures aren't much like the batteries I remember. The HT
>>>battery was about 9" by 6" by 3" with plug sockets at 0, 60, 90 and
>>>120v. The grid bias battery was about 6" by 1" by 3" tapped at 0,
>>>4.5, 6, 7.5 and 9v. The filament battery was a 2v lead-acid
>>>accumulator.
>>
>> Found a picture; there are many more taps on the HT battery than on
>> the ones I remember. The taps on the grid bias one are not very
>> distinct.
>> <http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_k0B_dQ8jnXE/SRzSs8fKMRI/AAAAAAAAAR0/e3FZeeKi
>> NRA/s400/Batteries-1.jpg> or <http://tinyurl.com/7ty2khg>
>
>Were the HT batteries just stacks of tiny cells? That would be like what
>I know as a 9V "transistor" battery (from all those transistor radios
>they were used in, I guess), but on a grander scale.
cells.
>High voltage, but low current ... if you needed a lot of current at high
>voltage, you'd need a much bigger package to hold enough chemistry, and
>the telephone companies' central offices would have rooms devoted to
>batteries.
>
>I encountered a lot of tube-type radios as a kid, but -- as Alan Sherman
>sang -- there were a lot of Japanese Transistor Radios taking over the
>portable market, and all the tubes I knew were powered by wall sockets
>(120V here).
>
>I probably saw tube-type portable radios on TV ... in shows like Combat
>and Rat Patrol, without knowing I was seeing tubes. (And dayjuh thread
>... back in the fall, didn't we find pictures of those radios while
>talking about handie-talkies for cell phones?)
>
>/dps
Nick Spalding
BrE/IrE
Jerry Friedman
Feb 11, 2012, 6:24:12 PM2/11/12
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On Feb 10, 9:54 pm, Joy Beeson <jbee...@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 21:38:29 +0000 (UTC), Snidely
>
> <snidely....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Heck, don't *Fire Departments* usually stand back from those, too?
>
> The Hazmat rule of thumb: Hold your thumb up as far from your face as
> you can. If you can still see the incident, you're too close.
:-)
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Jerry Friedman
> On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 21:38:29 +0000 (UTC), Snidely
>
> <snidely....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Heck, don't *Fire Departments* usually stand back from those, too?
>
> The Hazmat rule of thumb: Hold your thumb up as far from your face as
> you can. If you can still see the incident, you're too close.
:-)
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David Dyer-Bennet
Feb 11, 2012, 6:48:41 PM2/11/12
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a photographer. (But, really, I'd suggest seriously looking at the V5
instead -- which uses AAA instead.)
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David Dyer-Bennet
Feb 11, 2012, 6:50:45 PM2/11/12
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Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> writes:
> On 2012-02-10, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
>
>> R H Draney <dado...@spamcop.net> writes:
>
>>> I see fire extinguishers available for all sorts of combinations of fire classes
>>> A, B and C, but I don't think I've ever seen one for class D....r
>>
>> Class D is combustible metals; most home extinguishers aren't up to very
>> much of that. (That seems to be true across three different national
>> rating systems, even.)
>
> Not many homes need it?
We can, at least, hope for that!
> On 2012-02-10, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
>
>> R H Draney <dado...@spamcop.net> writes:
>
>>> I see fire extinguishers available for all sorts of combinations of fire classes
>>> A, B and C, but I don't think I've ever seen one for class D....r
>>
>> Class D is combustible metals; most home extinguishers aren't up to very
>> much of that. (That seems to be true across three different national
>> rating systems, even.)
>
> Not many homes need it?
David Dyer-Bennet
Feb 11, 2012, 7:00:30 PM2/11/12
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"John Holmes" <s...@sig.instead> writes:
> "R H Draney" <dado...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
> news:jh42v...@drn.newsguy.com...
>> David Dyer-Bennet filted:
>> detector, I think, or maybe the cordless doorbell....r
>
> What were the large cylindrical ones, a bit bigger than a drink can, with
> brass screw terminals on top that were used for door chimes and school
> science experiments? Is that the No.6/R40/905 at the link below? I haven't
> seen one of those for years.
No idea. I know they were 1.5 volts, though. I know I had some as a
child, but I haven't thought of them in decades.
> I also remember a few large boxy types that were used in the days of
> portable valve radios. They might have been the PP series here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battery_sizes
> (But I thought some of them went up to higher voltages, maybe 45V or
> 90V? Ah, yes, here's one:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_(vacuum_tube) ).
I had an electronic flash unit (a Braun RL515, to be precise) that took
a 510V drycell battery. The last one I bought, in the late 80s or early
90s, cost $35.
> "R H Draney" <dado...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
> news:jh42v...@drn.newsguy.com...
>> David Dyer-Bennet filted:
>>>> I've got a couple of packets of N cells in a drawer somewhere, and a set
>>>> of
>>>> emergency lanterns that run on 6-volts....
>>>
>>>> of
>>>> emergency lanterns that run on 6-volts....
>>>
>>>I've got some N cells. By mistake, they looked too much like A23 (12V,
>>>close to same size).
>>
>> Mine were bought to power a particular device that I no longer own...smoke
>>>close to same size).
>>
>> detector, I think, or maybe the cordless doorbell....r
>
> What were the large cylindrical ones, a bit bigger than a drink can, with
> brass screw terminals on top that were used for door chimes and school
> science experiments? Is that the No.6/R40/905 at the link below? I haven't
> seen one of those for years.
No idea. I know they were 1.5 volts, though. I know I had some as a
child, but I haven't thought of them in decades.
> I also remember a few large boxy types that were used in the days of
> portable valve radios. They might have been the PP series here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battery_sizes
> (But I thought some of them went up to higher voltages, maybe 45V or
> 90V? Ah, yes, here's one:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_(vacuum_tube) ).
a 510V drycell battery. The last one I bought, in the late 80s or early
90s, cost $35.
Robert Bannister
Feb 11, 2012, 7:14:30 PM2/11/12
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On 11/02/12 11:43 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote:
> In article<H6SdnQ6gVsa7f6jS...@westnet.com.au>,
> Peter Moylan<inv...@peter.pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>> Where we really need a new labelling system is for the little
>> button-shaped cells that fall through cracks in the floor while you're
>> trying to figure out how to open the battery compartment.
>
> In my experience, the CR2032 is by far the most common. Wikipedia
> tells me that the labeling system is already standardized in IEC
> 60086-3. That decodes as lithium (C), round (R), 20 mm diameter x 3.2
> mm thickness.
But why "C" for lithium?
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Robert Bannister
> In article<H6SdnQ6gVsa7f6jS...@westnet.com.au>,
> Peter Moylan<inv...@peter.pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>> Where we really need a new labelling system is for the little
>> button-shaped cells that fall through cracks in the floor while you're
>> trying to figure out how to open the battery compartment.
>
> In my experience, the CR2032 is by far the most common. Wikipedia
> tells me that the labeling system is already standardized in IEC
> 60086-3. That decodes as lithium (C), round (R), 20 mm diameter x 3.2
> mm thickness.
But why "C" for lithium?
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Robert Bannister
Robert Bannister
Feb 11, 2012, 7:15:32 PM2/11/12
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