Where is "Mamkwan Harbor" & why is it only related to the medal of honor?

[Chaya Eve]

Is there a real world reference to "Mamkwan Harbor" outside of a single
instance in history?

I ran into the term "Mamkwan Harbor" where, googling, I can't find any
mention of it outside of a reference to a medal of honor situation (USS
Barb, Commander Lucky Fluckey, etc.).

Why doesn't "Mamkwan Harbor" exist outside of this one instance?

Where is "Mamkwan Harbor" anyway?

[Peter Duncanson [BrE]]

That seems to be a name used by the US at that time for a place in
Nankuan Chiang in China.

The citation says:

Commander Fluckey, in an exceptional feat of brilliant deduction and
bold tracking on 23 January, located a concentration of more than 30
enemy ships in the lower reaches of Nankuan Chiang (Mamkwan Harbor).

More information here:
<http://www.getamap.net/maps/china/china_(general)/_nankuanchiang/>

Nan-kuan Chiang
27°9'25" N 120°26'31" E 22:52 (CST - UTC/GMT+8)

Nan-kuan Chiang (Nan-kuan Chiang) is a lake channel(s) (class H -
Hydrographic) in (China (general)), China (Asia) with the region
font code of Asia/Pacific.

Its coordinates are 27°9'25" N and 120°26'31" E in DMS (Degrees
Minutes Seconds) or 27.1569 and 120.442 (in decimal degrees). Its
UTM position is TL40 and its Joint Operation Graphics reference is
NG51-01.

Current local time is 22:52 **; the sun rises at 09:02 and sets at
21:10 local time (Asia/Shanghai UTC/GMT+8). The standard time zone
for Nan-kuan Chiang is UTC/GMT+8
In 2017 DST starts on - and ends on -.

A Lake channel(s) is that part of a lake having water deep enough
for navigation between islands, shoals, etc..

** 15:52 British Summer time.

That page also has weather forecasts for the location from today
(Tuesday) until (including) Sunday.

Location information with Google Earth view of the place:
http://www.geody.com/geospot.php?world=terra&ufi=-1924177&alc=shc


--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Tuesday, July 25, 2017 at 11:05:20 AM UTC-4, PeterWD wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 13:56:28 +0000 (UTC), Chaya Eve
> <ashken...@ashkenazieve.com> wrote:

> >Is there a real world reference to "Mamkwan Harbor" outside of a single
> >instance in history?
> >I ran into the term "Mamkwan Harbor" where, googling, I can't find any
> >mention of it outside of a reference to a medal of honor situation (USS
> >Barb, Commander Lucky Fluckey, etc.).
> >Why doesn't "Mamkwan Harbor" exist outside of this one instance?
> >Where is "Mamkwan Harbor" anyway?
>
> That seems to be a name used by the US at that time for a place in
> Nankuan Chiang in China.
>
> The citation says:
>
> Commander Fluckey, in an exceptional feat of brilliant deduction and
> bold tracking on 23 January, located a concentration of more than 30
> enemy ships in the lower reaches of Nankuan Chiang (Mamkwan Harbor).
>
> More information here:
> <http://www.getamap.net/maps/china/china_(general)/_nankuanchiang/>
>
> Nan-kuan Chiang
> 27°9'25" N 120°26'31" E 22:52 (CST - UTC/GMT+8)
>
> Nan-kuan Chiang (Nan-kuan Chiang)

That format indicates that the Wade-Giles and the pinyin transcriptions are the
same (compare Peking and Beijing -- same name) while Mamkwan could represent a
local pronunciation of the same name, or a different name (compare Peiping, a
former name for Beijing). Or it might have been a mistake.

[Peter Duncanson [BrE]]

There may be a mistake in the Citation. The Wikiparticle on the
submarine commanded by Fluckey has a different spelling: "Namkwan",
which may in turn be a mistake for "Nan-kuan":
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Barb_(SS-220)#Pacific_Theater_-_Sixth_through_thirteenth_patrols>

-> On 22–23 January Barb penetrated Namkwan Harbor on the China coast,
opposite the Matsu Islands, and wrought havoc upon a convoy of some
30 enemy ships at anchor. Maneuvering in dangerously shallow waters,
Barb launched her torpedoes into the enemy group and then retired at
high speed on the surface in a full hour’s run through uncharted,
heavily mined, and rock-obstructed waters. In recognition of this
outstanding patrol, Commander Fluckey was awarded the Medal of Honor
and Barb received the Presidential Unit Citation.

>
>> is a lake channel(s) (class H -
>> Hydrographic) in (China (general)), China (Asia) with the region
>> font code of Asia/Pacific.
>>
>> Its coordinates are 27°9'25" N and 120°26'31" E in DMS (Degrees
>> Minutes Seconds) or 27.1569 and 120.442 (in decimal degrees). Its
>> UTM position is TL40 and its Joint Operation Graphics reference is
>> NG51-01.
>>
>> Current local time is 22:52 **; the sun rises at 09:02 and sets at
>> 21:10 local time (Asia/Shanghai UTC/GMT+8). The standard time zone
>> for Nan-kuan Chiang is UTC/GMT+8
>> In 2017 DST starts on - and ends on -.
>>
>> A Lake channel(s) is that part of a lake having water deep enough
>> for navigation between islands, shoals, etc..
>>
>> ** 15:52 British Summer time.
>>
>> That page also has weather forecasts for the location from today
>> (Tuesday) until (including) Sunday.
>>
>> Location information with Google Earth view of the place:
>> http://www.geody.com/geospot.php?world=terra&ufi=-1924177&alc=shc

[Lewis]

In message <ol7imb$aur$1...@gioia.aioe.org> Chaya Eve <ashken...@ashkenazieve.com> wrote:
> Where is "Mamkwan Harbor" anyway?

Nankuan Chiang, China

--
Everything that was magical was just a way of describing the world in
words it couldn't ignore.

[CDB]

On 7/25/2017 11:40 AM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

If it's the word for "River", "Chiang" is spelled "Jiang" in pinyin, so
that's Wade-Giles. "Peiping" (better WG "Peip'ing"; pinyin "Beiping")
is not a regional variation of "Peking" or "Beijing" (Northern Capital)
but a renaming: Northern Peace. Dunno about "Mamkuan". All v. confusing.

[Peter T. Daniels]

Then what's _your_ explanation for the duplication in the parentheses?

> "Peiping" (better WG "Peip'ing"; pinyin "Beiping")
> is not a regional variation of "Peking" or "Beijing" (Northern Capital)
> but a renaming: Northern Peace.

I.e., as I said, "a different name."

[CDB]

On 7/25/2017 5:24 PM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

You'll have to ask them. "Chiang" is not a possible syllable in pinyin
spelling. I have a C-E dictionary alphabetised in pinyin, and have
checked the entries for "qiang", which represents the sound of WG
"ch'iang"*; I didn't see any relevant entries.

*I think. I've never tried to use that transcription, but only remember
it from reading.

>> "Peiping" (better WG "Peip'ing"; pinyin "Beiping") is not a
>> regional variation of "Peking" or "Beijing" (Northern Capital) but
>> a renaming: Northern Peace.

> I.e., as I said, "a different name."

And you had a comma there too. My bad.

[...]

[Will Parsons]

Not necessarily Wade-Giles - Geographical names were often a in a
different system, e.g., "Peking" vs Wade-Giles "Pei-Ching".

I suspect there is at least one mistake, though: "Mamkwan" is
probably a mistake for "Namkwan", and the double form should proabably
be:
Nan-kuan Chiang (Nam-kuan Chiang)

(or possibly the reverse).

"nam" is the Southern form of "nan", meaning "South", and is, I think,
the "nam" in "Vietnam".

--
Will

[Wesley Sulek]

East of Shen'aobi, China; now known as Yanpu Bay.