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Dingbat
Mar 1, 2016, 6:33:13 PM3/1/16
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In the Broadway musical Camelot, the character Mordred has a song in which he describes "The Seven Deadly Virtues", which differ slightly from the historic list given above.
MORDRED:
The seven deadly virtues, those ghastly little traps
Oh no, my liege, they were not meant for me
Those seven deadly virtues were made for other chaps
Who love a life of failure and ennui
Take courage--now there's a sport
An invitation to the state of rigor mort
And purity--a noble yen
And very restful every now and then
I find humility means to be hurt
It's not the earth the meek inherit, it's the dirt
Honesty is fatal, it should be taboo
Diligence--a fate I would hate
If charity means giving, I give it to you
And fidelity is only for your mate
You'll never find a virtue unstatusing my quo or making my Beelzebubble burst
Let others take the high road, I will take the low
I cannot wait to rush in where angels fear to go
With all those seven deadly virtues free and happy little me has not been cursed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_virtues#Seven_deadly_virtues
If in a brave new USA, the voters were to no longer seek religiosity in a politician but seek virtue instead, what virtues should they seek, presuming that they don't want to be led by a clone of Edward the Confessor?
MORDRED:
The seven deadly virtues, those ghastly little traps
Oh no, my liege, they were not meant for me
Those seven deadly virtues were made for other chaps
Who love a life of failure and ennui
Take courage--now there's a sport
An invitation to the state of rigor mort
And purity--a noble yen
And very restful every now and then
I find humility means to be hurt
It's not the earth the meek inherit, it's the dirt
Honesty is fatal, it should be taboo
Diligence--a fate I would hate
If charity means giving, I give it to you
And fidelity is only for your mate
You'll never find a virtue unstatusing my quo or making my Beelzebubble burst
Let others take the high road, I will take the low
I cannot wait to rush in where angels fear to go
With all those seven deadly virtues free and happy little me has not been cursed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_virtues#Seven_deadly_virtues
If in a brave new USA, the voters were to no longer seek religiosity in a politician but seek virtue instead, what virtues should they seek, presuming that they don't want to be led by a clone of Edward the Confessor?
Peter T. Daniels
Mar 1, 2016, 10:39:18 PM3/1/16
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On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 6:33:13 PM UTC-5, Dingbat wrote:
> In the Broadway musical Camelot, the character Mordred has a song in which he describes "The Seven Deadly Virtues", which differ slightly from the historic list given above.
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> In the Broadway musical Camelot, the character Mordred has a song in which he describes "The Seven Deadly Virtues", which differ slightly from the historic list given above.
There are two groups within the Seven Cardinal Virtues:
Faith, Hope, and Charity (I Cor 13)
something, something, Prudence, and Temperance
Lerner's buzzwords below don't seem to relate particularly to the traditional list.
Dingbat
Mar 2, 2016, 9:25:58 AM3/2/16
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On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 9:09:18 AM UTC+5:30, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 6:33:13 PM UTC-5, Dingbat wrote:
> > In the Broadway musical Camelot, the character Mordred has a song in which he describes "The Seven Deadly Virtues", which differ slightly from the historic list given above.
>
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>
It is an excerpt from an email exchange which has an excerpt from the URL given in the OP. The so-called "above" (seven heavenly virtues) is in the text at that URL.
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 6:33:13 PM UTC-5, Dingbat wrote:
> > In the Broadway musical Camelot, the character Mordred has a song in which he describes "The Seven Deadly Virtues", which differ slightly from the historic list given above.
>
> ? This is the first message in a new thread.
>
Don Phillipson
Mar 2, 2016, 9:52:03 AM3/2/16
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> On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 6:33:13 PM UTC-5, Dingbat wrote:
>> In the Broadway musical Camelot, the character Mordred has a song
>> . . . "The Seven Deadly Virtues", which differ slightly from the
>> In the Broadway musical Camelot, the character Mordred has a song
>> historic list
"Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:8dc96b47-097d-4e4f...@googlegroups.com...
> There are two groups within the Seven Cardinal Virtues:
>
> Faith, Hope, and Charity (I Cor 13)
> something, something, Prudence, and Temperance
canon identified seven Deadly Sins and four Cardinal Virtues
(prudence, justice, temperance and fortitude/courage.) The
Pauline Epistles were less familiar in the Middle Ages; the
trio of faith, hope and charity got embedded in European
culture only later, when the Bibles were printed in English
and German (and read aloud in churches where attendance
was compulsory.)
The Camelot lyric is "trying to be clever," but (I think) fails of the
intended dramatic effect.
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)
Peter T. Daniels
Mar 2, 2016, 10:14:12 AM3/2/16
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On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 9:25:58 AM UTC-5, Dingbat wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 9:09:18 AM UTC+5:30, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 6:33:13 PM UTC-5, Dingbat wrote:
> > > In the Broadway musical Camelot, the character Mordred has a song in which he describes "The Seven Deadly Virtues", which differ slightly from the historic list given above.
> >
> > ? This is the first message in a new thread.
> >
> It is an excerpt from an email exchange which has an excerpt from the URL given in the OP. The so-called "above" (seven heavenly virtues) is in the text at that URL.
Since we are not privy to your emails, there is no "above" and
> On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 9:09:18 AM UTC+5:30, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 6:33:13 PM UTC-5, Dingbat wrote:
> > > In the Broadway musical Camelot, the character Mordred has a song in which he describes "The Seven Deadly Virtues", which differ slightly from the historic list given above.
> >
> > ? This is the first message in a new thread.
> >
> It is an excerpt from an email exchange which has an excerpt from the URL given in the OP. The so-called "above" (seven heavenly virtues) is in the text at that URL.
in particular there is no URL above.
Harrison Hill
Mar 2, 2016, 12:03:26 PM3/2/16
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On Wednesday, 2 March 2016 03:39:18 UTC, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 6:33:13 PM UTC-5, Dingbat wrote:
> > In the Broadway musical Camelot, the character Mordred has a song in which he describes "The Seven Deadly Virtues", which differ slightly from the historic list given above.
>
> ? This is the first message in a new thread.
>
> There are two groups within the Seven Cardinal Virtues:
>
> Faith, Hope, and Charity (I Cor 13)
> something, something, Prudence, and Temperance
Chastity must be in there. Not much chance of that :)
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 6:33:13 PM UTC-5, Dingbat wrote:
> > In the Broadway musical Camelot, the character Mordred has a song in which he describes "The Seven Deadly Virtues", which differ slightly from the historic list given above.
>
> ? This is the first message in a new thread.
>
> There are two groups within the Seven Cardinal Virtues:
>
> Faith, Hope, and Charity (I Cor 13)
> something, something, Prudence, and Temperance
Harrison Hill
Mar 2, 2016, 1:27:12 PM3/2/16
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On Wednesday, 2 March 2016 17:03:26 UTC, Harrison Hill wrote:
> On Wednesday, 2 March 2016 03:39:18 UTC, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 6:33:13 PM UTC-5, Dingbat wrote:
> > > In the Broadway musical Camelot, the character Mordred has a song in which he describes "The Seven Deadly Virtues", which differ slightly from the historic list given above.
> >
> > ? This is the first message in a new thread.
> >
> > There are two groups within the Seven Cardinal Virtues:
> >
> > Faith, Hope, and Charity (I Cor 13)
> > something, something, Prudence, and Temperance
>
> Chastity must be in there. Not much chance of that :)
Which is not a moral judg(e)ment. The book that was ever-present
> On Wednesday, 2 March 2016 03:39:18 UTC, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 6:33:13 PM UTC-5, Dingbat wrote:
> > > In the Broadway musical Camelot, the character Mordred has a song in which he describes "The Seven Deadly Virtues", which differ slightly from the historic list given above.
> >
> > ? This is the first message in a new thread.
> >
> > There are two groups within the Seven Cardinal Virtues:
> >
> > Faith, Hope, and Charity (I Cor 13)
> > something, something, Prudence, and Temperance
>
> Chastity must be in there. Not much chance of that :)
in my house was "The Pilgrim's Progess" by John Bunyan. I found
that extremely difficult. Milton's "Paradise Lost" and "Paradise
Regained", I waded through twice and found some nice bits in it.
Anybody have any good quotes? I know I have some excellent
ones :)
Whoever would have imagined (then) that William Blake would be
the predominant poet to be remembered (now) :)
Harrison Hill
Mar 2, 2016, 1:33:18 PM3/2/16
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Peter T. Daniels
Mar 2, 2016, 2:10:15 PM3/2/16
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On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 12:03:26 PM UTC-5, Harrison Hill wrote:
> On Wednesday, 2 March 2016 03:39:18 UTC, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > There are two groups within the Seven Cardinal Virtues:
> >
> > Faith, Hope, and Charity (I Cor 13)
> > something, something, Prudence, and Temperance
>
> Chastity must be in there. Not much chance of that :)
Nope -- Don filled out the list: prudence, justice, temperance and fortitude.
> On Wednesday, 2 March 2016 03:39:18 UTC, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > There are two groups within the Seven Cardinal Virtues:
> >
> > Faith, Hope, and Charity (I Cor 13)
> > something, something, Prudence, and Temperance
>
> Chastity must be in there. Not much chance of that :)
New York's Mayor LaGuardia (during the Depression) named the stone lions
outside the New York Public Library "Patience" and "Fortitude." (Despite
his name he was half-Jewish and a practicing Episcopalian.)
Chastity is a special gift assumed by the clergy, not a general virtue
enjoined on all Christians. Or is that celibacy. (Discuss.)
Katy Jennison
Mar 2, 2016, 5:01:37 PM3/2/16
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Fortitude by Botticelli and the other six by Piero del Polaiolo.
Fortitude, it seemed to me when I saw the painting twenty years ago, was
carrying a Stillson wrench, but looking at a photo today it doesn't look
as much like one as I'd remembered, disappointingly.
--
Katy Jennison
Jerry Friedman
Mar 2, 2016, 6:25:52 PM3/2/16
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On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 7:52:03 AM UTC-7, Don Phillipson wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 6:33:13 PM UTC-5, Dingbat wrote:
> >> In the Broadway musical Camelot, the character Mordred has a song
> >> . . . "The Seven Deadly Virtues", which differ slightly from the
> >> historic list
>
> "Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:8dc96b47-097d-4e4f...@googlegroups.com...
>
> > There are two groups within the Seven Cardinal Virtues:
> >
> > Faith, Hope, and Charity (I Cor 13)
> > something, something, Prudence, and Temperance
>
> All three citations here may be wrong. The classic (mediaeval)
> canon identified seven Deadly Sins and four Cardinal Virtues
> (prudence, justice, temperance and fortitude/courage.)
Wisdom of Solomon 8:7, from a Roman Catholic site:
> > On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 6:33:13 PM UTC-5, Dingbat wrote:
> >> In the Broadway musical Camelot, the character Mordred has a song
> >> . . . "The Seven Deadly Virtues", which differ slightly from the
> >> historic list
>
> "Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:8dc96b47-097d-4e4f...@googlegroups.com...
>
> > There are two groups within the Seven Cardinal Virtues:
> >
> > Faith, Hope, and Charity (I Cor 13)
> > something, something, Prudence, and Temperance
>
> All three citations here may be wrong. The classic (mediaeval)
> canon identified seven Deadly Sins and four Cardinal Virtues
> (prudence, justice, temperance and fortitude/courage.)
"Or if one loves righteousness,
whose works are virtues,
She teaches moderation and prudence,
righteousness and fortitude,*
and nothing in life is more useful than these."
The note says the list is from Plato.
http://www.usccb.org/bible/wisdom/8
> The
> Pauline Epistles were less familiar in the Middle Ages; the
> trio of faith, hope and charity got embedded in European
> culture only later, when the Bibles were printed in English
> and German (and read aloud in churches where attendance
> was compulsory.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_virtues
the following list of seven heavenly virtues appeared in /Psychomachia/,
by Aurelius Clemens Prudentius, which attained "enormous popularity in
the Middle Ages".
Chastity
Temperance
Charity
Diligence
Patience
Kindness
Humility
Those are supposed to be the opposites of the seven deadly sins.
I know nothing about the popularity of various Christian books in
the Middle Ages.
> The Camelot lyric is "trying to be clever," but (I think) fails of the
> intended dramatic effect.
The presence of the whole lyric at Wikipedia is a violation of
Wikipedia policy. I might actually do something about it.
--
Jerry Friedman
Peter Moylan
Mar 3, 2016, 10:40:16 PM3/3/16
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On 2016-Mar-02 10:33, Dingbat wrote:
> If in a brave new USA, the voters were to no longer seek religiosity
> in a politician but seek virtue instead, what virtues should they
> seek, presuming that they don't want to be led by a clone of Edward
> the Confessor?
Bigotry, greed, intolerance, ignorance, lying, hypocrisy .... I could
> If in a brave new USA, the voters were to no longer seek religiosity
> in a politician but seek virtue instead, what virtues should they
> seek, presuming that they don't want to be led by a clone of Edward
> the Confessor?
probably think of a seventh virtue if I took greater notice of the
presidential candidates, and what the voters admire in them.
--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia
Lewis
Mar 3, 2016, 11:39:46 PM3/3/16
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In message <nbavt5$a5d$1...@dont-email.me>
--
people didn't seem to be able to remember what it was like with the
elves around. Life was certainly more interesting then, but usually
because it was shorter. And it was more colourful, if you liked the
colour of blood. --Lords and Ladies
Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
> On 2016-Mar-02 10:33, Dingbat wrote:
>> If in a brave new USA, the voters were to no longer seek religiosity
>> in a politician but seek virtue instead, what virtues should they
>> seek, presuming that they don't want to be led by a clone of Edward
>> the Confessor?
> Bigotry, greed, intolerance, ignorance, lying, hypocrisy .... I could
> probably think of a seventh virtue if I took greater notice of the
> presidential candidates, and what the voters admire in them.
Spray tan?
> On 2016-Mar-02 10:33, Dingbat wrote:
>> If in a brave new USA, the voters were to no longer seek religiosity
>> in a politician but seek virtue instead, what virtues should they
>> seek, presuming that they don't want to be led by a clone of Edward
>> the Confessor?
> Bigotry, greed, intolerance, ignorance, lying, hypocrisy .... I could
> probably think of a seventh virtue if I took greater notice of the
> presidential candidates, and what the voters admire in them.
--
people didn't seem to be able to remember what it was like with the
elves around. Life was certainly more interesting then, but usually
because it was shorter. And it was more colourful, if you liked the
colour of blood. --Lords and Ladies
Jerry Friedman
Mar 4, 2016, 3:53:48 PM3/4/16
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On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 9:39:46 PM UTC-7, Lewis wrote:
> In message <nbavt5$a5d$1...@dont-email.me>
> Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
> > On 2016-Mar-02 10:33, Dingbat wrote:
>
> >> If in a brave new USA, the voters were to no longer seek religiosity
> >> in a politician but seek virtue instead, what virtues should they
> >> seek, presuming that they don't want to be led by a clone of Edward
> >> the Confessor?
>
> > Bigotry, greed, intolerance, ignorance, lying, hypocrisy .... I could
> > probably think of a seventh virtue if I took greater notice of the
> > presidential candidates, and what the voters admire in them.
>
> Spray tan?
:-)
> In message <nbavt5$a5d$1...@dont-email.me>
> Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
> > On 2016-Mar-02 10:33, Dingbat wrote:
>
> >> If in a brave new USA, the voters were to no longer seek religiosity
> >> in a politician but seek virtue instead, what virtues should they
> >> seek, presuming that they don't want to be led by a clone of Edward
> >> the Confessor?
>
> > Bigotry, greed, intolerance, ignorance, lying, hypocrisy .... I could
> > probably think of a seventh virtue if I took greater notice of the
> > presidential candidates, and what the voters admire in them.
>
> Spray tan?
--
Jerry Friedman
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